And they put out an awful song. lol

Dr luke was found innocent by the supreme court. She has every right to work with him. And that also proves how kesha lied that katy was also r@ped by luke along with gaga forced her to come out as a victim

Dr luke was found innocent by the supreme court. She has every right to work with him. And that also proves how kesha lied that katy was also r@ped by luke along with gaga forced her to come out as a victim

@@fattiesunite2288 Easy there, tiger. Yes, indeed the R@p3 charges weren't true but that doesn't mean he isn't a scumbag with a poor track record of how he treats the artists on his roster. Katy knows this and still works with him, despite striving to build a feminist persona.

@@fattiesunite2288 the same supreme court that is stacked with Trump appointed judges, one of which was very publicly accused of sexual assault himself, the same court that overturned Roe V Wade? We should trust them why?

ty. returning here for todd's continued relevance. my man.

Todd alluded to covering Lulu at the end of the St. Anger episode

​@llucero94 Lulu is bad but at least has meat on the bone for Lou Reed fans. Not Metallica fans, but that's why the album is named after Lou Reed and Metallica, and not the other way around. It's a Lou Reed album and for that, I kinda like it.

If this new record flops, it'll be the third one in a row.

Honestly three - I like Katy but Witness, Smile and 143 have the potential of a trainwreckord trilogy.

😢😢

Glad the song sucks though. I don't have to hear it

Toddstradamus strikes again

I had to come back to this video after the new song reminded me so much of Hey Hey Hey

"especially not while trying to publicly brand herself as a progressive feminist" ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy lol

maybe her other songs from 143 sound promising

That's not how this works.

4. Backpack kid 😂

6. "Is math related to science?"

@@jtlovescodelyoko I'm surprised Todd didn't mention that on like Day 2 of that stream, Taylor announced she was putting all her music back on streaming services, and you could tell Katy found out and was NOT happy the rest of the stream.

literally, same here

7. She copied Miley’s ugly blonde hair cut

Right?!

@@joshuacoleman8000 I'm not a singer but I feel like it fits the meter? Or at the very least it's close enough a singer could make it fit. Weird that no one in Katy's orbit told her to change the line.

Call me crazy, but i think that was the joke. i guess she wanted to include another animal to match the sheep????

@@GamerTowerDX I think you're giving Sia too much credit.

@@GamerTowerDX it sounds dumb tho. most of Katy's lyrics are cliches or metaphors, even at her most "personal" she's used shit like saving a message as draft or seeing double rainbows lmao

The trial ended earlier this year, Kesha was let go from Luke’s contract due to him clearly not treating her well. But Luke was also found not guilty. Luke is not a rapist, but that doesn’t mean he’s a good person either.

@@SawdustMusic-rd8mj just because someone doesn't lose a trial doesn't mean they could or could not be guilty? especially in a case as rape where evidence is very cruical to be collected in the moments afterwards? i understand he was not found guilty but you never know...

@@venusx5012 fair enough, Luke seems like a pretty uncompationite person regardless. I’ve seen articles about Dr. Luke repeatedly body shaming multiple artists he’s worked with.

What did I miss?

​@@billclockwellher upcoming single is produced by Dr Luke

Ehhhh. Honestly, if her new single was a banger, the Dr Rapist detail would be overlooked by most. That's the way it is, unfortunately. Her single being a flop makes it easier to focus on the detail of her joining up again with Dr Nonconsensual.

Me

I’m not. What happened with Woman’s World?

And both were made scapegoats for things they had no control over, just to satisfy angry bloodthirsty mobs.

​@@louisduarte8763eh I mean Marie Antoinette wasn't the most sympathetic character. She opposed every type of reform and lived a lavish life w/o much regard for the people She wasn't some powerless damsel

Yeah, that was stuck in my head the whole time watching the segment about Hey Hey Hey. Pretty ironic considering how different they were, but like you said, the path is important.

@@highbread817the Prussian had it comin’

@@highbread817lol that could apply to Katy Perry as well!

I never noticed that before, its absolutely hilarious especially considering Offset is standing right next to her when she says it. I would pay money to see a transcript of his internal monologue at that moment.

I never caught that lol

@@waspswarm870”just think about the bag you’ll get from this, don’t think about the weird white lady, just focus on the bag”

​@@thatkidwiththehoodie words we could all live by

@@leaffinite2001 Looking for weird white sugar mommas in my area as we speak.

The storytelling was very on point. If you’re interested, I recommend a channel called Pop Dissected and his video on why Witness was a commercial flop.

