*correction:* _SPACE_ paper

Nah it doesn't have those holographic/foil edges like the pictures in Captain Picard's photo album.

Honestly, paper feels like one of those things that will forever be useful, even 500 years in the future. Afterall: * Paper doesn't need to be charged up * You don't need an internet connection to access data on paper * Data on paper loads instantly (no need to worry about buffering or preloading) * You don't need to worry about the data on paper being corrupted * And even if the info on paper is "corrupted" (eg bookworm eating a few words) it doesn't affect the rest of the data on the same paper * your data on paper remains safe while transmitting it to someone else via snail mail * there are essentially no keyloggers for paper and thus practically no one can know what you've written * And best of all, no one can hack paper! Once it's written down you can trust that it's the same info even 50 years later A side benefit too is that, because of these security features of paper, you don't need to worry about encrypting the data via say RSA or AES. THIS is why paper is still used by Starfleet! And definitely not because the movie was made on 1991 and they didn't have the movie special effects technology to replicate computer graphics on a large whiteboard-esque screen. 😋

Been a while since I’ve laughed THAT hard.

😂😂😂

+Graham Kennedy I can see that, to many "digital" leaks, so they print shit again lol.

ramairgto72 And then the Klingons hack their printer networks! Disaster!

+Graham Kennedy Think it would be like how China hack the US, the printed docs will come out in Klingon lol?

+Graham Kennedy When they killed all the lawyers in the aftermath of WW III, they also killed PowerPoint. No one cared.

hdhale2 Don't forget the "news people", they might be the start of WWIII..

"That's not the first pole she's been on" -Bill Corbett

Wonder if Kim Cattrall had to go through some firefighting training to slide down that pole LOL

Holy shit, it is Kim Cattrall

And she bumps on the wall - and it shakes. These corridors were made of styrofoam.

The torpedo bay looks a lot like the corridor sets from Buck Rogers.

First time I saw this movie was on tv all were this except for the creepy mind meld scene to the conspirators.

I had that VHS in the 90s too.

I had the Video CD (Philips CDi) version of TUC. And yea, it was the same Director's Cut, minus the conspirators' faces.

Same here. I prefer the DC except the conspirator flashback. It breaks up that one shot of Spock interrogating which, when uncut, adds to the discomfort and drama of a “violation for the greater good”

The 90s cut is what I grew up with too, outside of seeing it in the theatre in 91. Never seen the DVD version, and have been suffering with the theatrical Blu-ray for so long, I'd forgotten just what was lost

BoredomCorner only thing I didn't like with the directors cut

I have a slightly different version of the Director's Cut on Laserdisc. It doesn't have the inserts. The scene stays mostly focused on Spock and Valeris.

Yeah that was unnecessary. And it actually blocks you from hearing Annulus' name.

The seem un-necessary. I need to re-watch the copy of the six movies I bought in a blu-ray package from Wal Mart. Pretty sure its the directors cut but this is the first time I've seen those cut scenes. Everything else I remember.

The VHS version I had has all of the Director's Cut scenes seen here in this youtube video except all these jarring and unnecessary insets. Weird.

+supergeorge3333 Damn, well spotted.

+seahawk124 The door screamed Ten Forward

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

The dining room at 5:30 where scotty was looking at the enterprise schematics is the conference room on the Enterprise D

I hadn't spotted that one, it looks like it's been heavily redressed for the movie. In Star Trek V they use the enterprise D corridors and I think the transport room as well for the Enterprise A

maximumhate666 hahaha

Odo just took his appearance from some random starfleet guy he found in historical archives

oh well hello major grin :)

Do not trust Annorax either.

Or Thrax, Odo's predecessor on Terok Nor also played by Kurtwood Smith.

what i'd like to see is an edit of the gorkon assassination with the blood changed to red. just to see what an r-rated trek film is like.

I prefer the director's cut as it shows more of Rene Auberjonois (before later playing Odo in DS9).

