TPI TO CARBURETOR SWAP 2023- How to convert your C4 Corvette to carburetor guide

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Illegal C4

Жыл бұрын

THE ONLY VIDEO ON KZfaq THAT SHOWS HOW TO COVERT YOUR TPI TO CARB START TO FINISH ON YOTUBE
This parts list is to serve as a guide for your TPI Corvette and is not a guaranteed 100% direct fit. Some parts on here serve as a the general idea of what you need. Most parts may be available in an auto store near you. I recommend going in store and seeing it in person to verify its what you need.
I am currently unable to post clickable links in my description. The links posted below have the removed but they should work.
Carburetor & Intake Kit:
summitracing.com/parts/SUM-359-160
Holley FRP:
summitracing.com/parts/HLY-12-881
3/8 Barbed NPT Fittings:
summitracing.com/parts/MOR-65380
160 Degree Tstat (recommend 180):
summitracing.com/parts/SUM-359-160
2in Air Cleaner:
summitracing.com/parts/SUM-239422
Spectre Throttle Return Bracket:
hautozone.com/fuel-systems/chrome-return-spring-bracket/p/spectre-throttle-return-bracket/228325_0_0
Dorman Throttle Springs:
autozone.com/interior/universal-spring/p/dorman-help-throttle-return-spring-assortment-5-pack/721001_0_0
Ebay 3 inch Exhaust Pipe kit:
ebay.com/itm/374142669480

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@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Feel free to ask anything. Any questions, more pictures, advice, post it below!
@shanemcclaran3012
@shanemcclaran3012 11 ай бұрын
Is the manual transmission in your car the Doug nash
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
@@shanemcclaran3012 yes, 4+3. Not a bad trans at all however my OD is not turning on at the moment.
@bryanpozo1763
@bryanpozo1763 11 ай бұрын
My dad recently converted his 87 to a carb setup like yours. It turns on and runs if I hold the gas pedal but keeps turning off. Any advice to help it stay running? His set up is almost the same as your except we don’t have the throttle springs but will get it tomorrow.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
@@bryanpozo1763 Try to make sure the following is correct: firing order, no vacuum leaks, 7psi of gas to carb, choke may be stuck on or off, make sure the plugs are decent.. If all of those are correct, you may want to troubleshoot the carburetor to make sure it’s not dumping gas or something similar. For that I recommend searching your problem on KZfaq/google.
@kami0712uwurawrxdowo42069
@kami0712uwurawrxdowo42069 4 ай бұрын
😢 the links in the description dont work
@Easterhands
@Easterhands 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. Corvette owners LOVE talking outta their asses on forums, good information is so hard to come by.
@shanemcclaran3012
@shanemcclaran3012 11 ай бұрын
All that you did to your corvette also can be applied to many other chevy engines all your information is spot on for the list of parts needed. It's probably way more fun to drive now and dependable and can easily handle those long daily commutes to and from work. I know for a fact. I did this to a 99 vortec 350 and dropped it in my 86 gbody and I commute over 50 miles a day for over a year now with no issues. Great source of information for anyone thinking of doing this to their ride
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
Yes indeed! The swap is practically 99% the same for any other small block chevy made. I tried to mainly cover the info that's not as clear on the internet and make sure the rookies like myself know what to do. For instance, the electric fuel pump, the ignition system, deleting all of the emissions equipment, etc. When I first bought this thing I knew absolutely nothing compared to what I know now. The only thing I wish I would have done differently was buy the an air gap intake instead of the 2101 as it's not the best performance intake. It gets the job done especially for stock application so I can't complain.
@shawnp001
@shawnp001 9 ай бұрын
I have been wondering how to go about doing this with my C4, there is just so much crap on the motor , every motor I have ever rebuilt had a carb on it and when I started on this one I was blown away by how much smog and bs is on the engine, ty so much for this video it sure helps a lot.
@arnulfob3454
@arnulfob3454 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info hope it's still running good !
@redscorpionairgunner525
@redscorpionairgunner525 10 ай бұрын
very nice truly enjoyed
@VisibletoanyoneonYoutube1
@VisibletoanyoneonYoutube1 Жыл бұрын
Plan on switching my Camaros TPI to carb! Thanks man!
@solo_dolo6553
@solo_dolo6553 Жыл бұрын
Keep up the content
@terryatpi
@terryatpi 8 ай бұрын
Great video. Been thinking about a t bucket and the wiring nightmare. Thanks man !
@motodon5686
@motodon5686 6 ай бұрын
Great video and information
@LP-mc6ix
@LP-mc6ix 9 ай бұрын
I'm using an l98 in the entire running gear including wheels suspension and Flowmasters from a 90 Corvette into my project truck. The intent was to run fully computerized injection. So it has a ECM that's been modified to delete all of the things like anti-theft etcetera. My plan is to switch to carburetion so I can get this forever project on the road. So it seems logical that all I have to do is get a distributor and a fuel regulator. Have the exact same manifold that you do and my intent was to run an avs2 so there's that coincidence. I was worried about the original electric tank pump but it seems like this is the singular most useful thing at about your video. Well done lots of still pictures and not a lot of wasted time talking I appreciate it
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 8 ай бұрын
Even if the oem fuel pump died or wasn’t functioning properly, its so easy to add an inline fuel pump.
