‘Tradwife’ Trend Is Worse Than You Realize | Eviane Leidig

‘Tradwife’ Trend Is Worse Than You Realize | Eviane Leidig | TMR

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2 ай бұрын

On mainstream social media platforms, far-right women make extremism relatable by sharing content about organic foods, anti-vaccination rallies, and promoting a feminine lifestyle. They use discussions on dating, marriage, and family to advocate for housewifery against feminism and endorse the Great Replacement conspiracy theory. Eviane Leidig's book delves into the digital world of these far-right women influencers, revealing their roles as propagandists and recruiters for white nationalism. Leidig argues that these women market themselves as authentic to attract followers and spread hateful ideologies, leveraging social media's structure to reach mainstream audiences. Her book provides insights into gender dynamics within the far-right and strategies to counter extremism both online and offline.
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@geargeekpdx3566 2 ай бұрын

Alt-Reich thought The Handmaid's Tale was an instructional video

@Joeljaboy 2 ай бұрын

“Wow this softcore has a phenomenal backstory”

@annmarieknapp 2 ай бұрын

Awesome comment!!!!

@uncertaintytoworldpeace3650 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the plans. I’ll look into it.

@bookgirlny8511 2 ай бұрын

Truuue

@gryffonsi 2 ай бұрын

@@spanqueluv9erno it was an awesome comment, you calm down!

@kevingates8339 2 ай бұрын

People like Lauren Southern made their whole career off wanting the Trad wife life, and then ran away from it as soon as they got in and saw what it was really like

@alexj-t2331 2 ай бұрын

Most women who are conservative talking heads report problems with sexism and misogyny from their peers at work but can’t figure out the math on that one

@user-pc3we6gf6j 2 ай бұрын

Lauren Southern, also known as the Canadian Serena Joy...

@annmarieknapp 2 ай бұрын

Gee I wonder why! What could go wrong with people who don't even respect you as a human being.

@jorge-7121 2 ай бұрын

False. She made her career talking about immigration. She never really embraced or promoted being a trad wife

@jorge-7121 2 ай бұрын

@@alexj-t2331 I think you are just lying

@russlcorey 2 ай бұрын

Women: are you lonely? Try a traditional role. You’ll be home alone 12 hrs a day but after that you’ll have company while serving him the rest the day.

@JackAShepherd 2 ай бұрын

Can't trad-wives have pets? If so I'm game 🐕🐈🦜🦎

@FDDLERSGREEN 2 ай бұрын

You'll be home 24 hours a day, actually, except for alloted shopping. 12 of those hours will be spent in the kitchen. The other 12 will be spent raising the brood and massaging your kings feet.

@jonathenweise6840 2 ай бұрын

Your leaving out the part about the whole domestic violence (by someone whose had one to many highball's) for over cooking the casserole 🥸

@arcanineryu 2 ай бұрын

Why do women have a culture of being shopaholics? Because grocery shopping used to be basically the only time of day they were let out of the house.

@zcorpalpha2462 2 ай бұрын

My lady ❤ it and doesn’t mind

@nancybryant4325 2 ай бұрын

I’m 75;and came of age in the late 60’s. I read Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem and they worked for women to have equal opportunities and pushed for them to have equal partnerships in marriage. My ex-husband helped me to establish credit in my own name as this was not always easy. Now it’s like the right wants us to go backwards to the 50’s.

@ecoRfan 2 ай бұрын

I keep thinking of “Self in 1958” (by Anne Sexton) as describing oppression that the right want. It’s dark.

@nancybryant4325 Ай бұрын

@@ecoRfan I haven’t read that one. I’ll look for it.

@ecoRfan Ай бұрын

@@nancybryant4325 it’s really only a short poem, but says all I need to know about the oppression with “trad” norms.

@BaronVonQuiply Ай бұрын

It's not even the real 50s they want to degrade us to, they're chasing the hyper-PC, ultra-sanitized, literal-censor approved facade of 1950s fake TV family

@Iquey Ай бұрын

It's revenge of the incels and divorced dads/Pick Mes/Boy moms whos boys abuse their girlfriends.

@rustyk4645 2 ай бұрын

These people are so similar to the Fundamentalist Muslims they are Terrified of.

@user-dl1yc8cb4l Ай бұрын

I Wish I could like this 1000 times.

@andreapoulieva6717 Ай бұрын

EXACTLY.

@donkeywhistler Ай бұрын

American Taliban

@rustyk4645 Ай бұрын

@@donkeywhistler I almost said that. They'd fucking LOVE Islam, if it only had more cheesy music, pork sausages and white people involved.

@mariondean8499 22 күн бұрын

Thank you

@em.415 2 ай бұрын

I almost got sucked in because I was exhausted with work and no longer wanted to work. Being a trad wife sounded like a way out. But the flip side is having a man control your finances thus controlling your life. That doesn’t solve your problems.

@Laurasaurus5 2 ай бұрын

This is such an important aspect that doesn't get enough discussion. Being a traditional housewife means not being alienated from the fruits of your labor. All of your work directly benefits you and your loved ones, making your family's life richer in what you value, which is a lot more appealing than making your employer richer and more powerful with every day you labor in a job.

@wyleecoyotee4252 Ай бұрын

@@Laurasaurus5 When you work, you get richer too and are in charge of your own destiny.

@Laurasaurus5 Ай бұрын

@@wyleecoyotee4252 Sure, you might get richer, but if you're a mom then chances are you're barely breaking even between working full-time and paying for full-time child care. There's a tendency on the left to only focus on how tradwives can be exploited by their husbands and left with nothing, but let's be real, you're also going to be exploited and left with nothing in most jobs! I just think leftist commentary is really failing to acknowledge these aspects and how worker's rights are women's rights. I also never see it acknowledged that even if your marriage is rock solid, there is still the real risk of the sole bread-winner becoming disabled, being diagnosed with a serious illness, or dying, which can put the family into debt, aka LESS THAN ZERO and no way out if the trad wife has no education or work history when things get bad.

@benjamindavis2475 Ай бұрын

You can be a stay at home parent without being in a psycho cult. Some people just like taking an active role in raising their children. I'd love to home school my kid if i could afford it

@annjones9635 Ай бұрын

@@Laurasaurus5 Unless a traditional wife has financial assets in her own name, it's a bad idea. Life isn't predictable anything could happen to him, he could leave, get sick or die, then what.

@maryannjordan8143 Ай бұрын

So I have been a house wife because it made financial sense for me to stay home and raise my kids while they are little, it’s harder than any paid job I ever had. What these girls are being conned with is the idea of playing house. It’s not all decorating and dinner parties. This trad wife trend is scary. Also it’s giving housewives a bad name.

@Remedy462 Ай бұрын

The tradwife lifestyle currently is fantasy and fetish, none of which showcase the physical and emptional tutmoil of every little detail of maintaining a household and managing the stress of living. You are the actual role model, not those grifters.

@rosieE121 Ай бұрын

I raised children and worked part-time simultaneously. I had to be full-time in both arenas. Was a single mom. Priority was my children. Keeping a job was hard but I couldn't survive otherwise and I wouldn't be able to retire. I would be fired from age and infirmity and homeless by now.

@zhou_sei Ай бұрын

@@rosieE121 hero (i mean heroine, lol it's just a weird word)

@cindychurch335 Ай бұрын

I feel like your views are narrow minded and put women in boxes with labels. I’m 67 and still work full time, but I took several years away from the work force to raise my kids. My husband traveled for work and was gone 5 days out of the week for 7 years. I didn’t want them to be stuck in child care and then me be too exhausted to enjoy those precious evening hours. I enjoyed those years with them and being involved with school activities. When they grew older and I was ready I resumed my career. I wouldn’t trade those years with them for the world. And I had 2 children, not 10! Be careful and don’t limit women the way the far right does!

@rosieE121 Ай бұрын

@@cindychurch335 that's great that you were able to accomplish all those responsibilities and have things work out for the best. I know it wasn't easy or perfect but it was a success. I have the idea that's not the norm for women now. Women are not Cinderella or Beauty like in Disney where we marry a prince who takes care of us and our families the rest of our lives in high style. Even if the economy supported it, I can't see most men wanting to go along with that dreamboat. Half marriages end in divorce and many are out for themselves, cheat, and just don't care. Unfortunately it seems the reality.

