"Frank Ocean doesn't have to write sea shanties" ...but what if

It’s kinda like the joke of when someone finds out they’re 1% black but it was Justin Timberlake finding out he was 1% country music and making it his whole identity

“I don’t know how to pleasure myself to Bruno Mars” yeah you can definitely tell this video was from 2011

When i was 15 i had an mri done with the contrast dye. Through this experience I found out i’m mildly allergic to contrast dye. It was pretty harrowing (i thought i was going to die) but the worst part is when i finally made it in the mri booth they played Filthy by Justin Timberlake the entire 30 min i was in there. I would briefly fall asleep only to think “how is it still playing?”

filthy not being an explicit song is the funniest part of the album

Justin Timberlake is heading towards Bojack Horseman territory way faster than I'd like to admit.

Re that viral video: I know Bruno Mars was a different artist in 2011 but in hindsight it seems hilarious to think the man responsible for 24K Magic and Silk Sonic was ever considered the antithesis of sexy and smooth.

What I personally find is the worst crime of Filthy? The opening is so grandiose and feels like its gonna build up to something huge. Then a bassline just drunkenly flops down and staggers about. It's almost comical in retrospect.

Calling Jessica Biel a “Future hard Jeopardy question” is the most ruthless thing Todd has ever done 😂

2018 legitimately feels like 30 years ago at this point.

I think most people said absolutely nothing when Britney was the butt of every joke, so they overcompensated and made Timberlake out to be some insane villain, when the true villain was all of us, (literally the friends we made along the way meme), who stood by and saw a pop star constantly mocked and just let it slide. I always disliked Timberlake (cause of his music), but whenever I see videos like that one at the beginning of this video, of that stand-up not doing any comedy, I think “oh wow, that person must have said some really cruel things about Britney and Janet when they were younger”

"“For whoever is claiming they are bringing sexy back, sexy never left!" - Prince

As a man who lives in a heavily wooded area, I can confirm that I consume large insects in upscale restaurants, enrobe myself head-to-toe in flannel, and build dancing robots in my shed.

What gets me is that for his 20/20 Experience era, JT *did* update his image to accommodate his advancing age by going from sexy bad boy heartthrob to suave handsome man who wears sharp suits and smokes cigars et al. It worked as a transition into being a sort of elder veteran of the pop scene at that point and made him not look like a Madonna-type chasing lost youth, only for him to go on to do this anyway, which anyone off the street could tell you was a bad idea

The song 'Man of the Woods' sounds like it should be played over the opening titles of a CGI movie. Something where John Goodman plays a sasquatch who finds his mountain home being bulldozed tto make room for more urban development and he has to get a job in the Big City, just something really low-stakes that makes a bajillion dollars in its first month and is utterly forgotten about four months after its release.

Man of the Woods and The Funky Headhunter by MC Hammer -- two examples where the artists technically had been born in the cultures they were appropriating for their art, but by the time of their release had basically Ship of Theseus'ed themselves into entities that would not be caught dead in said culture and only end up embarrassing themselves with just how much their choices make them look like posers.

I can't get over how much his "woodsman" outfits look like a kid that dressed up as a lumberjack for Halloween.

“Supplies” is especially funny considering his Trolls character has a doomsday bunker

Why would you only Google your child's name AFTER they've been born and you've given them that name? Surely the Googling should have happened during the name search/ negotiation phase?

Kinda feels like we're using Justin Timberlake as a scapegoat to avoid acknowledging our own culpability in the way Ms. Spears and Ms. Jackson were treated...

Wild that Pharrell has now worked with two Trainwreckords artists yet his own career has survived

I find it funny and interesting that the last three Trainwreckords episodes have been about a rock band going pop, a country singer going pop, and a pop star going country, in that order.

Honestly the NFT Ape rap was the most whiplash-inducing revelation of this video.

Most apt timing for a Trainwreckord ever...

Never forget that JT was the #1 choice for the character of Will Schuster in Glee. We could have had infinite amounts of comedy material if he had just said yes.