I do as well-except during the mind meld. It was overkill to show the characters’ images as she revealed them. I seem to remember a version that I bought years ago that was the director’s cut without that stuff. Weird.

@Jonathan Parks Same as my LaserDisc of it basically had all the added scenes without the changes.

Wolf There are three versions of the film; The theatrical version, the first home release and the Director’s Cut. The only difference between the longer first home release and the Director’s Cut are a few changed around shots and the flashes during the mind-meld-sequence. Otherwise they have the same content.

@@symonpup Same, I had the VHS which didn't have that but does have a lot of other things from the director's cut.

+Wil Rodriguez It did come across that way didn't it.

That, or a disguised shapeshifter Founder from the dominion, meddling in Alpha Quadrant politics about a century too early ...

he was one of the hundred that were sent to far corners of the galaxy centuries ago

This WAS in the theater. I remember seeing it at the time and turning to a friend and saying, "I knew Clayton (from Benson) was a crook!"

Exactly what I thought too. Ripping the mask off that way was rather Scooby-dooish.

maybe the plan involved going through Romulan space and so they needed the Romulan permission for this plan, which they gave since they wanted a war between the Federation and Klingons

Khitomer is on the Romulan border, it makes sense they'd keep the Romulans in the loop.

I always got the idea that Nanclus has been on extremely good terms with the President. I think the President had hoped by buddying up to Nanclus, he could be the one to break the Neutral Zone and bring peace between the Federation and Romulans. I mean, hell, Nanclus even being on Earth was a pretty big deal.

The 1999 dvd release has all the scenes minus the gongs lol

@@Snob888 Nanclus was from the Tal Shiar.

I agree

I think it made it better

They'd be fine if it weren't for the stupid sound effect. That's unforgivable.

"Admiral Cartwright" Who? **Shrong** Ohhh, the black guy!

BarryDennen12, the flip chart was appalling though...

You're forgetting the (implied) grandson.

oh along with kurtwood smith calling everyone a dumb ass and wanting to put his foot up everyones ass :)

And Colonel Worf, Lietenant Worf's grandfather. This is canon information as well.

+AJ West Glad you liked it

+AJ West I was going to post that, I love this work!

TrekkieC: Yes, this took a lot of work, but this was a wonderful comparison. You've helped our Community greatly !!!

Than you would probably prefer the VHS/Laserdisc version which is almost identical to the DVD Director's cut, but without the flashbacks

@Josh Beane I know what you mean. The VHS version was the version I was growing up with and when I've seen the theatrical version for the first time, it felt incomplete. It still does, actually.

TrekkieChannel Wasn’t the same cut (from the VHS and LaserDisc) released on the very first DVD of the film? At least that’s what I’ve read.

It has many good additions, but I could never get past the assassin being a colonel in a simple klingon mask. They were right to cut that.

@@brnardm9273 I'm fairly certain that reveal was in the version I saw at the Cannon cinema when this film was released though I might be wrong.

That’s what the movie was made to mirror. The fall of the Soviet Union and end to the Cold War.

I didn't understand why he was there.

Despite my love of Enterprise, never liked how Archer escaped from the Klingon prison planet, and with ease, when in Star Trek 6, it is stated that no one has every escaped from there yet in Enterprise Archer did, and Kirk had to go through so much for escape when Archer didn't. That episode of Enterprise really bugged me just like the episode "Minefield". But other than that, I really liked Enterprise.

Enterprise was a big mess of contradictions.

In fact, the only episodes that contradicted established continuity were Judgment and Minefield. The rest actually did a good job, some like Affliction and Divergence actually corrected continuity mistakes from other Star Trek shows. Now Discovery is the one that's a big mess.

Jero Briggs Acquisition was a bad one for continuity/canon as well, they lost all data on the Ferengi until TNG. Regeneration too. I guess Starfleet just lost all interior and exterior sensor data and medical treatment for assilimation between 2151 and "Q Who".