Same here. It makes me look forward to (whenever Todd will release it) the "Man of the Woods" episode. This episode is personal to me because Katy was a major star when I was in high school

He was a little too hard on the SNL performance tho

@@DiabloSandwich59 no it is very cringe. he didn’t even say much on it tbh. just trashed migos which feels right after everything

​@@DiabloSandwich59It's such an infamous moment, he kinda had to talk about it with so much detail

How come I've never saw it this way. It's sad and heartbreaking.

She was my first concert I’d ever been to with Teenage Dream, I have that undying love for that experience.

funny, someone here does not know anything about marie anoinette or joan of arc... but still complains.

@@KS-gh9ze How I'm I complaining?. I'm just stating what I feel. This album was plastic and empty. Katy may have had lovely and good natured ideas of change and equality but in the end it was all an artifice wrapped in nothingness. It's sad how forced it sounds, it's not the Katy we know and love. She takes many concepts from this and puts them in Smile, and they shine because it's earnest and has meaning to her as a person and an artist. Marie Antoinette and Joan of Arc had complex lives and yet culturally we will remember one as a wealthy noble woman who lavished in her rich lifestyle while her country suffered and the other one as a martyr who was betrayed by those who worshipped her not so long ago. Both of there downfalls came from patriarchal points of view, Marie didn't have much influence in political decisions and yet the public hated her, she has been remembered ever since as the "let them eat cake" airhead. Joan was named a witch and burned for her undying faith by the same people that were clamoring she was graced by God. Most people usually don't care about the actual history, symbols are easier to understand and remember.

Nah. She was more Imelda Marcos fantasizing about being Mother Theresa. A shallow vapid material obsessed money grubbing tool who is desperate to be seen as a self sacrificing compassionate thoughtful "woman of the people".

Razorfist said it best: "The only thing worse than a bad game that nobody bought is a bad game that everyone bought"

That description could easily be applied to the Last Two Eidos Tomb Raider Games. Tomb Raider: The Angel Of Darkness gets the brunt of the Criticism that was more deserved for Tomb Raider Chronicles.

Watch dogs 2 comes to mind, the first one sucked hard but 2 was pretty good and genuinely fun in a goofy way but did not see the success that the first one did because of the rep of the first game.

@@chrisr1091 Really? Because I didn't buy Watch_Dogs 2 because the promo materials made me think that it was just oversaturated zoomer garbage with a bunch of insufferable kids as the principal cast.

My first thought was the last Jedi and solo

I could see that song working with a singer like Bjork. Her Surreal Output makes me think she could pull it off

@@eamonndeane587 Or Gaga. She was not afraid to be disturbing. Katy's inability to act without making hundered goofy faces ruins it. Imagine this done with a singer who looks actually terrified throughout the video. Who is not afraid to look ugly. Not trying to look like adorable goofball (I mean, Katy cried when people did not like her woke haircut and started to grow it out immediatelly).

This is exactly what The Neon Demon does, the movie that inspired the artwork.

Unfortunately Ke$ha did it better. Check out “cannibal”

Reminds me of the weird video Bieber did for Yummy. Definitely feel like the are wanting to expose something but it doesn’t seem to translate to the public 100%

Well, he could do a One Hit Wonderland for "I Kissed a Girl." Just not Katy Perry's.

The Failed Follow-Up would be California Girls.

I'd definitely say that universe would be much, much better

@@calmbbaerthe Jill Sobule one from the 90s that’s actually about lesbianism?

Waking Up in Vegas turn her around. And so did TGIF.

I totally get what you're saying and agree with the first part. However, I think she failed spectacularly at breaking out of that mold because she did so many interviews and promotions that proved she really was that shallow insubstantial pop bimbo. I never thought she was flat-out stupid, vacuous, and out-of-touch until after Witness came out. Had she done this image change on a smaller scale, she would have been fine, respected even, instead of looking like she just wanted attention.

It's kinda like an actor who has been typecast in one specific kind of role, and is trying to break away from it by taking a role that is jarringly at odds with the typecasting. Only for the audience to reject them for it. I get it. I can see how being typecast can be frustrating. But, when trying to break from the typecasting, one should brace oneself for the backlash and rejection for it. Because that is likely to happen. When you're typecast in a specific type of role it's usually because people want to see you in that kind of role. With Katy, when she tried to stand for things and be serious, people rejected it and said "No. We don't want that from you.", and I get why that would be hurtful and depressing for her. But, at the same time, I'm not surprised that the audience reacted to it in this way, and I think she should have seen it coming too.

