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@Leena792 жыл бұрын
If someone was to tell me they're a christian, I wouldn't call them an atheist or a muslim. That would be stupid, and kinda rude, even if I personally am not religious. Even if someone is a complete transphobe and doesn't believe the scientific proof of genders being a thing, like this lady who compared gender theory to a religion, then out of respect for other people's beliefs, they still should respect our pronouns. Her logic doesn't add up.
@lorifiedler132 жыл бұрын
Wanna see their head explode? Call them Heathen. 😂
@Leena792 жыл бұрын
@@lorifiedler13 I'm tempted to try 😂.
@liminaltrash2 жыл бұрын
Hehe I'm a gay Christian
@friend_trilobot2 жыл бұрын
I was trying to figure out how to say something like this, but couldn't figure out how to word it! Good job!
@tournesol992 жыл бұрын
You wouldn't, but people like this have similar behaviours to religious fundamentalists. So really, the logic makes perfect sense in you remove the details and just look at it as the discrimination it is.
@carr07602 жыл бұрын
Wait, wait, wait....did that woman really just say that gender roles exist but gender doesn't?!
@airplanes_aren.t_real2 жыл бұрын
"Gender doesn't exist, there's only *explains gender* "
@DeathnoteBB2 жыл бұрын
As an agender person, a part of me thinks she’s agender and extremely confused
@alchemysaga37452 жыл бұрын
Part of that is people saying that "gender is social" or that "gender is a social construct." Which implies that gender is the same thing as a gender role, and thus that your gender is 'really' your gender role, so it 'shouldn't matter' if you are misgendered, or that you have physical dysphoria. It's basically an attempt at a "gottem" based off the faulty idea that gender, gender role and a biological sex are all 'really the same thing.' And thus that transgender people 'don't exist.' Or that if someone is transgender but doesn't blindly conform to 'gender roles,' for their identifying gender, they 'aren't *really* trans.' It's why I've had an ongoing issue with people saying that gender is a social construct in an attempt to support trans and NB rights- whether people realized it or not, the idea that "gender is a social construct and thus not real, so being trans (and/or) NB is fine" is just as much an invalidation as a validation. Because if gender is a 'social construct' and thus 'not real' it basically lends to 'then there's no reason for you to transition if your gender dysphoria doesn't exist.' But a fair amount of people who try to be allies have become rather mad when I've tried to point this out, because... I guess it is different than what they first learned? shrugging Gender is a fact, as it relates to someone neurology, meaning their literal brain. Gender *roles* and norms are a social construct that consists of expectations placed on an individual based on their interpreted gender and sex. It's malleable, not based in any fact of reality, and can even differ between cultures. Sex is a set of physical traits that ranges across a spectrum, but has historically been oversimplified due to lack of scientific progress, religion and imperialism based oppression, and human fear and hatred of things that are outside the norm to any degree. Or in short, people saying that gender is a social construct leads to some intense and problematic misunderstandings.
@barrylangille35232 жыл бұрын
@@alchemysaga3745 thank you. I was bothered by thevwhole "gender is a social construct" thing for just these reasons. You explained it well. Am I correct in my perception that gender is inherent, but gender roles are the social construct? I think I'm just simplifying what you just said, but but I'd lije to get it clear in my own head.
@NovaSaber2 жыл бұрын
@@barrylangille3523 That's the way I've always seen it. "Gender (meaning gender identity) is a social construct" sounds more like the TERF view than the trans-affirming one to me.
@Z.A.N.E2 жыл бұрын
"Gender shouldn't exist" Me, a non-binary person: I can agree for now but I know where this is going-
@Schnort2 жыл бұрын
I really am that hoe that says "gender roles are garbage" but gets euphoria for reinforcing traditionally masculine roles to myself.
@Ajehy2 жыл бұрын
@@Schnort I think that the biggest problem is being forced into gender roles. I identify quite strongly as a woman, but I hate when people assume that I’m not a hardcore gamer or that I love makeup. My pronouns and identity don’t determine what I can like, achieve or become, and our society needs to learn that.
@eclatshwartzbaumcybertune2063 Жыл бұрын
😊😊😊
@emma-janeadamson4099 Жыл бұрын
I'm not doubting Jamie's science, but there is certainly an extent to which gender is socially constructed, so, yes, there is reasonable argument that gender shouldn't exist. That doesn't mean you MUST identify as the sex you were assigned at birth, but that that sex doesn't actually mean anything socially.
@soarimg Жыл бұрын
@@Ajehywhat does gender feel like? I’m going through a bit of a crisis
@whatsyourname95812 жыл бұрын
The whole argument of "Pronouns are stupid" and "nobody uses pronouns" is so hilarious, because the only person I can think of that never used pronouns is Dobby, the houseelf from Harry Potter.
@Ash-ri4xd2 жыл бұрын
well that's ironic
@kristinafontaine30972 жыл бұрын
And Elmo
@anzaia21642 жыл бұрын
But even for Dobby, when other people refer to him, they use pronouns. So, while Dobby doesn't use pronouns in his own speech, he does go by certain pronouns.
@JustAdriana2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I hear or read someone saying that, I use the pronouns I know will make them mad. In this case, I'd just call them she/her, just because I know they're a mysoginystic transphobic moron.
@raini142 жыл бұрын
this is so funny cuz jk rolling is transphobic
@hawkfae96952 жыл бұрын
The "We don't force our religion on you" one feels like such false equivalence. They're not forcing HRT on them, they just want them to respect their choices. Her refusing to refer to someone's gender, would be like someone referring to her as another religion instead of the one she follows.
@tabby62842 жыл бұрын
The problem is some of them do try to force their religion on people. I had a person literally chase me to my car to ask me if I knew about Jesus. There was no provocation she just made untrue assumptions about me because I was wearing a Dark Side star wars shirt. Then when I told her that I already had religion and didn't need hers she tried to hold my car door open, to keep me from leaving, while screaming at me that Jesus love me and I should go to church with her and be saved.
@murdermyinsanity2 жыл бұрын
@@tabby6284 My 12yo daughter was literally forced out of our home town because she reported her health teacher for saying god designed women as sexual objects or men and a bunch of anti lgbt stuff. That happened last year in the US. She got many death threats and literal teachers were sharing photos of her home. I’m pretty confident in saying religion being forced on people is a bigger problem than someone asking to be called they.
@Poedoco2 жыл бұрын
oh they (the christians) definitely force it. i see that uppercase G and some bible quote and i’m runnin
@hevalemin65202 жыл бұрын
Religion gets forced on LGBTQ+ people ALL THE TIME
@baizhuwaitingroom70572 жыл бұрын
It's so ironic, because literally no one forces HRT on them, on the contrary, coming from a Catholic country, I got forcefully signed up for that cult by getting baptised as an infant, and then force-fed religion until my late teens even though the part of family I was raised by isn't religious in the first place, it's just this ever-present pressure from the society, and the fact the Church can't mind its business and is trying to creep into your life at every step.
@mileswestrich82362 жыл бұрын
props to u for having the actual patience to watch these and react so calmly
@ChristianGibbons7772 жыл бұрын
Well it’s pretty easy to react calmly to these things. I can see where they’re coming from also. Why’s it challenging for you to be calm when watching these also??
@bnuuyboy2 жыл бұрын
@@ChristianGibbons777 not all of us are neurotypical and if i am subjected to certain statements constantly it does make me less than calm even if i've found myself able to keep to myself, i've been diagnosed literal PTSD and the main contributor being microagressions that my psyc said contributed to that diagnosis, and microagressions can be even less than how blatant some of these remarks are
@dabi-is-online232 жыл бұрын
Ikr, I could never lmao
@arizonagreenbee2 жыл бұрын
@@bnuuyboy I'm neurodivergent and take steps to heal and be able to react calmly in a high stress situation. It's hard but it's possible.
@semperfi8182 жыл бұрын
@@ChristianGibbons777 Some of us have what amounts to an allergy to stupidity and/or mean-spiritedness, that renders unmediated exposure to these sorts of bigotries genuinely painful; I'd presume that my being neurodivergent might factor into this, as others have stated. Jamie's sweet decency and playful approach do, however, leach enough toxicity out of these bursts of concentrated transphobia and ignorance that I can happily watch him gracefully take the piss out of them without issue.
@scooter61042 жыл бұрын
Okay, but it's clear that the second tiktoker has never interacted with someone related to a non-binary person. The conversation would've been a bit more like this OP: Is he your brother? Person: Actually, they're my sibling. Their name is [insert name here]. That would normally be it (unless the tiktoker wanted to try and cause drama).
@KougajiCalling2 жыл бұрын
I do believe that is the point.
@AnnieL194 Жыл бұрын
to be honest I did get screamed at for assuming. I'm not saying it's common but it does happen xD
@vexgnos51842 жыл бұрын
I love how people think they/them can’t be used in a singular form, and then proceed to use it in a singular form its just ✨magnificent✨
@carr07602 жыл бұрын
I always love when I find out I'm not a woman because I'm infertile. I guess I'll start using the men's washroom then. I'm sure that won't bother anyone at all...
