Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Lower Decks 4.10 - Old Friends, New Planets

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8 ай бұрын

The First Duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth. It's the final episode of Star Trek: Lower Decks Season 4! Here's Seán with all the Ups & Downs.
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@Seal0626
@Seal0626 8 ай бұрын
Missed one easter egg - the GD explosion looked exactly like a Kolvoord Starburst. Locarno finally got to perform one, all by himself.
@Scuzzlebutt142
@Scuzzlebutt142 8 ай бұрын
Yes, I was just thinking that as I watched the shot of the Captains Yacht. Also, it has 6 "tines", for the 5 members of Nova Squad, and Mariner, the "junior" member.
@Denflexi
@Denflexi 8 ай бұрын
Alas, much like the last one, due to Locarno's hubris someone needlessly died to create it.
@WLGnome
@WLGnome 8 ай бұрын
Missed easter egg... romulan ship being sideway (the way the designer meant it to be filmed)
@oldgrizzlygamer
@oldgrizzlygamer 8 ай бұрын
The explosion actually looked like the genesis explosion in the Wrath of Khan 1 hour 35 minutes and 14 seconds into the film.
@jobervelasco8614
@jobervelasco8614 8 ай бұрын
​@@oldgrizzlygamercorrect. As soon as I saw that, it reminded me of the Enterprise warping away after Spock sacrificed himself to save the ship.
@JTBear37
@JTBear37 8 ай бұрын
Billups being protective of the Cerritos is akin to Scotty getting into a fight with the Klingons over "garbage scow"
@VegetaLF7
@VegetaLF7 8 ай бұрын
This. Never insult a ship in front of her engineers, *especially* the Chief Engineer. You're just asking for a beatdown if you do.
@ronmicheals8329
@ronmicheals8329 7 ай бұрын
I thought the exact same thing.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 4 ай бұрын
Unless you're the chief engineer in Space Quest 5......... He will acknowledge the fact but beat you up out of principle.
@stntylr101
@stntylr101 8 ай бұрын
"Captain Picard will be so proud of you" Of course this leads to the gut punch moment when Captain Picard tells Wesley that he is disappointed in him.
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
Didja notice how Locarno took advantage of Wesley's daddy issues to manipulate him? Pretty slick work, really.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
I just re-watched "The First Duty." Locarno only recruited Wesley because he'd served on the _D_ (retroactive "up" from me to when Casey recruited Boimler into the "Redshirts"). He was a gaslighter and an abusive manipulator and _did not deserve_ the rehabilitation afforded to Tom Paris, so I'm glad they ended up being two different characters.
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
​@@GSBarlev It's enough to make me wonder if it was Robert Duncan McNeill who requested they make a new character for _Voyager_ that he could play differently. Maybe that's what that whole thing was really about.
@generalilbis
@generalilbis 8 ай бұрын
​@@BrasswatchmanLike with initial plans to have Ro Laren in Kira Nerys' place on DS9 till Michelle Forbes said no, they seemingly wanted to use Locarno for VOY but there was an apparently mistaken belief that the writer of "The First Duty" would be given royalties for every episode Nick Locarno would appear. That being an expensive proposition due to a character intended to be Voyager's helmsman, they created a similar character. Funny thing is that Locarno wasn't like Kzinti - an IP created external to Star Trek and lent to it by Larry Niven for animation only - but considered part of the Star Trek IP and free to use.
@QBCPerdition
@QBCPerdition 8 ай бұрын
​@generalilbis they actually go into this on the podcast. There was no question of royalties, Rick Berman was just concerned that Locarno was irredeemable and that fans would not like a redemption arc for him. They decided on a new character and were looking for a "Robert Duncan McNeill-type" to play Paris, when someone had the bright idea to just call Robbie. He auditioned and surprisingly fit the mold they were looking for.
@theotakux5959
@theotakux5959 8 ай бұрын
I've loved T'Lyn, she's been the best part of the season for me up until this episode (She's still great, but this episode is great as a whole), and the line "Why would I say anything I do not mean?" is probably one of my favorite parts of the season. As much as she's integrating into the starfleet crew and the Lower Deckers, that line proves Mariner's point that she is, in fact, Vulcan as a motherfucker.
@ffreed
@ffreed 8 ай бұрын
And the “Cerritos Strong” line was especially meaningful coming from her.
@KentuckyKaiju
@KentuckyKaiju 8 ай бұрын
I love that their solution to the Trynar shield involved the Cerritos playing to its actual strength: towing a busted ship better than any other Federation vessel.
@josephsheranda
@josephsheranda 8 ай бұрын
This is the second time the tractor capability of the California class has been seen on-screen, and I must say it is stunning. Those ships must be massively overpowered to accomplish such feats.
@Blasted2Oblivion
@Blasted2Oblivion 8 ай бұрын
@@josephsheranda Reminds me of modern towing barges. They can drag around pretty much any ship regardless of how much more massive they are.
@christopheralthouse6378
@christopheralthouse6378 8 ай бұрын
“Lower Decks”…the true unsung heroes! 😍😁
@Nomad77ca
@Nomad77ca 8 ай бұрын
Reminded me of the 'rock throwing' incident in Picard.
@penguinmaster7
@penguinmaster7 8 ай бұрын
they're great for utility tasks, and being a space-tugboat is one of them
@PassivesAbseits
@PassivesAbseits 8 ай бұрын
There are 2 ways to view Mariners mental relapse arc: Those guys, who struggle with mental health, call it a bold and realistic description and would give it an up. Those who never struggled just don't get it. God bless you, Sean, for not getting it, I hope you never will. But personally I still think it is amazing, how Lower Decks also tackles such heavy issues.
@TheKrstff
@TheKrstff 8 ай бұрын
Look, we all know the real reason for the relapse arc is because the writer's didn't like the happy and put together Mariner of season 3. Everything else is just a way to explain the real world decision to have her regress.
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
You may be correct in that.
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
​@@TheKrstff You don't get it either. You likely will, though. Eventually.
@Dracattack
@Dracattack 8 ай бұрын
I think everyone forgets Boimler died this season. We specifically never see Mariner react to that of course she back slides after that.
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
@@Dracattack I don't think that's the trigger, since she doesn't see it happen to him. It really does seem to me like it's just the rank above Sito's that sets her off.
@PitFriend1
@PitFriend1 8 ай бұрын
Hang on. You didn’t mention in Cetacean Observations that there actually were seat belts in the ship Mariner took? She buckled in the Genesis Device. People often joke Starfleet hasn’t invented seatbelts but apparently they have, it’s just no one uses the things.
@illexsquid
@illexsquid 8 ай бұрын
I also wanted him to acknowledge at some point that she kept talking to it and calling it "G.D."
@powerist209
@powerist209 8 ай бұрын
Drama purpose, I guess. Like it’s better to see people stumbling around after each hits or sucked out into space in hullbreach. Seems that Gundam seems to be aware of this (like ship bridge crews have seat belts and space suits during battle).
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 4 ай бұрын
Or that Nova Fleet is a mirror to Captain Tom Paris' ( he took a voluntary demotion) Delta Flight from Star Trek Online.
