Found this video and can't thank you enough, I thought bare-shaft arrow tuning was beyond me until I watched this. Amazingly well presented.
@Valscorn018 ай бұрын
And I’m saving this video… one of the best explanations of bare shaft tuning on KZfaq.
@borumfishing2 жыл бұрын
Your points about the fletching weight makes good sense, and your explanation of tuning the bow/arrow is very easy to follow and understand. Thank you for sharing this valuable info.
@gunshyarchery3 ай бұрын
Electrical tape you psycho. Love it. I'll try it next time. Never thought it would make enough of a difference with my skill level. But every bit helps. Great intel.
@Backyard.Archery2 ай бұрын
Thought I had heard it all… nope, just learned something new (electrical tape to mimic fletching)… love it… excited to go back through my tunes (perfect arrow flight is so satisfying)…. and will definitely pass this on (and give you credit)… thank you!
@WoodsandWadersOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Best video on tuning I’ve ever come across. Preciate it Trevor. Still fightin with those Easton Carbon Legacy shafts.
@dalelong80012 жыл бұрын
Thanks you very much for the great information! Excellent video on bare shaft tuning.
@jonwrightinmiami2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I did some tuning as you suggested and my nocks were all high at any range. I started at 5 yards and when they were totally correct nock wise. I moved back all the way to 25 yards and dead on! Left to right corrected to by getting more consistent follow through which is something I have neglected over the years. Moving my hand straight back to complete follow through has really helped.
@daviddrysdale8866Ай бұрын
At long last - an Archer with intelligence and the communicative skills to explain Bare Shaft Tuning. Very well explained. Thanks my friend 🙏
@kennylainhart7148 Жыл бұрын
Explained very well, Thanks for the detailed video 👍
@snidedog20042 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, gonna help out a lot of archers. Thank you Trevor
@kevinroberts9580 Жыл бұрын
That was a very good explanation of arrow tuning. All things considered, if your release is not nearly the same every time it can change all of this, Got to have the fundamentals down and backtension release. Great video
@benjaminmonteros636615 күн бұрын
Wow!! Makes so much sense. Thank you!
@paulmullins46762 жыл бұрын
I have discussed this with compound bow guys and they look at me like I came from another world. “Man just use the spine chart!”, they say. It is amazing how many hunters shoot at animals and don’t understand arrow/bow dynamics. I hunt both with a longbow and compound and my early trad days helps me. What also is nice about a compound is I have the option of adjusting poundage on the bow to tune the bow to the arrow rather than the arrow to the bow.
@jacobjohnson98828 күн бұрын
Most serious compound guys paper tune. You can try it with a trad bow too. If it’s perfectly paper tuned, it’ll bare shaft and visa versa.
@LT.X3802 жыл бұрын
Sounds simple. Stay safe my friend. God bless you 🙏.
@theweaponscollectiveedge8632 жыл бұрын
very good information, thank you for making this video
@pauljones22612 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Will give it a go
@bernhardgoesmann64903 ай бұрын
.. love the buckles, very subtle flex :D
@paulkerby4829 Жыл бұрын
That’s pretty good stuff Bub
@sprk112 жыл бұрын
thanks for the yardages, The one thing with most tuning vids is a lack of yardages to work from. but mostly the difference from what I do is I don't bare shaft. I build the arrow less the tip. Shoot it with just the taper cut into the tip until the arrow shoots stiff then add the point . If it's week I can remove the point shorten and continue or got to a different weight tip. beyond that it much the same process . Good to know I'm not to far off in what I do.
@jetpilot5552 жыл бұрын
Sparky elven. If you think you're not far off, grab one arrow that you tuned, strip the feathers and shoot it bare (with electrical tape). See it for yourself how good (or badly tuned) it flies at 30 yards. The proof is in the pudding, my friend.
@tomwarrick49452 жыл бұрын
Dang I never thought of adding the tape
@gillesprevost9975 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@sjohn_8627 Жыл бұрын
You should do a video on how to tune for feather clearance. I can’t find any videos really talking about that. Plus is sucks when you think you’ve got a perfect tune then after a while that one feather is worn out.