@Toastcat890 2 ай бұрын

This won't last long because as soon as the trad wives reach the old age of 30-35 they'll be ditched for the cute 19-21 year old some former trad wives are already talking about being dumped for the younger ladies.

@Danielle-zq7kb Ай бұрын

There is Canadian KZfaqr who had this happen and now posts about it and how being a young trader with no work history or college degree has set her up for failure as a newly single mom. If she didn’t have KZfaq, she’d have nothing. For every KZfaq celeb, there are thousands with no backup.

@MZBS639 Ай бұрын

@@Danielle-zq7kbthe KZfaq celebs also are No tradwives But tradwife-performers who are actually businesswomen, so they promote something they are Not.

@sandarahcatmom9897 15 күн бұрын

I remember that era back in the day. I was an employment interviewer for a couple of companies that hired a lot of clerk typists, file clerks, etc. entry level stuff. I had a lot of no longer young women apply who were dumped by their husbands because they’d found a new model. I remember one very pretty forty-something woman whose ex husband was a pilot for United and she had lived a very upscale life until he left her for a young stewardess. Of course, would she really be happy working for us at minimum wage? No, who would? Truth is, though, I preferred to hire new high school graduates so we didn’t have to mess with absences due to child care problems and were a better blend, looked better and were happier… it sounds terrible, I know, but it worked for the companies to have a younger crew, turnover was no problem because applicants were a dime a dozen back then; no shortage., and HR recruiters are just glorified pimps anyway.

@Ninnybroth 12 күн бұрын

@@sandarahcatmom9897Jeez, I really hope someone sued your company for discrimination and won. Or was that before those kinds of protections? This is the kind of thing these people want to send us back to.

@ThatGuy-bh9qh 5 күн бұрын

Karma

@alexj-t2331 2 ай бұрын

If conservatives want a trad lifestyle then why constantly attack things that HELP people have those lifestyles? Worker protections, lower working hours with no loss of pay, living wages, no fault divorce, right to abortion (which is family planning) are all things that benefit people who want that life AND for those who don’t

@PyrrhicPax 2 ай бұрын

All those things forget one KEY aspect of the traditional (1950s American) lifestyle.... The man must be in control of all things. Without a literal patriarchy, it's not a traditional (1950s American) lifestyle.

@alexj-t2331 2 ай бұрын

⁠@@PyrrhicPaxactually the woman was in charge of the home expenses. Men made the money and gave the money to their wives to balance their checkbooks and budget for the house. We also had a lot more social programs and taxing of wealth back then too but those specific 1950’s values tend to get overlooked by conservatives, wonder why 🤔

@ExtremeMadnessX 2 ай бұрын

@@alexj-t2331👆

@x999uuu1 2 ай бұрын

@alexj-t2331 In some households sure. In many more women had no control over the money or their husband had the right to override any monetary decision she made whenever he felt like it

@PyrrhicPax 2 ай бұрын

@@alexj-t2331 turning someone into your accountant doesn't mean they have authority over your money. The accountant must still defer to the accountee. The woman may have been ALLOWED to MANAGE home expenses but she wasn't in charge of them. It was common for wives to be physically disciplined for frivolous spending of their husbands earnings.

@Kenzie_Hill Ай бұрын

Every aspect of Trad wife and Trad girlfriend is control. Please teach you daughters to be strong, smart, confident self-reliant adults. Politics and finances matter!

@fcdraw 2 ай бұрын

The Handmaid's Tale was supposed to be a warning not an instruction manual.

@craighalpin896 2 ай бұрын

It's more of an absurd comedy than anything else

@tigerlilly9038 Ай бұрын

@@craighalpin896 well not in Texas..

@craighalpin896 Ай бұрын

@@tigerlilly9038 right, in Texas they are holding girls down while they attempt to impregnate them. You might not like their stances but exaggerating doesn't do anything but paint you as crazy

@alexr6114 20 күн бұрын

Brilliant comment! And pithy!

@carolynbridgeman5981 Ай бұрын

I can't imagine that this trend would last longer than a single generation. Once women remember that trad wife usually means being completely controlled and giving up everything to 'serve' a man, who in no way is guaranteed to be either kind, or competent to make good decisions about their own lives, let alone yours as well.But that won't stop them, because that's how it works.

@HawkRauster-pg5yc Ай бұрын

It's called marriage. You obey your husband because it's worth it to you to make him happy. It makes sense in other ways, but, you just have to feel them out. If you can't do that, you don't want a marriage, you want a legally binding contract to take advantage of a man, which is a sorry excuse for the concept of marriage. Men kind of don't want to be miserable. Unless, of course, you missed the large numbers of men who refuse to date or marry, because they won't get a woman's submission, which basically crack to them.

@JugglinJellyTake01 2 ай бұрын

Julia Ebner covered tradwives in her book Going Dark. A bit missed out in this discussion is their 'counselling' practices where 'counsellors' gaslight women by insisting they are doing something wrong. It doesn't matter if their husband is angry , abusive, violent, whatever , it is always the woman's 'fault'. Julia Ebner, despite being under cover and not a tradwife had to leave the channel as she found it so coercive she was beginning to doubt herself. Beware, these are seriously nasty people.

@sharonhines3476 2 ай бұрын

Men can never be wrong, they can only be wronged.

@JugglinJellyTake01 2 ай бұрын

Well Julia Ebner's experience on being 'conselled' within tradwives' was women policing women on the woman always being wrong. The coercion was powerful enough to force her to step away from her undercover investigation in to tradwives. When women coerce each other into accepting abuse it becomes an extremely regressive and toxic environment.

@MZBS639 Ай бұрын

That is so horrible. Is it like with cults that they are no legal steps to do since you kind of agreed to be abused at the beginning? We need to find laws against that. That is truly lifedestroying

@katepanthera7265 14 күн бұрын

That's also the way 'counseling' works for women when they're in high-control patriarchal religions.

@beckhurrell4026 Ай бұрын

Most of us, (women), grow so much between the ages of 20 and 40. Having strict gender roles and a partner who has no interest in evolving with you is a system that will, inevitably, fail.

@mattb8412 2 ай бұрын

When you sit back you realise it’s just some kind of weird modern adult entertainment trad wife cosplay. Instead of saying their blonde and wearing skimpy clothes, it’s the Sunday best and a roast in the oven, same angle different hat.

@loorthedarkelf8353 Ай бұрын

I wonder who encouraged those two images for women, and the idea that they are binary choices.

@mattb8412 Ай бұрын

Good gravy, I imagine the list is pretty long for that one.

@ennuiblue4295 Ай бұрын

@@loorthedarkelf8353 Madonna/Wh0re Complex

@dannyb2783 25 күн бұрын

@@loorthedarkelf8353 Men right? You're going to blame this on men? Women have no agency whatsoever, huh? If thats true, maybe TradWife is the way to go.

@starsiegeRoks 13 күн бұрын

@@dannyb2783i can feel the bitterness oozing from this comment. Who hurt you? Yes, traditionally the enforcers of traditional lifestyles have been wealthy men in positions of power, i mean look at who is encouraging "going back to core family values", rich older men in suits with beer guts.

@IcyKitty 2 ай бұрын

But if these influencers are supposed to be "Tradwives" then why are they working at all even on social media? That is taking time away from their family, right?

@heat420_7 2 ай бұрын

funny how the logic works, right? :D

@raistlin3462 2 ай бұрын

"Do as I say, not as I do."

@PyrrhicPax 2 ай бұрын

Lmao being a social media influencer isn't a job, it's a hobby.

@Pickn4Gold 2 ай бұрын

Because their misogynistic partners know cute women doing anything in a ditzy way, with a lil cleavage, will draw in pervs who will donate when asked or flirted with a bit. It's why most OnlyFans girls learn 4Chan lingo, that's the customers who are desperate enough to watch a live stream 24/7 and donate when asked. (Don't attack the messenger, I've spent most nights since 2016 in Trumpy bars learning about them and flipping who I could away from MAGA.)

@kmick8108 2 ай бұрын

Phyllis Schlafly told women to stay home and obey while she went to law school. She helped get Reagan elected.