@FreihEitner
@FreihEitner 8 ай бұрын
The pay wall on the Ferengi bomb was utterly brilliant. So very much in line with established Ferengi culture as well as a quick bit of levity in the episode's explosive climax.
@derianardor
@derianardor 8 ай бұрын
It also clarified how mariner was right compared to Nick's ego. He was capable but he refused to consider him ever being wrong
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
It was very cunning of them to put a paywall on the _deactivation_ mechanism and not the _arming_ mechanism. Because if you're arming a bomb, you won't be able to collect, but if you're trying to prevent it from blowing up, you'll pay whatever you have to save your hide.
@christopheralthouse6378
@christopheralthouse6378 8 ай бұрын
@@GSBarlevTHIS! 😅😂🤣
@andrewmurray1550
@andrewmurray1550 8 ай бұрын
Genesis device not a Ferengi bomb.....
@generalilbis
@generalilbis 8 ай бұрын
​@andrewmurray1550 It's a Ferengi copy of a Genesis Device. Or it was a Starfleet/Federation model and the OS was replaced with a Ferengi one.
@DoctorSquirtle
@DoctorSquirtle 8 ай бұрын
T'Lyn's response when ordered back by StarFleet was "Cerritos Strong." That's essentially the same as Spock's at the end of Star Trek VI when StarFleet ordered the Enterprise back for decommissioning, "I believe my response would be go to Hell if I were human." T'Lyn was amazing this season.
@calcubite9298
@calcubite9298 8 ай бұрын
or Data's response of "to hell with our orders" from First Contact
@josephsheranda
@josephsheranda 8 ай бұрын
@@calcubite9298 I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught both of those callbacks.
@aqdrobert
@aqdrobert 6 ай бұрын
Janeway: You want us to return to Earth for debriefing? We are headed back to the DELTA QUADRANT! Voyager Strong! Tuvok: Fascinating.
@MsMoonfan4ever
@MsMoonfan4ever 8 ай бұрын
I love that Mariner's plan after activating Little Genesis is basically the same thing Holo-Mariner did during the first Vendicta adventure, and now she gets to be that idolized version of herself standing against the person that insists Starfleet is only the worst of what's been seen, AND she gets to live to tell the tale about it
@wendyheatherwood
@wendyheatherwood 8 ай бұрын
She also got to recreate part of her Cardassian prison break scenario by single-handedly stealing back a captured Starfleet ship. I guess that programme was good practice.
@ronmicheals8329
@ronmicheals8329 7 ай бұрын
Ohhhh, right
@Sesadre
@Sesadre 8 ай бұрын
Just a fun note: in the end when the Orion ship Tendi was on goes to warp, and we see the pretty colors, everything RED-shifts instead of the BLUE-shift that we saw when looking forward. This is just such an amazing detail that I absolutely love. We're also able to clearly see the 1c flash from behind as well, very nice.
@auricstorm
@auricstorm 8 ай бұрын
What do you reckon, has she gone evil? I think that face is a "bring it on" rather than "finally I can drop my fake happy disguise"
@LordInsane100
@LordInsane100 8 ай бұрын
@@auricstorm I personally suspect it's her _adopting_ a fake different-from-normal-happy disguise. Basically, she's getting herself into the role of the Mistress of the Winter Constellation, which isn't who she is but is who she needs to be right now.
@StuartQuinn
@StuartQuinn 8 ай бұрын
​@@LordInsane100I think that's 100% correct.
@BenDaresAll
@BenDaresAll 8 ай бұрын
I screamed when Boimler was the acting captain. I also cried a little at Tendi's good bye. Gimme a comforting hug?
@Enterprise1701J
@Enterprise1701J 8 ай бұрын
🤗
@Vipre-
@Vipre- 8 ай бұрын
And T'Lyn sure looked good in the First Officer's chair.
@BenDaresAll
@BenDaresAll 8 ай бұрын
@@Enterprise1701J glee! :)
@christopheralthouse6378
@christopheralthouse6378 8 ай бұрын
IKR! The whole time, I’m thinking “Mariner would be SOOOOO proud right now!” 😍👍🏻😁 And, of course…hellllzzz yeah she is! 😅😁
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
Poor Rutherford, though! Dude looks like all the joy's been torn out of his life.
@Kingkent1207
@Kingkent1207 8 ай бұрын
My favorite thing in this episode is that the lower deckers are put in charge of the Cerritos, while all of the senior staff go on the away mission to rescue Mariner. It is a perfect counter argument to Locarno’s philosophy. Locarno’s philosophical point is that lower deckers are not valued, and their lives are recklessly spent for pointless reasons while senior officers survive and take all the glory. Prior to this episode I would have said that he is not wrong, at least in Starfleet where redshirts feel like an expendable commodity. But Captain Freeman demonstrates simultaneously that she trusts the lower deckers to give them complete control of her ship, and that all of the senior staff are willing to risk their lives to save one of their own. It shows that, while they still exist within a ranked hierarchy, all of their lives are equally valuable and the competency of everyone on the crew is recognised and respected.
@ronmicheals8329
@ronmicheals8329 7 ай бұрын
Yes
@keit99
@keit99 4 ай бұрын
I didn't make that connection, but it makes so much sense.
@heatherstarling1653
@heatherstarling1653 8 ай бұрын
I do declare that Twaining should become an official form of diplomacy.
@Janoha17
@Janoha17 8 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, it only works for inter-crew diplomacy.
@Enterprise1701J
@Enterprise1701J 8 ай бұрын
Why does it even work? 😂
@heatherstarling1653
@heatherstarling1653 8 ай бұрын
@@Enterprise1701J probably because the participants are basking in the absurdity of it, thus bridging an alliance 🤷🏻‍♀️
@Enterprise1701J
@Enterprise1701J 8 ай бұрын
@@heatherstarling1653 I was just quoting Captain Freeman 🤣
@heatherstarling1653
@heatherstarling1653 8 ай бұрын
@@Enterprise1701J 😆😆😆
@SpaceyO2
@SpaceyO2 8 ай бұрын
Shax's face when Tendi asks for Barter by Combat...
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
25:40 You've just got to feel for Rutherford in this situation. Platonic or not, he looks like he's just had his heart ripped out. Poor guy.
@tanman99
@tanman99 8 ай бұрын
OMG and that last look he gives after putting on a brave face for his friends and then slows down just a half a step so he can express his true feelings.
@NFreund
@NFreund 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, i don't think it was platonic - they both though it was, but there where so many hints that it isn't...
@michaelpapp5518
@michaelpapp5518 8 ай бұрын
5:47 wish it were Majel’s voice. “Previously, on Star Trek…and now the conclusion.”
@stephengsargent
@stephengsargent 8 ай бұрын
Another easter egg is that when Migleemo puffs up, I thought it was very reminiscent of when Phlox puffed up his face in Enterprise.