@@1987MartinT yeah, very different from Miley Cyrus breaking away from Hannah Montana and coming out with Bangers, she was completely unapologetically herself and was MAKING you okay with her new self, and the songs she released were actually good, so people still liked it. I think Katy Perry struggles with identity issues, so it is hard for her to know how to portray herself, hence ion all the serious moments she makes goofy faces. I think she is too aware of how she is perceived, and is focused on that, rather than trying to just be herself. Even now with her Woman's World song that is about to come out, she is still just doing stuff for others. Witness was her attempt at being different from what she usually does, but it's still not her being herself, it's trying to be political (although I still like the song Chained To The Rhythm)

I would love to see this. It could have started w Bon Appetit - where her hair is hacked off and she transforms. I loved tommy as a kid so I’d love to see more conceptual works like that.

Why did she name it hey hey hey? Like I know she sings that but its such a terrible name for a song

@@__rm307 Swish Swish could've been about how the industry pits women against each other

That would be so good

Wouldn’t it end up being The Wall at home, though?

There's only two types of people in the world. The ones who entertain, and the ones that observe. Well, baby...

@t b Um... I'm not the greatest fan of that man but... isn't he still selling millions of albums well into the 20th year of his career?! I don't see him fading though granted, I personally have abruptly stopped listening to him after the Kamikaze album.

@t b Eminem hasn't faded lmao. He just doesn't participate in pop culture

y not both

Caught this comment right when he said it. Never thought too much about it until now.

It's a shame that Iggy Azalea already tried to lay claim to that persona

@@TheLowBrassDude yeah, and that the song was so successful and also reviled that it kind of ruined it for everyone.

@@TheLowBrassDude She made a video with the Clueless aesthetic. I wouldn't say that he tried for an actual Cher attitude.

Katy Perry isn't that smart, and shallow people rarely have enough self-awareness to know they're completely shallow.

@@Anomaly188 But to me, Katy Perry is far more genuine despite being shallow and ignorant than people like Taylor Swift. Honestly, I think that's probably because she became washed up so it kinda humanized her. As opposed to Taylor Swift who failed at "shade never made anyone else less gay". But yeah, she might not have self-awareness.

and i'd argue the fact that it distracted people only added on to the point of the song. it proved its point. cttr didnt do any of that

I'd say its more about the end of a relationship than anything else - but yeah, it does make lots of references to that too. The sincerity of Andre 3000's performance is what sells the show.

"Y'all don't want to hear me, you just want to dance"

It took digs at the vacuousness of pop songs, but as a whole it was about the bitter end of a relationship.

to be fair, hey ya could play in a pop playlist and blend in completely, which probably helped it in that regard

She reminded me a lot of robin sparkles in “How I met your mother” most of the time.

And it’s crazy how she says it like it’s a choice for her to be either someone who talks about more serious issues or someone who makes fun summer jams. Yet it’s very much possible for both to be the case, for songs to be enjoyed for both the fun, exciting music while still having important things to say. Heck, Katy had already done it at least once in her career with Firework, which is an energetic, fun song you can enjoy on a dance floor and with friends, but still appreciate it for its empowering message. Lady GaGa also did it with Born This Way, an electrifying, easily danceable song that still carries an important message about self-love and acceptance. So with Katy seeming to indicate people are telling her that if she’s going in a sociopolitical direction, that she’d have to give the fun stuff up too, I just want to say that she can kill two birds with one stone in her music.

“Is this what you wanted, you vultures?!”

@@heymistercarter. I feel like maybe Katy was thinking too hard on it, like the more you overthink the message, the more fake and contrived the product ends up being.

You mean "that if I saw it in a movie?"

I feel like every mega successful act who debuted in the late 90's early 2000s will start to experience their commercial decline in this decade. It has already started for acts like Pink, Xtina, Britney and Alicia Keys This mirrors the 90's acts who all started declining in the 2010's people like Mariah, JLo,Shakira,Usher, Mary J Blige just to name a few. They are revered today by the strength of their fanbases but they aren't exactly selling the millions they did before. There seems to be a hidden rule, that every successful act has 10yrs to build a solid fanbase which will carry them for the rest of their career. Some artists are fortunate to have big enough fanbases that enable them to sell well enough to be a viable charting act even while in their commercial decline. KP I feel in her hit making career just didn't gather a big enough fan base to carry her through her 'purposeful pop' era and now I don't see a situation where she will ever be the chart juggernaut she once was. I do think Vegas is a good move for her she really made great light hearted pop songs.

And it's not like there wasn't anything interesting going on. She was married to Russel fucking Brand for fuck's sake.

@@RevsFort Who?

@@HamazuraGOD Former commedian and actor from England. I heard he's covering political news now (for some reason.)

Is it also possible to say that her fans simply grew up? While they may still be able to enjoy the songs they used to listen to, the newer releases no longer appeal to them as their tastes and preferences change as they mature.

... watched the news this week?

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 An upcoming war isn’t as depressing...