Two realizations I had upon re-watching this. 1. This almost reminds me of Tom Petty's Southern Accent. Someone trying to get back to their rootsy elements but ending up producing something more synth heavy. Differences being Southern Accent is good and is more authentic. 2. If Justin wanted to go the country route while still being a pop star, he should've modeled himself on John Denver. He was a folky country guy who was a mainstream hit. But his music was more about the beauty and majesty of nature, not the "I'm a mountain man who wear flannels and does outdoor stuff."

I remember on Anthony Fantano's video about this album someone said that this album was "Reverse engineering Bro Country" and yeah that's what the first part sounds like. Why the hell he chose those as the singles and not the better stuff on the other end of the album I have no idea.

To quote your MC Hammer Trainwreckord: "This whole thing just made me kinda sad. He just wanted to be liked."

I am so SO glad that Todd is out here constantly pointing out that pop culture was really REALLY weird about Britney Spears, for like, her entire career at this point. Leave Britney alone indeed.

This album ruined my Christmas because I had to work on that stupid robot music video. Genuinely, for a bit I thought there was a sequel to iRobot in the works because it was so similar in look. Allegedly, we did it on spec (unpaid, promise of more work), but I was never officially on the project, despite the work I did, so I can't confirm that.

"I love the way his shirt feels against my skin, like it's touching the wings of a butterfly" - Jessica Biel feat. Faith Hill in a parallell universe

It's nice to know that even after all this time, as things change, one thing has remained constant: Todd still hates Chris Brown, and will use any excuse to bring it up.

JT being all "my son's name means 'man of the woods' and my last names is Timberlake so I'm going country!!" has the exact same energy as people who discover they're 1/39th Cherokee and make that their whole personality, but significantly more lame.

Have been mumbling “suppli-ie-ieeees” to myself all day since seeing this

I like to think that the Steve Jobs parody in the "Filthy" video was inspired by the fact that Jobs almost never bathed.

“Attempted movie star and future hard jeopardy question, Jessica Biel” is brutal 😂

I died laughing when the just girly things logo showed up, like the girl who ran that tumblr blog is a lesbian so the idea that she would say she wants to wear a mans shirt is so funny with that added context

'Supplies' feels like a Lonely Island song Justin sent to the wrong producer.

A commercial came on in the middle of that shirt spoken interlude, and I have never felt more relieved that my youtube has ads.

That rogue 'Because music killed my grandma' knocked me dead lmaooo 😂

As a pop fan, I'll find it so humorous when a pop star makes a song that sounds like a political statement but it's very clear that they have no idea what they're talking about. "Supplies" is "American Life" levels of tone deaf

it's plain to see he was inverting "keep your filthy hands off me" but it obviously didn't land as well as he had hoped

this album is if "I'll put you in a mansion....somewhere in wiscansin" was turned into SEVERAL songs

All these clips of Justin Timberlake look like a mockumentary of Justin Timberlake staring Justin Timberlake.

“Did a high schooler write this about her boyfriend during lunch?” Funniest line in the video. We need a quote board like a 2000s website with all of Todd’s greatest lines

"Supplies" feels like a novelty Weird Al track, like doomsday shelters are kinda a 50s kitch esthetic that Al used sometimes in his early albums

In 2002 I read an article that declared Justin Timberlake the NEW King of Pop. The article basically bashed Michael Jackson (whose comeback album "Invincible" flopped hard a few months back) calling him crazy and out of touch with the new millennium, then praised Justin for being hip and cool with tracks that modern club-goers go crazy for. I find this video analysis fascinating because Justin basically fell into the same musical trappings that Michael did- both had a distinct style that worked well for them in one decade, couldn't really cross over to the next, and then failed spectacularly the decade after that because they just couldn't evolve. I guess Justin really WAS the "New King of Pop."