@ryanodriscoll
@ryanodriscoll 8 ай бұрын
No amount of podcasts will make me agree with last week's assessment. But this is this week. Captain Boimler was a highlight for me. His character growth has been great overall and that was the brilliant moment that showed his growth.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
Jessie Gender's review had me come around about Sito, and the flashback put it all together, where that's the down I'm erasing. Sito was Mariner's _first_ loss, and had she been her last, I don't think it would have justified her behavior. But that was just the first drop of what would be a hurricane of death during the Dominion War.
@tanman99
@tanman99 8 ай бұрын
Agreed. Last week’s Ups and Downs were just abhorrent. At least they didn’t 💩all over the episode this week.
@JoshBeardyHarris
@JoshBeardyHarris 8 ай бұрын
​@@GSBarlev I just google them. Can you tell me or link the specific episode of theirs that you are referencing. That YT channel is new to me.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
@@JoshBeardyHarris Jessie Gender After Dark. Review of Star Trek Lower Decks 4.09
@JoshBeardyHarris
@JoshBeardyHarris 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!@@GSBarlev
@scoobiesnatches
@scoobiesnatches 8 ай бұрын
The cat and mouse scene between Mariner and Locarno’s fleet reminded me of that one ice ring scene in Titan AE.
@tyrant-den884
@tyrant-den884 8 ай бұрын
Appropriate considering
@malacorath
@malacorath 8 ай бұрын
There are some straight up copied shots of those scenes.
@gallifreyja1237
@gallifreyja1237 8 ай бұрын
I came here to comment about that, loved that nod.
@Mark_o_Helm
@Mark_o_Helm 8 ай бұрын
The Titan also formed a new planet. Bob.😁
@hfar_in_the_sky
@hfar_in_the_sky 8 ай бұрын
Honestly, I was NOT expecting a Titan AE reference in the finale of this season and it was a ton of fun!
@ChristopherCook227
@ChristopherCook227 8 ай бұрын
One thing that didn't get mentioned is that I'm pretty sure Tendi is actually on a secret mission for the Federation. Once everyone is back safe and the Captain is talking to the Admiral, he mentions that everyone at Starfleet is happy that she has opened diplomatic relations with Orion. Then at the end he says "There is one last piece of business regarding your Lieutenant..." and we cut away. Once she's on the Orion ship and she turns around she says "You've got this." I'm betting Tendi has an mission of some kind.
@GrandInfernoElite
@GrandInfernoElite 8 ай бұрын
I thought tendi was just nervous about becoming a pirate again full time and trying to give herself a pep talk. I did think it was strange that they opened relations with the orions when all they did was deal with 1 crime family. That's an interesting idea. Maybe the orion government wants to move away from piracy but the families are too powerful to take down.
@antonnurwald5700
@antonnurwald5700 7 ай бұрын
I didn't pick up on that, excellent observation! Though i will say: the one thing this show is terrible at is developing a mystery story side-arc to an interesting conclusion. They all got butchered.
@ghjong001
@ghjong001 7 ай бұрын
The Cleaner is just doing her thing.
@Vectorspace000
@Vectorspace000 7 ай бұрын
I only caught that on my second viewing.
@madiaw5553
@madiaw5553 7 ай бұрын
She still got the combage on her too.
@LinguaPhiliax
@LinguaPhiliax 8 ай бұрын
The fact you got yourself a Mark Twain cosplay just for that bit. YOU, my friend, deserve an up.
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
That's dedication to the bit, that is.
@MrDionysus23
@MrDionysus23 8 ай бұрын
He’s had that outfit since the first Twain episode of LD.
@LinguaPhiliax
@LinguaPhiliax 8 ай бұрын
He deserves a latinum up then!
@zacharyvalko7699
@zacharyvalko7699 8 ай бұрын
Tendi's little smirk at the end just reinforces something I've thought since the moment it happened: she threw the fight against her sister, and will be taking over her family's crime empire...hopefully to make a change on Orion. I'm excited for season 5!
@catherineelmore2004
@catherineelmore2004 8 ай бұрын
I could *totally* see that. She wanted to boost her sister’s confidence. It worked. It worked *too well* . And now, it is the *original* Daughter Prime of the Tendi crime family’s job to teach her sister some hard earned humility! (Like… had she just not given her the ship, I think she could have, eventually, come to see the politically difficult situation her sister was in being asked that as someone who just took the position she’s in. Not immediately but eventually the Star Fleet non interference with internal politics policy would have come up and she would have said ok, I don’t like it but I get it. But *giving them a ship but having it be busted as some form of maliciously compliant gotcha? When the friend she’s trying to rescue is someone that D’erica knows- who helped when they all thought she’d been kidnapped? Oh yeah, D’vana’s here to kick ass and eat jumja sticks and she’s all out of jumja sticks!
@Wild-Dad
@Wild-Dad 8 ай бұрын
I had those exact thoughts and added that to this comment stream as well. I get the impression that we actually haven’t seen the real Tendi all this time.
@aniyn
@aniyn 7 ай бұрын
I think Tendi is on an actual mission. The "You got this" at the end seems too specific, and when Freeman was talking to star fleet command they cut away after the admiral commented about wanting to talk about her lieutenant, but didn't actually specify WHICH lieutenant.
@DarthTella
@DarthTella 8 ай бұрын
The animators deserve a bonus for this season. The animation was so polished!
@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 8 ай бұрын
Also, Sean missed this apparently, but the Orion ship is a TAS-style Orion ship! It's a near copy of the one from Pirates of Orion!
@ellied1701
@ellied1701 8 ай бұрын
I love that they got Shannon Fill back; her last tv/film credit is from 1995. So glad she was able to reprise her role! 😀
@Kalhenwrath1
@Kalhenwrath1 8 ай бұрын
The ending theme this week deserved an up of its own. Also, I want a side-series of Mistress of the Winter Constellation until Tendi comes back.
@morebaileyskim
@morebaileyskim 8 ай бұрын
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who paused to take the whole thing in. It was incredible music throughout and the end credits were no exception
@AlistairBrugsch
@AlistairBrugsch 8 ай бұрын
Me too. As soon as I heard a different theme I rode it to the end. So good.
@Kalhenwrath1
@Kalhenwrath1 8 ай бұрын
@@morebaileyskim ​@AlistairBrugsch Did you two also notice a distinct lack of Jennifer this season?
@williamtsutherland8240
@williamtsutherland8240 8 ай бұрын
Many Ups to the Artists of this episode for having "Joshua Albert" absolutely look like the son of "Lt. Commander Albert" played by Ed Lauter (1938-2013) in "The First Duty". A wonderful way to honor him.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
I noticed that too. Didn't know that we lost the actor who played Cmdr. Albert-his delivery (of his few lines) was so powerful. The tragedy of losing a son and thinking that he almost took out four other students with him. Came across in the actor's every facial expression and warble.
@sjTHEfirst
@sjTHEfirst 8 ай бұрын
I kept waiting for Nick to say that he was best pilot in Starfleet “no matter what that guy Tom Paris says”.
@Oddlogical
@Oddlogical 8 ай бұрын
I literally pointed at the screen and yelled, "Holy s***, that's a Steamrunner-class!!!" Loved it! Great episode, great season!