Hell if I could ever understand these rich, famous people and their perception of being imprisoned. Rest of us out here worrying about putting food on our tables, going to jobs we don't like (if we're lucky enough to have one), and staring down the barrel of decades of grinding just to survive. Now we get to worry about potential nuclear wars again thanks to incompetent leadership (or malevolent, depending on your view) in the West.

The entertainment industry continually lies and says these women are liberated, but these women are just selling themselves to make money and call it liberation. It's all part of the same system.

@@drb4074 I mean from what I hear, fame isn't exactly all it's clamored up to be. You have constant public scrutiny, no privacy, and you have a facade to keep up to the public 24/7 unless they want them to eat them up. It's basically putting up a permeant act unable to truly be yourself or even human. ...Not that that's any worse than what you said but if anything I hope that at least provides some perspective on that matter so famous people problems with being imprisoned makes some kind of sense.

Agree completely. imo she didn’t “get woke” or educated, she just got preachy. She went from shallow but fun to just shallow.

It's like being in a hot tub for too long when the heat starts to get less and less comfortable. Then you look over and realize the jets are off but there are still bubbles...

yeah perry's biggest problem is her disdain for being offensive, ironic given that she burst onto the scene with a tongue in cheek song about casual girl-on-girl that got the conservatives up in arms and Ur So Gay, which got many liberals up in arm. Maybe because she experienced backlash for those things, she decided to make generic, inoffensive pop music. She's just done it for so long that she doesn't know how to not: even when she's trying to have a message, it's the most lukewarm neutral position she can take

It’s like when a rock band that is known for being fun like say a college rock band releases an album that they say is them going in a “deeper, more serious and more mature direction for the band”, absolute death knell that the songs are going to suck.

Earnest uncertainty is a difficult posture to adopt in this kind of pop music.

Yeah, I was having some serious American Life flashback with this

Makes sense. Todd referenced Katy in the American Life video for that exact reason.

Maybe it also paints your audience in a negative light as well? Like writing a book that calls any of its fans idiots? At least that's my theory...

Both women are also completely oblivious to the fact that any of their attempts at tackling more serious subject matter are just steeped in ridiculous amounts of self-centeredness.

@@nah....6151 American life was a goddamn joke At least I can see how Katy may have felt remorse after making nothing but vapid shit all her career and deciding to correct it by making chained to the rhythm

Nunca había escuchado eso, pero 100% lo creo jajajajaja

Where?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

nunca lo había escuchado pero si es súper ingenioso ngl jfjfjnf

That’s hilarious 😂

man, i wish that idea caught on in the states. imagine every hard flop album out of a massive star being called a 'witness album"

Lol tell everyone you're a hardcore Gaga fanboy/girl without telling everyone... 🤦

@@Cooe. Lol leave your stan war bs at the door please

@@Cooe. Nothing “hardcore” about admitting Gaga had more artistry, creativity and depth in her pinky finger than Katy Perry 😂 And im saying this as someone who enjoys Katy’s songs! But Lady Gaga was and IS still leagues ahead of Katy!

I feel like Artpop retrospective wouldn’t qualify for Trainwreckords. True, it was a pretty big flop at the time for Lady Gaga, but as you mentioned it garners a lot of respect today. And, simply put, Lady Gaga has been far too successful post-Artpop for it to be considered a Trainwreckord.

So people are saying things like "This album is [Latin Pop Musician]s Witness"? Man, that's just brutal.

@@Tzilandi I saw someone recently say that "Dawn FM is going to be TheWeeknd's Witness" or something like that. That album is STILL widely known as a moment of shame in the pop fandom in general.

I always comparer with Lotus and the Lotus tour lol

Such as who? I don´t know of any latam pop artist who are on the outs right now

Honestly, go on r/popheads and a ton of pop music fans use “flop era” on a regular basis! Same with “witness era”, although rn Lorde’s Solar Power is gaining popularity in referring to an album that did nothing

Seeing this story play out more than once, I think the best course of action for these types is make the art that you like/that sells, and just fund/donate to causes and organizations you personally believe in.

As soon as she cut her hair and stopped trying to be America's sweetheart and actively tried to talk about real problems, she was mistreated by the media. She should've waited two more years, in 2019 many singers became politically woke, it was a trend.

I bit off topic, but did Todd do a Trainwreckords on Taylor Swift?

@@srslydoatm9251 , no. So far, I don't think TayTay has had a real career ending or even relevance ending album.

@@truthwooph4083 congrats, you managed to type that all out and somehow still say nothing. I hate woke trends as much as anybody else, but your little rant here is conspiracy tier

God I hope so

Tbf I can’t really blame anyone who wants to forget that song 😆

It was the most explicit song of hers that had a video and was released as a single. I don't think either were true about Peacock.

lmao I used to listen to that song when I was feeling sad because it was so raunchy and ridiculous that it would instantly cheer me up

Eh, Peacock still fits within her typical cheesy, somewhat juvenile type of sexuality. Sure, it’s a swear word technically, but any edginess is swiftly smothered by a corny-ass bird pun.

i love peacock it’s so unnecessarily dirty and funny

Ah yes,the two genders.