@keithbaker7097 2 ай бұрын

You want trad wives? Give us back our wage to inflation ratio, retirement and pensions. Try doing that first, then we'll talk. No? Ok then

@meustrus7056 Ай бұрын

They think trad wives will give us back those things, because women in the workplace lined up historically with the beginning of wage stagnation. But, it also lined up with the end of unions...driven by bigots refusing to be in a union with poc and women. I'm hopeful the progressive all-inclusive unionization movement today will give us back those things, if it's allowed to grow and flourish over the next decade.

@burpolicious 10 күн бұрын

No deal there either. Fine for the guys, but I'm not going back. I have my own retirement to think about same as you. I am not livestock, whatever inflation is doing. .

@bobhanson1037 2 ай бұрын

Weird how alt right don't promote being a stay at home dad, but instead push women to do it. How you can tell its just sexism at play instead of just family values.

@alexj-t2331 2 ай бұрын

Can’t have the men be too attached to their kids or they won’t keep working at a proper line go up pace

@GlennKurusu 2 ай бұрын

@@alexj-t2331, by, “proper go up pace,” I presume that you mean, “proper grow-up pace,” right? Not all people should be part of a nuclear family, and not all women “belong in the kitchen.” I don’t want to have the responsibility of a “traditional” man, if it means upholding cruel views.

@alexj-t2331 2 ай бұрын

@@GlennKurusuline go up as in the companies that these breadwinners work for seeing them as another cog in the machine, an expendable resource, in other words they must constantly make more profit for their bosses and shareholders and be alienated from the true value of their work and at the expense of their rights type of line go up

@Pickn4Gold 2 ай бұрын

@@alexj-t2331 it's more basic than that. Can't have the women interact with men who might make their husband's look like little boys. I have a thing for married MAGA women who are unhappy, and fyi they're all unhappy.

@Pickn4Gold 2 ай бұрын

@@alexj-t2331 no, they can't have their wives possibly meet a better man and regret her current hubby who doesn't try. If they don't leave the house, where would they meet the other guy?

@coltranegetz 2 ай бұрын

As a guy I love making things and doing stuff like taking 5 hour to make gum. I’m seen as a “renaissance” man for this. It is crazy to me that people don’t see the weird double standard where I’m eclectic and cool for spending time doing that versus women like this are told yeah that’s what you women do. The extreme side being trad wives. This is why feminism is just human rights I get irritated the cookies I make for my kids are always credited to my wife . But also in reverse the shaming my wife’s got when at work I mentioned doing g my laundry and they were so angry she didn’t do it for me. Ugh I give up hopefully that makes sense in not making sense haha

@BaronVonQuiply Ай бұрын

I genuinely suspect they can't work the washer and dryer and think it requires special training and not... a button.

@akinyiomer4589 Ай бұрын

Your co-workers and wider society are having such visceral reactions to you doing your family laundry because they're reading all these deeper messages into it that they don't like. For you and your wife you're just living life, doing the household tasks that you genuinely enjoy and are strong at. For you that's baking & stuff. THEY are seeing: why doesn't she play her role like she's supposed to? Why doesn't she know her place? Does she ... *control* you? You know you're meant to control *her* right? Why are you even doing demeaning womens work? You know that damages your masculinity right? That may sound harsh but after years of tip-toeing gently and giving such people the benefit of the doubt; when you dig deep that's truly what is at the core of their disastisfaction. They may not even realise it themselves in such clear terms, but probe them further with the right questioning and that's the answer you'll arrive at.

@Neddoest Ай бұрын

Make gum?

@katepanthera7265 14 күн бұрын

It sounds like the people around you/your wife, are locked into very specific ideas of what men do vs what women do. In truth, I'd probably assume that your wife baked the cookies too; but simply because I've not seen many guys baking! (Except on TV of course, where male cooks are more the norm.) In religious mindsets, it's called 'complementarianism'. The idea that men and women don't do the same things, but that their roles 'complement' each other; that the man is head of household and have jobs, and women take care of the house and raise the kids. Which is a very handy way of not only controlling people psychologically as to what is and isn't 'proper' for their gender role, but also keeps people trapped in a defined box without the option to explore doing things they might like or be interested in, and keeping them from becoming more authentic, rounded people.

@Occam31 2 ай бұрын

Pearl is the nearly 30 yo single woman with no kids she constantly rails against. She’s projecting her own self hatred.

@21972012145525 2 ай бұрын

Who is Pearl

@denkinoms 2 ай бұрын

Don't forget the fact that she is actually a "boss babe". She does her own hiring and her workers come out against her when she fires them. Apparently she's really hard to work with and she underpays her workers and hires mostly black people while having guests like nick fuentes on People also forget that even if they are married and have kids these are not your typical "trad wives" they run whole business and produce, hire their staff and these channels make millions of dollars. they fit the modern day stereotype of the feminist boss babe more any of us do.

@MarkMark-xj9dy Ай бұрын

Isn’t this always the case? All these conservative women telling women to be more traditional… I want to scream “you’re not! Feminism has helped YOU out!” And these trad wives I’ve seen online? All in early 20s, and most NOKids! lol. And making biscuits from scratch… I mean, come on. I know that is very for the camera, but even if you do stay home (there are and always have been stay at home moms- totally valid), we have modern appliances for a reason. I KNOW there are *way* more *us* vs *them* but in the USA, with the red states getting religion into schools, parents taking kids out of public schools to go to religious private schools, etc… it is a little freaky. It’s like women- wake up! Do not fall for this! Ever! Yes, life is hard- it was way harder before feminism. Don’t let this fool you. But the Right has done such a good job talking to men. 🤷‍♀️.

@21972012145525 Ай бұрын

@@MarkMark-xj9dy biscuits from scratch doesn't mean you don't use modern appliances 🙄😂 you're using the term "from scratch" incorrectly. It has to do with the ingredients

@smurxxx0910 Ай бұрын

Pearl is a Russian psyop

@laurataylor8717 2 ай бұрын

I have a conservative, Bible thumping cousin who told me how he believes women need to obey their husband. His current wife is like 10 years older than him. I have no idea how she bought into that situation.

@LordMondegrene Ай бұрын

Senile dementia? Traumatic Brain Injury?

@SinewRending Ай бұрын

*Desperation, perhaps? Some men and women alike are so desperate for someone of the opposite sex in their lives that they'll just settle for whatever. You get what you settle for.*

@ranbummerz729 Ай бұрын

Desperation

@MBJean 18 күн бұрын

She fell into the fear trap

@user-kl5jn4ew4p 2 ай бұрын

I recommend that any women who are considering the tradwife lifestyle read The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan. This book came out in 1963 and exposed the unhappiness of traditional housewives. Modern women who want to be stay at home moms need to know what they are getting into before they do.

@argusburebistus8602 2 ай бұрын

We are not in 1963 is 2024 and this is war against nuclear family

@zhou_sei Ай бұрын

ime, the trick is to have a partner and not a cult boss... open honesty and the pulling of one's own weight around the house can alleviate some of the overwhelming stressors.

@heat420_7 2 ай бұрын

BTW, there is a difference between being a home maker/housewife and being a TRAD wife. they are two distinct things with some overlap. this guest is not talking about being a housewife only. there's nothing wrong with raising your own kid and baking bread from scratch! lmao

@lukeolson5177 2 ай бұрын

False. Ask any capitalist, and they will tell you it's immoral for an able body woman to not have her labor exploited by a corporation. Low birth rates mean that women and undocumented people need to work to make sure that we keep up endless production because capitalism requires it.

@abdalln8554 2 ай бұрын

So much of anti-feminist bs is rubes being so brainrotten they don't understand how freedom works.

@icebergrose8955 2 ай бұрын

Until the marriage breaks down and the wife is left in poverty with no work skills.

@nealrobinson5665 2 ай бұрын

@@icebergrose8955 That's certainly a risk, but it's by no means a certainly. Relationships that are built on mutual trust and respect survive, ones that aren't, don't. Who's working and who's staying home does not have much to do with that.

@icebergrose8955 2 ай бұрын

@@nealrobinson5665 I see your point. If it works for couples great but it's not a risk I'm prepared to take, I won't let my daughter take it either.

@dribrom Ай бұрын

If we look historically: the working class woman has always worked hard and long days. When the "tradwife" first became fashionable in the 17th century it is when the meddle class of merchants start to make some real money. Having a wife at home that didn't work started become a status symbol of success. This is the origin of the "tradwife". Nothing more than what a Mercedes SL 500 is today.

