TREEBEARD Was Once Evil?!? 😲 | The Ents, Entwives & The Huorns!

TREEBEARD Was Once Evil?!? 😲 | The Ents, Entwives & The Huorns! | Lord of the Rings

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Today we look at the Ents, Entwives, and even the Huorns of Middle-earth!!
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00:00 - Ents, Entwives & Huorns!
00:28 - Introduction to the Shepherds of the Forest
01:36 - Inspiration and Background of the Ents
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10:12 - Evil Treebeard & the War of the Ring
13:19 - What are the Huorns?
16:25 - Wars of the Ents & their End
19:20 - Conclusion
20:30 - QotD
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@TheBrokenSword 7 ай бұрын

@Cauin450 7 ай бұрын

There is something that I would genuinely like to know. Sauron was aware of Aragon. They're chat through the Plantier confirmed it, 'long you have hunted me, long have I endured it!' It suggests that the Big Bad knew of the Big Good, but also where he was! I wonder why he didn't get Nine Nagul in right the face before Amon Sul? The rules of the Spirit Realm are reversed when compared to ours. Which is why the Nazgul looked bright, almost Ethereal. Yet when Aragorn attacks them, he is intensely dark and five Nazgul - each with a direct link to Sauron, himself, through their Rings and the spirit realm - are forced to retreat in disarray by a single unsure Dúnedain? Why?

@kaidorade1317 7 ай бұрын

Every time I see a tree I wonder: is that an Ent Wife?

@msgtpauldfreed 7 ай бұрын

I believe the Huorns were properly represented, although not visually, when Fangorn Forest annihilated the retreating Orc army. You don't need to see their power to know their power. The screams of the dying Orcs illustrated it well enough.

@eaglpaul1 5 ай бұрын

I feel the same. I never thought of the Huorns as not being represented in the film, they were there in the forest that had sprung up to block the Orcs' retreat from Helm's Deep. I feel that if the Huorns had been represented visually it would have taken up a lot of time because of there needing to be an explanation that they were Huorns and not Ents, how they differed, and what their purpose was. I also think that it would have been incredibly costly to create them physically, which is why Peter Jackson chose to hint at their existence knowing the fans of the books would know they were there, rather than having to tell people "These are Huorns, and this is why you should care." Peter Jackson did an amazing job of treating the audience like intelligent adults rather than spoon feeding them like children. Sorry, went a little off topic there. Oh, and as for an evil Treebeard, while it's intriguing to see the process the stories went through before they were published, I'm much happier that we got the Treebeard we have rather than the one that could have been.

@benyoder8592 7 ай бұрын

In the discussion of Ch. 2, Of Aule and Yavanna, one line really caught my eye: "When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared." Spirits? What spirits? And from afar? What does that mean? Maiar, but a lower tier of Maiar that never attached themselves to the service of a particular Vala? And they shall go among *both* the animals *and* the plants, so we're talking about much more than the ents, who are obviously not part of the animals. This line opens up all kinds of possibilities to explain creatures granted intelligence and the ability to speak, most of which Professor Tolkien never got around to detailing. First the good guys: Ents of course, then Goldberry and her mother the River Woman, the sentient ravens of Erebor we meet in The Hobbit, Huan the hound, the Eagles associated with Manwe, possibly sentient bears that might have been part of the ancestry of Beorn the shape changer, and possibly the stone giants of the Misty Mountains, also in the The Hobbit. Then add in all the bad guys, who originated as good guys until perverted by Morgoth and Sauron: dragons, trolls, wargs and werewolves, and Thuringwethil the bat woman,. I'll add one more: orcs. Instead of broken and perverted elves (in which case, what became of the elves' immortal souls?), I'd substitute a now extinct tunneling animal jumped up to intelligence and then horribly tortured by Morgoth. It makes a lot more sense than elves, which was only one possibility Tolkien considered.

@UATU. 7 ай бұрын

I’ve always imagined that Old Man Willow was a renegade Ent or Huorn. Thanks for this, I love the Ents.

