20 year Marine here. Everything you've said is true. The problem is running is easy to do as a unit and requires less effort and administration from the command.

Been preaching this for 20 years and despised by the leadership for it. If we trained for strength we wouldn't have all the back injuries.

They don't feed you enough in basic training for strength training!

I agree, strength training would be 100X better than 4 count jumping jacks or burpees or bear crawls. My problem: Having gone through bootcamp, you would need a VERY, VERY experienced and large strength and conditioning staff. There would be an extremely limited amount of time (at most 90 minutes per day) to teach proper technique and continue correcting the technique to approximately 60-90 kids (many of them have never lifted, much less participated in sports). This is the number of kids in one platoon/division/flight. There are anywhere from 4-6 of said groups that start, train, and graduate together. For the Navy at least, and I’ll assume for Marines and AF as well (not sure about Army they have MANY basic training bases), there is a graduation every single week. So every single week there are 4-6 groups of 60-90 kids coming in (there will be at least 8-13 of said graduation groups (240-540 kids) depending on the branch, so 2000-7000 kids, realistically closer to 4000-7000, in a training base at one time). The S&C staff would literally have to be working in the weight room nonstop every day there is PT. Not to mention: they will need to write programs (okay you can follow a similar progression with each training group). There are just so many people and such little time you would get to work with untrained individuals. It could be done, but you would need to find a large enough staff who is capable of making it happen (at my college a strength staff of 3 was able to push ~60-80 football players through a 60 minute lift with only 5 squat/bench racks and deadlift platforms all while teaching proper technique. But it was crazy how it was done). Auxiliary lifts and warmups were included in that time frame

First time checking this out... one hell of an intro... great seminar in Denver Mr. Rippetoe & team!

True. I was a little guy at 145 going into basic. Came out at 175. After AIT I was 195 muscle. Weight training makes a world of difference.

How many sun-gods, side-straddle-hops, and flutter kicks did I do, for what, FOR WHAT RIP!

My sister is a marathon runner and triathlete. We trained together once. I ran nine miles at her pace before giving up. Our goal was 13.1 miles. My training, 430 lbs deadlift. After the run I was sore. It was difficult. Another example? I did an obstacle 5k in 38 minutes a few years after that nine mile run. I don't train to run.

Member of Valens Strength and Conditioning here and current Naval Officer. Couldn't agree more. I'll only speak to my branch, which I think has totally failed its fighting force when it comes to physical training. What is the purpose of being able to run a quick 1.5 mile in a service that by and large is based on a ship? A sailor, whether they are down in the galley preparing meals or on the flight deck loading bombs or slinging chocks and chains, is going to be more effective if they are STRONG vice being able to run a 10 minute 1.5. Yes there are the SEALs but they have their own standards. For the conventional Navy I think if a sailor can maintain a healthy body weight and prove a baseline of strength, that would be much more effective. The question becomes at what point are they required to meet the standard, because no service has a 6 month Basic Training Phase. The Marine Corps has the longest at 12. Now if you said by the end of their specialize training (infantry/aviation/aircraft maintenance/etc) they are required to meet those standards or their held in a physical training unit until they can graduate, that may work. It would require a massive shift in thinking, but we'd be a better force for it.

The only problem with the baseline requirements that you outlined at the end of your podcast is that the military would consistently fail to meet their enlistment numbers by a large margin if they required 2 x deadlift, 75% press, etc. This problem is much larger than just the military, it is an American society problem.

Excellent topic.

09:45 - Far as i know there are actual laser weapons mounted on big ships, like aircraftcarriers and destroyers. They are antidrone and probably antimissile so their firepower is relatively low, though.

I was in the Army for 16 years, and couldn't agree more. I had a guy in my unit that did powerlifting for the Army, and was almost kicked out for not meeting the outdated height/ weight standards. Also, had another guy who couldn't pass weight, but somehow ran like a gazelle with a 6 min mile pace. Invite Representative Dan Crenshaw on your show. He's a former Navy Seal, has pull in D.C., and he's from the great state of TX.

Reminds me of the football coach who has his players doing sprints all do long because that's what his coaches did to him. No common sense.

Makes perfect sense to me.

This is the crux of the military. I am in the Army and the Army is somewhat addressing this with the change from the APFT to the ACFT, however the standard PT routine is still not based out of strength. Army wants us stronger yet they don't change PT to strength, only body weight. Cardio is still a big factor of the new ACFT so they are still missing the mark here.

Any chance of you meeting CT Fletcher.... While in Cali

When is Rip going in front of the Armed Services Committee to discuss this?

I wonder how many Marines could do the 152lbs - 9 mile march and not be just completely gutted???

Marine corps wants stick thin Marines. Running sub 18 min 3 miles is what’s expected, everything else is secondary

Is there any data that exists that in any way indicates trap bar deadlifts lead to more injuries than conventional deadlifts?