@Tmanaz480 2 ай бұрын

If you think of old-fashioned rural American life, BOTH Parents "stayed home", didn't they? Where's the push for "tradhusbands"? Isnt working for another man unmanly to them?

@ninja1antelope 2 ай бұрын

Trad wife is nothing more that a last ditch effort of late stage capitalism. Flaunting a single income home living in comfort while many cannot make it in multiple incomes. Very much pushed by the religion- the first MLM corporation.

@remnantoftheeye5580 2 ай бұрын

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

@SlickSimulacrum 2 ай бұрын

@@remnantoftheeye5580 , You were talking to yourself apparently... Such pathetic displays of projection.

@outtahere156 2 ай бұрын

"Religion-the first MLM corporation " I' stealing that. It's so spot on.

@arcanineryu 2 ай бұрын

For real. Like it was genuinely all over for the christian cults when durring desegragation times they decided they were more loyal to white supremacy than they were to their deity. The white flight to try and flee people of color moving into the neighborhoods really was the nail in the coffin. Because really, racisim is primarily a tool used by the wealthy and powerful as a union busting and voter suppression tactic. So of course once the billionaires found out how convenient these racist stooges could be, they were never going to let them go again. And billionaires have more than enough resources from their functionally bottomless pockets to spend on propaganda to lead their sheep and feed into any bigotries they have that don't have to do with a prejudice against the wealthy. Exploiting their blind faith to turn these people into a constant wrench in the gears of progress and accountability.

@shereemcardell3352 2 ай бұрын

Same as in the1950s.I came from a blue collar family. We struggled. We sometimes ate the food necessities given by the government, butter, flour, sugar, cheese. We ate only popcorn or spam, just a short period of time. My mom would wear slacks, comfy shoes as she did daily chores, not a dress ,stockings and heels like Donna Reed or mrs. Brady. There were more people who couldn't live the American dream than could.

@atomicgeisha 2 ай бұрын

Sadly these women will eventually find out when their husband trades them in for a younger woman.

@wraynephew6838 2 ай бұрын

look no further than Betty Broderick. She did everything for husband, raise their children until the day the husband traded her in for a younger woman. It drove her insane to the point of murder

@yellowblanka6058 2 ай бұрын

Then they’ll graduate to the “traditional” role of the “kept” wife traded in for a newer model….the neighborhood lush.

@beaniesonna3052 Ай бұрын

They end up as the raging Karens

@MZBS639 Ай бұрын

@@beaniesonna3052now it all makes sense😂

@paganlark7037 Ай бұрын

I recently left corporate America to be a stay at home mom with my two kids (2 and 5). I totally fit the description of what you said a tradwife is, except that I'm extremely liberal. I was born and raised in West LA, and I'm a lifetime Democrat and atheist. I used to be a Product Management Director at a major corporation. It nearly killed me to raise my two kids while working 9-10 hours a day at my high stress corporate job. That was like having two jobs, and working 16 hours a day every day. I gained weight, my cholesterol went up and I was exhausted all the time. Then I got laid off in January and have decided to just stay home with the kids. My life is 1000x better. My cholesterol went down 50 points. My hair started growing back. I feel like I de-aged 10 years. I lived the feminist girl boss mommy dream and it was frankly awful. I just want to have this time with my children. Something is wrong when only the top 1% of income earners can make the choice I did. I don't think it's fair to vilify all stay at home moms who just want to focus on creating domestic value. That should be a legitimate choice for women without all the stigma attached to it.

@tiahnarodriguez3809 Ай бұрын

You are a SAHM. Not a trad-wife. Trad-wife is a lifestyle that is rooted in religion and conservatism. You cannot be liberal and be a trad-wife, but you can be a SAHM. The reason why trad-wives have stigma is because women are often abandoned by their husbands for someone younger , and they and their kids are left homeless and poor. The stigma exists for a reasons.

@rosabellavitaalvarez-calde5836 15 күн бұрын

The "feminist girl boss momy dream" is to have control of our lives, to not have to choose between family and career, and definitely NOT be exploited

@milenaivanova9269 2 күн бұрын

Exactly. Should be a choice. Not dogma

@googlecritic2773 Ай бұрын

My mom married in 1978 because she wanted this life And she had it - didn’t have to work and had me one year later My father was very abusive, cheated on her, and used her as an emotional punching bag She told me she can’t leave him because she’s bound to him financially Now he’s 70 and they rely on his pension plan He struts his stuff all over the beach and calls all his widowed neighbors his “girlfriends” ~~ I decided at a young age I did NOT want this for myself Got myself educated, got my masters and learned a second language Now I work for the government When I’m in my 60s I’m planning to retire and live off my own pension plan I’ll strut my stuff on the beach and get a boyfriend lol I’m kidding about the last two points But hey - why not??

@catpaladin1 3 күн бұрын

I grew up feeling like marriage was a trap and I didn’t want to be trapped. I got an education and just never felt the need to be married. I chose not to have children but raised children that came with longer term relationships. My profession also had me working with many children as well as adults - that pulled some mothering parts of me. I do not regret my choices. I don’t feel trapped. 😂

@catpaladin1 3 күн бұрын

And yes - have fun with boyfriends - just make sure they aren’t using you 😂

@katehickman4908 Күн бұрын

Same

@ListenToPowerViolence 2 ай бұрын

This phenomenon reminds me of the women who fall in love with and marry people in prison for life. A lot of people are attracted to psychopathy like conservatism or a serial killer.

@MsTranScribr 2 ай бұрын

A phenomenon and mindset that I truly do not understand.

@Pickn4Gold 2 ай бұрын

Not a bad comparison. Personally I find it interesting we don't talk about how our society is trying to create sociopaths to be business leaders, but a lot of people can't be that cold so they break in the middle with psychopaths who lose control easier like a child throwing a tantrum. I read a study a decade or so ago that mentions a vast majority of corporate boards would be diagnosed as sociopathic(whatever the valid diagnosis is, I'm not in the field). They're cold, calculated, dismissive, goal focused, and power hungry aka CEOs for any Fortune 500 company. We're so capitalistic that we bred and taught our kids to be little monsters for money, and they learned if they're rich enough they don't have to see poverty again because they'll never go to those parts of town.

@Letnothinggotowaste 2 ай бұрын

Ouch!

@christophergreen6595 2 ай бұрын

@@Pickn4Gold like war making us all fascists, capitalism tries to make us all sociopathic. I think about that a lot too.

@MZBS639 Ай бұрын

@@Pickn4Goldso true.

@heat420_7 2 ай бұрын

More stuff like this, please, TMR. There is a huge lack of understanding of how insidious the movement can be.

@coachtaewherbalife8817 2 ай бұрын

I see couples complaining they don't have enough money to make ends meet. I don't see couples where women can afford to stay at home.

@oldishandwoke-ish1181 2 ай бұрын

Well quite. At root, the Far Right is about propping up neoliberalism ...... which is the reason both parents are working all the hours God sends just to survive.

@nekoiza4190 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, this idea mainly serves to legitimize dudes with money abusing women. And indirectly promotes mysoginistic ideas for the average couple. It's similar to how some working people see themselves as temporarily embarrased millionares and justify the exploitative practices of some companies

@fighttheevilrobots3417 Ай бұрын

Hey. I'm a leftist and I'm also a stay at home mom. I was an educator for 15 years. We exist.

@nekoiza4190 Ай бұрын

@@fighttheevilrobots3417 of course you exist, it's just that it's not very common. And nothing wrong with being a stay at home mom or dad either, it's the idealization and reasoning conservatives use that's wrong

@tiahnarodriguez3809 Ай бұрын

@@nekoiza4190 I’ve read online of women whose husbands make $50k say they make it work which is nuts to me because they also have several children. Imo, this lifestyle is so risky that it’s not worth it unless the man makes a lot of money and he puts you on assets, his retirement plan, and gives you a legitimate allowance that is for your personal use away from paying bills.

@adamaenosh6728 Ай бұрын

It will be interesting 20 years from now when the children of these tradwives start speaking out about their experience being raised by them

@AstroXeno 2 ай бұрын

Pearl isn't married. She also publicly laments no longer being a virgin.

