Training with Power vs. Training with Heart Rate. Why You Need a Power Meter

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5 жыл бұрын

I go into depth on the differences between training with power and training with heart rate. There are some major flaws with heart rate that are solve by using power but there are still instances where heart rate is useful and using power and heart rate together can be very helpful. I also go into some times when power data can psych some people out and be a detriment and who shouldn't use a power meter. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe for more!
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@Mububban23 3 жыл бұрын

I train by gasping and wheezing up climbs, getting dropped, and questioning my life choices. But I did find a cadence sensor that fell off someone else’s bike, so I’m gonna use that....once I save up and buy a cycling computer that can interface with it....

@wibblemu9 Жыл бұрын

Update?

@mauriciorosales1259 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been using a power meter for so long I forgot what to do with my HR data, thank you for re-educating me on what to use HR data for!

@Zebster57 4 жыл бұрын

Great advice Dylan, as an old guy, I had to learn pacing thru feel and experience before HR monitors became available. The tools available now are pretty cool but often wonder if they can become a crutch to performance. Would be interesting to see race or TT results without HR and Power for everyone, I am sure some riders might struggle, if not just mentally. XC skiers or runners don't have a power meter and have to rely on HR and/or feel. Perhaps young riders should initially learn this skill also. Thanks for the awesome content!

@BobbyBasketballl 2 жыл бұрын

Great perspective that will save me from spending 900$ on a power meter crankset. I'll try to learn this skill before relying on tech.

@harrylook7810 5 жыл бұрын

I actually sold my good wheels last year so I could get a power meter, and I don't regret it. First thing I used it for was to pace climbs - a huge weakness of mine. I have also started to use it to pace HIIT workouts outside. It's nice to be able to get off the trainer for those when the snow melts.

@mirkomalisan5467 5 жыл бұрын

Stop and smell the flowers caption of the year 😂 good content mate! Keep up

@patthecat6491 5 жыл бұрын

I liked the shout out for internet attention span if you did happen to be "a stop and smell the flowers" cyclist. I've been on the fence on getting a power meter and this was good input.

@MichaelBoogerd 5 жыл бұрын

Internet attention span test “passed” 💪😆

@eduardorb4152 5 жыл бұрын

Great content as usual! Bought my Power Meter 8 months ago and it has been one of the best investment for my road bike! I own a basic one: Stages 105 Left side only, which it has been more than enough for me! A lot of improvement with more structured training! Already beat my old Personal Records in Strava that I stablished when I was a 23 year old and that I thought, was never going to be able to do it anymore (Currently, 29 years young). My suggestion: What about a video about what should you be eating on the bike for long ride (4 to 6 hours rides)? And wich you should be eating afterwards for a faster recovery?! That could be helpful... Keep on the good work!

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Great idea Eduardo. Thanks!

@carlostzoc4 5 жыл бұрын

Just found this channel! Great cycling content! The way I like to become stronger is to go on group rides and try to keep up with faster riders!

@RonnRider 5 жыл бұрын

Great content and well spoken Dylan! Well done 👍🏾

@ADY_SR 4 жыл бұрын

best channel to learn n improve my cycling. many thanks dylan for your contribution and efforts.

@fastleopard1 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great video. I've often wondered about the effects of dehydration on cardiac drift. Since I got my power meter I have noticed that my efforts tend to be smoother and less erratic

@ffmdotcom 3 жыл бұрын

After upgrading to a power meter relatively late (my bikes already a few years old) I have to agree if you care for numbers and other things to keep track a power meter is a great first upgrade and I would recommend it to everybody that rides a couple of times each week.

@kidagave1 5 жыл бұрын

You’re pretty darn smart for a young guy, I wish more of your generation were like you

@saijapz16 Жыл бұрын

yes we are 😳🤔😆

@Hamelmart 5 жыл бұрын

This video ‘s subject was super interesting. Made me hit that subscribe button. Kudos 👍🏻

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it.