@Tarv1
@Tarv1 8 ай бұрын
I was "Oh f**K yeah!! a Streamrunner!!!!"
@jackmartin245
@jackmartin245 8 ай бұрын
Me too
@Kreachie
@Kreachie 8 ай бұрын
At first i was cheerul because we thought it was a steamrunner, but apparently it’s not, it’s called the “Sabrerunner-Class” … i know its not good is it? Basically it’s a Baby-Steamrunner at around 190 m long as opposed to its cousin’s 322 m length. My guess was she was designed during the Dominion War as a cheaper and smaller Steamrunner alternative that could do the same stuff but still be able to function like it’s older and bigger cousin. But following War’s end many wrecks of the SRs were scattered around, and Locarno apparently got ahold of one either at surplus or he stole it from either the battlefield or a Reserve fleet facility. My guess for the latter is Starfleet wanted to cut back on tactical ships and only kept the Newest and least battle-scarred ones in service, while the ones that suffered the most were decommissioned. My guess is Locarno retrieved her from a salvage yard, or stole her from the mothball fleet.
@maestro4287
@maestro4287 8 ай бұрын
The musical callback to James Horner's "Battle in the Mutara Nebula" from Wrath of Khan soundtrack was my favorite part.
@boblundin394
@boblundin394 8 ай бұрын
I love that score as much as the movie itself, and this episode leaned into it hard! Just a beautiful tribute
@daenerystargaryen6302
@daenerystargaryen6302 8 ай бұрын
Two hours of my life that I will never get back. Just a broken viewscreen and endless boredom!
@AlistairBrugsch
@AlistairBrugsch 8 ай бұрын
The score 💯 makes WoK and the aural references to it in this episode were so on point. I loved every minute of it.
@shaungratton
@shaungratton 8 ай бұрын
The crystal nebula chase was like titan A.E.
@pcbigfile
@pcbigfile 8 ай бұрын
the ice ring of Tigrin
@Mark_o_Helm
@Mark_o_Helm 8 ай бұрын
And the Titan formed a new planet. Bob.😁
@zackmorrison470
@zackmorrison470 8 ай бұрын
Billups defending the Cerritos is 100% Kaylee from Firefly defending Serenity! That made me smile!
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
Or Scotty picking a fight with some Klingons when they insult the _Enterprise_ in "Trouble With Tribbles." Long tradition there.
@captcleghorn
@captcleghorn 8 ай бұрын
@@Brasswatchman yes, that was pure Scotty in "Tribbles".
@explorinjenkins349
@explorinjenkins349 8 ай бұрын
I got Scotty from the tribble episode of TOS vibes.
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
@@captcleghorn Who would you rather fight, though, Scotty or Kaylee? I'm definitely going with Scotty. Kaylee had something like five or six brothers, didn't she? You just *know* she fights dirty. 🥶
@catherineelmore2004
@catherineelmore2004 8 ай бұрын
I can totally see that but my first thought was Scotty throwing down against the Klingon who says the Enterprise should be hauled away as garbage in The Trouble with Tribbles.
@DirtSweatGears
@DirtSweatGears 8 ай бұрын
I like how they told Lacarno's story because a villain that's truly done right is a reflection of the ugly side of humanity. In Lacarno's case, it's how does this personality type respond to the circumstances life dealt with him. Not in a twirly mustache sort of way, but in a very realistic "this person is a narcissist who made bad choices and can't accept responsibility", except in the context of Star Trek. There are countless people in real life who ARE that person.
@rickjohnston2667
@rickjohnston2667 7 ай бұрын
Yes, and we won't mention any names or get political, but there are people who crave power who are exactly like that.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 4 ай бұрын
It's also a good evil mirror to Tom Paris in Star Trek Online with his Delta Flight.
@Nergalsama01
@Nergalsama01 8 ай бұрын
I love how friggin' old Locarno looks. The man's in his thirties and looks at least 20 years older than that. Life's been harsh to this guy after the Academy expelled him. Compare that to Tom Paris in S2.
@bthsr7113
@bthsr7113 7 ай бұрын
A healthy mind helps lead to a healthy body and life. But Locarno....
@Snowthree
@Snowthree 8 ай бұрын
The whole bit with the ice crystals is a massive reference to the movie Titan A.E. They share an almost identical design with the fight within having some similarities and the movie even ends in a similar manner, with the Titan being used to form a new planet using the ice crystals that gets an unusual persons name (Planet Bob) where-as in LD the Genesis Device gets activated and uses the nebula and crystals to form a new planet that gets an unusual persons name (Planet Locardo). As someone who loved Titan A.E. back when I was little I was so happy to see the references.
@N1FNE
@N1FNE 8 ай бұрын
I loved when Billups was ready to throw down at the perceived slight towards the Cerritos. It reminded me of when Scotty started a fight with the Klingons for calling the Enterprise a garbage scow! I'd call that a missed "Up!"
@vanashke001
@vanashke001 8 ай бұрын
Lacarno's emblem on his jacket, front and back is the graphic of the kolvoord starburst.
@Janoha17
@Janoha17 8 ай бұрын
That might have been noted with his introduction in Inner Fight.
@leaarinwarkentine
@leaarinwarkentine 8 ай бұрын
That was mentioned in last week's episode
@nathanielromero7660
@nathanielromero7660 8 ай бұрын
My dad made a prediction at the beginning of the season that the ship was going to be Iconian. He was a little disappointed but still enjoyed it being Nick Lacarno
@InJeffable
@InJeffable 8 ай бұрын
I think the flashback solved the issue of Mariner and Sito being friends when Sito would later claim that she had no friends. Mariner may have considered herself Sito's friend, but she was really more of a Nova Squad groupie. Sito may have been fond of Mariner, but there wasn't a real friendship there.
@bloglazer9410
@bloglazer9410 8 ай бұрын
Uh, no. We know Mariner isn’t the best at dealing with her emotions, and she probably didn’t know how to respond to and comfort her friend after the accident happened. She may well have avoided the interaction altogether, leading Sito to believe her friend had abandoned her and that they were no longer friends. That doesn’t necessarily change how Mariner feels, and she may also be carrying guilt about how she responded (or failed to) when her friend was going through it. No offense, but your explaination is the mindset I expected Locarno to have with Mariner, a groupie he could exploit.
@Vipre-
@Vipre- 8 ай бұрын
I don't recall Sito saying she had no friends, I just remember her saying none of her immediate classmates would take her flight test with her. Regardless you're probably right in that it was more a lower classman upper classman relationship than a close friendship. Had a couple of those in school myself.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
@@bloglazer9410 If Mariner hadn't been there for Sito in her time of need, that would have been a _whole different can of guilt_ that she'd be unpacking. Best I can resolve is that Sito was being (slightly) hyperbolic. It also makes zero sense that Mariner and Wesley wouldn't have hung out, given their mutual connection to Sito and that they ended up being in the same class (Beckett was wrapping up her first year when second-year Wesley was forced to "repeat the grade").
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
@@Vipre- Sito's exact line to Picard: > Sir, if you had any idea what it was like after that incident. *I didn't have any friends.* I didn't have anyone to talk to. I had to take my flight test with the instructor because no one else would be my partner.
