Ratchet's death has to be one of the saddest deaths in the bayverse movies, he was murdered brutally despite pleading for the humans to stop attacking him.

The most realistic part of this entire franchise is that the US Government has no idea what the CIA is actually doing

2 things: 1. Sentinel Prime, an AUTOBOT, launched an attack that killed thousands in Chicago. As far as the mass public knew, both sides can be violent and unpredictable. 2. Dino literally threw Hatchet's body onto oncoming traffic, killing whoever was in that car. So you have incidents of Autobots killing humans in these movies. Is it that hard to believe that there are ppl who hate both Autobots and Decepticons? Alot of ppl just wanted them all gone off the planet and on some other planet.

So Sentinel's betrayal was the whole reason Cemitary Wind is killing all cybertronians regardless of faction

The events that happened before AOE is such a dark and intriguing time period that is so interesting to theorize on to this day. We might not know much about it, but the fact we're still putting the pieces together ourselves is such an enjoyable thing to do

It was really stupid of Savoy to ask Ratchet why he was running when they were shooting at him

I honestly would love a Bayverse movie that would explain what happened between DOTM and AOE.

This was an Incredible Video for How and Why The Transformers Were Hunted by Humans. Because I was so Angry why The Autobot’s were being hunted down is because if it weren’t for The Autobot’s The Human Race would have been Enslaved and been Race from Existence. I want to thank you Theorymus for your dedication to This Live Action Transformers Cinematic Universe.

Hey @Theorymus, I remember you saying that the war on Cybertron lasted for millions of years. I think it'd be cool if you did a video explaining how long the war on Cybertron lasted specifically for the Bayverse. My best theory is that in ROTF Jetfire states that the Fallen was the first Decepticon and wanted to use the Star Harvester but the 6 other Primes would soon discover that Earth was populated with life. And we know that they don't allow the Star Harvester to be used on planets with life based on what Jetfire stated in ROTF. I think the first 7 Primes arrived somewhere around 17000 BC based on the first scene in ROTF. And the war on Cybertron would've had to have ended somewhere around 1969 based on the fact that the Ark crash landed on the moon causing the Apollo 11 mission, in 1969. In DOTM Optimus and Sentinel visit Africa and there Optimus states "I wounder what could've been, had you fought the final battle... instead of me" leading me to conclude (based on a calculator) that the war on Cybertron for the Bayverse would've had to have lasted for at least 18,968 years. While Cybertronian lifespans work differently compared to that of a human, I think it would still be enough for Bayverse Prime to grow impatient, thus for violent because he's tired of living in a war. Which is completely understandable. Thats just a theory which more than likely isn't accurate but it was something that's been on my mind lately. I'd love to see what you think!

imagine if Sideswipe's VA just casually mentions that Sideswipe is alive in TLK

If Cemetery Wind used to work with the Autobots, I wonder if Hooch and Marc L initially joined Cemetery Wind under the assumption they'd be fighting Decepticons, since NEST was disbanded, and they probably didn't want to go back to their previous lives of retirement. Since they fought alongside the Autobots for so long, I feel like they'd recognize the value of the Autobots in protecting Earth from the Decepticons. I don't think it really makes sense for them to have a sudden change of heart and turn against the Autobots after everything they'd been through, especially when they were willing to risk their lives going into Chicago with Sam and Epps, where the only reason they survived is because of the Autobots. Their past experience fighting Decepticons also probably would've made them suitable for higher positions within Cemetery Wind.

Theorymus if you look at Bumblebee's expression as Drift mentions only four autobots made it he shows shame by lowering his head due to sadness in failing to save all his Autobot friends

My conclusion is that Attinger must have felt that the United States President was still going to side with/let the Autobots live after Chicago's destruction. So he took matters into his own hands by backstabbing the Government into just murdering Autobots & Decepticons, Since the Government was still going allow the Autobots to live when He felt like they should just be killed right off the spot. But that's just my interpretation...

Theory confirmed: chromia was killed by lockdown offscreen and KSI Red sentry in last knight and jolt was killed by shockwave DOTM.

Absolute banger Theorymus, Transformers videos don't get much better than this, it was a true honour and privilege to be able to see your hard work pay off!