@saqeblone4757 5 жыл бұрын

Oh my God you got the nag to cover up each topic so well. I mean I just got to keep up to your advice for further improvements in my training

@kakarot2430 5 жыл бұрын

o my god, this is so good... you just got a new subscriber

@andrewdeck7945 5 жыл бұрын

Well explained video!!! I agree both power and heart rate are super useful bits of data!

@alexeiz 5 жыл бұрын

Great advice. Over several years of training both with power and HR I came mostly to the same conclusions.

@fernandoiuspa8979 4 жыл бұрын

Very useful information and no time wasted. New to your channel and eager to learn more. Power meter equipment, any suggestions or maybe a video pointing advantages and disadvantages regarding price/accuracy? Thx

@geoffreyanderson4719 5 жыл бұрын

Nice video. Thanks again!

@Juan1985g 5 жыл бұрын

LOL! STOP AND SMELLING FLOWERS! that did it for me. Subscribed!

@keithanderson6997 4 жыл бұрын

Dillon you are the man.👍 You have answered the question I haven't been able to find even with 2 different cardiologists. The question being how do you know when your overtraining? I went to the cardiologist when my resting heart rate dropped from 32 to 26. My max heart rate was drastically suppressed feeling short of breath at 145hr when max is 183. My hr dropped drastically 110 compared to 130 for the same power output. Thank you for your in depth analysis and examples from your experience. You seriously may have saved my life. At least train properly for max results.

@mtbyumyum 5 жыл бұрын

Dylan, be my coach!!! haha but seriously, I need a training plan ;) Great content dude!

@zeniaraudsepp2601 5 жыл бұрын

Another great video! Thanks for sharing your expertise.

@DamirSpanic 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you.

@aldrinclementina4297 4 ай бұрын

"The Stop and smell the flowers type" 🤣. I had a hub based power meter. I stopped using it because the wheel is heavy. But I will install it again on the bike. After all fitness is more important than weight of the bike. (IMO) I'm planning to start this season with paying attention to my zone 2 training, instead of fast group rides all the time. Thanks for sharing.

@runnerfive972 4 жыл бұрын

i was there to smell the flowers . . im with you man

@skyelegon3148 5 жыл бұрын

Just discovered your channel, really enjoying it! After investing in a power meter I recommend investing in a lav mic: your content deserves better than bathroom acoustics!

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'll look into it. Always trying to improve.

@jasonmcgrody9472 3 жыл бұрын

I love my HR strap. For one thing, it doesn't lie. By that I mean regardless of my power output if my HR says I'm working hard, I probably am. I also love that I can use it for basically every aerobic activity. Also... CHEAP... compared to a power meter. The downsides are like you mention. Your HR can vary for all sorts of reasons. I got so used to having power on my smart trainer that I eventually bought one for my bike (and it was the first upgrade for the bike itself). I love both. Power meters ARE expensive but it's just so useful.

@nathaliec7330 4 жыл бұрын

I use both. Thanks for review

@SandsCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Power or heart rate? Pfft. I train with Dylan Johnson. That’s the best way to results.

@roadglide 5 жыл бұрын

Jordan Sands Then you train with both.

@SandsCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Road Glide Dont tell me how to live my life.

@roadglide 5 жыл бұрын

Jordan Sands So... Saying “you train with both” when training with Dylan, because he uses both data for qualifying/quantifying training protocols is even coming close telling you how to live your life? If so..Dude you got some serious issues.

@SandsCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Road Glide I don’t have issues. I have Dylan Johnson.

@bobohara3974 4 жыл бұрын

Just started the whole indoor smart trainer thing, super convenient! Getting in 1.5 - 2 hour sessions 5 days a week. Never going to race, but do want to lose a few pounds and work on improving both my heart and power efficiencies. I am tracking everything I do in a spreadsheet, along with graphs, it's exciting to think of what the trend lines will look like in a couple of months. I am definitely seeing the "drift" although not too bad, but I am also seeing how my heart rate doesn't want to settle down as quickly as I click off the intervals. 4x10 FTP intervals today saw each subsequent interval 1 beat higher then the last (same power for each interval), and on each recovery I saw about 1.5 beats more on average each subsequent recovery. The net effect on each subsequent interval was a quicker ramp up in heart rate and quicker onset of being uncomfortable. Starting to understand the way my legs feel and correlate that with average power and heart rate is helpful.