@manic5378
@manic5378 8 ай бұрын
@@Vipre- SITO: Sir, if you had any idea what it was like after that incident. I didn't have any friends. I didn't have anyone to talk to. I had to take my flight test with the instructor because no one else would be my partner. In a lot of ways it would have been easier to just walk away, but I didn't. I stuck with it. Doesn't that say something about my character, too?
@joshualieberman2265
@joshualieberman2265 8 ай бұрын
This is by far the best season finale of any star trek show I have seen in a while and I did not in any way shape or form expect it from an animated series but OMG they did an absolutely amazing job on this finale so much care and such a good plot.
@christopheralthouse6378
@christopheralthouse6378 8 ай бұрын
Welcome to LD, my friend…😅😁👍🏻
@aerospatium3129
@aerospatium3129 8 ай бұрын
Two non-Trek easter eggs you may have missed: 1 - The star-shaped crystals in the hide-and-seek sequence are a wonderful hommage to a similar scene at the climax of Don Bluth's Titan A.E.! 2 - The Ferengi interface on the Genesis device has a striking resemblance with the animated interface on the Soviet probe Val Kilmer's character has to deal with at the end of Antony Hoffman's Red Planet.
@Kodok316
@Kodok316 8 ай бұрын
The stance Boimler had on the captain's chair was very Riker-y ! 😀
@Jeffrey_Lew
@Jeffrey_Lew 8 ай бұрын
The scene had Best of Both Worlds pt2 vibes.
@digitalrex5
@digitalrex5 8 ай бұрын
The thing I like best about T’Lynn is how she shows the evolution of human and Vulcan’s relationship over the centuries of Star Trek… Enterprise showed them as antagonistic yet slowly starting to respect each other…. TOS/SNW they are friends but still have some awkward quirks in their relationship (see the SNW this season and McCoy and Spock’s relationship) by the late TNG era the two cultures are old friends who completely get one another (you also see this in the friendship between Tuvok and Janeway)
@PsyKosh
@PsyKosh 8 ай бұрын
And then there's future timeline Discovery where vulcans seem to have achieved a bit more balance on the subject of emotion. Still walking the path of logic, but seemingly more comfortable with emotion. At least that's how it seemed to me.
@daenerystargaryen6302
@daenerystargaryen6302 8 ай бұрын
@@PsyKosh no one watches Discovery. That future crap is not canon!
@morebaileyskim
@morebaileyskim 8 ай бұрын
⁠@@daenerystargaryen6302neither are your KZfaq comment responses
@digitalrex5
@digitalrex5 8 ай бұрын
@@morebaileyskim well what is or isn’t canon is entirely up to Alex Kurtzman and no one else at the moment
@josephsheranda
@josephsheranda 8 ай бұрын
@@digitalrex5 Disco is definitely not part of my head-canon. I only forced myself to watch the first two seasons for context of the tie-ins to SNW.
@DoinItforNewCommTech
@DoinItforNewCommTech 8 ай бұрын
On the topic of Spock still being alive, it would be nice to see Boimler get to meet up with Spock again in the present day. Good opportunity to repay the favour of Tawny and Jack appearing on SNW by giving Ethan Peck a guest starring role! I'm sure Spock raised an eyebrow when he heard the news of the LD-style uniforms being rolled out and uttered a "fascinating"
@UltimatePerfection
@UltimatePerfection 7 ай бұрын
Agreed. Hopefully it will happen in the next season.
@bthsr7113
@bthsr7113 7 ай бұрын
They have to hurry up on that before the Romulan fustercluck and he ends up in the Kelvin timeline thinking, "here we go again." Only a few years in universe until that all goes down.
@captianblitz
@captianblitz 2 ай бұрын
Imagine if the Cerritos was assigned to help Spock with the red matter. His face upon seeing Boimler trying to help him with a science project would be priceless, since the last one exploded and all
@Gangerworld
@Gangerworld 8 ай бұрын
"I believe in the mission" with the Starfleet Delta should be on a t-shirt.
@qynxi3396
@qynxi3396 8 ай бұрын
With the theme of this episode, I did like the fact that the explosion of the Genesis Device was reminiscent of the intended starburst pattern of the Kolvoord Starbust Manuevor, as the Captain's Yatch warps away.
@craigejacobs
@craigejacobs 8 ай бұрын
You just know that Planet Locarno will be unstable because of course the Ferengi used Protomatter in their Genesis device.
@jgant5063
@jgant5063 8 ай бұрын
No telling how they shortchanged the formula… 😁
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
Seems practically inevitable, yeah.
@IdealIdeas100
@IdealIdeas100 8 ай бұрын
Sounds like they didnt steal the premium model.
@N1FNE
@N1FNE 8 ай бұрын
Had to be a lowest bidder issue.
@generalilbis
@generalilbis 8 ай бұрын
Would be even more hilarious if the Ferengi version DIDN'T have proto-matter and the planet's stable...can't sell and re-sell a planet if it only last days or weeks 😅
@JustJessee
@JustJessee 8 ай бұрын
As soon as I saw the Cerritos was tractor towing that Orion warship behind it I had a squeal of "OMG they're gonna Shrike that thing at the forcefield!" I was not let down 😂
@tiacho2893
@tiacho2893 8 ай бұрын
Little detail that's easily missed. Mariner didn't roll up her sleeves during her Star Fleet Academy day.
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
Yeah. This was her starting out fresh.
@bthsr7113
@bthsr7113 8 ай бұрын
And the way she did up her hair back then is how she did up her hair when actively competing with Boimler for a promotion.
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
@@bthsr7113 That's her Serious Topknot. She uses it when she's being Serious. 😆
@lalywindland5764
@lalywindland5764 8 ай бұрын
True ! She wears her sleeves up on the Cerritos so often, that not even Ransom, who had punished her for them ("roll down your sleeves, this isn't a barn" LOL) doesn't notice them anymore.
@tiacho2893
@tiacho2893 8 ай бұрын
@@lalywindland5764 I think I remember it being mentioned in a show on the SNW/LD crossover. The SNW costumers sewed Newsome's costume with rolled up sleeves to be consistent with LD and Mariner's character.
@ChaosMan50ty
@ChaosMan50ty 8 ай бұрын
One UP for me was T‘Lyn saying that mindmelds are actually quite invasive (don’t remember the exact word), which was a nice callback to T’Pol
@morebaileyskim
@morebaileyskim 8 ай бұрын
I would have laughed in the face of anyone who would have told me that some of my favorite trek (if not actually just my favorite trek) would someday be ST:LD but they just expertly weave threads to have unexpected resolutions, moments of levity exactly where needed etc. and make us care for these characters and believe them so much it is mind blowing. Kudos to everyone working on that show - what a season 🎉 🖖
@keithck3720
@keithck3720 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely. I initially watched to see a funny Trek show and for a good laugh because adult animation . McMahan and his team trojan horsed everyone and have quietly made one of the best Trek series ever.