@rhubarb99999
@rhubarb99999 7 ай бұрын
Good info. I am thinking of pulling the L98 and 700R4 from my 89 Vette to put into my 80 Trans Am. A carb conversion would be a must.
@thaddeauscaldwell7101
@thaddeauscaldwell7101 8 ай бұрын
Awesome video and great content. I'm planning on putting a dual carb tunnel ram set up on my ' 90 Convertible . I have the tunnel ram and the HEI distributor. . And honestly, i don't care what the haters have to say about it . I can hear the haters crying about it now . A friend of mine , put a dual carb tunnel ram set up on his C4 , without any issues. I subscribed after watching this video .
@murdyg7382
@murdyg7382 Жыл бұрын
I picked up a l98 out of a rear ended corvette. The engine was already out the car when I purchased it and wasn’t able to hear it run. But for $500 dollars I rolled the dice. Got it home slapped on a high rise intake, 650 carb and a HEI distributor and it fired right up. Awesome throttle response. And I will never ever ever have to worry about injectors and all the unnecessary wires. I’m stuffing it in a 82 s10 I picked up for $500 bucks as well😂🤘🏼
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah that's awesome. Do you know if its a flat tappet cam or roller cam?
@murdyg7382
@murdyg7382 Жыл бұрын
@@IllegalC4 I have no clue. I can tell you it was in a 1989 corvette. Idk if that helps
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
@@murdyg7382 I believe that's a hydraulic roller block, which is great. The hydraulic roller cam is far more superior than the hydraulic flat tappet.They have less wear, keep the valves open longer, and run smoother overall. They are very expensive but they're worth it.
@jerker241
@jerker241 Жыл бұрын
Best video I could find thanks only difference is I have a Holley carb gonna install this weekend
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah that's awesome. Just reference the manual for what ports are what and you're good to go.
@bluesxt
@bluesxt Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this video! Seems like a great solution to get some more top end from these l98’s. Probably not a bad idea to throw a cam in it as well
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the support! Carb swap is definitely a great way to remedy the smog design of the L98 as carbs with certain intakes will increase power & tq tremendously. You can add a cam as well however it's tough as you have to lift the engine out and or dismantle a lot of the front end to the the job. Even then, the stock heads are only good for around .500 lift and the stock valve springs can't handle a lot of RPM effectively. I recently pulled my motor so I'm doing everything top to bottom.
@davewalters6348
@davewalters6348 7 ай бұрын
Great video. I just did this same swap on a 1990 suburban 350 efi for all the same reasons you mentioned I used pretty much the same items you did. There were some things different however. I couldn't figure out how to get the fuel pump to keep pumping after the initial startup. So I simply bypassed the factory fuel pump regulator on the firewall. There was a factory installed wire for this already there so I hooked it up to the tach side of the HEI.
@davewalters6348
@davewalters6348 7 ай бұрын
I have a turbo 400 so no transmission mods required. I installed a completely different dash asy so all the gages are digital including the satellite controlled speedo. Never been happier as throttle response is waaaay better. Milage seems slightly better as well. Have to do more tests to see how much better, but the gas gage does move slower. lol
@kenfong6373
@kenfong6373 Ай бұрын
the only problem they always face on a C4 carb swap is the hood there simply isnt enough clearance for the aircleaner most guys run the buick snorkle to remote filter but theres barely any room
@sethanderson6031
@sethanderson6031 Жыл бұрын
I just got a carb and intake to convert my crossfire c4 tonight lmao. This was a very helpful video thank you sm
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah man that’s awesome! Post videos when it’s up id love to see it.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Make sure you get all of the nickel and dime items such as fittings,hoses, and plugs. You’ll need 10 feet of 3/8 hose, four 3/8 npt barbed fittings, a fuel pressure regulator with return, etc.
@jimmybags1494
@jimmybags1494 Жыл бұрын
Make a video like this one! I plan on doing the same to my crossfire and there is so much conflicting info on the godforsaken corvette forums
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
@@jimmybags1494 yeah it’s tough. The forums have a bunch of People who have no idea what they’re talking about and often input their personal bias into their “advice”. Generally speaking, these are simple cars and not complex.
@glennspears839
@glennspears839 9 ай бұрын
I did a1991 Corvette. Easy Peasy. I bought it for $950. New tires & transmission. Beautiful black interior. The previous owner had it in four shops. They couldn't fix it. Smoked, fouled out the spark plugs drank gas...... He put everything new in it. Everything.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 8 ай бұрын
Awesome man. Take car of it and these things will last a life time.
@glennspears839
@glennspears839 8 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4 ....I have a beautiful '94 & an '06. The wife drives the C6.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 8 ай бұрын
@@glennspears839 Awesome man. I love the C6. Its really the C4/C5 put together. Love the LS2 in it as well.
@ben512v
@ben512v 3 ай бұрын
great video just found it want to do mine now ....
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 3 ай бұрын
Glad I was able to help!