@FriendlyFarmMachineryToolCpBel 5 жыл бұрын

Dylan, Once again I find myself questioning the separation of heart rate to power meter dialogue. Without a doubt power is an instant indicator of effort. But, if I am way over threashold with my heart rate, then I am going to crack! The only solution is to dail back the effort. This really comes to play on those fatigued days. More info on how to hang when fatigued please.

@robcrosley5700 3 жыл бұрын

Thx Dylan, always worthwhile scientifically supported advice. Which power meter gives the most accurate data whilst still relatively affordable ? I am leaning towards Shimano’s Stages crank. The pedal-based options seem way too expensive & less accurate, whilst the bottom bracket/chain wheel types may be the most accurate but are way beyond my budget.

@007StarKiller 5 жыл бұрын

Great channel! I really learned a lot everytime I watch your videos. I have a question regarding to resting heart rate. I have a fitbit versa watch to just monitor my resting heart rate since I don't want to overtrain myself. I Google some information, but just want to hear your professional opinion about it. Does always a constantly increase in one's resting heart rate over a period of time it's an indication of overtraining and what tips do you recommend to look for when using resting heart rate as a training tool. Would be great if you make a video about overtraining alone since It worries most cyclists and athletes. Keep up the good work...

@kiverrussell8369 5 жыл бұрын

As you point out, big eye opener for me when I started to put in regular, focused 8 hour+ weeks was how HR decreased for the same effort as I got fitter. Fatigue wasn't an issue at the time either but HR took much longer to escalate. I'd previously wondered about various pros data on Strava where race winning efforts or short TT's or prologues would be mostly in Z3 HR despite clearly giving it everything - they are just super fit to the nth degree and HR is no longer a limiting or fully responsive factor. Interesting vid!

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Also top pros heart rate during a long stage race will decrease significantly but power will not. Pretty impressive stuff.

@damon123jones 5 жыл бұрын

ive been watching hr vs power this year and its all true...heart gives you alot of information about your condition but not about pacing

@ElLenadorLA 4 жыл бұрын

The video I needed to finally just bite the bullet and buy a power meter....Thanks!

@arturpojo 5 жыл бұрын

hahahaha... "ok,but im gonna get the Zipps"

@ClassicCyclingCC 3 жыл бұрын

It would be great if you could do a video on how to train and get ready the week before and the week of the race. Thanks.

@georgmtb9671 3 жыл бұрын

I rarely train with heart rate, as it messes with my head. If I ride at 200 Watts and my hr is 10 beats higher than normal I start to worry about my fitness.

@georgmtb9671 3 жыл бұрын

@El Filipino de Cebu same, doesn’t line up perfectly

@racer_chef 5 жыл бұрын

just ordered a stages pretty excited to start using it

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@10789macca 4 жыл бұрын

Power and heart rate is perfect. Conducting regular decoupling sessions will give great indicators of fitness.

@davidjenkin2375 3 жыл бұрын

Dylan, I really like your videos. After watching your Heart rate vs Power video I find I am still confused. My Heart rate is consistently 1 zone lower than my power. Particularly for zone 2 endurance rides. Which metric should I follow? Keep the videos coming👍

@bwhsh8r 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely did the Mohican 100 on a whim. Did terribly but didn’t walk any hills that didn’t have fifty people hiking in front of me. I need to hire a coach.

@havey 5 жыл бұрын

I've noticed heart rate variance and cardiac drift for years. It took a stage MTB race that I hadn't really trained for to experience topping out well below my maximum heart rate, and resting and sleeping way above my minimum.