@alexj-t2331 2 ай бұрын

She also speaks when she believes that women should get no opinions

@LordMondegrene Ай бұрын

Does that make her a "brazen hussy", or a "filthy slattern"? There's a lot of terminology to learn...

@benjamindavis2475 Ай бұрын

So sad. I'm glad i don't have that kind of guilt in my life

@smurxxx0910 Ай бұрын

Pearl needs to get back in the kitchen.

@MZBS639 Ай бұрын

How does her head Not explode with so much cognitive dissonance@@alexj-t2331

@Dr.Beetlejuice110 2 ай бұрын

I just dont understand why men are lining up for this. As a man, i dont want to be a workhorse for anyone. I want a balanced life, a life that i am at peace with. The capitalistic form of dating and relationships and other contexts is in direct confrontation to the man and the value of "being". So when people tell men "to just be" they don't know how to do that and how to be at peace within themselves. Theres always something else to chase or conqure or discipline yourself. Its very destructive way to live that preaches you have to be miserable in order to provide for your family or just survive on very little which the data is showing is becoming increasingly harder to do. More men need to become against this stuff.

@rosabellavitaalvarez-calde5836 15 күн бұрын

They think they want to be Don Draper, with the glam and beautiful SAHM, the home and kids. They leave out the part where Betty the wife was miserable and bored, and where Don medicated his own misery with alcohol, cigarettes and sleeping with women who did not look or feel as miserable as Betty. Or the fact that Don was a workaholic who avoided being home. They also leave out the part where Joan was so desperate to be a wife and SAHM that she marries her rapist, and realizes that she loves her work. Even Mad Men was showing the reality of trad families back then.

@lrock48 2 ай бұрын

They also failed to realize majority of the people doesn't make enough money to support the kind of lifestyle they depicted in that movement.

@girlinahat3407 2 ай бұрын

Yea it's all very "ascetic" driven, it's an image of a dream of a nolstagic notion. It's not real it's a fantasy.

@kathleentrinity7367 24 күн бұрын

It's one thing for a woman to stay home to raise children and practice home arts at her choice, but it's tragic for teen girls to be raised with no other prospects. In the '60s many teen girls were discouraged from careers of their choice or were led to believe they had less to offer. Making them feel they must be submissive is a crime.

@jebbrown5961 2 ай бұрын

Online trad wife influencers create affluence porn. One must be quite well off to make bread from scratch daily and live on one income.

@vg7985 2 ай бұрын

Men often don’t know and don’t care about cost of living. They think that $20 should cover two weeks of steak dinners for family of four, and after two weeks he will ask for change. You should’ve left something, right?

@nsbd90now 2 ай бұрын

@@vg7985 What a ridiculous comment.

@yellowblanka6058 2 ай бұрын

@@vg7985Huh? What are you even talking about, myself and every man I know are acutely aware of the cost of groceries, rent/mortgage etc. - it sounds like you’re talking about 14 year old boys, not men.

@vg7985 2 ай бұрын

@@yellowblanka6058 just personal experience. Father gives his daughter $2 to go to movies and “ get popcorn too”. Father pays $50/ month child support and complains how he pays for his wife’s and kids lavish lifestyle. Husband demands party for 20 people and gives $40. Yeah, it’s real.

@smurxxx0910 Ай бұрын

$20 for two weeks of steak? Take my money and get the store lady.

@tulipchic34 20 күн бұрын

I didn’t work for a couple of years. Some of that was maternity leave then I got a redundancy so I had extra $$ to stay home longer. I enjoyed that time with my children as I had a baby and my other daughter was starting school. I had company of other mothers and was able to be involved in my daughters first year of school. In saying that there is no way I could keep being a SAHM. As my youngest was ready for day care I was ready to get back to work. Not just for contributing to household finances but also my own mental health. Lucky I keep working as my husband ended up with a gambling addict and we split when my youngest was 11. I was able to refinance the house a start again.

@deathvalleydavid 2 ай бұрын

I worked with plenty of ex-trad wives, who had been cheated on by their trad husbands, who left them for their trad girlfriends, thus abandoning their trad families. It wasn’t pretty watching these totally unprepared women try to support their children. They were bitter, yet didn’t fault the trad background they’d come from.

@missinterpretation4984 2 ай бұрын

Because Pearl just hates women. That’s what keeps her on the outskirts because even red pill men want women, they just want to demean them. And the trad/christian arm of the movement pretends that oppressing women is for their own good. So Pearl clashes with the whole trad side. And the guys like to hear her bash women but at the end of the day they still want women so Pearl is left out.

@cbaker8628 2 ай бұрын

Pearl is such a joke! Even the right points out the fact that she enjoys pretending to be an expert on relationships yet can’t get a man of her own.

@annmarieknapp 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, but men don't like Pearl. She is biggest Pick me I have ever seen and there are no interested takers. 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

@DannyWilliamH 2 ай бұрын

The "Pick Me" that no man will pick, lol. Pearl's entire shtick is such a self-own.

@jschnabes13 2 ай бұрын

That's because she is a grotesque freak in all aspects.

@wraynephew6838 2 ай бұрын

@@DannyWilliamH who is pearl?

@lealmelisa 2 ай бұрын

Coming from a ultra right religious home, i know my mother adopted these right wing ideas because she needed to show that she was such a saint, like we say in Colombia, show that "she doesn't brake a plate".They have done some bad stuff or they are currentlty doing something they can be punished for so they go all the way in judgment and pointing fingers. My mother was so lazy, she didn't want to work or even clean the house, she was the worst mother, but she needed to have and have babies so she could always be this eternal lady who suffers and needed help.

@yellowblanka6058 2 ай бұрын

Usually the most sanctimonious people are in reality the worst people. It’s all projection.

@rawlsrules 2 ай бұрын

Ms. Vigeland: thank you for this. I am 72 and learn a lot about current culture from your shows.

@jacklanham7311 12 күн бұрын

As a man I would much rather have a woman want me than need me. To me that means everyone is happy.

@noheroespublishing1907 2 ай бұрын

"For the history of the 20th Century, you can take the word Fascism and replace it with Catholic Right Wing and you don't have to change a thing." - Christopher Hitchens (On Fascism and Religion)

@SuperStella1111 2 ай бұрын

He was wrong. He meant Protestant.

@Jd-808 2 ай бұрын

People have gotta stop quoting Hitchens on religion.

@patchwurk6652 2 ай бұрын

@@Jd-808 Once he stops being correct about organized religion I'm sure the quotes will stop.

@JenniferRusso5 2 ай бұрын

Protestant and Catholic.

@brandillysmom 2 ай бұрын

@@JenniferRusso5 Fundamentalist leaning Catholics and Protestants

@GoodGolly.MissLolly 2 ай бұрын

I recently watched a video about the trad wife movement and there was a particular video of a woman making ice cream for her husband being analysed. This was my first experience of viewing these videos, even though I have actually heard about them before, and I was surprised how overtly sexualised she was being. She spoke in a hushed, breathy tone, her hand movements were slow and alluring, the video kept showing her looking wistfully at what she was doing … she was clearly doing it all on purpose. I guessed pretty quickly that she was playing to the men who watch her videos. How does that fit exactly with a “traditional” wife ethos??

@tiahnarodriguez3809 Ай бұрын

The breathy voice is known as the “fundy baby” voice, and all of these read-wives are basically making pron for conservatives. Their comment sections are full of men complaining that their wives don’t do stuff like this, praising the lady for catering to her man like a woman should, etc. When in reality the lady is a content creator who makes similar or more than her husband, and once the camera is off she isn’t catering anything. She has a nanny, maid, etc. who work for her.

@tiahnarodriguez3809 Ай бұрын

@MZBS639 Ай бұрын

It fits perfectly, the tradwife is also a sexobject, a cookobject, achildbearingvehicle, a housecleaningmachine. The less human the better

@billybobfreestyle3 Ай бұрын

Please do an episode on how the private school voucher system in America is leaching public funds from public schools. How are public schools funded? What makes one public school more successful than another? How has public school quality been impacted by the private school vouchers being used to send normally abled children to religious private schools? Wasn't the voucher system meant to fund tuition for kids with special needs and children who live in areas without public schools?