@TheBrokenSword 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for stopping by! 😁 but the question is, was Old Man Willow a bit entish? Or turning more tree-like? 😂

@UATU. 7 ай бұрын

@@TheBrokenSword That’s an interesting idea, but with limited info I assume he turned into a Ent-ish serial killer that could swallow Hobbits whole. 😆

@jerryspiegelberg8721 7 ай бұрын

I've always thought of Ol' Man Willow was A very old Huorn .... from when " A Squirrel could go from Rivendell to the Sea, without touching the ground...."

@JumpingTomato 7 ай бұрын

Old man willow sure sounds like a huorn. More tree than ent, but sentient and dark. Maybe even evil.

@johanbertilsson2213 7 ай бұрын

I have always thought that Old Man Willow was a wayward Huorn, who in his hatred of things that moved had turned evil.

@upschutt4842 7 ай бұрын

Did you know John Rhys-Davies did not need a body double for playing Treebeard? This is his actual size.

@SuperEohippus Ай бұрын

In Estonia, where there are still many holy trees to whom people are still bringing gifts, the folktales considering these trees often tell that the trees had originally been growing somewhere else, but walked to their current site. The reason for the moving was for example a church being built too close, or people turning too greedy or forgetting the old customs of respecting nature.

@Holy_Grapefruit 5 ай бұрын

Treebeard ever since I've seen the movies for the first time as a child, he was and still is my favorite character in the entire 6 movie series. Radagast being a close second.

@David.Bowman. 7 ай бұрын

Not sure about an evil Treebeard, I like it the way it is. Couple of cool things to add, maybe relevant or not: - In The Book of Taliesin, the poem of Cad Goddeu tells of “a traditional story in which the legendary enchanter Gwydion animates the trees of the forest to fight as his army”. Wiki. - Treebeard’s language seems really similar to a method of counting called ‘Yan Tan Tethera, which was “a sheep-counting system traditionally used by shepherds in Northern England and some other parts of Britain. The words are numbers taken from Brythonic Celtic languages such as Cumbric which had died out in most of Northern England by the sixth century”. Wiki. Shepherds of the Forest! I just read about these things in the last week as I was reading about Celtic Britain and stuff. So much you can find that might’ve inspired Tolkien!

@CM-gy4ib 6 ай бұрын

Love this channel. Really, just so much fun to listen to. Tolkien’s universe is incredibly deep and rich and this is so great to explore as a passenger on your channel.

@daylanhicks9096 7 ай бұрын

Finally, Atleast for me. A face to the broken sword channel.

@TheBrokenSword 7 ай бұрын

😁

@loraelstad8941 7 ай бұрын

I’ve been lucky enough to see both James (in this video) & his buddy in this channel, Jake, doing either videos for their other various channels and even some Live streams before. 👍🏻 They’re both cool peeps and have lots of channels for many interests.

@babyyoda0U812 7 ай бұрын

These be my favorite creatures in all of Middle Earth. Great video big dawg !!!

@TheBrokenSword 7 ай бұрын

They are awesome!! And thank you 😁

@Ancientreapers 7 ай бұрын

Trees have come a long way in literature. First was Treebeard then Groot. Both Iconic characters.

@dansmith4077 7 ай бұрын

Comment for the algorithm

@TheBrokenSword 7 ай бұрын

I really appreciate your thinking 😁

@JimB.Walken 7 ай бұрын

FOR THE ALGORITHM!!!!

@TheBrokenSword 7 ай бұрын

FOR THE ALGORITHM! 😂

@timperry6095 7 ай бұрын

For the algorithm!

@briansheets3996 7 ай бұрын

You have, in my opinion, one of the best channels on KZfaq. Keep up the great work! Kudos!

@TheresaKozak 5 ай бұрын

Treebeard was frightening enough without being evil

@jacobgriffiths3405 7 ай бұрын

2 things I enjoy seeing. A sausage and egg roll and new content from TBS❤️⚔️

@loraelstad8941 7 ай бұрын

Now I’m hungry 😅

@uriustosh 7 ай бұрын

An evil army of Ents would wreck havoc about the land. It would be something to see.

@robertcoplin2830 7 ай бұрын

I think I like Treebeard just as he is.