@shydncrumph8119 4 жыл бұрын

5 hour indoor ride... damn. respect!

@joshross4283 5 жыл бұрын

Great videos and love the citations. You have a knack for the camera. Small side note. Use a lapel mic. Voice has some echo. Otherwise ship shape!!

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Josh. I'll look into that.

@angelcarlson9899 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. So proud of my internet attention span 😇😇

@tumbleweedking5668 5 жыл бұрын

You know your good to go when your warming up for a race and your HR comes up easily to say 10 BPM from your max and your feeling super relaxed, fresh, legs feel no fatigue, you know your at a peak for one macro cycle.

@Mi7cro 5 жыл бұрын

power only , i’ve used both in the past but was more focused on hr then power and also when i needed to go hard was mostly looking at my hr so like you said one day was too high one day too low , if i just train to power i get it done with no problem

@andrewhighfield3338 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Dylan, keep your You tube posts coming, great. I have noticed that when fatigued I can’t reach anywhere near my peak Heart rate which makes sense. But why for same power/ duration is my heart rate lower when fatigued than when fresh by 10 beats or more? Cheers Andrew

@SamuelBlackMetalRider 4 жыл бұрын

I stop & smell the flowers. Makes for GREAT kick-start and intervals training. Stop & go. Stop & go. Stop & go.

@alexthemtbr 5 жыл бұрын

Wish this channel existed 10 years ago when I raced XC in high school 😂

@Traccionhumana 3 жыл бұрын

hey, nice videos!! i saw a lot recent day. what power meter?, single o double leg ? Any recommended and not so expensive? i have a gravel bike for endurance event and a commute bike that also use to training. Any posibilities to buy just one power meter ?

@gerrysecure5874 Жыл бұрын

I have 17yrs of experience using PWR and HR. What I found is that when I fatigued my HR at Zone Power is higher than usual and Max HR is lower. Both together yield less performance. And cadence has a tremendous effect on HR too. Same power at 60 or 90rpm gives close to 15 bpm difference. Still I primarily watch HR in Z2 rides and power only to avoid unintended power peaks while in intervals power exclusively.

@donald6749 3 жыл бұрын

Just got my first bike computer and HRM, speed and cadence sensor. Gonna build a set of wheels with a hub power sensor this fall!

@Missedapex 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. While prices for power meters have come down and the less expensive are single side only the value of the data certainly makes them worthwhile. Having power and adapting your riding (even if only to improve your daily rides) to your power info can be an added incentive. I'm looking forward to the day when power meters become truly affordable.

@jamonzonv 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Dylan, Yeah I have check this too. But I was also considering some Graphics more Dynamic, more Natural and relax. But true is much better.

@GNX157 4 жыл бұрын

I use both Stages PM and HR chest strap. Have had for several years and my main concern seems to be when it’s warmer, over 50F, my power always seems higher, like the PM doesn’t compensate. I calibrate before almost every ride and def do when temps from day to day have been widely different. Oh and side note, correct pinch bolt torque on Shimano hollow tech arms is very important for proper function of stages PM.

@hemi265mustard 5 жыл бұрын

I train with power only, race with both. I mainly race short road, 1 1/2hrs or crits, 50mins. I more so go off HR when on the front, making sure if someone attacks i have enough HR left to chase the wheel. On breakaway efforts i use both

@obikedog Жыл бұрын

I use both. Power is certainly essential for pacing and setting workout intensity. But heart rate is especially important to me after a break at the end of the season or after sickness. Especially after a long break like over the holidays, my power zones are all screwed up but I know my HR zones are still valid for workouts until I get my power zones re-established during workouts or testing.

@TheSandkastenverbot 2 жыл бұрын

I've never felt so good for being a "stop and smell the flowers" cyclist ^^

@johnpiccioli650 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Dylan, great job putting together your videos. Lots of useful information in a nice compact video. Had a question about using a power meter for racing. How close to your FTP would you ride for sprint, medium and long races? I'm a triathletes looking to improve my bike splits. Keep up the great work, you have a gift for it.