Cemetery Wind is the Order 66 for the Autobots

Harold Attinger has always been one of my favourite human characters in the Bayverse (the others are Seymour Simmons, Dutch, Dylan Gould, and Joshua Joyce) and I've always thought he was one of the Bayverse's most underrated characters, so it's nice to finally see a video about him and the history of Cemetery Wind. I've always considered Harold Attinger to be one of the most evil characters in the Bayverse alongside The Fallen (and technically Unicron, but we never got to see him do stuff so...), as well as one of the most evil humans in the entire Transformers franchise (if not the most evil). While you could argue that he believed he was helping humanity by eliminating all Transformers, the fact that he was at least partially motivated by getting that sweet retirement cash, and his cruelty and lack of empathy towards other humans (remember when he ordered James Savoy to shoot Tessa to make Cade reveal Optimus' location, or when he literally said "Innocent people die all the time") highlight how nefarious he truly is. Great video as always Theorymus.

FINALLY. Finally someone else who says that Optimus doesn’t say “Sam run!” I was SO tired of hearing that.

To think we could've had a Mexico City Comic explaining it had Amazon not ruined DOTM

This is why you're the ONLY transformer KZfaq channel I watch

Lockdown shot of Ratchet’s leg? This entire time I thought it was Cemetery Wind

Because the plot needed it that way

44:24 the idea of getting of getting a text message on your phone from an alien robot and not automatically thinking it's someone trying to prank you is so funny to me, great vid btw!

Great theory, but i feel like there are still many holes and gaps in the theory, but I also feel like some aspects hold up if viewed from a different perspective, like what if cemetery wind was created under a different name, and only changed so it would confuse the autobots, thus them being confused why they are getting shot at by the people they believed to be allies. Also if I remember correctly wasn’t lockdown already on a mission to get Optimus? Which would also add to why he was there on earth. But those are the only two “flaws” that I could see with the theory

I like the video The Fire Brothers made call “Bumblebees biggest failure” where it explains using deleted scenes where Leadfoot died and where the Autobots where at

For me, the Transformers series ended with " Dark of the Moon ". It was a perfect ending for the whole franchise. But it's good to watch your theories ^^

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So essentially Order 66 but in bay-verse where both groups used to work each other before the other group turn on the former?

50:19 Thank you, I've been saying That Optimus never said "Sam run" it's like fans are ignoring that face that Optimus is in genuine physical pain. I looked through scripts and even used Captions to see if he actually said it. I believe it's like the Green needle/brainstorm or Laurel/Yanny situation why people thought of it he said Sam run. Not only that but that grunting sound had been used before like the other recycled sounds.

This is good on a “eating while watching” level. Just what I need after highschool’s finals. Great theories!

"How did you find us!" "Energon detectors son!"

I am honestly surprised that in the bayvers the CIA had better luck hunting down all cybertronians then actual wanted people

The Bayverse is much more interesting thanks to you, making perfect sense out of a Cinematic Universe that many judge saying "It has consistency errors everywhere, too many flaws in the plot and bad story that isn't even interesting"... I still loved the Bayverse in 2023 because of nostalgia and CGI scenes, but its explored lore and origin stories are making it cooler and cooler because of your videos, Thanks Theorymus!

The autobot Decepticon war in the Bayverse can’t have been millions of years. When 19,000 years ago the fallen was still one of the primes before he got the nickname “the original Decepticon”

Yeah, I knew that taking the Autobots to Chicago was risky, but I knew that there was no other choice if I was to get them all there safely, but unfortunately I ordered the Autobots to split up, because then it was the only way to get as many Autobots as possible safely to Monument Valley, and I regret that my decision caused some of the Autobots to perish, and the reason I was in charge was because Optimus wanted me to because I was the only Autobot present there who was on Earth the longest so I knew my way around Earth. Also I understand Drift not respecting me in Age of Extinction, the reason I lashed out at him was because I already felt guilty about the Autobots that were killed, Drift was making me feel worse about it. As for Crosshairs, he was just doing that in The Last Knight to be a jerk because he thinks he's better than everyone, there was a reason he was never in charge, I put Drift in charge before leaving to go England.