@airplanes_aren.t_real2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the three genders Male Female and infertile /j
@RuneDrageon2 жыл бұрын
I thought i was a cishet guy, but since i found out i don't want kids i am now a pseudo cis guy? It always feels like these kind of people try to find the 'Gotcha!' thing to prove their innate bias rather than actually understanding the huge amount of variables that go into any scientific subject.
@airplanes_aren.t_real2 жыл бұрын
It really annoys me how he was asked to define a woman and he said "women generally are capable of making babies" because not only was that the first thing in his mind when thinking about women but it also doesn't define it since it doesn't encompass the entire concept It's like if someone asked me to define snakes and I said "well they are generally reptiles with less than 2 legs and arms" which could be the same definition of most reptiles
@nael-3-2 жыл бұрын
Yeah just the same as my non binary lover and I (genderdluid) wanting kids- we're now cisgender?
@RuneDrageon2 жыл бұрын
@@nael-3- Yes, welcome to my former club! You both can use my seat in the front.
@webeewaboo2 жыл бұрын
Pro tip: Stuffing cats down your pants makes you a woman, and stuffing chicken down your pants makes you a man. Easy fix for dysphoria.
@Missingno_Miner2 жыл бұрын
Rather abusive to the cat or rooster, which can and will hurt you if you do that. I don't just mean physically, speaking as a cat owner, cats are capable of being very petty and they *will* find ways to torture you while looking too adorable to stay mad at them for long. Can't say the same for the rooster, having never had one as a pet, but there are still less sentient options.
@jennasmol2852 жыл бұрын
What does 3 cats make me?
@Missingno_Miner2 жыл бұрын
@@jennasmol285 I think it makes you a minimum of two short of being considered the "crazy cat lady" stereotype.
@R_i_t_s_u2 жыл бұрын
what about nonbinarys? do we just, jump out the window or--
@Missingno_Miner2 жыл бұрын
@@R_i_t_s_u Maybe try a hen instead of a rooster? Idk, just don't jump out any windows.
@Greysona2 жыл бұрын
“THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN SOMETHING IS FORCED DOWN YOUR THROAT!!” *makes up a strawman scenario that has never happened in the entire span of time and space itself*
@LaylaSpellwind Жыл бұрын
"Are they your sibling?" Done, easy. Grammatically correct.
@Mel-qr5ob2 жыл бұрын
"forcing" lol we're not telling HER to be trans. But she said she forces her religion on others, ie she wants YOU to be Christian.
@echo_soldier2 жыл бұрын
"Can you call me they/them?" "YOURE FORCING YOUR GENDER ON ME OH MY GOD" "But they're my pronouns-" "I AM A WOMAN HOW DARE YOU" Literally what she sounded like
@FrozEnbyWolf1502 жыл бұрын
You know, it's like when transphobes treat rights as a zero sum game. What they're really complaining about is losing their religiously motivated "right" to harass and discriminate. In addition to the fact that they don't speak for all Christians, they also never had those rights to begin with. Saying something stupid, and having others say things back, is not the same as losing one's right to free speech.
@DeathnoteBB2 жыл бұрын
“We’re not taking y’all to court over Jesus” Bruh It was called the Inquisition
@sisuguillam51092 жыл бұрын
@@DeathnoteBB and quite often they actually do try to take people to court... or at least try to. The cheek!
@DenisLiasis2 жыл бұрын
You are due forcing your idiocy on others. And if they do not comply they are automatically transphobic and everything else. No one is going to agree with you on everything. Especially on scientific things like biology.
@charliemorningstar72512 жыл бұрын
There's a difference between forcing religion on someone and requesting that they respect someone's correct name and pronouns. Forcing religion is intentionally making someone feel guilty for not believing in God or for not following the Bible if they do believe in a higher power (the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally). Requesting respect from others, the same respect that everyone deserves and requests everyday, is basic human decency. Let's all just respect everyone and stop trying to cause divisions that are both stupid and disrespectful. Everyone is valid for who they are and they love. 🖤💜
@alicebthegachaweirdo83782 жыл бұрын
That’s so true.
@TheMagicPinecone2 жыл бұрын
That really tells you how transphobes (or a least the one lady in the video) feel about it then. They don't want to show a certain kind of people basic human decency so badly that they compare it to forcing beliefs down their throat. It shows that they really believe that stuff like gender identity is a belief and ideology that they simply don't agree with.
@fantasticesther2 жыл бұрын
It’s kinda like asking my aunt out to brunch in the middle Ramadan. Like “no I can’t go out to lunch because it’s Ramadan” all I gotta do is “okay cool let me know when you can come to lunch” she’s not pushing her religion on me but simply asking me to respect the rules of her religion.
@no69112 жыл бұрын
@The werewolf of Tibet what does that have to do with religion?
@Birdkiller462 жыл бұрын
You don’t have to be okay with me being trans. But you do have to use my pronouns. That’s respect. I don’t care if you secretly don’t think trans people exist, as long as you don’t misgender me and deadname me. Trans people are supported by science. Respect my gender. I’ll also respect your religion. I don’t believe in god or anything. But I’m not going to tell you that your beliefs are fake. I really don’t care. If you say you’re praying for me, that’s fine. That’s a great sentiment. I’ll absolutely be fine with you going to Church or whatever. I respect your beliefs, I’m not making you an atheist. We aren’t making cis people trans. It’s not that hard. Respect my pronouns.
@jaaaaayyyyyy66 Жыл бұрын
I'm cisgender but my partner is trans and I love watching these videos because they teach me a lot about this stuff. Thank you Jamie ❤️❤️
@katherinehavegreen5152 жыл бұрын
"Last I saw we weren't taking people to court for not believing in jesus" Well, no, you were *setting them on fire* History classes anyone?
@ladyredl32102 жыл бұрын
My favorite is "no you were shoving ice picks in our eyes because we didn't believe in Jesus."
@leahmcnaughton51432 жыл бұрын
I hate when people say "real women have xx chromosomes, the ability to have children, etc." it's not only so transphobic but also demeaning to cis women who don't qualify their genetic and reproductive standards. on top of that there are so many biological challenges to their opinion of how gender is "BIOlogical" and "NATural". for example, Turner's syndrome, A genetic disorder in which AFAB people have a missing or broken x chromosome resulting in infertility and small stature. another example is hermaphrophrodites people with a genetic trait in which they can produce both gametes. and im sure there are more gender-tripping life lessons Gods created for those imbisils.
@arandomteto2 жыл бұрын
I agree, many transphobic keep saying that trans women shouldnt be allowed in women’s bathrooms because “they have too much testosterone“. im a woman with above average levels of testosterone and this statement basically says that cis women with higher levels of testosterone are men and that’s false.
@jennoscura23812 жыл бұрын
Because of intersex conditions TERFs have switched to talking about gametes.
@Lil__ichigo2 жыл бұрын
Someone with turners here! Totally agree
@slimetank3942 жыл бұрын
@@jennoscura2381 what is that?
@fourleafclover20642 жыл бұрын
@@slimetank394Intersex refers to Differences of Sexual Development where the genitals, chromosomes, hormones, or any secondary sequel characteristic does not align with typical binary ( male or female) characteristic. " intersex" is a more polite/ accurate word for "hermaphrodite" (which some consider a slur/insult.) Basically, someone that is intersex isn't male or female, or is a combination of either, to varying degrees. It happens about every 1 in 1000 or 2000 births
@sonctheheadgear73392 жыл бұрын
the sheer wrongness of transphobes will never cease to amaze me 😬
@linden51652 жыл бұрын
And how confident they are in their wrongness.
@MattPhonee2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention, they try to hide their insecurity behind religion or "grammar"
@DrTssha2 жыл бұрын
@@MattPhonee A thing that _inherently shifts_ over time, and is even a named phenomenon: lingual drift. So they can't even get linguistics right!
@picante282 жыл бұрын
*terrify me :[
@MattPhonee2 жыл бұрын
@Anel Suranchiyeva Hey! Thanks! I forget about that one sometimes...
@raywilliams2122 жыл бұрын
As an English teacher... no one gives a shit about grammar until they want to pretend they know what a pronoun is... Go on, ask a transphobe to list the pronouns. See how long it takes.
@sheilarough2362 жыл бұрын
I work in a hospital, and literally just did an online education on correct gender/ pronouns and sensitivity training. Comes down to “ ask the patient what name the patient prefers to be called and which pronouns to be used”.
@possumfriend23352 жыл бұрын
When do you ever directly refer to a person with pronouns?
@gaildahlas2 жыл бұрын
@@possumfriend2335 the words "you" and "yours" are pronouns, aren't they? A hospital environment also usually involves multiple people within earshot of the patient, so indirect referral is equally as important.