@MondoBongos 7 ай бұрын

Are the Ents "people" in the same sense as Men, Dwarves, and Elves? Could they be adopted children of Eru as are the Dwarves? They are clearly sentient, can speak, and have their own culture, so I'm inclined to think they are. What do you think?

@ytfeelslikenorthkorea 6 ай бұрын

saying Ents are evil is like saying a sea is evil for destroying a coastline, or a river for flooding the banks. As for the Ent wives? Pretty sure they were turned into toothpicks by the orcs :)

@Chris-bv4ko 22 күн бұрын

Didn't know about the evil treebeard version. I'm glad it got changed, lol

@loraelstad8941 7 ай бұрын

Hey James! Loved this. Always had a fondness for the Ents, a fascination for the mystery of the loss of the Entwives and a healthy respect and wariness of the more unpredictable Huorns. I’m still not sure what to make of the latter. They seem to be depicted in different ways, like sometimes more instinctual like somewhat sentient though not super high reasoning trees, or other times, as in the fight at Isengard, where they appear to be holding their own in conjunction with the Sheperds, as capable and intelligent as them. Perhaps it was just in personalities that the Huorn were more wild and uncontrollable. I’ve loved the idea of trees that “walked” since I was a kid and learned they exist to a certain point in some places of the world. I had a great relationship with trees as a child. Literally a tree hugger. I felt a bond and joy with certain ones. For example, there was a cement planter that had only packed solid dirt in it that I could use to climb up into the fork of a tree on the grounds of my apartment building. It was on a hill & right by the sidewalk. I could just hang there for hours comfortably and daydream & commune, even talk softly to its branches. I lived in that same building (in 3 different units over time) from age 1 1/2 toddler to my mid to late 30s. Another favorite tree was one with a swing that I used to cut through properties across the street on that hill over to the next block almost, in order to reach. It was behind another apartment or house. I would swing & sing to myself made up songs, once with either 2 related ladies or a couple (I can’t recall) who clapped. Is it weird to miss trees like these. I’m not sure if it’s those innocent times with powerful emotions that I miss or if it really is the simple joy of the trees themselves as company. The wave of nostalgia is palpable though, as I travel back down memory lane. 🌳 ❤ Anyhow, back from the lengthy tangent: I prefer Treebeard as the hood Sheperd he was, protecting the trees from external dangers and even themselves, when the need arose. I don’t feel it would fit, being redundant to have evil Ents, if other forces like Huorns & the walking trees exist. They each seem to have their place. Thank you for this. I can’t tell you how many times in my life I imagined Ents aging into static trees and feeling the loss of nature’s protectors.

@David.Bowman. 7 ай бұрын

The Ents might be a lesson in loving your job so much you neglect your family life, from both counterpoints. The Ents clearly love their wives and vice versa, but they take each other for granted in the pursuit of their own interests. Then war destroys the Entwives who don’t have the Ents to fight with them and so they’re all gone. No more Entings and the species fades away. There’s something similar in the Simarillion or Lost Tales of Middle Earth, I think about one of the Mariner kings who keeps going out to sea so his wife keeps nagging him, which makes him want to be out at sea even more. Then during one long voyage, she takes their kid and leaves the home. He comes back one day and has no idea where they’ve gone. He tries to make amends but his wife doesn’t want to know and convinced his daughter all men are useless and will disappoint you so she’s doesn’t care either. His obsession with his job cost him his family. Like a Cats in the Cradle story.

@loraelstad8941 7 ай бұрын

@@David.Bowman. I do feel there’s layers of lessons in the writings. 👍🏻

@David.Bowman. 7 ай бұрын

@@loraelstad8941 layers, or branches, twigs, leaves, nuts and flowers 😊 and roots, not to forget the roots, deep and untouched by the frost…

@MerkhVision 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your cherished childhood memories of trees, I hear u!

@deansch6089 7 ай бұрын

Jesus. That quote reminds me why I was never able to finish the Silmarilion.

@MegaGandalf12 7 ай бұрын

The Old Man Willow is the evil version of the Ents.

@imaginemyshock8067 3 ай бұрын

A thought crosses my mind that although Yavanna spoke about Aule's dwarves cutting down her trees and them needing Entish protection, in the overall path of history men would have cut down more trees than the dwarves ever would.