I've never known ST6 to _not_ have those scenes... yet I've only recently (well, relatively) seen the flashback-laced interrogation scene and knew it was an interesting choice but ultimately didn't care for it. So yeah, if the vid is accurate, it definitely sounds like there's more than just Theatrical/Directors versions out there. That's a neat thing to find out. :)

Those flashbacks were jarring to say the least and completely unneccesary. Not sure why Nick Meyer added them but it was his flick so whatever.

Agreed...the flashbacks are just for viewers who couldn't remember the characters. I didn't need them as a kid...my attention span was fine...unlike the kids of today. Stupid addition in an otherwise superior cut.

The flashbacks aren't really the problem it's the music that goes along with them.

I also owned the VHS version growing up.

I'm so glad they changed it, I would have hated for Saavik to become a villain.

Same here. Meyer wanted the character to be Saavik, but Roddenberry forcefully overruled him. Such a shame. Imagine Kirstie Alley's half-Romulan Saavik in that scene; she would have had a true motive for wanting the Klingons destroyed - straight up vengeance - because of her feelings for David, and could have angrily thrown that in Kirk's face for added impact. It's still a good scene, but alas, it could have been a great one had Meyer gotten his way. Also, RIP Kirstie Alley.

Correct. I have it too, unfortunately I have no way how to digitize VHS anymore, otherwise I'd do a video comparing the VHS and DVD releases.

Philip Drury I remember it too, think maybe it was just in the US that they didn't have it.

Always wondered if different countries get different versions when a movie is first released to theaters.

+Chris Haywood Not too certain but I believe that was done to intimate that the Klingons had done some altering to the audio recording played at the trial.

I didn't like the trial in one respect: Kirk didn't get a chance to present a defense, even if witnesses and evidence were denied him, he should have had a chance to give a speech (of whatever nature). They claim on Fandom sites that Klingon justice has the prosecution and defense done simultaneously, but it was Chang's narrative that maintains the initiative. A guy with Russian characters for his name in comments under a clip of the trial said Kirk got a fair trial! I told him, sure, Brittney Griner did too!

I had that VHS too. "3 minutes of never before seen footage!"

I second that. This scene was in the US theatrical release. I saw it in the theater as well. It was a memorable line 🙂

You're welcome

I prefer the DC's of TMP & TWOK. Every other movie should be the theatrical cut IMO.

Really? That's funny? Easily a throwaway scene with throwaway dialogue.

@@ebinrock Not a throwaway. Without it there's no context to Colonel West's unmasking at the end.

Maybe he just had a really runny nose.

There's also the matter of this being the only instance of Klingon's having "Pepto Bismol" blood (and even identifying the assassin by his lack thereof).

Can I ask in which country have you seen it?

I remember seeing the film and it was just like the director's cut in the theatre.

It was right here in the USA.

Something tells me there had to be some technology in those glasses, like maybe electronic zoom lenses in them (heck, that's what I'd want if I were that far away).

The cut you refer to was released on LD and VHS, the original American theatrical version was released for the first time on the Blu-ray. The DVD features a 3rd version.

@@TrekkieChannel I only remember these OG cast movies from the vhs box set I watched a million times as a kid. I had no idea the whole rescue plan scene wasn't in the theatrical release. It always struck me as a pretty important scene.

OnTheRocks The short version of the long story - Roddenberry was only a "consultant" on the movies after the first one. He didn't like the more militaristic scenes so he requested to remove them from the script. Nicholas Meyer, the writer / director ignored it and shot them anyway. When they have shown the first cut to Roddenberry he was shocked the scenes are there and requested to be immediately removed. Meyer didn't want to remove them, and they got into a furious argument, which Roddenberry ended with him going to his lawyer. A few days later he died. Meyer was shocked, even now decades later he seems to be sorry for escalating it a few days before his death when he talks about it, so he immediately removed the scenes for the version which was released in theatres. However when it was time for the laserdisc and VHS release, he put the scenes back in, this is the version which I was growing up with. When they wanted to release all of the movies on Blu-ray for the first time to promote the 2009 movie, they have decided to release the theatrical cuts of all movies, which means the first and the sixth got their first home video release in their theatrical forms

damn I never heard about this story and didn't know Gene opposed to the militaristic approach that much. I wonder what he would think about "star trek discovery"

