Erik Francin and real off road!

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Thank you!

That's because it was only four door production. Two door production only started last month

( plane, NOT planet )

I recognized the trails as well. I have many memories there

The trails are Uwharrie National Forest, NC.

Thank you. It was Uwharrie National Forest.

Excellent perspective.

It is tough to swallow, but you'd be hard pressed to match the Rubicon by building a lesser model, AND the Rubi carries full warranty. An amazing machine

It's expensive, but the price does seem to reflect all the features and its performance. The cheaper option is to wait for a used one in a few years.

I agree; but it makes buying it as a "toy" like many people purchased the jK as, a little more of a stretch ...

Yes. All shot in NC by our Senior Off-Road Editor Ali Mansour.

Liberty Stuff'n'Things Reviews Except it lost 60 lb ft of torque rating over the outgoing trans. That sucks.

Really?? First I've heard of that. I image Jeep is going to eventually phase out the manuals, like everyone else has.

Where did you find this stat? I've looked out of curiosity and can't find it. Thanks in advance!

Sure thing. The JK uses the W5A580 trans which is rated at 580 Nm or 428 ft lbs of torque. It's a beast. The new 8 speed is the 850RE which is rated at 500 Nm or 368 ft lbs. That's quite a drop unfortunately. It could've been worse, they were originally considering the 845RE which is rate at 450 NM or 331 ft lbs.

OHH. I thought you were talking about the 6spd manual in the JL loosing torque, not the automatic. Ram does this in the Cummins with the G56 manuals. They derate them due to the clutch and transmission housing.

I have a 1997 Jeep TJ, stock seat and simply putting after market shocks and tires made it a lot better. I daily it with no complaints. Most people need to stop wanting to be comfortable and just come to realize it's a Jeep it's not bulit to be comfortable.

@@colbycollins6608 yeah but for the price it's good to see the comfort aspect and off-road prowest come together in one vehicle.

Manual is always better for off road driving. Take a manual vehicle and go and do some driving courses. Automatics are great for those that do not want to learn to drive.

Ah that's probably why they're not so expensive where you are.... they aren't imports. Outside of Europe and especially the UK they are astronomically expensive. A plain new D90 is typically around $100K US, and a new 110 can easily fetch $150K to $200K lol. It's bonkers. Have a look on a site called dubizzle.com and see what the Middle East has on offer. They are still getting "new" Defenders on their factory showroom floors. No idea how, resto mods maybe? The prices are pure insanity. Very jealous of your Adventure 100 :)

Yeah the Patrol is a beast haha. Cool vehicle though for sure. My 2012 LR4 is a tank as well, roughly the same curb weight as a Patrol.

I can't wait for the release of the Jeep Wrangler pick-up truck :)

Yes. Our Senior Off-Road Editor Ali Mansour lives in North Carolina.

An automatic transmission makes many aspects of going off-road easier, so for that reason, it gets the edge up on the manual. However, the manual has a certain "fun" element to it. If you're going to spend most of your off-road time rock crawling, the automatic is the better fit. For almost every other type of wheeling, having the ability to pick your gear when you want it is going to be beneficial.

Dominic Mariani I said the same thing.... :( the ZR2 Colorado will engage the rear locker in 2hi and 4hi. I own gmc and chevys but I love Jeep. Just wish they would fix that bug!

Rubicon is more offroad-worthy by a wide margin. It has better equipment (like solid front axle, front locking differential and sway bar disconnect). The angles are better, particularly breakover for the two-door Rubicon. The Jeep's doors are still removable for superior visibility when crawling. Aftermarket is more robust, and modifications are easier for the Jeep. 4Runner TRD trims are quite capable offroad, but its relative strengths are onroad. It handles better thanks to the front independent suspension. The fixed roof is quieter and better for vehicle security. Toyota ATS works better in snow and ice than Jeep traction control. The 4Runner has more useable space, and the tow rating is superior (5,000lbs to 3,500lbs). Toyotas tend to be more reliable, and the 4.0L 1GR-FE is superior to the 3.6L Pentastar for truck like performance and longevity. 95% of buyers should probably get a 4Runner TRD, but neither vehicle is practical so buy what you want.

Aaron P thanks alot for the response. I'm am really trying to make a solid decision. I'm leaning towards the more reliable option

Stock 17 and 285s. Everything was just as it comes from the factory.

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The Fort Fisher OHV area in North Carolina.

That's the Daniel trail in Uwharrie National Forest.

@@DrivingLine thanks, that's the one i was told to stay away from in my stock Rubicon lol.

Not yet, but we are told it is coming.

@@DrivingLine We have been told that for the past 10 years in Australia. Toyota has the market sewn up with the Defender in retirement and no diesel Rubicon.

hayabusa sun You wish the FJ Cruiser would’ve been a great competitor. Funny joke buddy.

tnucity welsh It’s the same thing as saying the Ford Ranger would be a good competitor. The Ranger isn’t a good competitor to the Wrangler when it comes to off-road capabilities and options. Therefore the Bronco wouldn’t either because it’s the same thing as the Ranger, it’s just an enclosed pick up.

Yes. Great eye. Some of this was shot there.

I agree that JL is nice looking vehicle, but not as good as mine 😝

n3m3sis2 I have owned 3 wranglers before and they are all very reliable. So not sure where you got your information?

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Most reliability issues are from the wrangler being the most abused vehicle sold in the market place.... most buyers buy them for offroad.......

Oh look it's the salty guy that can't afford one with the super original mall crawler comment.

RUGGED DUDE have you had both ? And wheeled both ? I ask because I have and you're incorrect / outside of lockers and the ease of electronic sway bar disconnects which isn't required but makes life easier ... they come with 4.10 gearing allowing you to put bigger tires on which anyone who goes off-road eventually does ! They also come with sliders, not the best but something right from the factory ... Unless you are extremely wealthy or enjoy debt or are very mechanically inclined the rubicon is the cost effective way to go