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This theory is fairly decent in terms of being able to fill most of the plot holes. My only confusion is how bumblebee was able to find a 1967 Camaro to scan in Chicago

Very nicely done video! I can tell you put a lot of love and effort into it and it's paid off! My personal headcannon for why Topspin has Leadfoot's head in TLK (other than the IRL reason of his orignal one not being rigged to talk in the first place, so swapping them was faster), is that it literally IS his head... let me elaborate. I imagine that when the Autobots split up before AOE The Wreckers stayed in a somewhat close proximity to one another for safety. When Leadfoot was attacked Topspin was closest to him, but he was still a little while away, with Roadbuster being even further. While Topspin wasn't able to get to Leadfoot in time to save him, he was able to take out the crew of Cemetery Wind soldiers that had wounded Leadfoot, but not without getting dammaged himself, having a rocket blow up in his face. As he blindly crawled over to his dying brother, Leadfoot demanded that he take his face to restore his vision and get himself out of there before reinforcements arrived (going by the logic of how starscream was able to reattach his own arm after it was broken off twice in ROTF, and how Megatron got a new body in ROTF and arm in DOTM), so begrudgingly Topspin obliged after Leadfoot shortly died. He then left the area, soon meeting Roadbuster as the two fled to Cuba. That's my timeline of events at least, and similarly it's also how I imagine Barricade got his new face too.

I remember I thought the guy in the cia office was Peter Cullen 😂😂😂

Temu is under investigation by the U.S

You could also say that the reason sam isn’t seen and not dead is that when Optimus said stop all contact with humans bumblebee lost contact with same so he wouldn’t get hurt.

Bro is the matpat of transformers, and this is your fnaf theorys lol

One crazy theory I like about why Sam was not there in the last two movies is the radiation theory. He died because of the radiation lol

8 months late, but nice video. It’s really sad that the Autobots were given the blame for the damage of Chicago after the war was over. But of course the traitor, Sentinel Prime’s line “On Cybertron, we were gods. And here, they call us machines. Let the humans serve us or perish. You’re lucky I didn’t kill you. In time, you’ll see” during the Washington DC invasion scene in Dark Of The Moon predicted the future of the humans killing the Transformers in Age Of Extinction. Honestly, Ironhide and Ratchet’s deaths were probably two of the most saddest deaths in the Bay verse. But keep up the amazing work.

About the sam being with Optimus thing, when he transforms and has his gun he says: “Sam get behind the-“ and it cuts off, it’s when he’s standing up during the scene, I can’t remember the exact time stamp, I’ve tried to find it again but I think they’ve removed that scene on Netflix, I remember watching it a week ago an noticing that line and screenshotted it. The fire brothers made some good AOE videos, 1 being about Bumblebee’s big mistake and the nuclear plant meetup. And his other video was about the hunt for cybertronians arg thing, idk what to calm it but it was basically about this site leading up to the release of AOE and how autobots and decepticons were being seen around the world and being reported

39:20 I think that lockdown was brought to earth not only for the sake of prime, but also to "clean up the garbage", in the movie itself he is screaming that he is forever pinned I think that lockdown was brought to earth not only for the sake of prime, but also to "clean up the garbage", in the movie itself he is screaming that he always has to "Clean up after them," so I think that's one of the reasons why he came, and it ties in with the fact that, in theory, he's a messenger of the Quintesons, and one of his jobs is to clean up

Since Attinger has been with the CIA for 25 years and AOE takes place in 2018, that would mean Attinger began working for the CIA in 1993, the same year the original Jurassic Park film was released.

Theory:since Harold wants to destroy all autobots they did make alliance lock down I think he used the drones or viruses to get info to find the autobots mostly since radio is electronic it can be hack mostly

What I don’t understand is how Lockdown brutally injured Optimus even though Prime still contained the Matrix of Leadership in his chest. Not to mention why Lockdown never found out that Optimus Prime even had the Matrix within his chest in the first place. I’m very shocked that nobody realized why Prime was unkillable, the only Cybertronians I could thimk of that knew about the Matrix within Prime was the Autobots, Decepticons, & Sentinel Prime. Even if Prime did die in AOE, he could just regenerate the damage & his spark would basically be invincible. Without the Matrix, Prime wouldn’t have that ability to constantly heal himself despite all the mortal wounds he sustained after the events of ROTF. Also, why couldn’t Optimus just revive some of his fallen friends during the KSI ambush? I mean, the Matrix doesn’t just disappear forever after DOTM. It has the power of the primes & wields an energy like no other.