@Stephen-wh7vl
@Stephen-wh7vl 5 ай бұрын
Love this, I mean really fucking love this. Nice job
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 5 ай бұрын
Thank you 👍🏼
@MJM442
@MJM442 11 ай бұрын
Hello and thanks for the time spent on video. I'm doing engine swap on my 86 vert. using a Blueprint 396 stroked sb350 (Engine dyno 508hp/ 525 torq) Can't wait to get it doneand driving. I am trying to figure out what to do with the injector harnesses, does anyone know if they can be "unplugged" anywhere? I've leaving the brain box in place. Thanks again!
@Trebor-gw8lt
@Trebor-gw8lt 8 ай бұрын
Good call on getting rid of that money pit TPI. I don’t care for them because they run out of breath at 4000 rpm and chip burning is a lost art in 2023. Carb swap makes better sense if you actually plan on driving the car.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 8 ай бұрын
Exactly. I can't have a corvette that revs to 4500rpm and makes maybe 200whp on a good day. Chip burning no thank you and obsolete decrepit 1980s fuel injection no thank you
@solo_dolo6553
@solo_dolo6553 Жыл бұрын
Yo perfect vid!!! Gonna convert my crossfire to carb.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah man. Anything you need, let me know. Time to cleanse the L83 of that cease fire injection lol
@solo_dolo6553
@solo_dolo6553 Жыл бұрын
@@IllegalC4 what is your insta
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
@@solo_dolo6553 I only have a personal one at the moment. So for now, I don’t have one.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
@@solo_dolo6553 Just made an IG. @Illegal_C4
@chriskunesh2531
@chriskunesh2531 11 ай бұрын
Great Job Man!Doing this as we speak.What did you do with you heater hoses?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
I threw out practically everything. You can cover up the heater core inlet/outlet and then put a threaded plug in the water pump.
@mikeydejon2148
@mikeydejon2148 8 ай бұрын
How do you like the edlebrock ?
@sk8trboi935
@sk8trboi935 8 ай бұрын
Gonna carb an 87 L98 that came out of a corvette and gonna put in an 87 Monte Carlo.
@jaydonfizer579
@jaydonfizer579 Жыл бұрын
Love the video! The only question I have is what the real power difference was in the end, did it pick up power or stay relatively the same?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Hard to say because I never drove it with the TPI. What I can tell you is that the Dual Plane performer still generates decent mid range torque and still builds power to 5500+ rpm. Richard Holdener has a few videos on TPI vs Carb and the dyno chart shows everything. Overall, I'm happy. It's super easy to work on the engine now and ultimately can be customized more to specific wants and needs.
@jefferykoegel8942
@jefferykoegel8942 8 ай бұрын
Hey, im doing a similar swap. What did you do for the upper radiator hose. Do u know the part number? As well as temperature sensors for the fan switch. Thank you
@garyw9108
@garyw9108 Жыл бұрын
Very informative. I like your take on how it's your car, and it's your money so it's your business. Lots of people out there do try to push you away from carburetors, and it's ashame. I still prefer a carb over EFI any day.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Both are EFI & Carb are capable of producing a lot of power and being reliable but it’s all to each persons set of goals.
@allislandk9services
@allislandk9services 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great video just wondering does the dashboard cluster still work after go to carburetor . Or do have to change the all the gauges
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 10 ай бұрын
Everything is fine except the fuel related info.
@entitykeeper8869
@entitykeeper8869 27 күн бұрын
Which coolant hose did you install?
@ejacks3871
@ejacks3871 Жыл бұрын
I love how much cleaner the engine bay looks.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
And it's only going to get cleaner too once I get a couple new things.
@C4VETTELT1
@C4VETTELT1 Жыл бұрын
That engine bay does not look cleaner than the TPI set up!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ejacks3871
@ejacks3871 Жыл бұрын
@@C4VETTELT1 Definitely cleaner than my crossfire. No smog garbage, no AC. You can actually see the engine.
@C4VETTELT1
@C4VETTELT1 Жыл бұрын
@E Jacks definitely cleaner than the crossfire!! But this one in question looks more packed with crap than my factory LT1 C4!! But the LT1 is a very clean looking setup straight from the factory.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
@@C4VETTELT1 The only extra crap in my case is the AC delete pulley and Smog delete pulley. Eventually I'm gonna run a super small belt only for alternator and power steering pump. I also have not yet removed the AC box which is where I'm going to mount the FPR permanently. It is still way less cramped than any of the factory fuel injection options. It took me 3 hours to remove both heads from the motor by myself.
@earnestmerida
@earnestmerida Ай бұрын
What is your opinion on adding a Holley sniper system? 85 base model, pretty much bone stock
@brysonpierce2891
@brysonpierce2891 7 ай бұрын
I’m having a hard time on my 88 l98 with aluminum heads(factory) the problem I’m running into is my 2 center bolts for my intake are at a slight angle. I know the Vortec heads have this issue as well now. Can I take the intake style for the Vortec and put it on my l98 without any troubles. It’s going on a 1984 Gmc. I have a old school pro comp high rise on it and want to go to a mid rise dual plane intake but I’m running into the boot angle problems. Any help would be awesome thanks.
@keros4525
@keros4525 Ай бұрын
Thanks bro my iroc keeps shutting off while revving but it can idle beautifully for hours but it acts up so carb it is
@deventingle7320
@deventingle7320 7 ай бұрын
So you used a 2021 intake?