Fr

You know, it's kinda weird now how Kesha and Willow Smith are bigger than Katy Perry. My 15 year old self would have never believed this.

Same here, though I feel like Taylor is approaching that status too.

For real

I thought the same thing once I started watching the video!

Her comeback this year would’ve been fine without him (giving many people were starting to appreciate her again on social media with Teenage Dream trending). Now, she’s getting MAJOR backlash for hiring him back.

@@elijahtorres2688honestly I don’t blame her for bringing him back. The trial ended earlier this year and Luke wasn’t guilty, that said he still clearly treated Kesha very badly but that doesn’t affect Katy personally. Also, most of Teenage Dream was produced by Luke so money is also very likely involved.

@@SawdustMusic-rd8mj guilty or not, he has lost the court of public opinion and his name is like poison when other celebrities associate with him, at the very least online

well, the new song she released with him was terrible. i doubt it'll have longevity like the hits from her peak. it's probably gonna be like justin timberlake's filthy, ridiculed then drop off the charts with the blink of an eye.

​@@sirgemini5743Which it did, its only a few days since Woman's World and it already dropped of the charts, not even in the Top 200 ☠️

It’s also the only song from this album I had any prior experience with since I remember it got a decent amount of radio play so it was often playing on car rides so I at least had the hook stuck in my year even if I had otherwise long tuned out the radio and was more listening to anime OSTs or whatever else I was listening to on my phone or something LOL

And the irony is that it's the song from Witness she was trying to sell as a gay anthem (hence her performing it with the drag queens). But by 2019 the gays had left Katy for Taylor. 😂😅

FFS that's ruthless

WOW! Did they all head right to the bar and get drunk to numb the pain of the cringe?

Oh this was the album I recall all of my gay friends turning against. It became such a punchline so quickly in the bars.

You were born after 2003?

I love this too but that might just be because I grew up with Katy Perry.

Same here! I remember the SNL performance….cringe

And wasn't Funstyle pretty recent too?

Get hype for the Man of the Woods trainwreckord episode next year

The penius colada line came from Liz Phair

​@@solesurvivor327 How could you say that with such casualty?

My bad, as many have pointed out I said Jewel did the dick joke but it was Liz Phair.

It's never a bad time to mistakenly remember Jewel when talking about crap lyrics.

Is the Tiger reference from Roar

Dr luke was found innocent by the supreme court. She has every right to work with him. And that also proves how kesha lied that katy was also r@ped by luke along with gaga forced her to come out as a victim

I'm heavily dissapointed as well, I just hope it was more the record label's choice than Katy's (and that the record is actually good)

It sucks too because Swish Swish is arguably the better song sound wise!

I’m sorry but the video for Bad Blood is so corny

but they never officially said those were diss tracks

27:32 is a reference to this 2017 meme kzfaq.infocbKmm_xAEro

@@cryptopian *watches* Well that’s… random. Not sure why she went with that, but okay.

Does Pluto counterbalance the sun?

This is the best comment on this video

@@speelbergoMF In a way, yes. All gravitational bodies orbit around the mutual barycenter.

Adding Katy Perry and Todd to my list of pairs that have been compared to the Joker and Batman in KZfaq comments

Personally I feel Madonna is the Joker to Todd's Batman.

It was justified criticism, though. Even when she was "good" she sucked terribly.

I'd never heard it before this video and... no, I like it.

He said he liked it in the video

@@Trouser_J_Slacks Yes, but from what I understood, he liked it in spite of Katy Perry, whereas I don't really care if Katy Perry is the singer or not. I just like the song.

Todd literally put this song in his top 10 of 2017

@@nikeneon3188 I forgot about that! He did, didn't he? I'm sorry, I just realized I very likely misinterpreted his opinion on this song. My apologies. I still feel rather alone in my love of this song, but at this point, I'll take comfort in the fact that one of my more respected KZfaq critics shares it with me.

she needs to collab with arca

I agree.

Chained to the Rhythm and Never Really Over are literally the only two songs of hers I like, lol. absolutely haaaaaaaate everything else. even Teenage Dream.

I think her new single (when I’m gone) is good, but I don’t think she’ll ever get that momentum back

@@dvillines26 I agree. when I heard Chained to the Rhythm, I thought, "Wow. Finally a good song from Katy Perry." I still think it's her best.

Tbh, Katy Perry does kinda give off Mr. Peanut Butter vibes

Talking to Taylor: "What are youuuuuuuuuuuuuu doing here?"