@lancesmith359
@lancesmith359 8 ай бұрын
You're not very bright apparently
@TheGeek27
@TheGeek27 8 ай бұрын
From what I saw, B’eth won because after she fell on Migleemo, you can see his wing slip from under her and tap out.
@bthsr7113
@bthsr7113 7 ай бұрын
I swear, that man needs to be demoted. His exercises increase patient tension, his lessons are unhelpful, and he can't even trigger an allergic reaction without it backfiring on him.
@bostroff
@bostroff 8 ай бұрын
If Star Trek Legacy ever happens, it would be amazing to have some of the live action Lower Deckers as part of the crew. They’d be senior officers by then.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
Admiral Mariner running cover for Captain Seven _a la_ April in _SNW._ Rendezvous with Captain Boimler of the USS Odyssey (she's an old girl, but she's still a beauty) to go rescue Captain Tendi and Commander Rutherford from a rogue Whale Probe.
@TheKrstff
@TheKrstff 8 ай бұрын
@@GSBarlev My hope is still that Boimler was the captain of the Enterprise F. Ideally with first officer Mariner.
@QuintusAntonious
@QuintusAntonious 8 ай бұрын
I love this idea, especially if Legacy were going to return to the syndicated format of Strange New Worlds. It could be an episode with a bit more comedy similar to Those Old Scientists.
@therealrobertmcdonald
@therealrobertmcdonald 8 ай бұрын
I loved the 18 year old Beckett Freeman at the Academy. Such bright eyes, full of confidence and eagerness. Reminds me of myself at 18.
@gabrieldarcy9067
@gabrieldarcy9067 8 ай бұрын
When they revealed Locarno to be behind all the disappearances, I thought it was a really weird route to go down, but I've gotta say they really thought it out. Loved this episode.
@smackarel7
@smackarel7 8 ай бұрын
When Locarno said 'I really am' when told he wasnt a murderer answers where the starfleet ship came from. He probably tried his trick on that ship but no one took the bait, so he got rid of them.
@philtkaswahl2124
@philtkaswahl2124 8 ай бұрын
Boimler in the captain's seat with a Vulcan in blues, T'Lyn, in the first officer's seat? For one glorious moment, Brad was living a dream.
@Blazingstoke
@Blazingstoke 8 ай бұрын
I figured they'd salvaged the Streamrunner somewhere and fixed it up themselves, given all the red panels on one side. So there _wasn't_ a crew when they got it. *ETA:* I have just learned that the _Passario_ is *not Steamrunner-class at all,* but an all-new class of starship called Sabrerunner, which apparently takes the Steamrunner design and shrinks it down to the size of a Saber-class ship - so about 190 meters long instead of 370 or so. (Source: tweet from LD co-producer Brad Walters)
@jessesinclair4734
@jessesinclair4734 8 ай бұрын
That was also my thought, especially as Mariner called it old.
@Janoha17
@Janoha17 8 ай бұрын
Another casualty of the Dominion War.
@TheAtkey
@TheAtkey 8 ай бұрын
That's what I figured Lacarno or someone from Nova Fleet found her adrift and salvaged her.
@Vectorspace000
@Vectorspace000 8 ай бұрын
Or stole it from a surplus ships yard - after the Dominion war Starfleet must have had hundreds of ships that were in more or less in one piece, but couldn't provide the resource to repair them vs building new better ships.
@TheAtkey
@TheAtkey 8 ай бұрын
@@Vectorspace000 Perhaps the Zakdorn lost another ship?
@cafec42
@cafec42 8 ай бұрын
Aw Seán, I'm so sorry if you've recently lost a pet, that's such a painful thing. They become a little part of our souls, I think. Loved the Ups & Downs, this episode was great. I would never in a million years have guessed Nick Locarno would be our big bad this season, or that he would make such a good counterpoint for Mariner. They did a great job. Acting Captain Boimler made me feel some feels too. And Billups ready to fight for the ships' honour had real shades of Scotty in The Trouble With Tribbles 😆 Looking forward to the Retro Ups & Downs! (and I hope we can still get to Threshold later 😆)
@eriklundstrom1336
@eriklundstrom1336 8 ай бұрын
That last scene of Tendi hardening herself was haunting. I wonder if she’s going to be an antagonist in s5
@Tarv1
@Tarv1 8 ай бұрын
Or D'vana goes hard enough that drives D'erika crazy enough to send her back
@bthsr7113
@bthsr7113 8 ай бұрын
@@Tarv1 That's what my guess is. Either by annoyance or overshadowing her, she's going to make D'Erika regret dragging her back into the fold.
@kylebrooks3683
@kylebrooks3683 8 ай бұрын
Did anyone who worked on Titan AE work on this episode? The hide and seek in the ice rings was -very- evocative of the cat and mouse sequence where Cale and Korso were trying to find the Titan hidden in the ice rings...
@KenLantern
@KenLantern 8 ай бұрын
I also was reminded of titan ae
@RayLiehm
@RayLiehm 8 ай бұрын
A missing Cetacean Observation - the ice rings chase was extremely evocative, almost shot for shot, of the "Ice Rings of Tigrin" chase sequence from animated sci-fi classic "Titan A.E.". Absolutely melted my heart to see that, I've got a very soft spot for Titan.
@DXgaming-dxthelb
@DXgaming-dxthelb 8 ай бұрын
my dilithium up would've gone to the Nick Lorarno line when he finds out the Genesis Device has a paywall. I was in stitches when i heard that!
@abx_yenway
@abx_yenway 8 ай бұрын
It's fascinating that we've had two season finale villains where the hero tries to tell them that they "are better than this", and the villains go "I'm not". In a show where the protagonists are trying to improve and grow, it makes sense that the biggest villains recognize their moral failings and, instead of trying to improve or even justify themselves, are just fine with it.
@Enigmanaut
@Enigmanaut 8 ай бұрын
I have an Up and a Down. Up: The music that was playing over Tendi on the Orion ship walking towards the camera with a wicked smile... it's the music that played in Season 3 when she was pirating the Karemma ship. It's like she's going "Oh, you want Mistress of the Winter Constellations, D'Erica? You'll get Mistress of the Winter Constellations." Down: Where was Ma'ah with the Bird of Prey he recaptured? Why is he not there to take his vengeance on Locarno, and rescue Mariner? Where is his honor?!
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 8 ай бұрын
Ma'ah is probably back in Klingon space, gathering a fleet to take revenge on those petaQs.
@andrewgreeb916
@andrewgreeb916 7 ай бұрын
I was disappointed they just dropped the point, a ship full of first officers of multiple races known to be hostile to eachother working together
@jmarie9997
@jmarie9997 4 ай бұрын
​@@andrewgreeb916 Perhaps they'll become Fenris Rangers.
@Vectorspace000
@Vectorspace000 8 ай бұрын
If this is Tendi leaving permanently, and no longer main cast next season, I will be devastated!