@davetoms632 жыл бұрын
100% agree ... all the high FOC nonsense is getting ridiculous. That crowd always brings up Spears and javelins which do not have broadheads out in front acting as wings. I have had a lot better arrow flight since I went back to shooting normal FOC on my arrows. And oh by the way I'm not having any trouble with penetration either. We have forgotten so much about archery in these latter days. KE is made up of two components, speed and mass..... We don't forsake one and just worry about the other. A good balance is always best.... No matter how much fairy dust you think you have.
@rsengineering Жыл бұрын
KE is not this important, KM is more important when the arrow strikes. Something light and very fast will be much slower at the time of impact. At time of impact residual speed and mass counts. Higher FOC is a way to enhance penetration. Not this much of an issue on deer, but on larger critters. And generally, most wooden or aluminum arrows have enough mass that this is not an issue. The issue arose when the "more speed compound crowd" shot lighter and lighter, but always slightly faster arrows. Some of these old hunting videos are hard to watch. A superfast arrow often got them 1/4 shaft penetration on a deer. From a 60#+ bow. While a heavier shaft would have gotten an easy passthrough. FOC above 19% is the bone splitting threshold. Arrows with 20-22% FOC are easy to build and very stable in flight and pack a woopin. Very few people need 30% FOC. These are for the big 5 and waterbuffalo hunters. But just using 100 and 125 grain points will only work with enough mass in the arrow. And a lot of carbons are borderline for that. In addition, a lot of hunters drop bow weight due to age and higher KM is better for them.
@davetoms63 Жыл бұрын
@@rsengineering KE is from speed and mass. Both are important, a heavy object moving very slow may not penetrate as far as a slightly less heavy object moving faster. each bow will have a sweet range and ALL bows are Springs and will have a peak KE.
@rsengineering Жыл бұрын
@@davetoms63 What counts is what arrives at the target, not at release of the arrow. KM is also from speed and mass... A heavy very slow object with a sharp cutting point will outpenetrate the lighter and faster object. Mass is retained, speed is not. Speed will go down exponentially. Mass stays. Especially in fluids or fluid like mediums.
@a.j.taylor4401Ай бұрын
I know this comment is old but you can't deny high foc equals more penetration as long as all other factors are equal. Sure you can get good penetration with a light fast arrow as long as nothing goes wrong. The heavy arrow high foc thing helps a ton if you hit bone and something goes wrong. You can't argue with physics and science.
@davetoms63Ай бұрын
@@a.j.taylor4401 no one said that, but you don't have to go to EXTREMES.
@robsarchery96792 ай бұрын
Nice one
@davidchampagne20692 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I just checked my tune...my nock was too low and my arrows were too stiff...
@blaineholcomb21182 жыл бұрын
Tuning question - I've never had trouble tuning bare shaft arrows that don't have a wrap. But now I'm trying to bare shaft with a wrap because I want to shoot a wrap on these new arrows. I have a reflex deflex longbow and it's cut about 1/8" out of center. My draw length is about 26" and the bow is 50# @26" . I'm trying to tune a gold tip traditional 500 spine with 300 grains up front. No matter what length I try I can't get these arrow to show anything other than stiff when I shoot. I'm a left handed shooter and I'm getting tail left flight every time. I even tried adding more than 300 grains up front and still got the same result. I've tuned GT traditional 500s out of this same bow without a wrap and they tuned perfect at 27". The only other thing different is that my old string was 12 strands of D97 and I made a new one with 14 strands of D97 because it fits my GT nocks better. According to physics I would expect that somewhere between 27 to 28 or maybe 28.5" the arrow should tune. I even tried a 29.5" arrow with 300 up front and still got stiff spine results. I'm holding the bow vertical and doing my best to get a clean release every time. Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong or what the problem could be? Do you think I would need to move to a 600 spine? 600 seems like it should be too weak out of a 50# bow with 300 up front. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I can't figure it out.