I honestly don’t understand the hate with this movie. It’s personally my favorite of the transformers movies. It has everything I want in a transformers movie! For one thing all of the autobots in this movie all have personality and don’t get wasted unlike the previous cast of Autobot characters, the action is on point, the main villain is super cool and has everything that I want in a Transformers movie villain. I hope this comment can change the way people view this movie.

I really enjoyed watching the video, I loved the explanations for what happened during a foggy time in the bay verse. And to mention the ten autobots there were mentioned in the film to be alive due to evidence you shared, but what about the twins and jolt could they be alive as well or should we take the comics as fact?

I like the fact he doesn’t know he promoted a app that’s known to have a form of spyware to take your credit card info

50:18 Honestly i heard "Can't.... Run" and it could have been grunts, but it could have been both but i prefer the "Can't run" because look at him, he's literally near death's doorstep, he could Barely crawl away abd deploy his weapon

love you theorymus , for all your efforts and hard work in keeping the transformers community alive

The same way Ness found The Cons I would think

Temu sounds like a Decepticon operation. Tempting but suspicious.

Even tho the bayverse is over and they are probably not make any more movies in the bayverse continuity it’s nice knowing the fact that sideswipe, Dino/ mirage, top spin and roadbuster are still alive and are somewhere in the world

And the fact the Government and the President of the United States didn’t bother investigating Cemetery Wind, their association with Lockdown, and their crimes is stupidly insane

Growing up seeing ratchet play a important medic type of role to the auto bots,seeing him get slaughtered is still depressing to this day

Congrats on the subscribers. You deserve every bit of it. You're probably the only person who could make AoE make any sense.

I would like to point out that when Attinger said “this is not their planet” that is false the transformers were on earth with the early humans. Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen hints at that. They were living simultaneously with humans before the 07 movie

One video i would like to see is a video dedicated to humanity's evolution of tactics in taking down cybertronians.

Finally its here 🥺. Also, I gotta give credit to some of the critics out there. Are the humans in AOE and TLK dumber than Patrick Star or something? Coz, they kill Autobots yet imprisoned Decepticons. I mean, imprisoned the Decepticons? Really?

Literally one of the best theories i've seen, definitely worth the hour watch. Road to 1 Mill

Ok Theorymus, Ive been with your channel for a long time now, and have loved all of your videos. And now with this video being absolutely amazing, I can confidently and 100% say… You are my #1 Favorite Creator on the internet ❤ You truly are the most UNDERRATED KZfaq channel to ever exist, and one who truly puts the right amount of effort into his content. Hope your someday you hit 1 million subs, heck you freaking DESERVE 1 million subscribers by now, hope you hit 100 MILLION someday in the near future, keep it up my Man 😎

to your point about the cards, remember the guy running the op could be considered transformist(racist) so he may of messed a few of the details up with names, and they are used to covering things up he probably had the cards printed before mexico city but when he had it planned. he didnt know for sure if prime would be taken out and didnt want it to be a loose end later just in case

A 1 hour transformers theory video? Count me in!

The irony of them wanting to hunt down all transformers Turns out earth itself is one

Another element I liked about the bayverse was the realism behind it and the mythology Ik this is about the Mexico City incident but still the events leading up to it are quite interesting

If it wasn't for semetary wind in Mexico lockdown would've probably died to optimus in a 1v1 especially how strong and armored dotm optimus was.

1 hour long? hell yea! Dope video 🐐

you know how great it would be if there was comics based on this theory, and also comics between aoe and tlk, and also comics about hystory

Very well done to you Theorymus, this was an absolute pleasure to watch. The best Bayverse youtuber!

I really like this explication of what happened between TFDOTM and TFAOE, how did you put the Maximal patch on your jacket?

Atleast it explains a lot that Optimus was the only autobot to go to Mexico City without the other autobots cause the kill cards

i still find it weird that decepticons were imprisoned but autobots were killed

Lockdown's sliver bullets are what injured Ratchet so if you think James Savoy's rocket stopped Ratchet that is not from James that is from Lockdown you can see in 28:05 those are the sliver bullet Lockdown fired

1 thing I think we can all agree on is just how stupidly ridiculous the Government works in these movies. I get that thats the point sort of but still worth mentioning

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28:05 wow I guess you learn something new every day

I’ve been waiting for this video for a long time, and of course it didn’t disappoint

If the “human calling cemetery wind and reporting ratchet” thing is real, I’d love to have a little chat with that human~

Also @theorymus what if Attenger meant that the 5 decepticons you didn't mention were actually Drift, Crosshairs, Optimus, Hound, and Bumblebee since he has the narrative that the autobots are cons towards the government

I kinda like the idea of humans hunting down transformers. I just wish we got to see more of Galvatron.