@ben512v
@ben512v 3 ай бұрын
hey was wondering how to hook uo a manual oil gauge i think i got the coolant and volts understood just the oil need figured out in my head
@jesseflores7790
@jesseflores7790 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great video!! Answers a lot of my questions and concerns.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah I'm glad to hear that. If anything arises in the future, feel free to ask here.
@joeshotdiggitydogs8865
@joeshotdiggitydogs8865 7 ай бұрын
I did a carb swap on my 84 vette. Ie cross fire. It was much better
@julzam9660
@julzam9660 14 күн бұрын
Ty, son.
@glengerdes4158
@glengerdes4158 6 ай бұрын
How about a lt-1 conversation? To get rid of the opti spark!
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 6 ай бұрын
If you're only looking to get rid of the opti spark, there's plenty of videos out there for the conversion.
@solo_dolo6553
@solo_dolo6553 Жыл бұрын
I read that these carbs have a fuel starvation issue in hard turns. Has it happened to you? 8128 is the part number for the dual feed fuel line to keep both bowls full during sharp turns.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
I haven’t beaten on it yet but I could see that as a possibility. I don’t plan on driving the car like a madman much so it’s not a concern of mine.
@JESSE__OWENS
@JESSE__OWENS 3 ай бұрын
I think i heard you say you used the restrictions on the back of the intake? Or did you just leave them open? Plus, there's a lot of haters on here. The vette im working on now caught on fire from leaky injectors. Never a fire for me with a carb. But most people are right on here... hook hose fom pcv valve to front of carb. 3/8 hose
@Imagine_TV
@Imagine_TV 4 ай бұрын
I am in California and I need all the original TPI parts so it can pass smog someone did this to the Corvette I just got but it's missing stuff will still run but like a dog watching this hoping I can reverse everything lol
@lewinsmodelspeedshop
@lewinsmodelspeedshop Жыл бұрын
Mine is a 91 i would like to do it.
@Keeterbob
@Keeterbob 4 ай бұрын
I have an 88 Camaro TPI. I pulled the 305 and I’m going to put a 350 carbed engine in. I left all wiring intact. What wires will I need other the coil from ignition? I want to use original oil psi gauge and temp gauge. After adjust TV cable. Will trans still shift normal? What other wiring do I need to do?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 4 ай бұрын
Everything should hook up relatively the same, these motors are extremely universal. I can't tell you much about the shift cable as I have no experience with them. There should be plenty of videos explaining how to adjust it correctly though.
@berto__215
@berto__215 Жыл бұрын
Just did this to my 86 iroc z that has a zz4 350 crate motor sat for 20 years the tpi was a headache to work on so i switched to a carb
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
That's awesome. I feel your pain. My tune port was so old and deteriorated. When I was taking it apart I knew that this junk could not go back on. If it were an LT1 I would have probably kept it since it's not a bad setup.
@mikemaifeld6280
@mikemaifeld6280 11 ай бұрын
Will it haul Butt now ?
@ojhernandez2627
@ojhernandez2627 3 ай бұрын
What about coil /distributor wiring?
@rustywranglesarizona4310
@rustywranglesarizona4310 8 ай бұрын
How did you get around the engine warn lamp triping with no EGR etc ? I'm right in the middle of comp engine rebuild on my 91 c4. I like the carb look and idea. Also did the mpg change much ? Thanks new subscriber
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 8 ай бұрын
My warning light screen was broken so Im sure all the lights in the world were on. MPG was absolutely terrible sitting at 8-10 city with the tune it had. Probably could have gotten more but the heads Died after 2 weeks
@rustywranglesarizona4310
@rustywranglesarizona4310 8 ай бұрын
@IllegalC4 thanks Shame it died, town mpg was the same as my Hummer then lol. Maybe I'll have to stick with my TPI Cheers Rusty
@masethebass7895
@masethebass7895 10 ай бұрын
I’m currently swapping an 85 L98 into my 84. I’m gonna order the kit you ordered and an hei distributor. I need to know how to set the TV cable
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 10 ай бұрын
I unfortunately don't know as I don't have experience with automatics. Your best bet is to search on KZfaq how to set a TV cable and you should be good from there.
@Luke_735
@Luke_735 11 ай бұрын
How does the removal of the sensors you mentioned affect your gauge function on your dash? What about the OD engagement on your 4+3?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 10 ай бұрын
The only gauges that really get wiggy are all of the fuel related gauges. Since there's no more fuel injectors, the ECU has no idea how much gas the engine is getting. Also, the fuel gauge may get weird as the fuel pressure regulator may inhibit the fuel pressure sensor to give higher readings. My c4 fuel gauge is basically useless.
@TheJMan1K
@TheJMan1K 2 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4what would be the solution to that?
@martinparrish9532
@martinparrish9532 9 ай бұрын
Did you ditch the ecm? I would like to keep cruise control. does your cruise still work?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 8 ай бұрын
I still have the stock computer. I did not hook my cruise control cable up to my carb so I cannot say if it works however there's no reason it wouldn't. I'm not sure how great it would work though
@kristythompson9421
@kristythompson9421 Жыл бұрын
Need to know if there is a regulator on the return fuel line? Thanks
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
I believe the return line goes directly back to the tank with nothing between it.