@YasugoLiehu2 жыл бұрын
2:01 Does she not realize that people have been persecuted, tried, and executed for not believing in certain religions? Does she also not understand that trans and queer people have been persecuted and killed for being who they are?
@DeathnoteBB2 жыл бұрын
But has Jesus ever sued them??? /s
@lindabelcher9742 жыл бұрын
No one tell her about the crusades
@FeralFelineFriend2 жыл бұрын
People have been sueing public schools for not teaching the bible, which is forcing religion on people when they make it a required class. There were public schools who used to force kids to pray, until atheist kids were like "we don't wanna do that". They forget that the world does not revolve around them.
@Ajehy2 жыл бұрын
I bet she’s one of those people who gets angry when people say “Happy Holidays”.
@lazyperfectionist39782 жыл бұрын
yeah, she royally pissed me off because of that ignorance of history, and yet people like her wonder why they get given nicknames like y'all qaeda and Christian ISIS when they cause harm to other people through their ignorance of history
@labellissimabritneyellis72302 жыл бұрын
SO UPDATE TIME: With much inspiration from the wonderful trans community, and from creators such as Jamie and Samantha Lux, I have officially come out to EVERYONE! Every single friend and family member now knows me as Britney. Thank you all for the love and support! Love you Jamie
@TheTossedOne2 жыл бұрын
Congrats, Britney!
@kazikek26742 жыл бұрын
Congrats on a whole bunch of new people now being able to recognize you as Britney, and good luck going forward.
@CandidCascade2 жыл бұрын
personally I hope you came out to at least one person by saying "it's Britney bitch"
@kazikek26742 жыл бұрын
@@CandidCascade Honestly... Yeah. Yes. Do eet.
@TreespeakerOfTheLand2 жыл бұрын
I hope it went well
@hannahphelps19012 жыл бұрын
The "genetics don't mess up" is wild to me, as someone with a genetic disorder. Like my genes built my connective tissue wrong, but couldn't have possibly screwed anything else around.
@yulia_plat2 жыл бұрын
This really happened to me. My university teacher called me Natalia, although my name is Julia. It was funny the first time, because only two girls from our group went to her class, and both were named Julia (there were 10 boys and 3 girls in the group.) I corrected her, then it happened again, I corrected again. At one point we had a class with several groups (50+ people) and she called me Natalia, then at first she was indignant that I did not react, and then she was indignant when I loudly repeated that my name was Julia. The next time I corrected her, she simply told me that she was not going to change, and I had better respond to Natalia, because she is not interested in the fact that IT IS NOT MY NAME. The funny thing is that 3 years before this situation, I started writing a book where the girl was not called by her name, and I was afraid that it was too unrealistic. The universe decided to show me how right I was
@existenz_12 жыл бұрын
They are talking about proper English but don't even know what a pronoun is.
@Siilikeiju2 жыл бұрын
I always wonder if they'd get really upset in a situation where they would for some reason have to learn my language (Finnish). The Finnish language doesn't have gendered pronouns and in your day-to-day friendly informal talk people usually refer to a third person as se (literally "it"). Would these people have an existential crisis over it? Would their entire world fall apart?
@vivientakacs55992 жыл бұрын
@@Siilikeiju Same in Hungarian. We don't have gender pronouns, only "ő" (lit. they/them), so you will only know who we are talking about when a name or words like woman/man are mentioned. In fact, MOST languages around the world don't have gendered pronouns either. I know that in Chinese for example, you refer to everyone as "tā" but you only know which gender it technically is if you see the words written down (她 for she; 他 for he/can also be used when the gender is not important and is the character used when there are multiple people). Then there are the languages that have a bunch of gender pronouns for different types of gender expressions. I might be wrong in this because I also only know it from hearing from a native American person, that they have multiple pronouns for let's say a stereotypically "feminine" woman is called something else than a "masculine" woman. But transphobes just want to spew their bs so it doesn't matter.
@whatsyourname95812 жыл бұрын
@@vivientakacs5599 to add to the Chinese one: They literally didn't have these three different symbols for he and she pronouns before westeners came in. Before that, they were the same symbols
@vivientakacs55992 жыл бұрын
@@whatsyourname9581 I did not know that lol. I'm just a beginner and even though the first year I was taught by a native Chinese speaking teacher (which is why I was confident in mentioning it because I know this much at least), but she didn't explain all the things. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that they added +1 way of writing the pronoun bc of westerners 🙃🙃 At the same time, I wish they didn't, because why would any language need to be changed just so some other people won't have to fuss about what to call you? Especially a language as old as Chinese? Most English speakers can't even tell that the names in Chinese are reversed.
@jelatinosa2 жыл бұрын
@@Siilikeiju that's the opposite of Spanish. The Spanish language is extremely gendered and there are almost no neutral words in spanish. Even objects and things are gendered.
@urmom22722 жыл бұрын
I love how Jammi is always so sweet even if people are being rude-
@Specters0rd2 жыл бұрын
Idk how he does it. XD
@urmom22722 жыл бұрын
@@Specters0rd idk either lol
@carmenmonoxide60822 жыл бұрын
Agreed. She's surprisingly pleasant.
@piggygamer97452 жыл бұрын
@@carmenmonoxide6082 he really is
@lunatheluma38042 жыл бұрын
@@carmenmonoxide6082 there is no way you did that on accident, if you are going to watch his videos you could at least use his correct pronouns
@SMikechannel2 жыл бұрын
I love how second woman goes and say "we do not take you to court for not serving Jesus" like the Inquisition wasn't a thing... Okay 👌
@Kajaks00n2 жыл бұрын
"gender is whats in your pants". My gender is lack of pockets
@theviewer68892 жыл бұрын
My gender is a second pair of pants.
@alyssayutzler15272 жыл бұрын
i always keep a piece of paper in my wallet that says "your mom" so if this ever comes up, i can pull out my wallet and show them whats in my pants lol
@Kajaks00n2 жыл бұрын
@@alyssayutzler1527 teach me your ways master
@hannahtaylor85632 жыл бұрын
I’ve always wondered if people that are discriminatory know that their being irrational, or do they truly believe their delusions
@skarloey12142 жыл бұрын
I Think It's A Bit of Both And I'm Not Sure Which Is More Sad.
@airplanes_aren.t_real2 жыл бұрын
Depends on the person, some don't really believe it but still say it because there is an incentive (usually money) others just say it because they believe it
@sweetsanddandy86392 жыл бұрын
Jesus girl believes in her delusions. Her transphobic ones and her religious ones.
@pneumaofthedreamrealm89772 жыл бұрын
A lot of times, yes they do believe them. I say this as someone who used to be one. It often happens because of the environment people are raised in and maintained by creating an echo chamber around themselves
@oats88542 жыл бұрын
@The werewolf of Tibet still stalking trans creators, i see. don't you have friends? or family? or a girlfriend? i suppose the obvious answer is no, otherwise you wouldn't be spending your time harrassing strangers on the internet.
@rmansfield62 жыл бұрын
"We aren't taking you to court for not serving Jesus" expect most anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage laws are literally that? And Jordan Peterson clearly hasn't taken any biology beyond kindergarden biology, chromosomes do not determine genitalia, hormones do and it is possible for an XY person to come out with female genitalia and indeed you have both male and female internal genitalia (wolffin and mullerian ducts) as a fetus (until the hormone thing). This is literally basic physiology and while I'd guess most people don't know it, anyone with any background in medicine or a related field does.
@alexisflory64962 жыл бұрын
Yes! I was just reading about some of that! The xy with female genitals is basically because of a gene that is mutated so that it doesn't respond to hormonal influences during prenatal sexual development (I can't remember the word but like when the organs go to the one determined by chromosomes). Biology is truly fascinating. Sorry, I guess I'm a bit excited about genetics and how they affect people.
@rmansfield62 жыл бұрын
@@alexisflory6496 Don't apologize lol, it's super important to know if you want to go into anything related to healthcare. And I am not 100% sure I understand what you mean by determined by chromosomes? If you mean the condition is called androgen insensitivity syndrome (complete on that case).
@alexisflory64962 жыл бұрын
@@rmansfield6 tis that yes!
@Professional_Machine_Fucker2 жыл бұрын
Ive had religion forced down my throat all the time. Im a trans atheist, and I can say asking someone to use the correct pronouns is not the same as forcing a religion onto someone... I had someone once before say that you either go to heaven or hell and god exists and whatever and all that. I was not having it that day.
@jacobc92212 жыл бұрын
The word "themself" proves that they/them can be singular.
@Adamant_Adam2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. As someone who actually passed highschool English, I get so angry at people using grammar as an excuse to be transphobic, when their grammar is that of a dropouts!
@seekingabsolution19072 жыл бұрын
I mean I don't disagree that gender is a silly thing, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a fact that it exists as a concept within society and we must all negotiate how we relate to it. No point in complaining about trans people, they just relate to the world differently.