@theodorehartman5086 Ай бұрын

I was thinking about the trad wife or traditional wife and how and why that terminology came about. The "traditional" wife came about because women had no rights. Women could not vote. Women could not own a business. Women were treated as third class citizens. Women had no say in politics. Women were told to shut up and listen. Women could not hold a conversation around a dinner table. Women were not allowed to have a bank account. Women could not own a home. In order for women to do anything out of the ordinary they had to get written permission from their husbands. The only place that women were allowed to be is in a house, in a kitchen, raising babies. That's all they were good for. So all these descriptions I have made here describe the "traditional woman". This term is dishonest. Whoever assigned the description of a women as a traditional woman is simply covering up the fact that they had no rights and someone was trying to make themselves feel good about how they treated women in the past. Try any of this stuff nowadays with a woman and as the saying goes... F.A.A.F.O.

@edwardwalter3100 2 ай бұрын

Really enjoyed this conversation. Made my housework go by ever much faster while my ever lovin' wife is off making the bacon.

@nsbd90now 2 ай бұрын

With who?

@buschhuhn9197 2 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@stevensica5918 2 ай бұрын

Any company that uses the word PATRIOT or LIBERTY or FREEDOM is a company I try to avoid. For example: Patriot Gold? No Thanks. Patriot flag company? At least that makes sense.

@timothyjohnson5062 Ай бұрын

Agreed.

@laurabustos6560 Ай бұрын

Agreed. I just saw a neighbor of one of my clients hire "patriot contracting". Red white and blue wrap on the truck. No visible maga gear, but still, no thanks. I don't trust anyone who needs to project their supposed love for country that much.

@littlefurrow2437 Ай бұрын

Also, TRUTH. Garunteed bullshit.

@gagaplex Ай бұрын

What I find particularly pernicious is that trad-wife influencers _don't_ actually live that life. Or if they _really_ do, they do so by choice. Which is unlike how countless women are forced into subservient roles in the real world.

@MZBS639 Ай бұрын

Its just a con. Problem are the conned tradwives or mostly Girls who get pregnant and are still children in their heads

@roguecow9632 Ай бұрын

Pearl, who grew up in a 10 bedroom house with a Daddy who supported her until she decided making money eroding women's rights (she says nothing about her Mom) is Way Over the Hill as 15 year olds are what men really want, according to Pearl.

@tiahnarodriguez3809 Ай бұрын

That’s cuz her mom works, and has advocated for women’s rights at the UN or some organization like that.

@cosmosofinfinity 2 ай бұрын

Anyone being convinced to put themselves in chains is just the saddest thing to me. This is grooming

@Desertdog282 Ай бұрын

Yeah, go be a wage slave for some boss for 55k a year instead. Very liberating.

@meebzilla 11 күн бұрын

Back in the late 70s early 80s when I was a young married woman I had what I learned would be the only child I would ever be able to conceive. I put all my energy and focus on the baby and my husband, believing I'd be a SAHM after his birth. He was premature and had tons of issues, nearly dying several times in his first year, including his first night. My husband made plenty of money to support us without a second income and I was perfectly happy and content taking care of the baby and the house and my marriage. Unfortunately my husband insisted I go back to work when the sickly baby was only 6 weeks old. My job at the time wasn't even a career, I was a cashier in a supermarket. He literally forced me to go back to work which in turn drove me to pursuing a better education and career and ultimately we were divorced. Later I'd hear the far right blaming "women's lib" for ruining society. If he hadn't forced me to work a menial job I wouldn't have obtained a graduate degree and raised my son alone. Now he's old and bitter and still blaming me.

@alexdaugherty7472 Ай бұрын

How are these women being tradwives if they spend their time doing programs on the internet. Running a business from home is still being in business. They are spending a lot of their time not being a tradwife. It is a misnomer. Just because you are at working at home doesn't mean you are traditional. The trend is often moving towards working at home overall for the workforce. How can women put themselves down like this.

@rosieE121 Ай бұрын

Traditionalist ideas have some pie-in-the-sky idea that if they stay home like June Cleaver did then husbands would automatically be able to get that high paying job, pay all the bills, fund vacations, and come home on schedule to take over the housekeeping and child rearing so wife could go out for a much needed break. No divorce because he is so concerned about wife's and children's well-being. Sure.

@gghhiiyy456 12 күн бұрын

So they’re telling other women to be quiet? What if their husband told them to stop being an influencer?

@sumiland6445 Ай бұрын

6:05 problem with the "traditional family" is that women and children are trapped in very abusive households. I know. I grew up in one.

@IAmNumber4000 2 ай бұрын

Year 1: "OMG you guys! Being a tradwife is so fun and trendy!" Year 5: "Wait a minute. My husband is just abusive"

@outtahere156 2 ай бұрын

Year 10: My body is unacceptable to him from having so many kids. Year 15: after he left me for a younger model, I'm in dire poverty with no place to live.

@BaronVonQuiply Ай бұрын

Year 16: "The is all THE LEFT™'S fault!"

@tiahnarodriguez3809 Ай бұрын

@@outtahere156 Year 20: on Tik Tok. “I was a trad-wife and it ruined my life. Please don’t do what I did”.

@Winspur1982 2 ай бұрын

This is not new. Goebbels (who was "chronically online" in the sense that he was obsessed with ranting on the radio and moviemaking) began several of his speeches with "German women, German men," talking to the housewives of Germany first and foremost. Making and canning sauerkraut all day from the limited supplies they could get at the produce stores, etc. There is nothing original or innovative about this subculture.

@elkekerr9680 26 күн бұрын

Trad wife has become part of the Permaculture scene in some circles as well

@billybigwig1154 2 ай бұрын

Left is best.

@dfgt-su9ki 2 ай бұрын

and sexy!

@QuilishWammy 2 ай бұрын

Except on election day, obviously 😉 When the election comes, the Majority Report will tell you to vote for the corporate centrist zionist Biden😉

@Dmol8 2 ай бұрын

For those of you not familiar with it there were two Gamergates: The Quinspiracy and the Literally Who movement. The Alt Right that helped elect Trump was born from the Literally Who movement and their focus on Men's Rights to be Men. The Quinspiracy was deeply transphobic from the start and it is the Alt Right born from them that is currently in power in the GOP.

@fernandoalegria4240 2 ай бұрын

Tread wife? We had that, and then we gave it all away. Elevator operator could afford a home. Wife stayed home, husband union. Public schools envy of the world. Tax rate as high as 90%, we didn't want a hereditary upper class. And then came Ronald Reagan. The rest is history.

@buckeyewill2166 2 ай бұрын

Reaganomics and Reaganism trashed this country.

@nsbd90now 2 ай бұрын

@@buckeyewill2166 Over a half-century of stagnant and declining wage because the trickle-down didn't raise all the boats like they promised. In essence, working Americans haven't had even a COLA raise for an entire working/career lifespan, and are actually making LESS money year after year after year.

@sisuguillam5109 Ай бұрын

You assume the wives didn't work. Quite often they did, taking in sewing, mending, piece work, went out into factories etc pp.

@LordMondegrene Ай бұрын

BINGO.

@fernandoalegria4240 Ай бұрын

@@sisuguillam5109 The point is they didn't have to.

@Melggart 2 ай бұрын

This always being about choice and consent, when there is a way out things rarely get too bad. This is why even if someone wants to be a housewife, she should have a backup plan so if the situation gets bad she can leave and still have a decent life. Even good partners can get sick or die. The worst part is that extends to the rest of life, such as homelessness being using as a threat to keeep people in horrible jobs.

@MaryDeanDotCom Ай бұрын

Nearly every tradwife narrative ends the same way: “…And then I discovered I wasn’t young and beautiful anymore, and my husband strayed (or died), and he had hidden (or spent) all the money, and I have no job or life skills except baking yeast bread…” Surprise! Nevertheless, I AM curious to know how the successful tradwife KZfaqr deals with having an income many times higher than her husband. Does she lovingly place it all into his manly hands?

@kmick8108 2 ай бұрын

Mike Johnson's wife has a weird baby voice.

@alexj-t2331 2 ай бұрын

As is tradition

@timothymaguire4248 2 ай бұрын

It’s actually a cultural thing - google fundie baby voice - they cultivate that tone

@stevensica5918 2 ай бұрын

The Least of what bothers me about this Xtian Zionist dupe of Bibi & Company?