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It really depends on how close the race is to an hour. At 1 hour you use your FTP and you go up and down from there based on duration. My suggestion is that if you know the length of time that your bike split will be figure out what your max power for that duration is in training or at less important races and pace off of that.

@johnpiccioli650 5 жыл бұрын

@@DylanJohnsonCycling Wow! I'm impressed with how quickly you responded. My A race is the half Ironman at the end of the season where I am hoping my bike split will be around 2.5 hours. I have some Olympic and long course events leading up to it where my bike split will be between an hour and an hour and a half. How do I determine my maximum power in those other races?

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

@@johnpiccioli650 Are you familiar with the power duration curve? it shows your peak power for all durations. You can access it in training peaks under the performance manager chart. Take a look there at what your max is for those durations and that should be a good number to shoot for. As you do more racing you'll get even better data.

@johnpiccioli650 5 жыл бұрын

@@DylanJohnsonCycling Excellent! That's exactly what I was looking for. I'm not currently using Training Peaks but I will start now. I'm currently using TrainerRoad to take a more structured approach to my bike training. I should be able to upload my stats to Training Peaks. Thanks again Dylan. You're awesome man!

@johnpiccioli650 5 жыл бұрын

Looks like I need to upgrade my subscription in Training Peaks to access the Performance Management charts. Can I get the peak power values from Trainer Road or some other app. I'm not sure I need another subscription, already have too many.

@Rufus1250 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Dylan! Thanks for your videos! 2:48 Do you know why the HR is lower when you are fatigued? I noticed the same!

@juriankoolhaas9699 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Dylan, I'm a speedskater (I know, its a bit off on this channel) but I was looking for some good info on periodisation wich I could adapt in my training plan. First just wanted to say your video's have been a huge help so far thank you very much for that! Now on topic, I struggle with this question. If you ride on a say longer ride at a constant power, then at some point as you get more fatiqued your HR goes up. So basically your body needs to work harder to meet the power demand. How do I know if i'm still training in the right zone since my body is working harder. Should I trust on constant power output or maybe back down a little in power to maintain the right zone.

@michaelsmart4993 5 жыл бұрын

I'd be curious to learn about Heart Rate and Power training for those who live at varying altitudes. We have some 3,000ft+ climbs in Utah and I notice power decreases as altitude increases.

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Great idea for a future video

@ITsupportian 3 жыл бұрын

I have both in my trainer but the only HR on my bike. I found that sometimes... When I hit my power where I normally can, I became complacent. However, when I train on my HR only, it seems like I like it better because I know I will push for higher HR without caring about my power. This means I push harder when I use my HR. Its a mentality for me.

@markspoor4663 3 жыл бұрын

I train with heart rate and noticed recently that my average speed increases if a go less hard on the climbs and harder on the flatter sections. Basically attempting to stay in the same heart rate zone on both. This is for Mtbing btw. I suspect on the road it is more advantageous to push harder on the climbs and dial back a bit on the flats.

@CooperSellers 5 жыл бұрын

One problem I have is when mixing my training between road and dirt. My heart rate on dirt is always way higher than it is on road and it's impossible for me to achieve and hold high heart rates on the road bike. I end up just going by 'feel' even though my heart rate might not reflect what the same effort would be in one vs the other.

@1carusjohn32 5 жыл бұрын

Dylan, been using a power meter for two years. The biggest thing I get from it is seeing both where I over watt and under watt on a particular route. Both costs me dearly!! I have a local route of 38 miles , circular with about 1500ft climbing, fairly flat. Been trying for years to solo it at 20mph. The meter clearly showed over watting at the start particularly on any climb and not pushing g the down hills hard enough, I guess recovering from my ill advised climbing efforts. The post analysis from the power data shows all your errors, it's a real eye opener. So 20mph for the route got ticked off , not one pb on any Strava segment gained that day. As for heart rate, as you say, I use it for pulling back from my upper danger zone and also to see how my recovery rate is doing from time to time.