Marie Antionette and Joan of Arc in the same room, what is this a crossover episode?

See, I think of a different Will Arnett performance: Gob Bluth standing in front of the Magicians Alliance with a sign "We Demand to be Taken Seriously"

I'll be damned if you didn't paint a picture with those words. I can see it in my head clear as day.

One Of The Boys is honestly really underrated. It’s pop, but it still has a bit of an edge to it. It’s her attempting to craft an image and for herself free of her conservative upbringing, but it’s not edgy for the sake of being edgy (okay, well Ur So Gay is, but)

Katy and Demi Lovato are two artists who should embrace their pop rock origins for their next projects

@@erikdaniels0n WHats interesting, is there rock remakes of her songs, and she has a the perfect voice for that, it comes off really good

One of the Boys (the song) is one of my favorite Katy songs and I was surprised it wasn't a single and was basically a hidden gem on an already hidden album. I hope that, with the rise in popularity of pop-rock during this decade (as it's basically a rule that every 20 years a music genre will be popular again), she goes back to that style.

@@UnforgivenRonin really? Do you have a link to that?

I don't remember Kylie talking about making "purposeful" pop or an anthem of some kind. Maybe it helps, too.

Agreed. Katy is a flop tbh

I agree with this so much. It reminds me of that one famous painting of Kronos.

I would honestly be interested in a short horror film with this premise. As eroticism, though, it... doesn't quite hit the mark.

I really think that might have been the point. I think she might have been deliberately trying to deconstruct the sexualisation of herself in her previous videos by literally depicting herself as an object for consumption, and taking things so far that it passed "sexy" and hit "body horror." ...The problem is that she's Katy Perry, so she ran face-first into Poe's Law. ...When you've built your career on your cheerfully tasteless image, how exactly do you make a video that's so tasteless and gross that it's immediately identifiable as a deconstruction of your old videos?

When you realise that this very un-sexy jam about sex followed Katy's attempt at being "Purposeful," you just have to laugh. Also, Fuck the Hunger Games movies.

@@Talisguy at least the books are great

It just looks (and sounds) old.

HOLY SHIT YES...as an ex fan I highly want this

A truly terrible album

It's a lyrics from Katy's song "Never Really Over" (2019).

@@dmitriyshepher2493 So is my reply 😀

Fantastic metaphor. Stealing it.

Sort of the old saying that a candle that burns twice as bright lasts only half as long.

You could have just said "Firework artist", you were so close

I LOVE that metaphor- it's honest without being derogatory. People like firecrackers and they like campfires. There's a place for both of them. Hats off to you sir!

@@TheBfutgreg I had my saying first before it applied to Katy Perry.

plus how the albums the songs are from have been viewed - artpop is largely seen as being misunderstood by critics of its time while prism is almost entirely forgotten. legit one of my favourite songs rn is an artpop b side and i could not name a single b side from prism lmao

@@iwakeupandboomimaratWhat’s the name of the Artpop B-side that you like so much? I need to hear it!

@@marvelousTUD mary jane holland! its not a masterpiece fair warning but i fucking adore it lol, i also enjoy donatella and swine but idk if they count as b sides

@@soldjaroffortun3if you have to listen to one Artpop b side, it’s Brooklyn nights. If you have to listen to one Gaga song, it’s probably also Brooklyn night. Other honourable mentions are: Princess die (live only, all studio version are fake), Partynauseous, Stache (Princess High). In an alternate universe, this b-side album would be the biggest event album that launched industrial EDM to new heights.

​@@iwakeupandboomimaratPrism doing 3x amount of streams that Artpop does daily. Critics don't give you streams hun

That’s rather ironic, ain’t it?

Heck yes

Ikrrrrr I’m so hyped

Literally

To me it's more a good middle of the night.

Think that'd be a good Trainwreckords candidate?

THANK YOU. I was neither a fan, nor an anti-fan of Christina when that was released, but I even remember alllll the people (aka - online gays) just DUNKIN' on that album.

Maybe, but I think Witness' failure was the first one to break out of the stan world and reach even the general public's conscience. There isn't a Bionic version of Katy's SNL performance or the 24 hours "is math related to science" livestream. Like Todd said in the video, Witness might not have been the first flop... but it was the loudest.

OOOF! The Bionic Album hurts me because I LOVED Christina Aguilera's prior work. Back To Basics in particular!

Every album from Christina are so different.She had been successful for 3 albums with completely different styles but It also made her fan base not stable.Bionic was a great album but her last album Back to Basic was very retro very 50s 60s and suddenly to bionic.That’s a really big change.It flopped so hard that even Lotus outsold it.