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
I don't think she is-Mike McMahon said Season 5 would feature more Orion, so we'll likely just be getting a Boimler-on-the-Titan arc-but _imagine for a second_ that the reason she's leaving _LDS_ is either: 1. To join the cast of _Prodigy_ for Season 3 as Rok-Tahk's mentor, or 2. To join _Legacy_ *in live-action* as Seven's XO
@Vectorspace000
@Vectorspace000 8 ай бұрын
@GSBarlev it would also be a very cruel thing to do to us to have T'Lyn express a desire to be Tendi's science bestie, just before Tendi leaves for good. So I agree I think she will be back, but I can't help but worry that she won't be.
@jeremydale4548
@jeremydale4548 8 ай бұрын
@@GSBarlev Actually, Raffi is Seven's XO. So that spot's filled. Science officer though is still open
@rmdodsonbills
@rmdodsonbills 8 ай бұрын
I think the best line in the whole Starfleet v. Orion scene was Capt. Freeman trying to negotiate and D'Vana says "Sorry, Captain, you have no authority here." Billups rolling up his sleeves to defend the honor of the Cerritos is very, as Kayshon might say, Scotty in the bar on K-7.
@HawgPyle
@HawgPyle 8 ай бұрын
One of my favorite things about this show...I like that they've fleshed out the Orions more.
@tovirus9818
@tovirus9818 8 ай бұрын
When my wife and I did a roadtrip along the westcoast a few years back I snuck in some filming locations on our tour plan 😁 Vazquez rocks and the Donald C. Tillman water reclamation plant were of cause included 😅
@heatherfyffe3618
@heatherfyffe3618 8 ай бұрын
What's with the "temporal observations" interruptions in the closing music for cetacean observations? And I noticed a couple moments in the regular ups and downs where a cetacean swims by, behing Sean but in front of the 'video screen'. Does that usually happen and I've never noticed before? Either way... weird. As for the episode, I loved every little bit of the TWOK tribute. I think I noticed the music first, in fact, and then realized the visual similarity. And then when the genesis device exploded, the super subtle way the genesis wave expanded outwards... just like in the movie and so beautifully done.
@Hans-Yolo
@Hans-Yolo 8 ай бұрын
I am asking myself the same, it was also in previous Ups&downs i think but only starting in this season i guess
@jayb8934
@jayb8934 8 ай бұрын
I love how Freeman is just like, “why does this work?!” with the Twaining. 😂
@MysticJhn
@MysticJhn 8 ай бұрын
This episode made me legit excited to see Season 5. The look Tendi gives the camera at the last scene, along with the music, lets you know there's a lot of good story about to happen. We can assume Tendi will probably find her way back to Starfleet, but how she goes about it leaves you to wonder. Will we see The Mistress of the Winter Constellations be the Season 5 "villain"?
@ArcangelOrtiz
@ArcangelOrtiz 8 ай бұрын
I was coming on to make a comment about that look. Tendi had a very serious look about her in that last scene. Perhaps a bit of foreboding?
@Janoha17
@Janoha17 8 ай бұрын
I get the sense we'll be seeing another Battle in the Center of the Mind before the end.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
Remember the Admiral saying, "About your officer..." I think _The Cleaner_ has been *activated* for a secret assignment on Orion. Explicitly: I think D'Vana knew how D'Erika would react to their request and _Bre'r Rabbited_ her sister.
@kobochaos
@kobochaos 7 ай бұрын
Then we get to see the other mistresses of the seasonal constellations
@RatedRKO269
@RatedRKO269 8 ай бұрын
Sean’s love of starships is adorable and I completely get it. Looove nice starship designs. Great episode and season overall. T’Lyn is my MVP for the season. Such an awesome character and I’m glad she’s sticking around.
@Denflexi
@Denflexi 8 ай бұрын
The connection between Sito and Mariner as contrived or not is still up to debate, but having given it a week to mature in my mind and another episode to lead off of it, I think it could be useful in exploring both characters. After the events of "The Last Duty", Sito had to spend two years rebuilding her reputation from the ground up, to the point where in "Lower Decks" she was a respected ensign on the Enterprise (not without the help from some senior officers, especially when it came to her own self-respect). Throughout the series Mariner has had to take that journey herself, at the most extreme point in "Trusted Sources" having nearly the entire ship vilify her due to her past actions catching up with her (even if the inciting incident was a misconceived assumption). Through Mariner we see how hard Sito must have worked to get where she did before her death, and through Sito we see just how big of a fall Mariner must have taken to work her way to this point. Just as Tom Paris and Locarno are reflections of each other in ego and humility, Sito and Mariner mirror each other in their journeys.
@Janoha17
@Janoha17 8 ай бұрын
And then when Freeman declared that she would be defying Starfleet's orders to rescue Mariner, the entire crew was on board.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
So I no longer feel like the Sito connection was contrived. I've come full circle and think it was actually a really fitting way to connect the legacy of that character. But what does earn a _down_ from me is that in "Lower Decks" (the episode), Sito makes a _big point_ about having *no friends* for her last two years at the academy, to the point that her instructor had to be her partner for a flight exam because no one else would team up with her. And: 1. There's no way based on what we know about Mariner that she wouldn't have been there for Jaxa. 2. If Mariner _had_ caved to peer pressure and shunned her former idol, then that would have been a _whole 'nuther kind of guilt_ that Mariner would have been unpacking.
@mudman619
@mudman619 8 ай бұрын
I was never convinced Sito was actually dead. Until it's confirmed without a doubt, my head canon says the Cardassians faked the explosion & sent her off to some horrible detention camp, after interrogating her ruthlessly. So she's alive somewhere, broken. Which is sadder than her dying.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
@@mudman619 This was actually the original premise for what would later become the DS9 episode "Hard Time."
@andybiz4273
@andybiz4273 8 ай бұрын
Loved the "Titan A.E." feels from the ice asteroids!
@jamesboucher5964
@jamesboucher5964 8 ай бұрын
Me too.
@EsotericBibleSecrets
@EsotericBibleSecrets 7 ай бұрын
I really like that it was Nick specifically trying to recruit all the "lower decks" members of the various ships into his ambitious rebellion. That scene induced a moment of Catharsis as it captured the essence of the whole theme of the series. It was a "lower decks" problem that was mostly solved with "lower decks" crewmen, despite being as big as it was.
@Indium111
@Indium111 8 ай бұрын
This was, yet another, fantastic season of Lower Decks. Ten episodes just doesn't seem like enough. BTW, awesome Tom Paris plate there!
@TitanicTruths
@TitanicTruths 8 ай бұрын
Probably my only down. Is that Tom Paris and Nick Lacarno never meet face to face. So many jokes missed
@thecunninlynguist
@thecunninlynguist 8 ай бұрын
especially when he talked about being the best pilot. I so wanted to see them face off!
@tiegepike6076
@tiegepike6076 8 ай бұрын
Trilithium down for you Sean and crew at Trekculture. I am happy that you have never struggled and had those struggles become self destructive and hurt those around you.
@JohnPeacekeeper
@JohnPeacekeeper 8 ай бұрын
I like that T'lyn has basically embraced "the logical solution to crazy is to throw in crazy that we know works" at this point
@VandalAudi
@VandalAudi 8 ай бұрын
I meeeeean, that is basically how every progress was made.