I could Tell Todd was waiting for Timberlake to release new music to "officially" classify it as a Trainwreckord, but Timberlake has been such a trainwreck the last few months that it's the perfect time

A Trainwreckord 6 years in the making. It was worth every second of the wait.

14:08 Justin using a Walking Dead reference in 2018 should have been the first sign of him being irrelevant.

i garauntee you that if justin timberlake had released "montana" as the lead single followed by "breeze off the pond" as the second single, he wouldn't have fallen off AS hard because at least the songs that people could've heard in passing would've been the good ones omg how do you fumble sooooo hard. and DEFINITELY put man of the woods as the VERY. LAST. SONG. on the album.

Todd's yelled accusation of "You all fucking loved Justin Timberlake!" Yeah, dude, it's true. Justified was the first album I ever bought with my own money. 10 year old me could never have imagined that this was where we'd end up.

Timberlake nowadays feels like he's trying to convince his kids he was cool back in the day and them saying "sure you were, dad"

You’d think he would be trying to distance himself from his role of Boo-Boo in the 2010 film Yogi Bear, but he kinda leaned more into it over time 🤔

Todd calling Jessica Biel “a future hard Jeopardy question” has gotta be one of the most incredible roasts he’s ever said.

"I'll be the generator, turn me on when you need electricity" sounds like a parody song someone would invent specifically for a post-apocalyptic setting. It belongs in a Fallout fanfic. What.

I swear, this is going to ruin the tour. The WORLD tour!

"When I'm wearing his shirt it feels like his skin over mine" Ed Gein has entered the chat, I see.

Storytime: when I was a wee child, I lived in southern Louisiana. After Katrina, it was cheap for production companies to work there, so the movie industry in the area really starting kicking into high gear. I lived in a silly little nowhere town next to a slightly larger city. My silly little town became a shooting location, with some vacant storefronts converted to look like a roadside motel. It was said to be an indie flick about a father-son relationship, the son being played by none other than Justin Timberlake. I never saw him, but since this was one of the earliest Louisiana movie projects, people were naturally curious. However, word soon got around that, while dining at a local Mexican joint, JT went beyond the "give me normal human space" quota. Based on hearsay, he asked for even the wait staff to stay far away from him - basically a full-on "keep the commoners away". No body was too fond of him afterwards

"CAUSE CHANGING MY SOUND KILLED MY CAREER, OKAY?!"

The fact that you were actively talking about “Filthy” of all songs, and you sidetracked to talk about a Timbaland produced Bored Ape rap I was not aware about, and _that_ is what sucked the life out of me. Todd, my exposure to this channel and its weird cursed tangents has taken years of my life. Thank you

Remember when the thumbnail said "Bringing Country?! Back"? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

"Down your leg, say, where's the faucet?" ..........WHAT??

The thing about the Man of the Woods music video is that it feels like a corporate-approved clipart version of a "country boy". And Justin Timberlake is too crisp, too clean, too touched up for it to read as country at all. He looks like a regular hipster I'd see around Toronto.

But Todd, have you considered that this video is gonna ruin the tour?

Here's a funny thought: What if, instead of banking on his Memphis roots for country cred, he'd instead drawn from the classic Stax Records soul/blues/rockabilly that Memphis is *actually* famous for? Not only would it have gotten him more critical respect but I think it would've fit the R&B sound he was already doing way better, and from interviews it's clearly the Memphis music he's actually passionate about. Him drawing from Elvis and Otis Redding would've made way more sense (not to mention made a smoother transition from his Rat Pack era) than trying to be all rural and woodsy.

How did we end up with two Justins who made the words "supplies" so cringe. Justin : You ain't running low on suppli-aie-aies

1:24 Les Moonves does not get NEARLY enough blame and hate for ending Janet's career. Like 90% of the hate Justin gets over the fallout from Nipplegate SHOULD go to Moonves. He actually owned the stations that played her music. Had I been aware of Moonves' blackballing of Janet, I would have called a lot more of his radio stations demanding they play Janet (even if that lead single kinda blew).