@@TrekkieChannel and the big 50th anniversary box set with the 6 movies, the original series, and the animated series, do they have the Theatrical cut, the 'laserdisc/VHS' cut, or the 'director's cut' with the crappy Mind meld scene ?

I hope they do both TUC and TMP

They should on TMP too, especially on TMP.

Would be great!

They did

@The Dave and Dave Show live When?

Correct

Yep

And the Enterprise engineering set is just the TNG engineering set. Consider it payback for all the sets, props, costumes and ship models from the movies that got reused on TNG. TNG itself would later borrow from the subsequent series. The sickbay set in "First Contact", for instance, is clearly just the Voyager sickbay (complete with the same holographic doctor), but just lit differently.

I live in a country where laserdiscs were never "a thing" but the same version was released here on VHS.Also without any warning

Mine too.

I saw it in St Petersburg FL the day it came out, and I recall the scene not being there. My memory may be colored by a VHS version I saw later. It's on the DVD I have now, and it always strikes me as new material. It doesn't make sense, though, because they wouldn't discuss this illegal suggestion in front of the Romulan ambassador.

Honestly the Ambassador being there seems like new material (when I saw the scene I didn't remember him ever being there), but I also could be coloured by getting the movie on VHS. Both had been so long ago.

Yes, all home video releases before the 2009 bluray set were the director cuts

The VHS release was mostly the same as the director's cut except for the showing people's faces during the mind meld.

Some people claim that they've seen it in theatres, but none of them gave any proof of this. They were included in the VHS (which is a slightly different version than the DVD) and in all TV broadcasts I've seen, but the "official" theatrical version was released only on Blu-ray

James Oxford I also seem to recall some of the missing scenes being in theater when the film came out. However, I had this on VHS and watched it probably 50 times. Wondering if I'm remembering wrong. I own the bluray "theatrical" version and sure enough some of the scenes I lived aren't in it. I liked the unmasking at the end and the flip chart. Btw I think Netflix shows the directors cut version.

My parents never would have sought out a director's cut. The off the shelf VHS release had ALL of these deleted scenes (except those weird flashbacks during the mind meld). I am positive. I don't recall if it was the same for the theatrical version, since I only saw it once and the vhs I don't even know how many times.

The torpedo error scene and Col West scene were both in theaters.

TrekkieChannel huh that's odd because I remember that scene in theatres too. Granted, I was 11 so that could be me misremembering things, but I remembered that chronometers line. I've always heard it was cut and being confused, but regardless, I wonder why they cut it, without it the unmasking at the end makes no sense. *watches rest of video* wait that was a deleted scene too??? I'll just go with 'I saw the vhs far too much and it skewed my memory. I know for a fact that I've never seen that mind meld scene with the faces added in, that's just silly.

Just the same actor. Rene Auberjonois also played a different character on Enterprise

Thanks :-)

Yeah, not entirely sure why Colonel West was disguised as a Klingon since Klingons and members of the Federation were conspiring together to assassinate the president anyway.

@@AndrewChapman Probably because like any conspiracy between active antagonist states, there was probably some backstabbings planned. Either that, or it went "Well, we've already assassinated the Chancellor with Federation troops, the President has to be seen as assassinated by a Klingon in retaliation, otherwise, it'll raise too many questions." Notwithstanding that even with the Klingons' complicated relationship between their honor and their desire for conquest, shooting an adversary without an adequate chance for self-defense just ain't kosher for them.

@@eddievhfan1984 That's a good point.