Nice video as always Theorymus.

I think that the Cemetery Wind cards saying the Autobots were last seen in Chicago is a mistake when making the props since Ironhide's card says the same thing but his death makes that impossible.

And so, the Autobots did a massive organisation espionage.

I never forgive IDW publishing and Amazon for spoiling the early script of the 3rd movie.

This was a really great video and congratulations on your milestone! However i do have one contention and it’s that just because there isn’t an ❌ on Sideswipe, Dino, and Roadbuster’s cards doesn’t necessarily mean they’re alive. Like you said, some of cards may’ve been rushed and that’s why the wrong picture and name was given to “Garagebot”, the wrong location was given to Ironhide, and no ❌ on Leadfoot’s card. Idk, as much as like those 3 (especially Sideswipe) I just think the stakes aren’t as high if they’ve only been able to kill 2 autobots (especially when only 1 of them was killed before the movie starts). It makes the remaining 5 in AoE feel more like the underdogs that are on their asses. I feel like Topspin surviving is the one exception to Drift saying they were the last ones.

On a scale of 1 to 10, who's better at theorizing? Theorymus or Matt Pat?

Wow a hour long video I can't wait to watch it all

10:18 am I the only one who thought that dude looked like Walt Disney

I always prefer the shows and comics to bayverse ,but your videos make me enjoy bayverse way more. Keep up the good work!!!

not entirely sure Theorymus did his research on the sponsor. they've been known to collect data and are pretty controversial in terms of quality. so I'm not gonna berate him, and i can understand some of the reasons he would sponsor them, but not the best idea to take this sponsor.

I know I'm late to this, but holy damn. Outstanding video as always and despite the run time you never feel it great due to the flow and pacing being really good. And congrats on your milestone man. Looking forward to what you make next.

Dude this is an amazing video and it felt very researched and professional aswell

the bayverse is so messed up that you were able to make a hole channel based on fixing it and your doing a really good job

You tackled everything in this video. Great job!

Absolutely, I totally get what you're saying! If we treated the Autobots as robots instead of aliens, it would be important to ensure that they have the right to exist and be respected. It would be really cool if they had their own rights and scientific advancements. And you're right, the Autobots wanting their home and keeping Earth safe is a big part of their story. It's fascinating to think about how their presence could impact our world. Yeah, you're absolutely right! In a democracy, decisions are made through voting and everyone's opinions are taken into account. So, if we were in a real-life situation with Transformers, it wouldn't be a simple democratic or republican situation. People would definitely have different opinions and it would be important to consider everyone's perspective. It's fascinating to think about how the presence of Transformers would impact our society and the decisions we would have to make together! Yeah, I see what you mean! In the movies, it seems like the public trusts the Transformers. But in real life, it might be different. People might have different opinions and not everyone would automatically trust them. It would be interesting if we could have a vote or something to decide whether we trust them or not. That would definitely change things up a bit! If the Autobots were real, we would treat them as robots, not aliens. They have their own identity as Autobots, and it's important to recognize and respect that. It's all about understanding and appreciating their unique characteristics. I understand what you're saying! It seems like you believe that the Democrats would trust the Autobots more than the Republicans. And you mentioned President Obama and President Joe Biden potentially having trust in the Autobots. In Transformers 5, it's important to not make deals with the Decepticons because they're the ones to watch out for. Not all Transformers are bad guys, but it's crucial to recognize that they are a diverse group with different motives. We need to ensure that their movement is not taken away. totally agree with you. In the movies, it's all about creating these different worlds and scenarios. It's fascinating to think about how President Joe Biden's trust might shift in a situation where there are citizens of Cybertron, just like we have Americans. And if the Decepticons were attacking, he might see the Autobots as having the right to defend themselves. It would definitely be a unique scenario with a Cybertron president and a government president. The possibilities in the movie that is my opinion

Ratchet did not deserve what happened to him in AOE