@robokill3872 жыл бұрын
I know, it's kind of like claiming that because race as a concept is a nonsense social construct, that we can just ignore the existence of race. Doesn't work like that in reality.
@alexshemwell83202 жыл бұрын
She completely missed the possibility of gender being cultural. It's not just "stereotypes", it affects how you're expected to act, dress, behave, and purchase.
@robokill3872 жыл бұрын
@@alexshemwell8320 there's a real possibility that there is such a thing as an inate gender identity, the exact nature of gender is not fully understood, but there have been several studies of cis boys being raised as girls, and it was found that loads of them had gender dysphoria and self identified as boys despite being told they were girls their whole lives. As I said, we don't know for sure, but I feel some people disregard this possibility too easily.
@fourleafclover20642 жыл бұрын
@@robokill387 Do you know the name of this study or have a link to it? I'm curious to read it, and wonder how they could conduct that study ethically, it must be a case study
@nondescriptcat56202 жыл бұрын
@@robokill387 there's a biological basis for all behavior: it's brains. in humans, there aren't many structural differences between a man's brain and a woman's, but there are a few specific structures, and in trans people, those structures tend to correspond to the gender they identify as rather than their birth sex. we aren't sure how those structures may impact identity, but there seems to be a strong correlation. you can also see what seems to be gender or proto-gender phenomena in social non-human animals, and in some cases they too can demonstrate distinctness from birth sex. there's a group of lionesses with elevated androgen, who grew manes and began exhibiting male lion behaviors, marking territory and even mounting other lionesses, which seems to indicate that social aspects of gender identity can be independent of sex, even without the level of conceptual framework humans are capable of.
@TheMark19992 жыл бұрын
Based on that one woman who thinks gender can’t be proven, by her logic, emotions aren’t real, because we can’t physically know it’s there either. We know emotions exists because we can tell based on how people act. They can also just tell you what they’re feeling. Gender is related to how you feel. I’m sorry if I worded it weirdly, it’s just something that I wanted to say as an example of how bad her argument is.
@yejiluvrr2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@butterflypooo2 жыл бұрын
Maybe she doesn’t really believe in love and thinks that just “serotonin and dopamine tricking your brain”. 🙄
@John_Weiss2 жыл бұрын
You know what else can't be proven? G*d
@elisei.c.40792 жыл бұрын
If shes Christian (I’m assuming things about her here) she literally just proved, by that logic, that God is bs lol
@sarahstardust2 жыл бұрын
When I first came out to my dad as nonbinary, he said he didn't expect me to believe in something based on feelings (I'm generally more logic, science, and evidence based in my assertions). I had to explain it to him in this way too. He has depression and it's real even though it's easier to explain in terms of feelings than brain chemistry and he has no real physical evidence to show for it. There is evidence that nonbinary people exist and scientific theories about why they do, but as an individual it makes the most sense to talk about it in terms of how I feel.
@fictional-girl_052 жыл бұрын
Guy: *I* think pronouns are stupid Literally anyone who has ever taken an English class: You just used one.
@Castkett4ever2 жыл бұрын
after watching the "are trans women real women" guy, my cis woman ass just laughed and said "oh well, guess I'm not a woman anymore. They should have told me that before I had chemo" (/s) lol everything was so wrong, it really showed he believes in something he has no knowledge of. It happens so often and for so many topics, it's sad!
@OldPixielChannel2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the usage of they/them using as singular and plural dates back to Shakespeare.
@Arcanist_Gaming2 жыл бұрын
Possibly even further, actually. I think that's always been a thing in English.
@OldPixielChannel2 жыл бұрын
@@Arcanist_Gaming Still, people say they/them singular is wrong, yet Shakespeare used both singular and plural. So was Shakespeare using incorrect grammar then? Sometimes people can be so stupid.
@flarewolf2 жыл бұрын
@@OldPixielChannel I've actually heard people make the argument that he isn't speaking modern English so it doesn't count not realizing that this argument proves that language changes over time.
@OldPixielChannel2 жыл бұрын
@@flarewolf You know what I find funny? People that say it's not proper English use they/them as singular all the time.
@Arcanist_Gaming2 жыл бұрын
@@OldPixielChannel I don't believe he was, that's my point; English has always used they-them for singular entities of unknown gender (again, as far as I know.) Honestly, with how far the degradaton of English knoledge has progressed, random people _saying_ it's incorrect English carries no weight whatsoever.
@Beans-up6qi2 жыл бұрын
Ok, I just want to say this.. Chromosomes have literally NOTHING to do if you're biologically female or male. There are plenty of men who have the "female" chromosome and plenty of women who have the "male" chromosome.. That doesn't make either the opposite sex or gender. There are also surgeries to transition, so the whole "what's in your pants" isn't really proving anything either. As for the the whole "Oh! Women are child bearing, hell's waterfall, feminine human beings." is a total blow as well. Some women don't have kids. They're might be unable to or maybe just don't want them. Some women don't have periods. Hell, some women aren't even feminine. Does any of these things make a girl any less of a girl? No. Some just aren't able to, whether they're afab or not. Lastly, please use preferred pronouns. We aren't forcing anything on you. We aren't saying "Gay is the way." We are not forcing you to like the same sex nor are we asking you to transition. We are simply stating that we prefer to be called [insert pronoun]. How would you like it if you're a guy, who identifies as male, but we call you she/her? You wouldn't like that, you would get offended and stand against it. So why don't we have the right to do the same? "Ok Steven." "Oh, my name is Johny.." "But I want to call you Steven? Or you pushing your beliefs on me!? That's so rude!" No. Johny was not pushing his beliefs on Samantha. He was just saying that his name is Johny or he would rather be called Johny. Is that really so bad? If you actually stuck around and read this whole rant, thank you. If not, meh, whatever. I can't force you to. Oh! And if there's anything you want to add that I may have missed, or you want to correct me on something, go ahead and tell me. If you just don't understand because I either didn't give enough information or I didn't say it in a clear way, I'll try to re-word it a bit or correct myself. Thank you! Have a wonderful day/night!
@John_Weiss2 жыл бұрын
_The biologist who discovered the X- and Y-chromosomes_ said that *_they are not_** the "femininity" and "masculinity" chromosomes.* But that manipulative propagandist, Jordan Peterson, thinks he knows better than not only biologists, but the one who actually discovered the X- and Y-chromosomes.
@mitchystuff2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to add that he literally invalidated all women over 50 since they got their menopause and can't get preggo anymore
@DestructionGlitter2 жыл бұрын
Imagine a cis woman phoning a call center and being called "sir" because she has a low voice. Imagine this person going "it's 'ma'am!'" repeatedly and still being called "sir" because her voice sounds "masculine". Imagine the outrage. Now look back at a trans* person correcting someone with their pronouns. Yeah.
@cosplaymemories14872 жыл бұрын
@@mitchystuff actually, there have been women over 50, with menopause and without that have had children! I found that out recently! :D
@cosplaymemories14872 жыл бұрын
Don't forget about intersex individuals! :D
@noahgetnick51632 жыл бұрын
I am so impressed how you can respond so well to these people who baselessly attack you. Thank you so much for your words and kindness. It’s exactly what people need to hear
@victoriahoffman46262 жыл бұрын
I like how people keep forgetting that all the pronouns thing is basically the same as discussing someone's name. Like, if I ask you to call me "Vic" instead of "Richard" is that me forcing my name on you or me just asking you to be respectful? Pronouns are the same, call me this, not this. On the other hand, asking someone to believe a religion and change their lifestyle in order to fit that religion... seems a bit oppressive, yes. I'm catholic, and I still think wanting other people to believe in what you believe is not reasonable, but it is reasonable to ask politely to be referred to with the proper name/pronoun.
@jaspercat64072 жыл бұрын
Why can’t transphobes just acknowledge the fact that the most we affect them is them having to respect pronouns and preferred names and SOMETIMES protests block traffic?
@StudlyFudd132 жыл бұрын
And the protests only exist because of them....It's maddening.
@RosieGoldie852 жыл бұрын
Like, its just basic human kindness. That whole "i shouldnt have to give you anything, i dont need to do good things for you, how dare you expect me to be nice to you" mentality. Its literally just a WORD, well, 3 words actually. 3 whole entire words. Thats literally it. Thats all we ask. We arent asking them to do anything, we arent asking them to kiss the ground we walk on, we just want them to say some different words sometimes. Its easy, it costs nothing, the only reason they dont is becuase they just dont want to be good to us. They dont want to "give us" anything, they want to be selfish and only care about themselves.
@mattj53912 жыл бұрын
What about girls competing in sports where a male is in their category?