Marge in the background cinched it!😂

@@justin5002 unironically i liked the marge clip better. ran circles around katy purely on charm

Yeah, but pop stars are never gonna call for revolution. To go against the status quo would be to go against their interests. They can make songs about social injustice or donate to important causes or whatever, but real change would fuck with their bottom line, and that means no more top of the line cars, no more fancy outfits, no more private jets, no more massive stadium tours with huge sets and a small army of proles to break it down and rebuild it someplace else in exchange for peanuts…

i'm in the same boat as you pretty much; all i had heard was swish swish and chained to the rhythm off the album and it wasn't until this video that i decided to check out one or two more songs (which i actually think are pretty good -- especially pendulum)

i think if the entire album was like chained to the rhythm it wouldnt have been a complete flop lmao

listen to the full album but not bon appetit and swish swish. those two songs ruin the album for me

Ultimately my only problem with Chained To The Rhythm is that it really does feel like Katy Perry is calling her fans dumb.

@@unmessable12 true, i think you can like it if ur not a fan of her but if ur like. a diehard katy perry stan i guess and her first new single is about how youre actually braindead sheeple for listening to her probably isnt great lmao

which is the other?

@@jules6631 Madonna - American Life

@@dyldragon1 ah thank you

If i got a nickel for every time-

…Does Jewel make it three?

I was also really not into the switch over to darker music from that time, but I also think it was me not liking the switch to more EDM/trap stuff being mixed into pop music that had already happened (as well as being pretty contrarian at the time). I distinctly remember hearing Cheap Thrills by Sia for the first time in late 2015 and thinking it sounded really refreshing. At the time I couldn't tell why, but later on I realized: it was a pop song with a chorus. By that point, most pop songs had gotten rid of them, so just by adding one in, the song felt unique.

@@321gofast7 it seems like your and my perception of chorus in songs is really different because from what I remember, every hit songs in the 2015-2018 even the trap/edm one all have chorus in it

Katy is basically just on the back burner. She still has decent numbers (not as good as before but nothing to be ashamed of, contrary to what Twitter losers say) and has a solid core fanbase. She's often quite fondly looked upon by most contemporary pop music lovers as they grew up with her and respect the works she did in the early- mid 2010s. Idk why some people take this so negatively, it's completely normal. She doesn't even make the same kind of contagious smash hits as she used to anyway

This is why the 2010's continue to fascinate me in terms of Pop and Electronic music. Imagine going from (for example) Zedd's 'Spectrum' to 'The Middle', or LMFAO's 'Sexy And I Know It' to gnash's 'I hate u, i luv u,' or even 'Teenage Dream' to 'Chained To The Rhythm.' The change on tone after just five years is palpable!

There are a lot of Leftists and liberals dominating in the entertainment industries. Most of them were afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome, and as such, started their woe-is-me self-pitying around that time. That's what shit all over your pop-candy fun and joy. These childish people were so depressed they started to dump all over our fun pop music. That's why I don't want politics puking all over my music. I want to enjoy music for music. Not to hear what the asshole singing thinks about politics. Whether the asshole agrees with me or not. When I listen to pop music, I want to feel good and enjoy the music. Me and the rhythm, to paraphrase a Selena Gomez hit.

Boosting

Agreed

Culture II was a big success though. All the singles hit their mark, which is what Migos fans care more about. It's just a bloated album to actually sit through, which most Migos fans don't care about. It seems more to me that Migos career rose and fell with the wave of trap music that was omnipresent in 2017-2018, but has gradually diminished since the start of the 2020s.

I hate how good he is at his job…

I mean, from the looks of it, being a sex pest is the sure shot way to get work in Hollywood.

And yet it’s basically been written off as bullshit that anything even happened..that’s probably why

Well, he DID win his defamation lawsuit against Kesha. So technically, everything he did is still alleged. ... Still, tho...

I’d imagine Doja’s popularity has a hand in that. It seems like she’s also going thru a weird thing right now, so time will tell.