The plan was to make it look like the Klingon Empire ordered the assassination of the President of the Federation. So he made himself look like a Klingon in order to fool anyone who'd see the assassin.

As other people claim there's a chance that some theatre chains have received an alternate cut

Interesting. I rented the movie from iTunes last night, which claimed that it was the original theatrical cut, but the scenes with Rene Auberjenois' over-the-top character were not there. I remember him in the original cut, when I saw it in the theater in 1991, in the meeting room scene. But the last scene were it is revealed that he was the attempting assassin at the summit, that scene was not there originally. In fact, when Kirk tackles the Klingon that was going to shoot Valeris at the summit, you can tell Kirk is about to remove his mask,. But that's were it's cut. So originally, it WAS a Klingon, and not Auberjonois' character. Hopefully Paramount will one day give this film the TWOK treatment, that came out a couple of weeks ago, and release a Director's Cut with every version ever released. I'd buy it.

They were on the VHS too, I had it as a kid.

That was Scotty that did the tackling.

+TrekkieChannel I KNEW I saw these scenes in the cinema (back in Nottingham) but I thought I was going mad because on video and DVD the last scene where Colonel West gets revealed as the assassin wasn't there!

Oh yes. TNG was actually shot on what were originally the movie sets, so for the last 2 TOS movies they had to reuse the new TNG sets

Yes. The original Directors Cut version came out when the film was first released on VHS. The version I had was an addition to the 5 film box set that formed a picture of the forward view of the Enterprise (just search "star trek movie vhs" and you'll easily find images of it). It specified that it was the "Directors Cut" on the front of the box. Even though I saw the theatrical version in the theaters, I grew up watching that VHS director's cut version, so it's my preferred version of the film. The only *major* difference between the old VHS version and the DVD director's cut is the inclusion of the conspirators in the interrogation scene. I have no idea if the theatrical version was even available until the Blu Ray was released.

Not according to "uncle google"

Me too :) The first time I have seen it was the VHS version, which was later shown many times on TV here. Now however they show only the theatrical cut, probably because it's the only cut available in HD, and it just feels "incomplete"

@@TrekkieChannel Sure does. I don't know if they will ever release the director's cut on Blu-ray, but I hope they will as they released the director's cut of II on Blu-ray. I can understand TMP director's cut not being released on Blu-ray because of how they did the new effects in 2001.

@@TrekkieChannel which verison is in the 50th boxed set?

@@aaronrus If you mean Blu-ray, I imagine it would be the theatrical version.

@@aaronrus All of the movie Blu-rays contain only the theatrical cuts of the movies. The only exception are the 2 2016 releases of Star Trek II, the 2016 releases contains the theatrical cut AND a brand new cut. One of the 2016 releases was a standalone release, the second one was part of the 50th anniversary boxset.

All the theatrical cut Blu-rays had altered color palette, the DVDs have the original colours

And a chandelier

From what I've read it's actually a 4th version of the movie, different from the Director's cut DVD

Awesome! Thank you!

Wow, I forgot about that! I only saw it in the theater once, and every time since then has been on VHS.

Yeah, the clanging with black-and-white!

Agreed - felt like something out of a sitcom - and it also ruined the music in the background which plays into the whole mental rape that Spock is basically undergoing.

I just watched it because of your comment... Ugh! You're right, that was truly awful.

Mind-melds should always be played off-screen like Sarek with Kirk in Search for Spock another moving scene.

TheMksteel - no way. From a story standpoint this was a major move from the way mind melds were normally shown. How willing Spock is to fight for peace is also fairly disturbing when you consider what he did. This scene was awesome.

It's possible.

TrekkieChannel interesting. Even the colonel west scooby doo unmaskiong I swear was in the theatrical release when I saw it.

Can I ask in which country have you seen it?

It was the UK back in 1991/2

TrekkieChannel It was the UK back in 1991/2 I may very well be wrong.

It's pretty amusing they would include him in military planning