"Frank Ocean doesn't have to write sea shantys." OK but what if he DID.

I think the Trolls movies have done more to preserve Justin's dignity than his actual music career, if only because of the themes of the movies reflect real life in an honest and fun way, and he still gets to sing good songs. Big sad

I appreciate Todd's consistent hate for Chris Brown! CB is a terrible human.

As a Memphis native, it’s really funny how much JT is trying to come off as Appalachian when his hometown is extremely flat and part of the river delta.

Frank Ocean doesn't have to write sea shanties, but I'd certainly like to hear it if he did

I think Man of the Woods is the result of a crisis of authenticity moreso than masculinity. If it were just about masculinity, he probably would have doubled down on the whole Rat Pack thing from 20/20 Experience and maybe thrown a few Frank Sinatra covers in there. But by 2018 JT had spent the last 20 years of his career, from NSYNC to 20/20Ex, making some of the slickest and most polished capital-P Pop music in the business. A lot of it was really good, even great, but it was still pop music at its core. I obviously don't know the guy personally but if I had to guess I'd say that somewhere along the writing process he began to question whether the music he was making reflected who he was as a person, and picked up on the idea that pop music is inherently inauthentic. It was probably a confluence of multiple influences: becoming a father, his friendship with Chris Stapleton, being a glorified mascot for a cartoon about childrens' toys; but that's what I imagine his thought process was. Ironically, MotW proved the opposite: JT is a pop artist at his core. It's what he knows, what he's good at, it's who he is. This is why he couldn't fully commit to the bit and pull a Folklore/Evermore, and why it ended up coming across as cheap lumberjack cosplay instead of what he was aiming for: real authenticity.

I remember hearing Filthy on the radio for the first time back in 2018 and my first thought about it was “this should not be made by the same guy who said he was bringing sexy back” And that was on my birthday

11:53 "everyone's face will be like they want to shit their pants" JT, the first popstar to think the brown note is desirable

Witness, St. Anger, and at long last, Man of the Woods The Holy Trinity of Trainwreckords is complete

Like most artists Timberlake got older and it became hard to keep up. He rode NSYNC's insane rise in the late 90's and early 00's into a really hot solo career in the mid 2000's. He still kept up in the early to mid 2010's but the cracks were there. By 2018 Timberlake was in his late 30's and caught in a changing pop landscape. From 1998 to 2015ish Timberlake was constantly a successful fixture in pop culture. That's 17 or so years where you are on top or at least in a pretty good spot in the music/entertainment world. So by 2018 there was no way for him to fit into the current pop landscape and he couldn't just do the same thing he had been successful act as he was getting stale with that and having diminishing returns. Now Timberlake is receding into his "Greatest Hits" era and thus the inevitable NSYNC reunion nostalgia act.

"He made his career off of appropriating Black culture" I'm no JT defender but girl, your closest thing to 'black culture' was the line at Chick-fil-A.

What you gonna do with all that meat is one of the most unintentionally funny lyrics ever.

I’m stopping EVERYTHING to watch this

Still anticipating Limp Bizkit’s “Results May Vary” for Trainwreckords aka “The Album that Killed Nu Metal” because by the time RMV came out in 2003, the music industry was sick and tired of the aforementioned genre and Fred Durst’s schtick after Limp Bizkit reached their peak with “Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavoured Water.” Wes Borland leaving prior to the recording of RMV didn’t help either. After Nu Metal died following 2003, Emo jumped in and bands such as My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy and Panic! At the Disco dominated the mainstream rock charts in the mid to late 2000s.

Considering the statement at the end: I mean... if the Backstreet Boys and the New Kids on the Block can still go on tour doing the nostalgia circuit, I'm sure Justin can make four phonecalls and be on the way.