@RosieGoldie852 жыл бұрын
@@mattj5391 But a male isnt in their category. Trans women are women, not men
@jaspercat64072 жыл бұрын
@@mattj5391 stfu trans women are women. They my be male but that’s only until they get the surgery. Other than that anyone in women’s sports is a woman
@thepurpleshade4862 жыл бұрын
You’re like a cool older brother that exposes me to the evil of the world and says look at these stupid people that cannot hurt you because they’re so stupid and incompetent, thank you Jamie
@Didi-wo7vd2 жыл бұрын
@Silent this is literally a lovely comment on a video about debunking disrespectful ideology and you still felt the need to say that. it was uncalled for. if you can't accept who people are, stay silent. its literally your name :)
@fritzyfritzyfritzyfritzy2 жыл бұрын
currently projecting my wishes of having a big bro onto him damn :’)
@peachyevren57892 жыл бұрын
@Silent tell us you have noone who loves you in your life without telling us you have noone who loves you in your life:
@slimetank3942 жыл бұрын
@Silent cry me a river
@chasechase62592 жыл бұрын
@Silent *brother. Jamie is Jamie. You are you. There's no need to cry that you can't have a Jamie in your life. Everyone can have a Jamie but not everyone deserves one. You, seem to fall under the second category. There's no need to try and put someone down when you have a different mindset than others. Especially when someone is being respectful to you and educating people while having fun. I don't appreciate it and and sure others don't as well.
@mariajoseisaisgutierrez51272 жыл бұрын
2:51 Exactly! Let me put myself as an example. I have my legal name, and I don't like it, I never have, but changing it I expensive, and I'm financially dependent on my transphobic and homophobic parents, so I just rather people call me by a nickname. When people call me by my legal name, I just say, "Actually, I'd prefer it if you called me X", and if the person continued to call me by my legal name because they say "that's YOUR name, I'm not calling you anything else" that would definitely be considered rude. It's the same with pronouns. It literally costs people nothing to use the correct pronouns, whether that means binary pronouns, they/them, or any neopronouns. PS: I'm bisexual and genderfluid, by the way.
@isabellarobinson6082 Жыл бұрын
Jamie actually made a point that I wished was brought up more in discussions like these. People who don't have just XX or XY chromosomes are very common and I would know because my nephew was born with an extra X chromosome. Love how people are under the notion that the human body is nautraly either this or that when their are serval peices of evidence against it.
@sadfaery2 жыл бұрын
Every single law in the US restricting reproductive health, sex education, and anything to do with sexual orientation or gender identity is based on specific types of religious beliefs. They're literally using their religion to regulate other people's rights and lives. That is incredibly different from asking people to be respectful of someone's gender and pronouns. That is why we are so frustrated with people trying to force their religion on us. They're embedding it into actual law. And it's incredibly detrimental to society and to people's physical and mental health when they do that.
@John_Weiss2 жыл бұрын
…and they've been doing it since the 1990s. In 1992, they amended the Colorado state constitution to strip all gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals of any and all protection under the law. [They didn't know trans people existed yet.] I was living there at the time, and came out. It was overturned by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1996. But the current Supreme Court would uphold it 6 to 3. And we all know it.
@sadfaery2 жыл бұрын
@@John_Weiss Oh, I'd go even further. They did it all the way back in the 1950s during the Red Scare, when they added "under god" to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954 and changed our national motto from "e pluribus unum" (out of many one) to "in god we trust" in 1956. The beginnings of the organized push for Christian nationalism go all the way back to that time. Maybe earlier, but that's when it started to get a really powerful stronghold on our government in an organized, concerted way. And now it's ballooned into gargantuan proportions, with things like the National Prayer Breakfast and so much more working to normalize the role of religious ideology-based legislation and, indeed, Supreme Court stacking and ideologically-driven decision making. I'm terrified for the future of reproductive rights in the U.S. right now, and I'm in Florida, where we have a LOT of bad anti-LGBTQ+ and anti-reproductive rights bills making their way through our legislature right now and a Republican supermajority under Governor Ron DeSantis that all but guarantees their passage.
@deee39502 жыл бұрын
@@sadfaery , so your logic is that your religion and cult ideology needs to be forced into other people? And they have to practice what you are practice? If someone prays before they eat and I talk to someone else during the prayer… can they yell at me and demand that I pray too? No. No they cannot.
@sadfaery2 жыл бұрын
@@deee3950 No, that's not what I said. Not even a little bit. I said that legislators in local, state, and federal government throughout the US are ALREADY doing this crap every single time they pass laws that are restricting reproductive rights or LGBTQ+ rights or things like that. And it's extremely harmful to everyone when they do that. All anti-abortion laws are religiously-motivated. All anti-LGBTQ+ laws are religiously-motivated. They're already forcing their religious beliefs into our laws and our lives, which I believe completely violates our constitutional rights because those laws, whether they admit it or not, are already religious in nature. And they need to be overturned.
@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Repugantans 100% want the U.S. to be a theocratic ethnostate.
@benburke30152 жыл бұрын
The lady in that second tiktok is definitely the kind of person that would say they aren't transphobic because they're not actively scared of trans people. Lol.
@Birdkiller462 жыл бұрын
My school pulled that one on me 😂. One of the executive directors was like “We aren’t scared of trans people, so the school can’t be transphobic.” Ah yes, separating everything by gender and then, as a trans guy, forcing me to take my meds, do deep clean, and do activities with girls and sit with girls in car rows and being in the girls dorm?? Nah, not transphobic. People fail to realize transphobia is so much more than just “being afraid of trans people.”
@Adamant_Adam2 жыл бұрын
@@Birdkiller46 but it is all based on fear, because they can't help but feel terrified of what we *might* do and all the bad things that "will happen" if we are allowed to simply exist. It actually terrifies them, and they think it works when they say it isn't about fear. They are afraid, because they think daddy god will spank them if they think trans is ok lmfao
@jennasmol2852 жыл бұрын
@@Adamant_Adam Funny how we, a small minority, maybe a percent of the global population have the ability to overthrow governments and destroy world economies. How tf do we use this power?
@phelllandborn64782 жыл бұрын
"Delusions" are apparently what we now call biology, psychology and neuroscience... But who can be bothered to check into science that's been published in the past 20 years before acting an ass online. Or in person. Or at literally any point in life. Asserting personally held ignorance is, after all, a far more important human right than human beings existing free of harassment and discrimination. Typical.
@atlas18672 жыл бұрын
I went from hardcore Catholic, transphobic, homophobic, perfect daughter for my family, to beings pan, non-binary agnostic individual.
@atlas18672 жыл бұрын
@Women's safety > Men's feelings and I never had a father, thanks
@sweetsanddandy86392 жыл бұрын
Refusing to use someone's correct pronouns because you don't "believe" in them would be akin to talking or laughing during someone saying a prayer before eating. I don't believe in that, but I'm not an asshole, so I stay respectfully quiet.
@justsomerandomname20672 жыл бұрын
Not really. Not laughing is passive, correct gendering is active. More like if they asked you to pray before you eat food too because they believe that eating without a prayer is a sin and they dont want people to sin in their house.
@kaylaa22042 жыл бұрын
@@justsomerandomname2067 correct gendering is passive though To force someone to pray is to ask them to show homage to a god they do not believe in nor wish to honor For someone to say "oh my name's bob" and you throw a scene about instead of just calling them bob" is a whole lot different. It doesn't really affect you, and has no personal connection to you Religion is part of your identity, so someone asking you to go against your religion is the same thing as asking someone to silenty go by whatever you want to call them, and expect to never correct you
@superfluousnscrupulous94582 жыл бұрын
7:50 Ma'am, have you heard about diseases that can be passed from parent to child or randomly mutate in DNA? Like HPV, cancer, schizophrenia, degenerative muscle and bone disorders, near sightedness, and the like? It's almost like DNA and the human body is flawed and not always a good marker for how things are meant to be
@TreespeakerOfTheLand2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. On an unrelated note: that woman is like the English version of my egg donor in her mannerisms and voice. Doubly awful for me...
@NyoomMonster Жыл бұрын
Not a good marker for what's functional
@thechaoticduck17162 жыл бұрын
Ever since my friend came out as trans, I have become the only male in my friend group. I NEED REINFORCEMENTS! Anyways, I’m out-numbered.
@hallway_revenant7919 Жыл бұрын
I hate pronouns so much because I have to physically stop myself from saying my name and instead say ‘I’. Lmao. Also nice pfp
@iluvsharks96662 жыл бұрын
I love that he points out when someone said the wrong “your or you’re” that’s what I do every time I love it
@user-gd8io7qo2h2 жыл бұрын
You really shouldn't do that. It's ableist and classist.
@MailMainbutnot2 жыл бұрын
@@user-gd8io7qo2h ????? i can't tell if this is trolling, sarcasm, ect. it's really hard to convey tone in text
@morgangreen87772 жыл бұрын
i needed something like this to laugh at bigots after my state passed a bill that they're calling "dont say gay" basically banning any mention of lgbtq in schools which effing sucks for kids. im not in school but god my heart right now is in pain for all my queer siblings going to school and having to deal with that bs. i always appreciate the making fun of transphobes
@chloepatterson74192 жыл бұрын
Let me guess... Texas?