@brianj.841 5 ай бұрын

Here's a disturbing thought: If Orcs were bred from Elves - or used as a template as it were, and Trolls were in imitation of Ents - the Ent-wives were used for the Troll templates. We know the Ent-wives were in what became "The Brown Lands".... I prefer to believe they escaped far north into the cold lands and became pines. (Pining for the lost lands and hopes.)

@NotContinuum 7 ай бұрын

The Ents hold a deep-rooted placed in the legendarium? Ha ha

@TheTableOfDurin 7 ай бұрын

There is never a reason necessary to quote the Silmarillion 😊

@loraelstad8941 7 ай бұрын

I’m like “Please read me the entire book. Then narrate my life!” 😁👍🏻

@TheTableOfDurin 7 ай бұрын

@@loraelstad8941 I agree 😄

@Tim.Stotelmeyer.2984 7 ай бұрын

The picture of Yavanna at 7:27 makes me think the artist used Rebecca Romijn as inspiration.

@logansfury 7 ай бұрын

I can recall without referring to the trilogy that Gandalf told Theoden something along the lines of he was about to meet the oldest creature living. This is probably both correct and incorrect depending upon how you term creature. In the Silmarillion it was told the oldest of all living things were the great weeds at the deeps of the oceans. As for thinking, mobile forms of life, The Ents were certainly eldest but living, growing flora preceded them.

@uriustosh 7 ай бұрын

Bombadil was before Arda, from the music. And he lives.

@logansfury 7 ай бұрын

@@uriustosh That's an excellent point and makes Gandalf's statement to Theoden incorrect as well.

@johnnyringo35 7 ай бұрын

Tom isn't a creature.....he's a force of nature, perhaps Eru himself....

@custink22 6 ай бұрын

@@johnnyringo35this, right here. I honestly believe that Tom Bombadil is a manefestation of Eru himself, merely an observer within the music of the Ainur, entirely uneffected by it, but also entirely in control of the melody. It would also make sense that Galdalf would want to speak with him at length, because how often does one get the chance to talk to God face to face? Even the Ainur seem to struggle to speak with him. And even if Galdalf didnt know (possibly couldnt know) that Tom was Eru, Gandalf could have his own theories and opinions. It would also be fitting, as Tolkiens world is based heavily on his faith, with Eru being the equivalent of the Christian God. And the Christian God is said to be in the world, and of the world, and creator of the world, and so much more... which honestlt fits Tom Bombadil perfectly. As well as the Christian God having walked with and spoken with Adam and others. So its... kinda cool to think. But thats merely my head canon. I doubt that Tolkien had fully intended for Tom to be Eru, but perhaps just a personification of the Music of the Ainur, which is different than Eru, who is the ultimate originator.

@garicb9271 6 ай бұрын

So was Old Man Willow an Ent or a Huorn?

@TarMody 7 ай бұрын

If Aulë had not attempted to form the Dwarves, there would have been no need for Yavanna to form the Ents. Therefore, here again we see a reflection of the interaction of the melodies of Aulë and Yavanna in the Music of the Ainur. The formation of spiritual beings of unknown origin mentioned in Tolkien's mythology can be theorized as follows: Harmony (benevolent) and disharmony (malevolent) in the Music of the Ainur manifest as "spiritual beings" as a result of Eru giving existence to the vision (image) with the Secret Fire. In line with this assumption, this interaction between Aulë and Yavanna's melodies created the spiritual beings (called by Yavanna) that formed the basis of the spiritual structure of the Ents. This theoretical approach provides a general framework for the formation of other spiritual beings mentioned in mythology. I will not discuss other examples in this video. I present only the one for the Ents.

@hayman21 7 ай бұрын

🔥🔥🔥

@caseynash9729 7 ай бұрын

8:45 is that Dane Ironfoot?

@richewilson6394 7 ай бұрын

I love prophecy in Macbeth.

@user-fl9te5ur2n 7 ай бұрын

If the mouth of souron got the keys of orthanc what would that mean for the ents there and where else in middle earth can we find ents?