@tttarchery2 жыл бұрын
You will never get a good tune with that much FOC on a carbon arrow. 200 ont the tip max and it will tune great. Reload and try again. Dont forget to represent the fletch with the tape
@blaineholcomb21182 жыл бұрын
@@tttarchery Thanks. I think the problem was that my nock was too tight on the string. I put my old string back on the bow and was able to get it to tune well at 28". I understand that adding that much front of center weight will mess with the trajectory of the arrow but I'm a bowhunter and I only shoot 20 yards and in so I'm not worried about it. I like having 300 grains up front for penetration.
@robtradarcherytirarc3drobi8072 жыл бұрын
Good video
@bipolarbear69 Жыл бұрын
Will this help save my marriage?
@RentersHomestead2 ай бұрын
Thank you. Great video and well explained. I do have a ?, do you incorporate Nock-tuning into this process for ea arrow?
@wood69321 Жыл бұрын
Do you shoot your bow as straight up/down as possible while bareshafting or keep the natural cant that i usually shoot with (1-2 o’clock cant). Also, any info on tuning ilf? I’ve had nothing but problems with the ilf i have even if tillered equal, going off equal, doesnt seem to stay consistant. Thanks!
@bryceolson90422 жыл бұрын
Can you talk about ILF tiller adjustment and the bare shaft tuning steps.?
@tttarchery Жыл бұрын
Hey Bryce good question will put that on the list for a future video.
@robertlipsey60568 ай бұрын
I would be struggling to hit the target at 30 yards.
@richmerlo27692 жыл бұрын
Very well explained , I do have a question as to what type of target is best for tuning your arrow?
@tttarchery2 жыл бұрын
Anything solid like a 3D or layered foam. Bag targets will not show a true arrow position
@antoniocorvigno55182 жыл бұрын
I always tune my arrow in a similar way, but my form is still so erratic that over 10 yard I get unreadable results. once i literally blown up the paper tune stander :D
@tttarchery2 жыл бұрын
Yea the tune can only be as good as the archer. Find us on facebook TTT Strings. We offer a 1hr virtual coaching that could really help you out.
@joelrougeau64032 жыл бұрын
I used to always have nock high readings until messing around with my finger pressure on the string. I shoot split and noticed too much string pressure on my top finger cause a nock high flight.
@bryanthornton67872 жыл бұрын
The finger pressure is really kicking my tail!!
@tttarchery2 жыл бұрын
Hey Joel, couple words on that subject. First, there is a method of developing a hook for your hand. Everyones hook is different because our fingers are not all the same length relationally. This method can only be executed with a tab. Most gloves do not allow for proper hook. Second if we know that our hook is optimal, if the bow is sensitive to finger pressure adjustments, it either has steep string angle (long draw, short bow), its not laser straight, or it needs a tiller adjustment.
@joelrougeau64032 жыл бұрын
@@tttarchery I do notice my 62" longbow is way less finicky than my 60" static tip recurve. 29" draw. Can you direct me to a resource towards developing a better hook? Thanks!
@randalknight91032 жыл бұрын
Great video, how about a video on vein clearance, you got thinking
For a quiet forgiving hunting bow do you reccomend a black widow pch 60" or a toelke whip 10x 64-68" ? Struggling picking between the two, would be used for whitetail outta a ground blind while sitting /treestand. Thank you.
@rsengineering Жыл бұрын
Neither. Pretty long for treestands. Depends really on your draw length/body length.
@tttarchery Жыл бұрын
Cant go wrong with either those are my two favorite bows!!!
@robbiecox50142 жыл бұрын
If I have a bare shaft that is hitting dead straight at 10 yds but is impacting the target 4 inches to the right of where I’m aiming , what’s my problem? Thanks for the video
@tttarchery Жыл бұрын
Does it also impact 4” right at 20 and 25 or does it progressively go further right?
@lp70647 ай бұрын
Anyone have any tips for getting my release consistent enough so that I can tune?
@tttarchery5 ай бұрын
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@davidchampagne20692 жыл бұрын
If you string walk, do you need to shoot at the same level on the string as you walk back when you are initially tuning?