@tomwagemans1872 4 жыл бұрын

My first race a had a heart rate off 160 but 0 watts just standing still at the start 😁 I don't own a power meter(yet) but I do see a difference in my heart rate in the morning and in the evening. It is the same 20k ride to and from work but the heart rate is about 10 beats lower in the evening for about the same speed.

@SaltyMikeNC 5 жыл бұрын

I will be using power, because you told me so :) also going to run the HR

@CyclingDad 5 жыл бұрын

Great vid! I use the HRM on my Fenix in combo w/ a power meter. What do you think of the Garmin performance condition measurement?

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

I've not used it but it looks very promising. A lot of devices are using heart rate variability to determine your recovery and I think it can be very useful.

@CyclingDad 5 жыл бұрын

I’ve found it somewhat useful for both runs and cycling. When on the bike, I need to have a power meter as well, presumably because there is some kind of power and heart rate measure over a period of time. The running I’m guessing it uses some kind of distance/elevation combo..

@maskenas 5 жыл бұрын

PowerCal by PowerTap is a good substitute for a power meter. All that matters is a relative watts number to see improvement

@filmaynard 4 жыл бұрын

If you are riding trails, power can substantially under-estimate your effort, since you can put a lot of effort in without a pedal stroke. A pump track is an extreme example - you can easily ride at zone 4 without the PM picking up a single kJ. That doesn’t mean a power meter isn’t useful - if you can go faster on the same trail with less power, you’re pumping it better, or maybe just staying looser and more active, and not losing as much momentum over trail obstacles. If you ride super gnarly trails where you end up doing some hike-a-bike, that’ll obviously also not register on the PM. Not a reason to avoid using a PM, but worth analyzing carefully. An extreme example of this would be an epic CX muddier where you have to run half the course.

@kipmadsen6292 4 жыл бұрын

I was looking at getting a heart rate monitor but after this .......I'm getting neither ! Just riding, lifting and listening to my legs. Great info

@stevenchen6347 5 жыл бұрын

HI Dylan, I am a training fanatic. But I always over shoot my training load each week as I always wanted to do more. Can you please share a video on how to plan for an effective training plan?

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Certainly, my fast on 6 hours a week and fast on 10 hours a week videos are good starting points if you haven't seen them already. I go into where to add hours too if you train more than that.

@trbeyond 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. Too bad run power meters can’t yet do what bike power meters do (or at least not as well).

@scottw4538 2 жыл бұрын

I'm using a Polar heart rate monitor, which I find useful. My biggest impediment to getting a power metre is deciding what type to get.

@sape100 5 жыл бұрын

I've noticed "reverse cardiac drift" on my long endurance (z2) rides. I compete and am in pretty good fit. Any idea what it indicates? On hard interval sessions the HR drifts up like it should. And thanks for great content you produce and I especially respect that you include the journals to your arguments :)

@sape100 5 жыл бұрын

To add, the reverse drift occurs on 3+ hour rides

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

I get the same thing sometimes. For starters I think you are well hydrated which is good and then as you get fitter you experience less cardiac drift. It really depends on the day whether or not my hr goes up or down or just stays the same on a long ride. All reasons to use power.

@sape100 5 жыл бұрын

@@DylanJohnsonCyclingThanks for answering! One explanation could be also that on recovery rides, HR drifting down indicates that body actually recovers during the ride. Even though z2 isn't necessarily recovery.

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

@@sape100 Right but it's still not a hard ride. This is something I may look into for a future video. Thanks.

@ljadf 5 жыл бұрын

I'm getting rid of my power meter, because I don't race, but I do ride at high RPE and find my HR is the only real way to ensure I'm maxed out for short distances. The PM might say I'm a little below or above my maximum effort, but max HR doesn't lie.