@sisuguillam5109 Ай бұрын

She is 'keeping sweet'. It is part of the performance and 'proof of faith'.

@loorthedarkelf8353 Ай бұрын

This topic is culturally facinating to me. See, I became a military spouse in 2011, and the Tradwife culture is so strong It Is Assumed that is the life you will live. Hell, in 2011 the Family Readiness Group still called itself The Wives' Club. Every event the FRG sponsored assumed - You are a woman - You have children - You are desperate for human contact unburdened by your children Which, granted, I'm sure is great for the moms in the group-- BUT THAT DOESN'T COVER EVERYONE AND ALIENATES THOSE WITHOUT KIDS WHO ARE ALSO DESPERATE FOR COMMUNITY. If you're married to a career service member, you will move every 3 years or only see your spouse when they take leave. Most young folk choose the move, cutting them off from friends and family and making the FRG their only surefire social space where some basic respect for their existance will be maintained. I am not a woman. I was born with a vulva, I did grow breasts, but when people engage me As A Woman the assumptions they make about me Are Wrong, and I get to spend that conversation correcting those assumptions and tanking personal attacks in the process. "Where are your kids?" Is the first question I get asked in these spaces. Not "Do you have kids?" But "Where are they?" When I was young and nieve I told them the same thing I told my parents: "I have no interest in birthing or rearing children, and the sounds young children make are actively distressing to me to the point of both physical and psychological pain. Raising a child Would Be Torture For Me." Of course, like my parents, they never let me finish speaking. They interrupt me at I Have No Interest and try to persuade me. I have a low tolorance for persuasion when the person attempting it has failed to hear me. Much like my school career, my time with the FRG is tense and full of interpersonal moments that made it clear I would not be welcome unless I conformed to expectations. So I withdrew. Seeing the things that so many tried and failed to force upon me spilling over into the main stream is equal parts distressing and validating.

@ejm57301 Ай бұрын

My mom went to one FRG meeting when I was deployed (Guard). She said "They are a bunch of catastrophisers! They'd sit around and think of all the ways you were going to be killed.". She didn't participate after that.

@TwisterTornado Ай бұрын

...thanks for reminding me about the sound. Sometimes, I almost think...and then I remember that I have thrown a shoe at a yowling cat. No, I have no patience. Better not.

@Marlenkaminta 2 ай бұрын

I think my brain can't help it anymore, but the minute someone says 'female', it brings immediate redpill/rightwing flavor.

@PyrrhicPax 2 ай бұрын

If you think just using the word "female" is "right wing" coded...you need to see mental health doctor. The word itself is not remotely political in any way possibly conceivable to the sound mind.

@ExtremeMadnessX 2 ай бұрын

Ferengi from Star Trek...

@christophergreen6595 2 ай бұрын

"Feeeeeeeemales" :p

@down-to-earth-mystery-school 2 ай бұрын

Female is the biological sex assigned at birth, it’s a scientific term.

@TricksterEra 2 ай бұрын

@@PyrrhicPax It is outside a medical context I've noticed the people who say it tend to have weird/shitty views. It's like if women started saying males constantly instead of men/guys etc.

@samuelrosander1048 2 ай бұрын

22:55 That hit home. I was raised Mormon. It feels really benevolent and good until you break away from it and learn that it's really just like Mike Johnson on a large scale. They've got a nasty history with the John Birch Society that I didn't even learn about until >30 years of living as one, and only then because by that time I had realized that hating myself for being human was just making life miserable. It also came as a shock to me that they were so anti-communist given the things they preach about helping everyone etc, but after the initial shock things started making some sense...and I started finding out more. Mormonism is insidious. I get that all religions tend to be, but still.

@pronoun171 2 ай бұрын

I wish TMR had on guests that talked about how misogynistic video game communities continue to be. It’s horrible, these kids build echo chambers that genuinely hate women,. It’s so dangerous

@benjamindavis2475 Ай бұрын

That's true. Video games don't really have anything to do with it, it's just incel shutins who have too much free time and too little human interaction. I blame their parents.. They need social skills and to spend time outside with friends, male and female

@StonedMagician99 Ай бұрын

Not all gaming communities. I'm a gamer, and the idea of tradwives kinda makes me sick.

@jeanneselix7372 15 күн бұрын

If you want to be a housewife, be one, if you want to be a professional woman, be one. You CAN be whatever you choose, it's not up to men to choose who we are or what we are. We are all perfectly capable of making our own decisions. We can raise children, run a household, run a business, run for office, be the Vice President, or be President and run a country. To each her own, and we can do all these things while being pregnant, if some men think that they can keep us down, well it's too late, the gene is out of the bottle.

@DougMen1 Ай бұрын

I just saw a very funny IG post, showing a guy at a white board that says- MENopause, MENstrual cramps, MENtal illness, MENtal breakdown. You ever notice that all your problems start with men? 😂🤣🤪

@jacquelineleitch7050 2 ай бұрын

Famously Margaret Thatcher used to cook supper for her favourites every week and whip them into shape. She was also anti-feminist.

@sisuguillam5109 Ай бұрын

She also did this on the back of a non-feminin degree. The milk-snatcher went to Oxford. Thatcher studied chemistry at Somerville College, Oxford, and worked briefly as a research chemist before becoming a barrister.

@dragonwithagirltattoo598 Ай бұрын

Well I’m a stay home wife and I’m as liberal as you can be. My husband has a good job and I didn’t want to leave my kids to be raised by other people as I came from a home where my mom had to work all of the time. I wanted to be home with my family because it was what I always wanted when I was a child. I’m all for people doing whatever the heck they choose to do. I support the lgbtq community. I think you can be a so called traditional wife and still be open minded. I am.

@tiahnarodriguez3809 Ай бұрын

This isn’t the main issue. It’s about what happens if your marriage ends if something happens to your husband. Do you have anything in your name? Did your husband set up financial measures in place for you? Or do you have nothing which will affect you and your kid’s quality of life. This is the main argument that people make against trad-wives and what makes it such a dangerous lifestyle for women and their children.

@rosabellavitaalvarez-calde5836 15 күн бұрын

There is a difference between being a "trad wife" and an SAHM who cannot afford childcare, who is burnt out from her career, and has independent wealth and/,or partner who makes plenty of money. You are a liberal SAHM with resources and this, choices

@shellibelli4387 17 күн бұрын

I just read an essay on the Heritage Foundation’s website called “PaPa Pete’s Patriarchy.” The author reminisces about the good old days of his family’s patriarch. He bemoans the devaluing of patriarchs which, he says, has led to men feeling their participation in the family is not valued. He says, “[…] restoring patriarchy, and piety, is central to the conservative project.”

@eazhar 2 ай бұрын

Hannah Alonzo did a great video recently breaking down how fake and performative a lot of the trad wife influencers are.

@gothgod 2 ай бұрын

For a chilling movie on the subject of the alt right and INCELs see the film " Don't Worry Darling " The film shows what these men and women think the role of women ought to be and it appears to be a appears to be a false nostalgic view of the 1950s .

@TheBahzz 2 ай бұрын

18:37 Pearl isn’t married, nor has had any long romantic relationship in her life according to her youth friend, j aubrey has a great vid on her grifting experience

@chrisadams27 Күн бұрын

Oh the horrors of traditional wives. Imagine taking care of your kids that you made!

@mathildejensen3285 Ай бұрын

These people are scared that they are loosing their status in society - so others way of thinking, living and being is a threat to them. They are scared of being insignificant. But women have worth in so many ways, they are capable of so many things and don't have to reduce themselves to just being housewives and mothers to live meaningful lives. If your only ambition in live is to be a wife and mother that is fine, but it often comes at a price. You're financial dependant on your husband, you get very little credit for what you're doing, unpaid and unappreciated housework, you dont earn a pension or rank up numbers of years spent on the job market, so you are able to advance and get a better pay check. And if he divorce you for a younger model, unless you've got a special agreement, he has paid all the bills - the house, the car,etc. and you end up with nothing.

@shereemcardell3352 2 ай бұрын

They want the country to time travel back to the 1950s??

@zcorpalpha2462 2 ай бұрын

I don’t know 🤷‍♂️, my grandmother was very happy

@LordMondegrene Ай бұрын

1850's.