@morgangreen87772 жыл бұрын
@@chloepatterson7419 lol no its the other bad state. florida. though i will not be shocked if texas gets inspired. the south is awful
@phoebebraterman52462 жыл бұрын
Hi Jamie. Just like to say, I started watching your videos as a "cis lesbian who's an ally to trans people" and have since realised I'm a genderfluid person (I also use the terms transmasc and non binary) and creators like you (but specifically you :) have really helped me to accept myself and realise how toxic transphobes really are.
@pi1722 жыл бұрын
Based
@phoebebraterman52462 жыл бұрын
btw my youtube name is my deadname so ignore that shit lmao
@pi1722 жыл бұрын
@@phoebebraterman5246 Based [insertyournamehere].^^
@artemis7542 жыл бұрын
damn! good for you!
@ZeldaRoseSongbook2 жыл бұрын
Well said, (insert chosen name). May euphoria find you all your days.
@former_emo_future_goth50712 жыл бұрын
I feel so lucky to not have to deal with people like that, my mom is so accepting and my sister always seems one step ahead on accepting my differences. When I came our a a lesbian she said "I know" when I told her I was questioning my gender she said "I know" Anyways just felt like sharing a wholesome family story down here. Thank you for creating such a wholesome community!
@thornwalker89702 жыл бұрын
"I don't believe in gender because it's a made-up argument that doesn't exist. However I believe in stereotypes and sex roles based on biological sex because these are obviously natural and not at all created by human psyche" She didn't rehearse her speech did she
@nondescriptcat56202 жыл бұрын
i don't think she *thinks,* she just says things and hopes they make some kind of sense.
@thornwalker89702 жыл бұрын
@@nondescriptcat5620 I'm pretty sure you're right actually
@starwarsenby162 жыл бұрын
Transphobes are fun to laugh at
@MattPhonee2 жыл бұрын
They very much are... Especially when you have an entire library worth of info to back your points up...
@superfluousnscrupulous94582 жыл бұрын
Remember everyone: gender identity isn't the same as sex, say it with me now, gender identity isn't the same as sex
@skarloey12142 жыл бұрын
Gender identity isn't the same as sex.
@artemis7542 жыл бұрын
gender identity is not the same as sex
@Professional_Machine_Fucker2 жыл бұрын
Gender identity isnt the same as sex!!
@Alexandra-if1co2 жыл бұрын
Gender identity isn't the same as sex
@fleefli26732 жыл бұрын
Gender identity isn't the same as sex
@nannywhumpers57022 жыл бұрын
I was so proud of myself the other day. A nonbinary person came on a late night show and my husband was all not into it. He was making fun of them, and I corrected him. I explained what I knew and I used the proper pronouns, and when I messed up, I corrected myself. When I was done, he was a little more curious and a little less judgmental. Thanks Jamie (and OT and TheClick..) for all the education!
@finnisqueer2 жыл бұрын
2:40 - I've weirdly had this happen to me before at work. Co-Worker asked my name, I told them, they said: "Huh. Well, I don't really like that name, so I'm going to call you _____". I just.. I.. What??
@butterflypooo2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how instead of saying “I believe in gender roles”, she goes out of her way to say, “I believe in sex roles” (which sounds even more ridiculous) in order to make her point that *gender isn’t real*. She believes in gender roles but refuses to call them that. 👀
@kazikek26742 жыл бұрын
I guess she opposes the cowgirl position because women can't be on top? IDK man, I'm genuinely confused.
@John_Weiss2 жыл бұрын
"Sex roles?" Like, "woman lies there on her back and thinks of England," or, "man always on top," sex roles?
@chapachuu2 жыл бұрын
This one was just confusing. I don’t know what she was trying to say.
@dtown_demon2 жыл бұрын
And feminism is literally against gender roles
@possumfriend23352 жыл бұрын
It's weird but I've seen several videos where parents of young children who say they're trans knew they were trans for reasons such as they liked a color associated with the opposite gender in modern times, like a boy who liked pink, or frilly things, or the child liked wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender. So how are these examples not using gender stereotypes to justify that a child must be the opposite sex and should be set on a path of medicalization?
@ReidTheNintendoPainter2 жыл бұрын
Here's your daily reminder on what pronouns are: He, him, his, she, her, hers, you, your, yours, I, my, me, our, ours, they, them, their, theirs, we, mine. Thanks for your time!
@EternalYorkieMom2 жыл бұрын
My priest starts every service by saying no matter who you are what you believe and whoever you love (he’s gay so he puts some emphasis on that) you’re welcome in our church. Which is why I love my church so much
@xd._.282342 жыл бұрын
so cute omg
@Idk-de7nc Жыл бұрын
Where is this church?
@notwerkinginthishouse86342 жыл бұрын
Having babies doesnt make you a woman. A woman can be anything she wants. I dont want to have kids. Does that mean i am not a woman? So if someone cant have kids ,that means they are not a woman? Or that their parts dont work bc of mental health issues and genetics oe tragedy and trauma?? Does that mean man is not a man because he is handicapped?? And that woman should remind that she has rights thanks to trans/ women Also,using d3lusions to offend others as if some people dont suffer from body dysmorphia and psychotic disorder
@xd._.282342 жыл бұрын
my mom, who is fertile, straight and with enough money to raise a family, but refused to marry, have babies of her own and adopted instead : guess i'm a dad now
@notwerkinginthishouse8634 Жыл бұрын
@@xd._.28234 Are you doing alright?
@xd._.28234 Жыл бұрын
@@notwerkinginthishouse8634 ofc I'm excellent, she's an amazing mom💙💙💙 She considered adoption (me) despite having all the cards to not do it. Which makes her empathetic a lot with abandoned babies :D She wanted to adopt more kids,even 3, but she couldn't bc being single
@throstlewanion2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: chromosomes are neither necessary nor sufficient at defining “biological sex”. For anyone who’s curious I’d recommend watching Forrest Valkai’s video “Sex and Sensibility”, he really goes in depth on the science behind chromosomes and how messy sexual biology is
@luna_eclipse79532 жыл бұрын
I just watched that video. It was amazing. Thank you sm for recommending it.
@supremeplatypus71922 жыл бұрын
YES thank you for recommending that video and that beautiful beautiful biologist, he deserves more attention
@dabi-is-online232 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Females can be born with an extra y in thier chromosome~ same with males, who can be born an extra x or y
@throstlewanion2 жыл бұрын
@@dabi-is-online23 not only that! But people can be born with XX or XY chromosomes and end up with totally different genitalia, because the process by which our body determines wether it should grow a penis or a vagina is very complicated and errors in our DNA are not uncommon
@mattj53912 жыл бұрын
It's not transphobic to disagree with "transwomen are women". Not if you're using the definition of "woman" that appears in the dictionary. Transwomen are not female. Being female is a necessary component of being a woman. It's right there in the definition. Unless you think reading and understanding the dictionary is transphobic?
@PidgeyHowler2 жыл бұрын
Apparently she's such a stickler for proper grammar that she missed the part where they is a commonly used term to refer to a person of either ambiguous or unidentified gender. As someone who is actually quite fussed about proper grammar - despite sucking at it - the grammar argument irritates me.
@FeralFelineFriend2 жыл бұрын
It's probably because she was taught it improperly. I remember in high school being told that they is used for multiple people and if we could not identify the person's gender we had to use he or she in essays, which got you flunked anyway because it made the sentence too wordy or some dumb garbage like that. Clearly, American education doesn't check the frickin' dictionary or even know what they are talking about.
@Ajehy2 жыл бұрын
“There’s someone at the door.” “What do they want?” Boom. They as a singular.
@incrediblefrown12882 жыл бұрын
even setting aside that singular they occurs as far back as the works of shakespeare, technically there is no such thing as objectively correct english; there's no governing body presiding over the english language in the way something like german has the council for german orthography, there's no master document of english to refer to. even things like the oxford dictionary are *de*scriptive, not *pre*scriptive; they change to match the uses observed amongst speakers
@KougajiCalling2 жыл бұрын
I use They/Them or Their name into I know for sure... It's not freaking hard...
@mickaliajackson87962 жыл бұрын
"Made up by persons in university"... so educated persons who took time out to learn more about the subject matter
@skarloey12142 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@user-es9fe3el2x2 жыл бұрын
her: “that’s not proper english!!!” also her: “y’all” “i’m like… like…. like….”
@karelfinn23432 жыл бұрын
"Why was he avoiding the question in the beginning?" Because pretending not to understand why they're wrong is the foundation of their whole grift. If they don't understand the subject, then they can "just ask questions" and then claim that no one is able to answer those questions, because they're purposefully ignoring all of the people who do answer them. So when someone asks them to explain their position directly, they have to first pretend that the question doesn't make sense, or their position completely falls apart.