@LaneTactical
@LaneTactical 10 ай бұрын
Wondering what distributor you used? What wires you were able to eliminate and how
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 10 ай бұрын
It's a basic GM HEI distributor I got off my friend from another car. It was a direct plug n play setup.
@entitykeeper8869
@entitykeeper8869 7 ай бұрын
You're carb and intake kit numbers is the same as the thermostat. Could you fix that part number?
@Dannymclovin
@Dannymclovin 2 ай бұрын
Love the carburetor, took the efi off my ls swap since it was the only way i could afford to run boost, pretty much all my projects have been carb ever since , great video man but how are the pipes already going out on you? Im running a cheaper ebay builder kit and its holding up my heavy ass gt45 turbo just fine its been supporting the weight for the past year now without issue but i agree on the carb swap people really trash carburetors but they really are easier to work on
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 2 ай бұрын
The pipes shit the bed. I believe they aren’t aluminized or something so they instantly rusted on me. We’ll see what happens when I drop the motor back im. Worst case, the bends are super easy to replicate so I’ll redo them later.
@Dannymclovin
@Dannymclovin 2 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4 ahh damn that’s crazy man i got no hood and they a bit surface rust but still build boost i leak tested it and still holding up try the cheaper ebay builders kit you might get lucky ive used em on a lot of builds
@sportsmansparadice42
@sportsmansparadice42 Жыл бұрын
Hey what's the part number for that upper radiator hose? I could see it on the actual hose, but it was not very clear. Thanks.
@xravenhairsexgod
@xravenhairsexgod Жыл бұрын
Gates 22253
@DavidEinhaus-nr7ub
@DavidEinhaus-nr7ub 6 ай бұрын
I also have an 86 Manual trans that was my grandfathers. unfortunately the motor has expired and do not wanna reinstall all the tpi stuff like you. I have a 350 with aluminum heads being built and am switching to a carb everything you posted is what I’ve also seen on some forums about using stock pump and a regulator and hei distributor. My question is what did you do with the wiring harness with everything that’s not being used anymore? Just cut it all out? Thanks for any help
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 6 ай бұрын
I zip tied everything and stashed it out of the way. Will end up removing the harness at a later date.
@DavidEinhaus-nr7ub
@DavidEinhaus-nr7ub 6 ай бұрын
@IllegalC4 10/4 thanks
@glennspears839
@glennspears839 9 ай бұрын
I put a carburetor on it. Problem solved.
@athosndl
@athosndl 7 ай бұрын
Hello from Romania 🇷🇴 This is my story, maybe you can help with more information about what i whant to do with my 1993 LT1 ! Long story short, i have a small colecțion of american cars, i love them ! I have a 1993 5.7 LT1 Camaro, a 1997 3.8 Camaro, a 2002 3.8 Pontiac Firebird, and a 2001 Cadillac Deville DTS 4.6 V8, the one with night vision and head up display! If could i would get them all ! 😅 Now, i whant to carb swap my 1993 LT1 Camaro because of the Optispark. I allready have the motor out, transmission, i wil get the rear end out when the engine will be done. I got it out because i will swap it on the 3.8, because that one has romanian papers and can be driven. So, i did my research about this swap on the internet but some swaps get to 4000$, thats alot in romanian money plus shipping. This is a budget build, and what i whant to do with this engine is like this ! Gm performance carbureted intake GMP intake, that has a long part number, a hei distribuitor, wires and spark plugs. And some ground wires dont know how many yet, but thats why i am writing heare. Then i need a water pump, radiator, starter, alternator. Other then that ? I have found what manual valve body i need for the transmission, i think it's a 700r, it has that tv cable and 16 bolt patern of the oil pan. Is a 650 cfm carb good as size ? What kind of carb ? Do i need a coil beside the hei distribuitor to start the car ? What fuel presure regulator should i use ? What aftermarket gauges i need to use for the spedometer, rpm, oil and water temperature ? If you can help me with other information about this swap that i whant to do i would apreciate ! If you have Facebook or Instagram we can speak there more easy ! If not its ok heare to ! GOD BLESS ✝️
@Djpip850
@Djpip850 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff man!!! Does all of your gauges still work?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
All stock gauges work perfect. Fuel gauge is always trippin though with the fuel pressure regulator and lack of injectors.
@Djpip850
@Djpip850 Жыл бұрын
@@IllegalC4 great man I am really considering this. I have a C3 and C4 and man the C3 starts and run on pump everytime
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
@@Djpip850 Same here. I just give the gas one push on cold starts and it Fires right up.
@miguelmontoya7805
@miguelmontoya7805 Жыл бұрын
What’s the part number on the fuel regulator and distributor?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
@@miguelmontoya7805 FPR www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-12-881 My friend gave me the distributor so I have no idea what it is. I can tell you that it says Delco Remy and looks identical to the stock one so i'm assuming its a vacuum advance off of another small block chevy.
@Rayspeed1
@Rayspeed1 11 ай бұрын
What distributor did you get? I have been looking on eBay and I don’t know if I should go with a cheap or expensive one
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
I used another GM HEI Distributor but I believe it died on me the last day I had it. Definitely don’t cheap out on your ignition as it can really hurt your motor or fail all together.