@tttarchery Жыл бұрын
You would want to start by tuning the crawl that is the average or most common shot distance. So for say a 30 yard 3D course I would probably tune my 26-27 yard crawl, see how 30 goes and you might have to tune to a 28 or more as the further the distance the more tune matters.
@guillaumefraser38139 ай бұрын
I'm a little late to the game, but I'm wonderig what would you advise for string walkers? I find that my nocking point tune is wildly different depending if I'm shooting a 5, 10 or 15yd crawl. I paper tune at 5 yards with a 15 yard crawl, but said string walk is going to vary wildly depending on distance whenever I'm on range or sump shooting
@tttarchery9 ай бұрын
Always tune for your average distance or the distance you feel you need to be most accurate. Longer riser shorter limbs helps with a string walking setup. You will want to setup the bow possibly with a longer arrow so you dont have such extreme crawls. Its the struggle everyone has to deal with when it comes to string walking. The longer the bow the better.
@MegaBrique Жыл бұрын
Hi great video! i am now bareshaft tuning my arrows. But here's the thing: i pull the string with my right hand, but place my arrow also on the right side of my bow (it's a double recurved horsebow). Does that mean that for me all is inverted?
@tttarchery Жыл бұрын
That depends are you using thumb draw or fingers like a right handed shooter would?
@MegaBrique Жыл бұрын
@@tttarchery I use both, i use slavic draw for speed shooting and thumb draw with Kathrâ
@juliankeller5030 Жыл бұрын
What would you say is too much foc?
@tttarchery Жыл бұрын
When your bareshafts show a bad angle of entry in the target at your maximum effective range.
@danshao82542 жыл бұрын
Interesting point on too much foc. What range would you say I should keep it under / not worry about too much foc if I'm under say 20%? I get a lot of low right (off group from the fletched arrows) with the bare shaft with my constantly tinkered ilf setup and I never bothered to correct that unless I have to hunt with it. How picky are you personally with arrow tuning say with a practice bow off-season not competing or hunting just form practice and keeping up the muscle memory?
@tttarchery2 жыл бұрын
Hey Dan for most arrows i use a simple rule not much over 200 total grains on the tip thats a really good flying shaft. If you get into super heavy aluminum you maybe can go more. Wood arrows do not like heavy tips at all, max 160 grain for best accuracy. Personally i dont give myself any allowance for an untuned bow any time of the year. I work the tune until i can pull a bareshaft out and shoot it with the fletched at any distance. ILF adds a whole other complication to the tuning, and maybe that should be for another video.
@dsdssdsd2832 жыл бұрын
@@tttarchery thanks for the reply. That’s awesome and really helpful.
@user-ml7hd6yc2x2 жыл бұрын
Why not start at 30 yrds and save time and energy?
@tttarchery Жыл бұрын
If you start at 30 and you dont have a massive bail expect to completely miss the target possibly bend or break arrow on the first shot. Other than that you can get a false positive shooting that far away if the arrow is too far out of tune.
@richardsanchezjr.2273 Жыл бұрын
Quick question.. so do you have to bare shaft tune every arrow or fine tune one arrow and then cut the others to the same length? Thanks
@tttarchery Жыл бұрын
Hey Richard its always good to check that all arrows are matching for spine and weight. Carbon, especially cheap carbon can have quite a variance. If you dont have a way to confirm, then make 2-3 bareshafts to ensure that you are getting a good representation of the batch. Always cut your arrows same length. If one is so far off it shoots bad cull it from the herd or switch to better quality arrows.
@richardsanchezjr.2273 Жыл бұрын
@@tttarchery you were not lying about the addition of tape to the arrow. Made a big difference. 🙏
@stevenbunn5450Ай бұрын
I will do a KZfaq explanation of arrow flight one day , because all these vids don't understand true arrow flight , your close but the archery world doesn't understand .......Energy and mass when converted to motion , at the correct bare shaft flight , to distance to impact your knock should be 4 degrees knock high on a boss at 90 degrees ....Bow energy......arrow mass.....graverty....distance .the 4 needs to work in harmony .