@justsomerandomname20672 жыл бұрын
I think he was pretending because he is Jordan peterson. I was waiting for him to say "depends on what you mean by a woman and what you mean by believe and what you mean by trans and what you mean by real"
@gelatinouscube23422 жыл бұрын
Was half-expecting him to do another bit about crustaceans
@alexshemwell83202 жыл бұрын
JP likes to start off pretending he's reasonable so that when he later spews his conservative rhetoric you feel you're being reasonable if you agree with him.
@mattj53912 жыл бұрын
It's not transphobic to disagree with "transwomen are women". Not if you're using the definition of "woman" that appears in the dictionary. Transwomen are not female. Being female is a necessary component of being a woman. It's right there in the definition. Unless you think reading and understanding the dictionary is transphobic?
@gelatinouscube23422 жыл бұрын
@@mattj5391 Sure Matt. Nice bait.
@airplanes_aren.t_real2 жыл бұрын
1:36 I feel really bad for the hypothetical sibling in this scenario
@VexRavenhardt2 жыл бұрын
Gender identity isn't a choice. Practicing religion is a choice. Change my mind.
@dumbledoresaidcalmly14992 жыл бұрын
They/them isn't wrong grammar lmaoo, I learnt how to use them before I knew about the lgbtq, like, in 3rd grade.
@kobayashi11942 жыл бұрын
The way that first woman seems like the person to make up scenarios in her head and get mad at them and then turn around and act like that’s how things actually happen. Then she acts like (some) Christians don’t do that exact thing if we don’t believe in sky daddy.
@eropandasennin132 жыл бұрын
Huh, religious fundementalists being hypocrites. Who knew?
@yejiluvrr2 жыл бұрын
Sky daddy
@alicebthegachaweirdo83782 жыл бұрын
Sky daddy lol
@jolly_392 жыл бұрын
That behavior is super common among conservative Christians. They believe themselves to be constantly prosecuted and victimized (nobody except other conservative Christians prosecuted western conservative Christians in a very long time) and get offended when other people don't play along and put their self-perceived victimhood on a golden podestal. The entire belief systems of these kind of Christians centers around painting themselves as victimes that should be celebrated for "surviving" a prosecution they invented in their own head and guilt tripping people with this aggressive attitude to agree with them. When they ask for respect they demand special treatment.
@kaylaa22042 жыл бұрын
@@jolly_39 The word choice sounds alot like what they would say about trans people I'd say the problem is they talk like they're the default, and everyone has to respect their religion if you say "I don't believe in god" people lose their shit Heaven forbid if you believe in a different god Throw emotional manipulation on top of that by telling children they'll burn in hell for eternity for not doing that, and you essentially have the very issue they accuse trans people of having
@airplanes_aren.t_real2 жыл бұрын
I hate that some of these clips actually start with a mildly interesting take like "What is a woman to you?" Or "*explaining what gender is*" but then they go completely transphobic
@mattj53912 жыл бұрын
It's important to use the definitions from the dictionary. Like "male" and "female".
@airplanes_aren.t_real2 жыл бұрын
@@mattj5391 why?
@mattj53912 жыл бұрын
@@airplanes_aren.t_real because words have meanings.
@airplanes_aren.t_real2 жыл бұрын
@@mattj5391 ok but what does that have to do with my comment?
@mattj53912 жыл бұрын
@@airplanes_aren.t_real it’s important to define what a woman is. you seem to suggest that not accepting “transmen are men” is somehow transphobic when it is simply reading the dictionary meanings.
@kt32552 жыл бұрын
Been a while since my genetics class, but the sex chromosome possibilities I remember: XX - phenotype female XY - phenotype male X0 - phenotype female, Turner’s Syndrome resulting Y0 - embryonic lethal XXX - phenotype female, can’t remember what this is called, but I believe there are medical issues as there is with all trisomies XXY - phenotype male, but again with consequences of an extra chromosome For those that don’t know, phenotype is basically what traits are seen, like the colour of your hair - thought that is determined somewhere along the other 22 chromosome pairs that code for a person. Meanwhile on the gender phenotype end of things, yes there is what we call male and female, but there is hermaphrodites (presence of male and female genitalia) and ambiguous genitalia. Bottom line: biology is a very complicated thing, it often goes off what we might consider script. And for all it has been almost 20 years, I am still upset at my profs for not showing up for what was supposed to be the lecture on monozygotic twins and homosexual flies, because fascinating. I feel I have gone off topic, but anyway, point was even the ‘simple’ gender markers, as Jamie pointed out, aren’t so simple, and then there all the other factors involved…
@kt32552 жыл бұрын
I have learned since leaving this comment that hermaphrodite is no longer an acceptable term and the proper term is now intersex. Apologies for any offence I may have accidentally caused.
@zigmenthotep2 жыл бұрын
"You need to love and accept our delusions, okay?" they said in the midst of their elaborate oppression fantasy.
@ShuttleFlyVideos2 жыл бұрын
"Look into your pants. If you see a chicken, you're a boy. If you see a cat, you're a girl." Candace Flynn: I guess my gender is squirrel then.
@justKorppi2 жыл бұрын
S.I.M.P. Now, I'll be singing that for weeks...
@yourneighborhoodana45842 жыл бұрын
Jamie has helped me figure myself out! I started watching him about the same time I realized I was bisexual, so thank you for helping me so much!!
@lil73962 жыл бұрын
The same thing happened to me!!! I started questioning my sexuality while watching one of his videos and he had helped me so much!
@lavender36092 жыл бұрын
I just remembered that when I was in elementary school, when I still thought I was cis and straight, my lesbian best friend told me that sex and gender were two separate things, and I kind of just acknowledged that. I didn't question anything, and I didn't have any reason to dive deeper into it, so I didn't. That knowledge just stuck with me and arose yet again when I figured out that I'm trans. I just find that really cool.
@firefoxpotato35592 жыл бұрын
9:33 that's not nonbinary that's gender-Fluid
@justaries.2 жыл бұрын
As a genderfluid person, u genuinely cracked me up LMFAOOOO
@sillijk10 ай бұрын
Lmaooooo
@doramatejcic53532 жыл бұрын
This is so funny and frustrating in the same time
@toptomato2 жыл бұрын
Frustratingly funny?
@milkncookiesmoon2 жыл бұрын
*at
@the-entity2 жыл бұрын
@Chiefdrago17 they're like: "im nonbinary so im a bottle" and you're just laughing because it's just so fucking stupid, then you see like 40.000 people think thats deep or some shit😭💀
@toptomato2 жыл бұрын
@Chiefdrago17 frrr
@mattj53912 жыл бұрын
It's not transphobic to disagree with "transwomen are women". Not if you're using the definition of "woman" that appears in the dictionary. Transwomen are not female. Being female is a necessary component of being a woman. It's right there in the definition. Unless you think reading and understanding the dictionary is transphobic?
@chaoscat14462 жыл бұрын
yes sometimes bodies dont develop the way theyre supposed to. thats how genetic mutations come to be, the process isnt always perfect and things do go wrong. dont hate on someone just cuz their body didnt develop right :)
@caseycronan92172 жыл бұрын
It’s not that hard to be respectful and say, “Are they your sibling,” when told they go by they/them pronouns. 🤷🏻♀️
@lordlemonhead27322 жыл бұрын
I cannot. Jamie ist just such a sweet soul. Just his existence makes me so happy. What a sweetheart. No matter how stupid the topic, he just brings joy into everything.
@lemonace66952 жыл бұрын
Another thing is that the idea of gender we have now days is not unique: a lot of ancient cultures, oriental cultures and certain indegenous cultures had a different idea of gender that included more than 2 indentities.
@kazikek26742 жыл бұрын
Curiously, a lot of these extra gender identities were very ideologically close to 'binary trans man' and 'binary trans woman', and a fair bit of stuff to cover intersex, androgynous, nonbinary, or similar-concept individuals as either 'gender 5' or 'genders 5&6'. So basically, 4-6 culturally approved gender identities is not uncommon at all.
@John_Weiss2 жыл бұрын
@@kazikek2674 In North America, the nature of the 3rd-gender varied from culture to culture, from nation to nation. In some cultures, they were always amab and were required to wear "women's clothes." In others, they were required to _always_ wear at least one article of "men's clothes" _and_ one article of "women's clothes". In some culture, they were expected to _only_ marry men. In others, they could marry both men and women. [However, universally, 3rd-gender people _could never_ marry each other.] And those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head. (I read about this stuff back in the 1990s.)
@kazikek26742 жыл бұрын
@@John_Weiss I find it interesting that 'non-specifically masculine or feminine' people often had some religious role, like Two-Spirited in Native American concepts or Bissu in Bugis society.