She kind of learned her lesson in Smile (disregarding the Smile song and album art being a Circus 💀), where she went a MUCH more mature approach for most of her singles (which i liked), but she went BACK to her Witness cringe approach AGAIN for Woman’s World… And to make it worse, she HIRED back Dr. LUKE- Now, Woman’s World is supposed to be a satire song, but it’s so terrible and hypocritical (given the song was produced by an ABUSER). She did leaked some more songs for 143 on her Instagram live, and although they sound MUCH better, they sound pretty generic and basic. Other pop stars today, like Charli XCX (electropop/hyperpop), Olivia Rodrigo (Poprock), Chappell Roan (campy & nostalgic synth pop), and Sabrina Carpenter (dance-pop, consisting of disco and funk) have unique styles. Katy’s current style is a bit dated. She failed to reach the current style of pop music, given we’re not in the 2010s anymore. Currently, she tried to be MUCH more hypersexual with her looks, in desperation to bring back the Teenage Dream days. If she wanted to bring back the Teenage Dream vibe (given Sabrina right now has a similar vibe with Espresso, which people like), which she could’ve easily done so, she could’ve bring back her old bubbly self being mature, as well hiring a WAY better producer that doesn’t make OUTDATED and generic beats, inquire new music concepts she’s never done, mainly disco/funk/synth pop (like Sabrina), or even go back to her older poprock roots from the One of The Boys album (like Olivia Rodrigo done with Sour and Guts). If she was gonna do dancepop, she needs to do it right, mainly… DON’T make it sound like some cringy Millennial shit. And back to Dr. Luke, it’s disappointing she even back to him, despite the whole lawsuit and being warned by her TEAM to NOT hire him back. She also seems to NOT care about what people will think and want from her. She thinks just because she once had 5 #1 singles in an album (nearly as much as Michael Jackson), she’s automatically a hit, when she’s not when it comes to new music. Oh, Katy…

By this logic, the Green Day trilogy trainwreckords has to be the overstaying overkill moment. Another artist he’s mentioned regularly who flopped by trying too hard but has almost always just been referenced, never discussed (on his own videos at least).

@@Keopro if Green Day has a trainwreckord, it will certainly be Father of All... . The Uno-Dos-Tre trilogy was bad but it didn't stop Green Day stans for buying it. Father of All... was so bad, it killed the entire fandom of Green Day.

@@musyarofah1 From what I've heard, Father Of All... was something of a troll record, some attempt to get out of their contract rather than something truly serious. So I guess it's more like two albums Todd's referenced before: Bob Dylan's Self Portrait and Eminem's ENCORE.

@@musyarofah1 That's a tough decision because the trilogy was the beginning signs of cracks and a PR mess between the mixed reception, Billie's chaos and subsequent rehab. They were still a big band & sold concerts but they lost a lot of their power as a name after that. Revolution Radio was a return to form but still not a big win overall then Father Of All... was them throwing whatever they wanted at the wall. Both the trilogy & Father Of All could be seen as disasters to differing degrees but it's like comparing Encore to Revival with Eminem. Both a major blow to what they were prior.

Same, I've also been waiting FOR YEARS for the Man of the Woods episode. At least I can sit back and enjoy this gem of an episode

Wtf? I, never in a million years, didn’t expect a JoJotuber to be in this comment section

Dr luke was found innocent by the supreme court. She has every right to work with him. And that also proves how kesha lied that katy was also r@ped by luke along with gaga forced her to come out as a victim

Dr luke was found innocent by the supreme court. She has every right to work with him. And that also proves how kesha lied that katy was also r@ped by luke along with gaga forced her to come out as a victim

There used to be this really crass parody group called Adam and Andrew, and back when they were working on their never-released 4th album in 2008, they released two demos. A parody of "Stronger" about Kanye West having meltdowns at award shows (in 2008, I repeat), and a parody of "I Kissed a Girl" about getting shitty one-hit-wonders stuck in your head. And I just remember how the first song was at least twice as relevant as it was intended to be, while the second song inadvertently made an extremely wrong prediction. On your point about them sounding ephemeral, I do wonder if I'd ever be able to tell that a song is a Katy Perry song without having already heard it was.

Yea, for any other artist, a song like I Kissed A Girl would've been a one-hit wonder. So in a way, Katy is a would-be one-hit wonder who got lucky enough to have other hits afterwards.

@@heymistercarter. "Hot n Cold" was A PERFECT second single. A once in a lifetime chance. Had her picked any other song, she would probably had lost her momentum.

I really thought her, Kesha, and Soulja Boy were gonna be one hit wonders. It's crazy that they all kinda came out around the same time.

"It felt so wrong, It felt so right."

Tbh, she hasn’t really been relevant since 2017? 2018? Her cameo in Taylor Swift’s Calm Down music video temporarily boosted her but :/ I’m online a lot and still hear Taylor Swift and Lady Gaga where “the kids” hang out but I haven’t even thought of Katy Perry until this video popped up :/

I didn't realize she was a thing. I thought she was "ooooh, that one hit wonder that had a fun song called 'I kissed a girl and I liked it'". I just found out she was more than that one song.

@@coconutshampoo9025 I hadn't heard of "Never Really Over" until I saw it in one of Todd's end of the year lists (and I believe I found Chained to the Rhythm the same way, though it's been a while so I could be wrong).

Same

This is a total lie it was her discography combined

@@rafikgermany26 I'm pretty sure it did, witness was number 1 with 180k album units and only had 18k streaming units which is very less for a number 1 Album