But isnt there a diffrence to squat 450 for 5s to carrying 152 for 9 miles without a break? Seems one is aerobic and one is anerobic. But im really not knowledgeable in that field, can someone explain me the carryover?

Please open a Starting Strength gym in Evansville Indiana.

Pshaw!!! The idea that the media would mis-characterize something. Bite your tongue Rip.

id like to see a video on how to make the perfect steak. what rip prefers, grill, pan, seared, over coal caveman style.

Ayara Thai... It is good. I miss living out there solely for that reason

I concur with all of this. My only descent is that the Marine Corps is the only branch that recruit training lasts 3 months. Rips model states 6 months. Having been in the Corps, I full heartily agree this method would be beneficial and should be implemented. However, you would have to skew the results to a 3 month diagram versus 6.

When a typical combat loadout is 150 pounds or more one would think it might dawn on them that strength might be a better thing to concentrate on than running. but expecting the Pentagon to make sense is like expecting the Pentagon to make sense.

I always thought situps were a total waste of time. My flight physiologist agrees.

Bottom line, if you enter any service boot camp with any form of muscle from strength training, be prepared that you will loose your gains. After basic training, if you are lucky you will have access to a descent barbell and some weights / time, at the base gym.

Waiting to see it Will Morris has commented on this yet

Why is it numbered #4. Shouldn't it be the third one? - Cheers Rip

Something to be considered is the amount of money it would cost to feed all the boots during basic to gain all that mass in 6 months. Another is how much more money it would cost to keep the higher calorie consumption up through the career of these Greek gods. I’m sure the money could be found since we spend it on much sillier things, but just a thought.

Speaking specifically from an Air Force perspective: Point 1: We are governed by RAND studies. All of the leadership sees these studies as the holy grail and doesn't fray far from it. Point 2: Dr. Neil Baumgarnter, Chief of Exercise Unit. He dictates our PT testing and looks at cardiovascular system, running as a holistic approach to PT. Point 3: Half of the jobs in the Air Force are not physical! Lifting things here and there but nothing like the battlefield airman. Most of what we view as the "military" is special forces, marines or army. I will say this, wholeheartedly, the Air Force will never change and not take out the 1.5-mile run or aerobics. If you so choose to get strong, it will have to be on your own. The Army did move in the right direction with their new PT testing but the run will never, ever, go away. Fitness Standard Video for Air Force: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mJiSf7an16nXlIU.html Studies: www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR600/RR618/RAND_RR618.pdf www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2000/RR2002/RAND_RR2002.pdf www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1789.html www.stripes.com/news/us/air-force-explores-new-fitness-assessment-for-airmen-that-could-be-gender-neutral-1.575845

I highly admire Rip, but no more than 8hrs of sleep (typically way less than that published number) and none of the military branches feed bootcamp recruits enough to reach this higher level of strength training. Other than those vital fundamentals, I fully agree. Running 3 miles every morning into a short period of jumping jacks, situps and pushups is far too light for 18 to 20 something year olds. Good for a light level of conditioning, but does almost nothing for strength improvement. .. Edited, since I don't seem to remember ever getting more than 5hrs of sleep when I went thru bootcamp 30yrs ago.

Apology accepted.

Apologies accepted. Just don’t let it happen again.

Is a 155 lb Press at a 185 bodyweight a good Press for a novice?

The answer is simple. It costs too much lol

Rip says this is #3, but the title says it’s #4....

And change the ancient weight standards? Military makes sense. I have literally never seen that happen

Ever seen the federal government do anything well

Many of the fastest sprints have been run by athletes on steroids. Why? Steroids don't make you faster. They can make you stronger. That's why.

What percentage of the population under 21 years of age are 225 lbs? Not that many.

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Can Rip run 5 miles?

My thinking, and maybe the military's thinking as well, is that no matter how strong you are a bullet will still kill you. All military's in the world use guns to fight. So what's a more effective way to avoid dying to a bullet? Well, one is maybe being a smaller target. I know a person that doesn't do the three big lifts and only runs is a smaller target than a big strong guy. Also running will allow you to have the endurance to move faster away from a firefight if necessary. Another factor is nutrition, it takes more nutrients to supply a big strong guy. Which is more money. And when you sum it all up the major factor in all these scenarios is money, it costs more money to make big strong humans

The problem is the male soldier has to carry the females pack. Because that makes them equal.

from ZERO to 2×body weight deadlift and 400m in 1'15" in 6 month? thats full of SH*t

instead of spending millions on complicated technology that can break down at any moment how about just lifting weights and eating food?

I wonder what food they serve the soldiers nowadays. It was crappy years ago and I'm worried they're starting to have meatless Mondays and soy and more vegan or plant-based madness. Does anybody know?

Our understanding in the TERF community is that Caster is male. He has fathered children with his wife. He has a DSD but it is a male DSD.

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