@etemerson 5 жыл бұрын

Great content--I've been considering getting a power meter for some time. Can you provide some instruction on the use of a power meter with MTB? I ride Pisgah a lot with steady climbs as well as the more XC trails (with multiple puchy climbs) in the Charlotte area. How can I use a power meter to help my training/racing in these circumstances? Thanks

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Pisgah is great for using power because the climbs are long and steady so you can stay in endurance zone if that's the kind of ride you are doing. This is harder on charlotte style trails. A common workout for gearing up for xc racing though is race pace on trail. Find a 10 to 20 minute section of trail and hit it as hard as you can for 3 to 4 laps with 5 to 10 minutes rest between. You can't use your power meter to pace during the effort but you can analyze the data after to see if you where able to put out more power and if that translated into a faster time. Power for mtb could be a whole video on its own. I'll add it to my video ideas. Thanks!

@etemerson 5 жыл бұрын

@@DylanJohnsonCycling Thanks Dylan. I agree it would be a great video!

@seahog32 4 жыл бұрын

That is a common misconception that adrenaline will cause your heart rate to be higher at comparable efforts during a race comparing to a regular training ride. The purpose of the adrenaline "rush" is to prepare your body (and mind) for the coming physical stress so it will influence your resting HR at the start line or even hours or days before the start, depending on your personality type. However, once the gloves are off, your HR will be the same at comparable power outputs (especially the higher ones) whether you are racing for a once-in-a-lifetime chance of a pro contract or just riding with your buddies on a regular Tuesday night. Assuming the same level of recovery, of course. Adrenaline basically reduces or in extreme cases removes the HR lag.

@ProvidenceProducts Жыл бұрын

Can you recommend a few iPhone apps for both polar heart rate monitor, and Assioma power petals? Thanks, Chris

@ayowser01 5 жыл бұрын

If I smell flowers AND I like to see personal improvements [pb] then, would it be wiser to invest into a single sided power meter vs a dual-sided? I'm looking at the Favero Assioma model, specifically.

@JBroms64 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Dylan, I recently purchased a Cannondale Topstone 105 and plan to use this as my primary bike for 2019. It has an FSA Omega Adventure 46/30 chainset. I like this gearing because of the area that I live in and the reduced cross chaining with the 46t ring when compared with a 50t from a compact. I'm hoping to make a power meter my next big cycling purchase. Problem is, I have no effing clue what to do for a power meter. I don't want to abandon the gearing, but there don't seem to be any power meters available for this particular chainset. Pedal based systems are out of my budget range (I use SPD's anyway), and all the crank-based options aren't compatible. I can't see a cheaper way of going about this than upgrading to an FSA Energy Chainset and BB386EVO, which would be compatible with a Stages power meter. Any other ideas, or do I just have to throw money at this one?

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think the best option is upgrade and go with stages. I can't think of any options off the top of my head that have those chainring sizes.

@travistweedle9674 3 жыл бұрын

So im never gonna race but I love tech stuff. I train on a all mountain Stumpjumper, I'm getting a power meter. Because it will make me faster, especially when bombing down hills in Pisgah.

@jbnati2711 5 жыл бұрын

Great content Dylan. Do you have a suggestion on a power meter to start with? I don't race, but I do like to train for challenging events and spirited group rides and general fitness.

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Stages is your cheapest option but it's less accurate than something like a quarq. My recommendation would be a quarq if you don't mind paying a little extra.

@jpcjpc69 3 жыл бұрын

also, i've noticed that HR changes during a ride occur more slowly as you get older.

@bobfrombrevard3381 5 жыл бұрын

Great content. Quick question. This was to be a hard week of training before a rest week next week. Went out to do 5 minute intervals today and, just as discussed in your video, my heart rate was 12-15 beats per minute below where I should be for the given power. Obviously already fatigued. I cut the number of intervals in half and just cruised home. Should I now just treat this as my rest week going forward and cut back all my workouts, or limp through the week and rest next week as scheduled? Thanks.