@daveunbranded
@daveunbranded 6 ай бұрын
I just came across this post. I want to do the same thing because i want to run a turbo and don't think tpi ia the way to go.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 6 ай бұрын
Yup there is definitely more options to throw some boost at a carb setup vs the ole tpi. It is possible on the TPI setup but will probably run 3x the price of doing it the carb way.
@daveunbranded
@daveunbranded 6 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4 I think I might go with a used sniper or sniper clone.
4 күн бұрын
What happens to the gauges when you go with a carburetor do they still act as normal?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 4 күн бұрын
Everything works except the Fuel Economy related gauges. Also the fuel gauge will misread severely as I ran out of gas 3 times straight.
@williamsisko503
@williamsisko503 10 ай бұрын
Will this work with a 84 Vette Cross Fire
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 8 ай бұрын
Yes. Certain parts may be in different areas but it's the same concept.
@swakage13x
@swakage13x 5 ай бұрын
I want to do something similar with A Mitsubishi 4G63 Out of a lancer or eclipse or eagle talon. So I don't have to worry about computers,
@dredreofficial
@dredreofficial 19 күн бұрын
Bro does this work on vortec motors please let me know I can’t find a lot of information on it
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 19 күн бұрын
Its similar but not the same. They sell vortech intakes that you can slap a carb onto.
@MAINEtainTV
@MAINEtainTV 10 ай бұрын
will this work on my 87? i heard holes dont line up? if you know otherwise please point me in a direction soooooo done with tpi
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 10 ай бұрын
If you have the L98 Tune Port Injection, you will be fine as it's the small block chevy architecture. If you have the LT1, you will have to get an LT1 specific intake manifold. The LT1 is not the same architecture as a small block chevy.
@troop1026
@troop1026 11 ай бұрын
Did you cut off the fuel injector plugs or leave them? What changes if any to the computer?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
All I did was disconnect the harness and stuck it off to the side. I did absolutely nothing to any other wiring. Everything works normally.
@troop1026
@troop1026 11 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4 awesome something shuts off my fuel injectors randomly. I already did the vats bypass and still happens so this will kill that gremlin. My winter project.
@diplexnormal3353
@diplexnormal3353 11 ай бұрын
This is a neat idea but I will never do this to my car. Why would I ever replaced tuned port injection with a carburetor?! I would probably understand why you would if your vette is cross fire injected but even then, cross fire injection was supposed to give better performance and be more economical than a regular carburetor.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 10 ай бұрын
It is all up to the owner and their goals. This is my project car so I value performance over efficiency/OEM form. A carb and good intake will add way more power and tuneability to a c4 with Xfire or TPI. If you're somebody who dailys or doesn't care about performance, there's nothing wrong with staying stock form. At the end of the day, there's a reason people carb swap/go efi instead of puting a TPI or LT1 on their small block project car. They always go RPM performer and a 750 of some sort.
@Cfl3270
@Cfl3270 10 ай бұрын
I’m converting my 84 now, you didn’t have to run any power to the fuel pump? I’ve cycled the key on mine but it’s not ready to start yet and I hear the pump run for a couple seconds then it shuts off. I’m running an hei distributor also and I don’t understand how the pump will run without the stock distributor
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 10 ай бұрын
There's no reason to have to screw with the fuel pump if you unplugged/removed the TPI stuff. The key always switches the fuel pump on. Also, what you are hearing is the fuel pump priming. When you turn the key it will only prime and shutoff until you start it. To address the last thing you said about the distributor, there's no correlation between the distributor and fuel pump. They have nothing to do with each other.
@Cfl3270
@Cfl3270 10 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4 the problem I’m having is I get the couple seconds of prime and it fired right up until it runs out of fuel. The pump only primes and doesn’t stay running when the car starts. I’m using the oil pressure sending unit because it’s tied into the relay but there is another wire coming from the ecm that must keep it running. I need to figure out that wire and run ignition power to it
@jonathanwoodruff9268
@jonathanwoodruff9268 Ай бұрын
Did you ever figure it out?
@johnfrew4399
@johnfrew4399 11 ай бұрын
What's the part number on your top rad hose
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 10 ай бұрын
www.amazon.com/Gates-22253-Lower-Radiator-Hose/dp/B000C2UCIQ
@superchevy8844
@superchevy8844 Жыл бұрын
Anything done to the ecm like take it out or just leave it in.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
Didn't touch anything. You can unplug practically everything and won't have much trouble. The only thing the ECM might trip about is the oil pressure switch but I haven't screwed with that. I'm gonna be upgrading to an MSD Ign system soon tho as I'm sure the stock system sucks.
@Trebor-gw8lt
@Trebor-gw8lt 8 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4so you just disconnected the fuel injection wiring from the engine and tucked away the harnesses? You left the connections plugged on the computer?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 8 ай бұрын
@@Trebor-gw8lt Yes, unplugged and tucked away. I pulled my motor recently and I'm going to fully remove all wiring soon.