@Jayjay-qe6um 7 ай бұрын

In fantasy and role-playing games such as Dungeons & Dragons, EverQuest, Magic: The Gathering, and the Warcraft PC game series, Tolkien-like ents known as teants or treefolk, for copyright reasons (much like hobbits are only referred to as halflings in Dungeons & Dragons and EverQuest).

@eyes759 6 ай бұрын

Is Old Man Willow a huorn?

@icarus1416 7 ай бұрын

I am groot

@ahriskof1 6 ай бұрын

Like if you just known the actor who played tree beard is the same actor who played gemli

@jerrydeem8845 7 ай бұрын

If the Ents ever run across a wooded glen full of Entwives I bet they bang the bark off of every one of them. Consensually of course, but definitely in a non-hasty fashion. Or my name isn't Quickbeam.

@gandalf4751 7 ай бұрын

😍😍😍😍👌

@n_conway7571 6 ай бұрын

What happened to the other guy that also ran this channel?

@Humts 7 ай бұрын

Oi Oi oi!

@annalorree 7 ай бұрын

Tolkien made orcs as counter to elves and men, dragons as counter to the eagles, then are trolls counter to ents? And if orcs are twister former elves, then are trolls ents twisted by evil? When were trolls first mentioned in Arda? Could trolls be what happened to the entwives?

@michaelt.5672 6 ай бұрын

I believe it is mentioned somewhere that the reason trolls turn to stone in sunlight is because stone is what they were originally made of. So they most likely aren't former ents or entwives. The entire matter of how orks, dragons and trolls came to be exactly is left as somewhat of a mistery, and I don't think that is by accident. But what they have in common is that they don't have true souls and independent wills, as only Iluvatar can grant that (described as the "secret fire"). Their only will and identity is what their creator put into them. Given that it is explicitly mentioned that the origins of orks might be linked to elves Morgoth captured and the fact that Sauron is later known as the "Necromancer", it isn't a stretch to imagine that Orks a kind of derivative of elven corpses. Then there are the varieties of animals that Morgoth and Sauron twisted and sometimes gave more intelligence than they'd naturally have, such as the Wargs. The dragons were probably a result of doing this to the extreme. Tolkien always talks about how neither Morgoth nor Sauron could create something truly of their own, they could only create mockeries of the work of the Valar. Their corrupted creatures, like the Balrogs or the Nazgul, stand distinctly apart from what they created themselves. So a corrupted Ent would be MUCH more powerful than a troll.

@morgoth173 7 ай бұрын

Video 277

@GenkiTheEthical 7 ай бұрын

I don't think they are good or evil. Nature is neutral. The Ents are just Ents.

@cityman2312 7 ай бұрын

7:26 I would worship Yavannah... I love green women 💚💚💚💚

@random22026 7 ай бұрын

21:31 We see what you did there! 😉😉 1:41 Tolkien's raison d'etre for creating the world of Middle Earth, was, in actual FACT, 'Shakespeare'. 1:59 The Bard himself was being prophetic, concerning Tolkien's involvement in his OWN history: naming 'BIRNAM' in MacBeth! BIRMINGHAM is the place where the young Tolkien went to school and made friendships that would inspire his creative oeuvre. And that 'WOOD'? A 'halfling', perhaps: HOLLYWOOD. 2:55 12:54 This man was NOT the inspiration for Treebeard! NOPE. No conceivable way. Tolkien's inspiration for the naming of the trees who are Ents, came from a distinctly Shakespearean source: Edward De Medici De Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford, WAS 'Shakespeare'; and he married, lastly, the love of his life, Elizabeth Trent. Tree Ent. TRENT. Her family name, and background, went back centuries! And hence, the singling out of 'Ent Wives': SHE is the one Professor Tolkien singled out. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🤲🏻🤲🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 13:36 The HUORns. It is important to correlate the Silmarillion characters o HUOR and TUOR, with this LotR clan.

@MerkhVision 6 ай бұрын

Lmao this is hilarious nonsense. Finding patterns where none exist, claiming coincidences to be connections. Great conspiracy theory!

@vladsview194 6 ай бұрын

You gay, bro?

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