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

I would base it off how you feel tomorrow morning. If your legs are sore and you get on the bike and the heart rate is still low I'd call it but if you feel good continue on.

@joejohnston471 5 жыл бұрын

I could see this making sense if it were mid season but it's Feb. and next week wasn't a rest week. Why not push through the fatigue and gain some fitness & mental toughness.

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

@@joejohnston471 It's a hard call. Digging a hole too deep can be dangerous. Even in feb you don't want to be overtrained. You can try to quantify it but sometimes it's up to the athlete to decide how fatigued they are and for a coach to recognize signs of overtraining and tell the athlete to back off. I'm not coaching Bob from brevard so I don't know him as an athlete or how deep in the hole he is so I gave him some general advice.

@neogeo222 4 жыл бұрын

What power meter on a budget do you recommend? Thanks

@Fenderprj182 5 жыл бұрын

I have only recently became serious about cycling and have spent a fair amount getting a proper bike. This being said it will probably take me a while to save up to get a power meter. What I can do to get the most of out of my training in the meantime only having a heart rate monitor?

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Do a threshold heart rate test and then based off of that you can use heart rate zones for training. Not quite as good as using power zones but certainly better than training blind.

@dtmateo 5 жыл бұрын

I don’t have a power meter. I only use a HR monitor. I know my LTHR and train/pace accordingly. I use my HR and RPE to gauge my fatigue levels and to detect dehydration or overheating. In conjunction with bikecalc.com and bikecalculator.com I can estimate my power requirements for a given interval or a long climb. I know what gear and cadence I should be in at my LTHR. I can choose to remain at my LTHR or go VO2MAX if the gradient increases and settle back down to LTHR when the gradient drops. This has worked well for me. There are times when my HR looks abnormal and it usually signifies that I’m in bad shape and I should not have been riding at all.

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

Love me some bikecalculator

@MyDadWasALifeguard 5 жыл бұрын

I do as well..having raced for so many years I can feel for my threshold and rarely ever have any drift. Power meters have their place in certain situations but they’re really not needed, imo.

@paulflory3532 5 жыл бұрын

In a perfect world one would use blood lactate level as a training guide, but measuring it while riding is "inconvenient". Both HR and power have their shortcomings. I trained for years using HR based on periodic lactate tests, It responds slowly, increases in warmer weather, rises towards the end of a workout even at steady power output. OTOH power readings bounce around as one accelerates or decels slightly, which one does unconsciously. And of course power meters are pricey, may be hard to transfer between bikes depending on the type, and may measure power before or after power train losses.

@steven871 4 ай бұрын

What are the six Zones as they relate to FTP?

@robertandyjustus 3 жыл бұрын

So D. Is there a vid about Power Meters? ... recommendation. .?

@BikeRidingBassist 5 жыл бұрын

I recently started using a power meter. The days I try to stay in zone 3 or 4 seem to be too easy or is it supposed to be that way? I'm about 25lbs overweight and was wondering if that plays a part of why it feels easy to reach zone 3 or 4 quickly. Also I feel comfortable at a heart rate of 150s or 160s. It's only at a heart rate of 175 and up is when I start feeling uncomfortable. Is this normal or is this just different for each individual person? I've been told by my other riding friends that to ride at that high of a heart rate is abnormally high. My power zones were set by a recent FTP test on Trainerroad of 243. I know that's low but I'm at the beginnings of getting my fitness back. My max heart rate is about 195. Given that data for power and heart rate is it normal to feel that zone 3 to be really easy and a heart rate of 150-160 to be comfortable or is something off with my data or my body??? Thanks and I love the no BS content in your videos

@joevdenne1930 5 жыл бұрын

Whose HR zone calculator do you use, Dylan? On the TP website, Friel and Coggan's lead to significantly different numbers.

@DylanJohnsonCycling 5 жыл бұрын

I use CTS although I don't use hr zones if I have power. I would really take these different zone models with a grain of salt. None of them are right or wrong they just have different ideas of how they want to split up the pie.