@justmax36
@justmax36 11 ай бұрын
I'm just curious was the motor bone-stock? Because your Dyno numbers don't add up there's no way you got that much horsepower out of a bone stock l98 and there's no way you had 150 horsepower with a carburetor intake and headers. So just curious what mods were done to the original motor before you got it and how big of a cam you put in when you swapped to the carburetor?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
The dyno graph shown was a bare engine in a dyno cell with no accessories, cold air, headers, and a tune. Chevy put the l98 out at 230 crank hp with all accessories/smog equipment which simulates world real numbers. As for the major hp gain, yes that it true. Remember, it’s 150 hp on an engine with no accessories in a controlled environment. On the street it will probably be closer to half of that number. If you don’t believe me, watch Richard Holdenrs TPI videos on YT. Also, my motor was bone stock in this video and I did not change any internals. I recently pulled my motor and sent it to be rebuilt as a 383. I’d imagine the new cam will be around 230duration, 500 lift, and 110LSA.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
Also I believe you may have misinterpreted some information. The chart in the video shows the TPI peaking at 330hp and the carburetor setup peaking around 360hp. With that being said, the 30peak hp isn’t what’s the most beneficial. What’s most beneficial is how the carb setup keeps building power out into higher RPMs. So yes it makes 30 more at peak but the power band is nearly doubled in HP.
@TheJMan1K
@TheJMan1K 2 ай бұрын
How much whp do you think you have? Looking at getting a C4
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 2 ай бұрын
With everything done in this video, maybe 280whp-300whp since its a manual. I dont know what a stock C4 dynos So Im going off the fact that it might be making close to 340 crank hp. The configuration in this video is more of a torque setup than a HP setup so Im sure the torque is Decent too. Never drove it enough to confidently speak on it
@TheJMan1K
@TheJMan1K 2 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4 what parts for that number? I’ve seen on some forums L98 6 speed cars making 370whp from intake, headers, full exhaust, decent cam, and I believe some other bolt ons. Do you have an insta?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 2 ай бұрын
@@TheJMan1K my Insta is the same as yt.
@Jebbby
@Jebbby 3 ай бұрын
So you did not remove the ecm or wiring harness?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 3 ай бұрын
Everything is still there but tucked away. Will remove all that stuff eventually
@Jebbby
@Jebbby 3 ай бұрын
@IllegalC4 yeah I wonder if you took out the ecm and wires if you would have to mess with the fuel pump.
@exploranator
@exploranator Жыл бұрын
TPI had crummy higher-RPM power, yes?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
The TPI would die at 4400rpm which makes the 5500rpm red line useless. There's dyno charts out there that show.
@cloudshe
@cloudshe 11 ай бұрын
the long tube runners are great for low rpm torque but don't breathe well at higher rpms
@dudekanic
@dudekanic 10 ай бұрын
That's not a kick down cable it's a TV cable that lets the transmission know when to shift. Without the throttle valve cable placed correctly you can burn up your transmission.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 10 ай бұрын
I don't have either as I have a manual trans.
@christophersmith9927
@christophersmith9927 8 ай бұрын
tpis intake /bbk throttle body for sale..lol
@mikebolton2388
@mikebolton2388 5 ай бұрын
How easy was it to tune? Ive heard you need to be an expert and might take some days
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 4 ай бұрын
I unfortunately do not have experience tuning carbs. There's plenty of videos/articles on how to do it. Generally speaking, if you have a pretty normal build, the carb will work out the box as is without running terribly lean or rich.
@tysonatkins2236
@tysonatkins2236 Жыл бұрын
Without cutting the hood, you're losing your cold air intake. But to each, their own.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
It's definitely sucking every possible molecule of hot air possible. By all means, it is killing HP and MPG. This setup was definitely a short term/temp setup. I'm ordering a cowl soon and I'll be building a custom CAI when I get my motor back.
@mikeydejon2148
@mikeydejon2148 6 ай бұрын
​@IllegalC4 where can you get cowl hood for c4?
@HighPowerOptionsTrades
@HighPowerOptionsTrades 5 ай бұрын
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@maintsgt3637
@maintsgt3637 8 ай бұрын
waterpump?
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 8 ай бұрын
Stock waterpump. There's a long neck and short neck version so be sure if you order a replacement that you have the correct one. Also, there is a heater core hose line you'll have to put a plug in on the water pump if you are removing that equipment.
@jimhall1095
@jimhall1095 11 ай бұрын
Unfortunate that the car only had 60k on it for this. On the bright side, this helps raise the value of nice TPI cars.
@dvscustoms
@dvscustoms 4 ай бұрын
"nice TPI cars" sitting in the trailer parks for $2500... 😂
@jimhall1095
@jimhall1095 4 ай бұрын
@@dvscustoms I work on TPI and LT cars exclusively, you’d think otherwise in my line of work. Just sold my 1991 6sp Corvette for $26k with 55k miles on it.
@Ice-tz8jd
@Ice-tz8jd 4 ай бұрын
@@dvscustomsyea for one with a million problems rust all over it paint fucked up and 150,000 miles on the engine and still worth more than alot of normal used cars on marketplace dipshit
@bobvomhof5699
@bobvomhof5699 3 ай бұрын
Tpi c4s are not money cars, they are not investment cars, they are simply fun cars. Save your boomer ignorance and let the guy play with his car.