@John_Weiss2 жыл бұрын
@Kazik Ek "Two-Spirit", BTW, is a term invented in the 1990s by LGBT Native Americans to reclaim those older roles. However, in the 3 decades since then, the younger generations are going back to their own Nation's words for their Nation's particular form of 3rd-gender. The term, "Two-Spirit," they say, is generic, invented, and therefore not very appropriate, they feel. OTOH, the term, "Two-Spirit," has become a term used in academia. Prior to the 1990s, academic research into North-American 3rd- and 4th-genders … when it was done _at all_ … used a term that was basically a 17th-Centuy version of the f-slur. There's a book that I have, "The Spirit and the Flesh," from around 1990(ish) that makes an effort to say, "We're using this insulting word because (a) it's what the kinda-homophobic earlier research uses; and (b) there's no alternative term. So we're stuck with it, even though we _really don't_ like it." If that same book were rewritten in a new edition today, I would totally expect "two-spirit" to be used instead. Wow. This response got long. 😄
@friend_trilobot2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your videos - I've seen a lot of people react to transphobia and they basically call the people bigots and assert maxims that are true, but you do a better job explaining why they are wrong while still reacting with legitimate disgust and confusion
@hurricane78002 жыл бұрын
“They/them isn’t proper English” …. 🙄 Heres the rebuttal I use that a CHILD could understand: I remember back in preschool they would pick a new kid each day to be line-leader, and the teacher would describe the person and you had to sit down if you didn’t meet the description. Eg, “this person is wearing a red shirt. THEY are wearing shoes with laces. THEY wear glasses.” And so on. And guess what, only one person was line-leader, **because it’s grammatically correct to use they/them as the pronouns to refer a SINGLE person without specifying gender** 🙃
@isilee20552 жыл бұрын
I have the webster dictionary definition of 'they' copied in my clipboard so I can use it against mean people. Lol
@hurricane78002 жыл бұрын
@@isilee2055 Ah, that's clever! It's also in the OED and the Cambridge Dictionary in case they try "WhAt AbOuT 'oRiGiNaL' eNgLiSh"...
@isilee20552 жыл бұрын
@@hurricane7800 Exactly!!! I came up with the idea of using it since my bio. father loves his 1980-something webster dictionary -THAT IS- -LITTERALLY MORE THAN 22YEARS OLD NOW- whenever he wants to act like a lil bish. So I thought people who don't like using they/them in a singular use would be the same 🙂
@scp-096982 жыл бұрын
they're almost at 1 million followers, I like couldn't help but tear up at their story, especially hearing Shaaba's upbringing. You guys are awesome, I love your content.
@whoahanant2 жыл бұрын
"I'm a stickler for proper English" Sorry to burst your bubble but English is a broken language anyways lol. All the "rules" have been broken a million times over and a multitude of words don't even originate from English. A lot of words are derived from other languages or follow other languages rules. English is a beautiful mess so anyone can do whatever they want with it. Besides they/them are singular and plural according to the "rules" anyways. Even written in old documents. An edit for some extra facts: I believe about 80% of English is derived from other languages. :]
@adrianblake88762 жыл бұрын
Actually, 100% of English is derived from other languages, because the English language itself is derived from another language (old German, I think)
@onlookerofthings60292 жыл бұрын
English speakers have been using singular they/them for centuries. Shakespeare used singular theys. Plus languages are made up and designed to communicate. New words and phrases are made to get a point across that couldn't be made before. Words have new meanings, like cool used to just mean cold.
@dwagon67062 жыл бұрын
English is the unwanted child from mister I have 16 articles (German) and mister I don’t know how to comprehensively use letters (French)
@dwagon67062 жыл бұрын
@Fucking grass thanks Kind stranger
@lorifiedler132 жыл бұрын
I've heard English waylayings other languages and picks their pockets.
@ConstanzaRigazio2 жыл бұрын
7:40 I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that 'gender' can be both real AND a social construct. 'Time' and 'money' are social constructs and they are still very real and affect our everyday lives.
@somethingsomething15712 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness I'm not male or female, they must be so uncomfortable with the cats and chickens stuck in their pants.
@TheRaineWitch-old-channel2 жыл бұрын
LMAOOO
@ravenclawfairy36482 жыл бұрын
Jamie, I look to you and Shaaba as my older siblings who educate me on these important issues. Thank you for that and thank you both for being here and being so amazing ❤️
@duckk45152 жыл бұрын
reminder that transphobic people will apologise for misgendering a pet but dont apologise and CONTINUE to misgender trans/nb people
@Specters0rd2 жыл бұрын
Reminder to those who bind to take it off when it's the right time so you don't hurt yourself! Idk about tucking, but if there's the need to take a break then please do so accordingly! Also eat and hydrate please!
@LilQuade2 жыл бұрын
It just makes me so sad to see that people are so hateful of trans people. I'm a trans guy, I use he/him pronouns. But for some reason, people (who my transition has zero effect on them) just want to be hateful. I really hope people become more accepting someday, or at least be respectful.
@lukeblue77002 жыл бұрын
I will never have a serious argument with someone that uses the wrong "your"
@user-gd8io7qo2h2 жыл бұрын
That's ableist and classist.
@friend_trilobot2 жыл бұрын
Folk want to pretend they only mean "had this or that anatomy at birth" when they say "man" or "woman" but fail to realize there's a Galaxy of other ideas that those same people automatically connect to those words and actively apply to people around them on that basis. when they then turn around and insist that, bc you are a man or woman, you must do or say specific things and engage in specific activities, wease certain clothes, do your hair certain ways - all things that are not determined by their flawed ideas about biology but are instead learned behaviors during by culture. Society adds so much non-biologically-determined crap to the concept of biological sex and categorizes that crap on the basis of only the crudest understanding of how sexual dimorphosm actually works in our species and then proceed to act like they re just complaining about using a "scientific" term inaccurately whenever folk push back against it. And they refuse to say that sex and gender are distinct when trans identities necessitate a distinction, bc deep down they know that most of what it means to be a man or a woman in their eyes is simultaneously foundational to their identity and reality, but something they also know wil only persist of its actively maintained - they're like: its "natural" for girls or boys to be this or that, but ae also have to actively modify and adjust our natural form and personalities to suit this vague idea - you ain't talking about biology, you're talking about social constructs
@alexshemwell83202 жыл бұрын
Also in English people are constantly forcing a gender on you by saying "he" or "she". That's not a biological necessity it's the way our language and culture evolved. Some languages don't have pronouns at all.
@friend_trilobot2 жыл бұрын
@@alexshemwell8320 I could be wrong, but I think not having pronouns, or things that function like pronouns, is pretty rare, but most languages (going by the 6000 distinct languages that have been recorded and not the 50-100 that are extremely widespread, many of which are european) don't actually gender their pronouns - [edits: typos] if not "most" than "many," probably at least half - though obviously some use gender everywhere - but English actually nly has 2 pronouns that actually have gender: he and she, the rest (they/them, you/you, we/us, it/it, and I/me) lack gender - but in some languages they don't, and in those languages you'd have to choose the right gendered pronoun when using plurals or taking about yourself - but this variety in how gender works shows that it is just cultural, and varies by language/language family, it doesn't have to be determined by any concept of biology at all
@alexshemwell83202 жыл бұрын
@@friend_trilobot My Japanese teacher says Japanese doesnt have pronouns but I think some people disagree. Non-gendered pronouns may be a better example.
@friend_trilobot2 жыл бұрын
@@alexshemwell8320 @Alex Shemwell yeah, i have zero expertise in Japanese, so [edit: typo] i can't comment! But i'd bet there's something that acts like a pronoun but isn't and that's why it's debated, but I honestly don't know. I do have a degree in linguistics, but my focus was English, and I know for a fact that whether English has a future tense is also debated bc it depends on how you define "tense"
@possumfriend23352 жыл бұрын
Then why are children that don't behave in gender conforming ways deemed trans and set on a path to chemical intervention and future surgery? If you watch any number of trans children documentaries online that's the unifying theme: my son always loved the color pink and wore his sister's tutu, therefore he needs puberty blockers. Why not just let the child dress and like the colors they like?
@ElfsArt242 жыл бұрын
How I've explained this to my brother who genuinely doesn't get being trans because its not something he's expirenced. "You are disabled imagine if they amputated your legs when they stopped working and you said you wanted prosthetics and someone said you can't have legs you were born without legs so your arnt allowed to be a leg person. Wouldn't that make you upset?" And he got it he's got the mind set of a 15 year old in a 21 year old's body he gets confused easily and he still understood it
@helloooo66532 жыл бұрын
one time someone in my class walked in and the teacher asked in front of everyone “are you (deadname)?” because it hadn’t been changed on the register and they had quietly to explain to the teacher that that was their deadname. the teacher was super understanding but i feel really sorry for them because that really sucks
@SuperAH19852 жыл бұрын
So true about it not being easy. "Holding hands" for my child going through it has been tough. Needles are not fun. Blood labs are not fun. Having multiple doctors isn't fun. Going to the bathroom is anxiety inducing. Worrying about friends and future partners accepting you isn't fun. And so on and so on... So remember, transphobes, no one would choose this so stop making it seem like it's just a joke or choice.