16:35 if I had a nickel for every 2016-2018 trainwreckord whose imagery included the phrase "do you see me" I'd have two nickels

I am 100% certain that Frank Ocean could write a sea shanty that would make you cry

I grew up in a tiny town in middle-of-nowhere Tennessee, and my Spanish III teacher was Justin Timberlake's cousin with family photos to prove it. So I'd have believed he had grown up at least somewhere tangentially near woods, but this was just embarrassing. 19:03 - Brother, you have no idea how hard this made me laugh. Genuinely almost threw up my popcorn. That shit almost killed me.

Oh man, remembering the Suit and Tie vs Thrift Shop discourse...God, I think that's when I started watching your stuff. Thank you for staying at it Todd. I appreciate your work.

Two thoughts I had in quick succession: 1) Yeah, that Alicia Keys collaboration got exactly as much attention as it deserved, and 2) This Jessica Biel spoken word thing has me longing he spent more time on that Alicia Keys collaboration

Trainwreckord causes so far: * Trendchasing that went nowhere (0304, The Funky Headhunter, Ringo the 4th) * "I'll prove the doubters wrong!" (Kilroy Was Here, Funstyle, Passage) * Ego (Be Here Now (the Gallaghers), American Life (Madonna), Cut the Crap (Bernie Rhodes), Summer in Paradise (Mike Love), Mission Earth (L. Ron Hubbard)) * Band/group drama (Van Halen III (especially on Eddie's end), Mardi Gras (arguments with a controlling John Fogerty), St. Anger (Some Kind of Monster), American Dream (four guys that can't stand each other, and only done as a favor), Crown Royal (D wanted nothing to do with it)) * Baffling/inconsistent directions (Cyberpunk, Crash, Witness, Generation Swine, No Fixed Address, Cry, Man of the Woods) * Personal baggage (MTV Unplugged 2.0, Paula, Two the Hard Way, Lost and Found) * A serious case of sophomore slump (Fairweather Johnson, Zingalamaduni, Turn It Upside Down)

i’ve been listening to “montana” and “breeze off the pond” nonstop since this review came out. there’s genuinely good jams on this project.

“Future hard Jeopardy question” knocked the wind out of me

I think the moment Todd realized that “Supplies” was going to have “tImElY PoLiTiCaL cOmMeNtArY” when he saw the random news b roll filtered through the American flag probably gave him Vietnam flashbacks from Madonna’s “American Life”.

This is Kendrick Lamar levels of timing right here. You were waiting on this day your whole life, weren't you?

The Man of the Woods music video looks like it was filmed in a Cabela’s store.

Prior to the pandemic, doomsday prepping was very in vogue among celebrities and rich CEOs. There was a whole article about how everyone was moving to / buying second homes in some remote area of Montana and inflating the locals out of the area. It's were everyone eventually went during the pandemic. That's the energy Timberlake was tapping into with this album because he'd also moved to the same community. The problem with Timberlake is that he was seen as one with power and influence of someone similar to Taylor Swift at his height as a soloist and his mostly female fan base had to watch him slide out of trouble that he contributed to or could have helped to mitigate from his position as a white man. His song "Say Something" feels bigger picture when you take into consideration that the black community and black women in particular were asking him to say something in Janet's defense after the SuperBowl and he did nothing.

Despite it being a flop single, "Filthy" received continuous play at the bowling alley I was working at throughout 2018. It wasn't removed from the alley's regular music rotation until after 2019 began. I guarantee you that I heard that song more times than Todd has.

The lyrics to supplies sound like those moronic nerds who thought that they were going to be the best equipped for a zombie apocalypse and that all the cheerleaders and football players would have to get behind them because years of watching George Romero movies and playing Resident Evil had prepared them for this moment

all i remember from this era was that the album reveal was #2 on trending, just behind logan paul's apology for the suicide forest

I'm surprised there wasn't more discussion about the broader shift in the cultural definition of masculinity from the clean-cut 2000s to the burlier, hairier late 2010s. Justin was always facing an uphill battle there since he was so synonymous with the aughts.

I watched this while lounging in my boyfriends shirt and Biel’s monologue made me want to change