@shereemcardell3352 Ай бұрын

Yes, men Ive been around talk about the wild west as if they would love to be there. For them happiness lies in the past. They would rather go backwards than forwards.

@JasmineTea127 12 күн бұрын

More like the 1800’s. 😅

@MoGhotbi Ай бұрын

Ask the women of Afghanistan how they like the Trad Wife Life.

@rosabellavitaalvarez-calde5836 15 күн бұрын

Many women would be ok being "trad wives" if they had their own wealth and resources, so divorce or being cheated on is not the end of the world, because they do not depend on a man for money. They also would be ok if men were "trad husbands" in the financial sense -they all made plenty of money- and most importantly, if life was more affordable (in the 1950s if you were white, you could have a cheap good house which cost less than your car). That is why I believe that most trad wives online are just doing costume play

@dannyb2783 25 күн бұрын

Sad that some women would rather be Stepford Wives than have the will and drive to go there own way.

@JasmineTea127 12 күн бұрын

In the end being a Stepford wife seems like so much more work than choosing your own path. You are choosing a career, but one as a servant where your needs come last and you don’t get paid 😅

@kurtpittman7225 2 ай бұрын

I play a decent amount of video games and it's still bizarre to me hearing gamergate even referenced as a thing. It always felt so contrived and pathetic that I couldn't tell if it was a joke or not for the longest time. Such a sad attempt to paint themselves as aggrieved over the least consequential shit.

@BaronVonQuiply Ай бұрын

To the point that _"It's about ethics in video game journalism!"_ is a literal joke on par with _"I had the biggest inauguration crowd of all time! PERIOD!!! STOP LAUGHING!"_

@mudi2000a Ай бұрын

Gamergate oh yeah … wasn’t Brianna Wu also a part of it, who has now become a horrible ultrazionist?

@lyssiez 2 ай бұрын

ok here me out - both parents are part time, get to advanced their career(and spend time with adult peers) + bond with their children. ofc this would require healthcare not being tied to employment 🙃 it will never happen but it seems more civilized

@21972012145525 2 ай бұрын

It's impossible to find a well paying part-time job. I'm still trying

@gojurra Ай бұрын

I have studied far right males and females for over 30 years up close and personal, embedded in their world - I could write an entire encyclopedia series on them. "Tradwives" are just a small and temporary subset of the white conservative population that is in the process of evolving into a larger swath of opportunists that won't resemble the original tradwife in the near future.

@hypatia4754 8 күн бұрын

This whole scene is Narc Central.

@jonscrivner9087 Ай бұрын

I'm skeptical of anyone telling and trying to force others how to live in a society of freedom. Live your own life and keep your nose out of other's lives. It's a full-time job.

@somedude2677 Ай бұрын

Right?! Who cares if someone’s a serial killer or pedo!?! Mind your business! That’s the thing, people are wayyy too into peoples lives, i don’t think we should even know how much politicians make! We need to mind our damn business. We should never question our bosses lavish luxury purchases, as it’s their money, and WE NEED TO MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS! We should never look into peoples pasts when they apply for a job, because we need to mind our business. I could go onnnn and onn… avg IQ in the US is 97 and people like you are a constant reminder

@targaghjj Ай бұрын

So, I'm intrigued. Given that the audience for tradwives is mostly men and given that the vast majority of online men lack the ability to put in the effort and the social networking skills to actually acquire a tradwife, is the goal to keep men in a state of perpetual dissatisfaction, resentment, paranoia and anger?

@itcouldbelupus2842 Ай бұрын

Yes. Once they get fed up enough to want to lash out violently they become even more useful for the alt right, they might join a militia or something worse

@denkinoms 2 ай бұрын

It's funny because they portray this stay at home mom who is happier letting the husband be the breadwinner. It's all an illusion because they are the boss babes those videos make a ton of money and the editing and filming takes more time than people think especially when they are planning and editing these long vlogs and they are also selling products. they are the real breadwinner and the husband is usually just along for the ride. If they are really about that life they wouldn't be on the internet 😂

@tyrreloneal5178 2 ай бұрын

5:03 you mean now?! Last year?! Two years ago?! Three years ago?! Covid never ended; the virus rages on! Get this part right, PLEASE!! 🙏🏿🙏🏿

@mk-oc7mt 2 ай бұрын

I feel like creators like Nara Smith have caught strays from the anti trad wife backlash. It’s fair to criticize trad wife lifestyle, especially when they are political, but there are so many folks out there just enjoying life making content about stuff they love like cooking. As a leftist I’m glad when people have the space to pursue their passions. It’s not that weird to make bread and garden to be honest. Feels a bit racist when a bunch of white women go after Nara Smith.

@annalinepillay6387 2 ай бұрын

She's actually cool and is a model. She got bad eczema, and I think that is the reason she made her own food.

@sharonhines3476 2 ай бұрын

Her content is not reality. She makes income from the personna she's putting out. A normal woman, married with no income of her own, is not leading the "pretty" life she's living. It's trad wife soft porn. I find all those type videos eye-rolling. It's so phony.

@sisuguillam5109 Ай бұрын

You seriously think what?

@katepanthera7265 14 күн бұрын

Does the trad wife movement push women to have a lot of kids? If it does and these women are 'red-pilled', I wonder if there's an intersection between having lots of kids and the 'great replacement theory, esp in the more religious and christian nationalist arenas. Really informative show. Thanks.

@kathosim501 19 сағат бұрын

I am an outspoken feminist liberal who is politically active and not religious, and I am not working while I care for kid and elderly father… and I like baking bread, knitting, sewing, etc. I’m not doing it to influence anybody or appeal to men… these women give women a bad name. Ugh. Don’t ruin my hobbies!

@indyactivist 2 ай бұрын

Why do so many people now say "woman" when they mean "women?"

@heat420_7 2 ай бұрын

perhaps they are saying "women" but pronouncing it "wooo-men" instead of "wi-men"? that's all i can come up with.

@thewordsmithsdaughter 2 ай бұрын

My daughter pointed this out to me and it is a real thing 😮

@abracadaverous 2 ай бұрын

Maybe it's easier for certain people to think of women as product prototypes instead of whole human beings with their own thoughts and desires.

@middleagebrotips3454 2 ай бұрын

Because not everyone has perfect pronunciation and you are reading too hard into things?

@brandillysmom 2 ай бұрын

@@abracadaverous Because their brains can’t process past the “need” for permanent caregivers/cheerleaders with benefits.

@phlipsburg 2 ай бұрын

I’ve noticed a masssive uptick in women wearing weird flowery Mennonite looking dresses and I can’t help but feel like it’s not a coincidence

@kmick8108 2 ай бұрын

Some are wearing 'milkmaid' dresses too

@Jd-808 2 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s not a coincidence, they look good so people wear them

@alexj-t2331 2 ай бұрын

@@Jd-808I agree I think it’s become a micro fashion trend that’s cousins with cottagecore. It’s probably a genuine movement but easy for the right to slither into

@Jd-808 2 ай бұрын

@@alexj-t2331 Are you saying that if it comes from Tumblr or whatever, that’s “genuine”? My point is more that if you view a woman wearing a dress as some kind of attack on your identity, you’ve lost.

@21972012145525 2 ай бұрын

It's called cottage core. Gained popularity during COVID because we're sick of pants

@alv134mommy 25 күн бұрын

About five or six years ago, I started seeing ladies showing up wearing head coverings, and I at first was like oh that’s kind of cool, that’s how it was when my great grandmother went to church as a kid, and then I saw them with like 10 kids in town and I was like wow that’s kind of amazing like a young mom already has like five or six or seven or eight kids that’s kind of crazy and Then the whole thing was happening with the children being separated from their families at the borders, and our priest was trying to talk about that and how heartbreaking it was and he got active boos From the congregation and I was like holy shit I gotta get out of here. These people are nuts.

@crablegs1193 2 ай бұрын

Dr Leidig was an amazingly insightful guest! Thought this was a great segment!

@twincast2005 2 ай бұрын

19:45 I assume that Gen Z's terminally online ostensibly progressive puriteens, who've been uncritically parroting conservative moralism with its Christian fundamentalism painted over, are particularly susceptible to falling down this hole.