@jimhall1095
@jimhall1095 3 ай бұрын
@@bobvomhof5699 What’s a boomer?
@itsruf1
@itsruf1 3 ай бұрын
Corvette people like this choice of music? In their straw hats? Didn't think so.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 3 ай бұрын
Out of everything to complain about, you chose the 60 second intro of copyright free music?
@itsruf1
@itsruf1 3 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4 I got out at 0:30ish but you exsplained like a straw hat boy.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 3 ай бұрын
@@itsruf1 What da hell is a straw hat boy🤣
@MichaelMackenzie-sb4hx
@MichaelMackenzie-sb4hx 11 ай бұрын
why screw up a corvette like this
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
Myself and many other corvette owners are not satisfied with the 180 wheel horse power that these TPI small blocks produce. Who are you to say putting a carb is screwing a corvette? Where's your corvette? Many others would agree that putting a good carb and intake in place of the dog ass TPI is one of the best things you can do to enjoy a classic muscle car, especially considering the age and condition of OEM parts. Can you tell me why almost every old classic car rocks a carb setup?
@MichaelMackenzie-sb4hx
@MichaelMackenzie-sb4hx 11 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4 super ram brings it to 290whp with no other mods other than exhaust
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
@@MichaelMackenzie-sb4hx Stealth ram or super ram?
@bobvomhof5699
@bobvomhof5699 3 ай бұрын
Yah, sitting not running is way cooler!!! #stupid
@scottweatherman3266
@scottweatherman3266 3 ай бұрын
Not trying to be a hater. I am not like you. I am old. I love fuel injection vs carberators. I am old enough to be your grandpa. Carberators belong on the bottom of the ocean. Fuel injection on these old cars have fuel injection that is so far superior to any carberator.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 3 ай бұрын
Modern fuel injection yes but 36 year old GM TPI no thanks.
@danielmendricks7205
@danielmendricks7205 14 күн бұрын
That is stupid! 400+ hp with TPI is so easy, and you are losing all the mid-range torque as well!
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 14 күн бұрын
Not at all true. Its also getting harder and harder to find TPI parts as it gets older. Look man, you cant deny its one of GMs first EFI setups and its very obsolete. Its a cool and unique setup but at the end of the day, it has no performance to it.
@MunchinMaQuchy
@MunchinMaQuchy 7 ай бұрын
wtf u do too your PCV bro?? lol thats not how those work, you need to get breathers.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 7 ай бұрын
There's nothing wrong with putting a filter over the PCV. Ultimately, there's better options out there to the method I had done however considering I had just gone it running, there's nothing wrong with what I did.
@MunchinMaQuchy
@MunchinMaQuchy 7 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4 your carb has a spot for PCV. Just hook it up. Then you won't get an oily film on everything.
@C4VETTELT1
@C4VETTELT1 Жыл бұрын
Im thinking of swapping my LT1 to carb.
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 Жыл бұрын
I would personally advise to keep the LT1 as it’s pretty good design, especially if you do some of the preventative repairs ahead of time with optispark. It’s a bit newer than the TPI so it is actually pretty good for daily driving & performance oriented applications. One thing to also consider is a lot of the modifications required if you switched to a carburetor setup because the LT1 is a bit different from the traditional small blocks.
@C4VETTELT1
@C4VETTELT1 Жыл бұрын
@IllegalC4 it's actually pretty simple, they make an intake manifold for the LT1 for the carb swap. It has the hole obviously in the back for the distributor also for your traditional distributor in the back. I'm basically thinking of doing this to ditch the ECM. Also obviously have to change the timing chain cover as well. I'm definitely keeping the LT1!! I absolutely love the LT1 engine personally.
@jerryespinoza2113
@jerryespinoza2113 11 ай бұрын
You HAVE to have a pcv valve installed. Just airing out wont do
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
I have filters on the valve covers so the crankcase vents to atmosphere. 👍
@cloudshe
@cloudshe 11 ай бұрын
@@IllegalC4 PCV depends on vacuum fm the intake manifold to one of the valve covers and a filter of sorts on the other valve cover to circulate outside air thru the crankcase
@passgoalejandro
@passgoalejandro 11 ай бұрын
I plan on picking up a 84 c4 vet and I want to convert to a carb and then go from there as far as upgrades is there a way we can stay in touch do you have a Facebook
@ScottsFormula350TPI
@ScottsFormula350TPI 7 ай бұрын
compared to tpi thats 5 shades of ugly...
@bobvomhof5699
@bobvomhof5699 3 ай бұрын
And 5 shades of running. #stupid
@MJM442
@MJM442 11 ай бұрын
Hello and thanks for the time spent on video. I'm doing engine swap on my 86 vert. using a Blueprint 396 stroked sb350 (Engine dyno 508hp/ 525 torq) Can't wait to get it doneand driving. I am trying to figure out what to do with the injector harnesses, does anyone know if they can be "unplugged" anywhere? I've leaving the brain box in place. Thanks again!
@IllegalC4
@IllegalC4 11 ай бұрын
I think you can trace the harness back to the firewall. I’m personally not going back to factory F.I. So I’m probably going to cut it as far back as I can and see what happens. I don’t think it will do anything bad as there’s nothing that I need on it.
I wish I could change THIS fast! 🤣
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