@jamesfoster9613
@jamesfoster9613 8 ай бұрын
*takes a giant eraser to the Sito down from s4e9* Ah there we go. Also an up go when Nick says, "ah yes the Romulans are so forgiving..." (Paraphrased)
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
I agree with erasing the Sito down, but we gotta put it right back, because Sito told Picard point-blank that there wasn't *a single person* at the academy those last two years who didn't actively shun her.
@anna-flora999
@anna-flora999 8 ай бұрын
​@@GSBarlevwas that before or after she helped cover up a death?
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
@@anna-flora999 Don't be a jerk. Sito was emotionally manipulated into making a tragic mistake.
@anna-flora999
@anna-flora999 8 ай бұрын
@@GSBarlev a tragic mistake which was covering up the death of a classmate. And it doesn't answer my question, because if she said that afterwards, it doesn't compromise Canon. It would make sense that mariner wasn't as enthusiastic about sito for a while afterwards and that they only got along again after sito recovered from the trauma to some extent
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev 8 ай бұрын
@@anna-flora999 She told Picard that after the incident, she was completely shunned by her classmates. If Beckett had at any point shunned Jaxa, she would be carrying around a whole separate set of baggage about that.
@thecunninlynguist
@thecunninlynguist 8 ай бұрын
fantastic finale. I was 😂😂😂 at the pay to win bomb. Poor misguided Not Tom Paris. Speaking of which, the opening talking about Nick/Tom between Boimler and Rutherford was classic.
@oracle478
@oracle478 8 ай бұрын
Tom and Nick are the same person I don't care what nobody says 😡, I really wish they would have come up with some way to connect the two instead of just a throw away couple of lines.
@adrianvanleeuwen
@adrianvanleeuwen 8 ай бұрын
The way these characters are developed so well in Lower Decks, gives them real life characteristics, almost feels like I am watching a live action series with deep storytelling. Great work on Lower Deck by writers and animators!
@bthsr7113
@bthsr7113 7 ай бұрын
Animation is no lesser a storytelling medium if the creators put in the work.
@desertdarlene
@desertdarlene 8 ай бұрын
I loved that Boimler got to be the acting captain. He did so well, too!
@domianfreimann9487
@domianfreimann9487 8 ай бұрын
the ice rings and Mariner playing hide and seek in them could be seen as a nice bow to Titan A.E. To be honest, I expected her the whole time to set off the device inside the ice field.
@Mark_o_Helm
@Mark_o_Helm 8 ай бұрын
The chase through the ice ring is similar to a scene in Titan A.E. Wich also had a mashine to create a planet. Though much bigger than the Genesis device. 😁
@alanrogers7090
@alanrogers7090 8 ай бұрын
When you showed Mariner's escape, there was a scene where her ship passed some ice crystals. The huge one at the top left of the screen looked all the world like a T-65 X-Wing from Star Wars. Brilliant!
@NappyBuffalo
@NappyBuffalo 8 ай бұрын
I agree with Sean's take on this episode. He hit the nail on the head with his assessment. The only problem that I have is that for all the love he had about this episode, he doubled down on his on the Sito Jaxa "name drop". I respect his opinion, but I stand by all the issues I brought up last week in the comments. I actually feel that his thoughts last week that Sito's name was just thrown in there are totally contradicted in his comments in this week's Ups and Downs. It was revealed Sito was a solid part of the of the two part story plot and really did appear to be part of a plan by the writers. Like I said, while I respectfully disagree some of his critiques, I still enjoy his his Ups and Downs. I look forward to it just as much as the episodes themselves. Keep the conversation going, Sean!
@BrysonSyliboy
@BrysonSyliboy 8 ай бұрын
I’m not sure if anyone mentioned this. But the Orion ship crashing into the shields was very reminiscent of voyager crashing into the time ship in year of hell.
@marcbraun5342
@marcbraun5342 8 ай бұрын
From all the season finals this is my favorite one so far, it was just a ride of everything good in Lower Decks. I laughed so hard when Freeman said "why is this keep working?" even better when this came from T'Lyn this time, the Tom Paris comparission, the stakes with the Genesis Device, or GD which of course wants Latinum to be disarmed, and Tendi, that this became a poor man's Wrath of Khan in the end when the Cerritos is basically the poor man's Enterprise, it just came together so well. The season finale was never the best episode of the season for me by far but this one's at least up there. Now we have to wait again...
@cartoonkelly7924
@cartoonkelly7924 8 ай бұрын
The pay wall on the genesis device is the most Ferengi thing to ever Ferengi and I kinda love it.
@WhereisWaldo
@WhereisWaldo 8 ай бұрын
I feel like there was an indication of something they'll do in season 5 in this episode. When the Star Fleet Admiral says to Capt. Freeman something about how they needed to "Talk about your lieutenant", I assumed he meant Tendi. Then, given Tendi's reaction at the end of the scene on the Orion ship and how excited and determined she seems, I think they're inserting her as a covert operative on Orion. To do what, who knows! But more Orions please! Or anyway, that would be a cool storyline.
@qualus
@qualus 8 ай бұрын
This episode was a freaky time loop for me: I've been guiding a friend to Star Trek, and we've been watching the entire saga in chronological order (not production, but stardate-wise), and we JUST watched First Duty the previous night. It was a freaky feeling going back to those events but several decades later in just one day!
@stevenrais9360
@stevenrais9360 8 ай бұрын
Is it bad that I immediately said aloud, "Up" right after "Tendi 2?"
@ricguerrero362
@ricguerrero362 8 ай бұрын
What a great season finale. I agree that it’s quite possibly the strongest Lower Decks season finale yet. Kudos to the entire team at Trek Culture for all of the great content. Keep up the awesome work.
@scythemouse
@scythemouse 8 ай бұрын
PADDlock Let's not forget that the last Orion ship is evocative of the one from The Animated Series. Come to think of it, the Retribution looks a lot like one of Enterprise's Spatial Torpedoes.
@Thought_Processing_
@Thought_Processing_ 8 ай бұрын
I am beginning to think that Tendi might be Star Treks version of John Wick. Think about it she is a terrifying badass in Orion criminal circles and she got out to be with her true love (science). And she has just been brought back into the syndicate partially against her will.
@albertmerkel5624
@albertmerkel5624 8 ай бұрын
A lot of people are mentioning that the ice scene was from Titan AE... Maybe but I actually think its a reference to the DS9 episode Treachery, Faith and the Great River season 7 ep 6. Its pretty similar to what odo did in that episode. Maybe also titan AE but definitely that DS9 episode.
@padoco73
@padoco73 8 ай бұрын
My dog, Phlox, likes watching your content too. She hears your voice and then stares at the screen. I just gave her an extra hug for you.
@TaiBlaine
@TaiBlaine 8 ай бұрын
Did absolutley noone realizes, that the whole scene with Mariner flying into the icecrystals, is an almost exact recreation of the movie "Titan A.E."? She even turns the power off to hide between these crystals like they did in the movie. 😱
@benjackson8731
@benjackson8731 7 ай бұрын
yeah i thought the same as well. along with said ice crystals becoming a new planet later on
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