The ANC is a large organization, I don't think he had that much pull in the party

He talks as if he didn't know what was happening in the government that he served in goodness me how on earth didn't he and cyril knew what was happening under there buggg noses.Bull%$$#.

@markwinter7511. On the button friend. I had a bit of a giggle when I read the heading "leaders out of touch." Ntaturally our prior "worldwide esteemed" Finance Minister was not at all OUT OF TOUCH" When that infamous ARMS DEAL rot occurred....UNDER HIS WATCH. . Humanity may well understand the "price" one day. Of terribly short and "selective" memories.

Trevor Manuel is just a banking stooge, he may as well be married to one like Musi Mayemane. Liberation movement my arse.

And he blames things on the "inherited system". They've sure had enough time to improve things rather than just trash them

THEY Started the CAPE FLATS..Mitchells Plain..Gooi All die Colourds onder die Bus.Western Cape University Students.. At 1988 so Brainwashed with Appartheid.

Zero respect

100% spot on. He does come across as the moral custodian of society....

Ag shame!!!!!! BS!!!

you mean retired...RICH

Trevor did not “retire”, he was merely paid to step out of the limelight - and to cause havoc behind the scenes.

😂😂

By stealing money.

Correction it is in Mouille Point - and before he says it was from his salary at Old Mutual and his wife from ABSA, he purchase was too soon after he left government to make that size of purchase at the time - 3 bedrooms on the platinum mile 🤷🏼‍♂️

And his wife???

What happend to his fiŕst wife?

his wife couldn't trust manuel. why should we?

He and Mbeki was the only politicians who grew the economy, something you cannot deny. Zuma and Ramaphosa leadership are the problem.

@@shanaazcloete8531Grew the economy from the fat left by the Nationalist government and then under their 'WATCH' R trillions were corrupted and mismanaged e.g., the Arms misdeal, Sarafina, continuous visits to Dubai to 'inspect' cranes, of all things etc. etc.?

​@@shanaazcloete8531Trevor Manuel belonged to the IDF. He and Pravin planned the destruction. He is a criminal.

This country is in a mess and made like that by those in charge. They had the opportunity to make this country better than it was in apartheid but they took on the same mentality. The effects of apartheid can not be pushed to the side, but they could've taken a better direction, but they didn't. The government only cares about a minority being those in their circles just like the apartheid government. In a way, we have not become better. The apartheid government had the power to muzzle people violently, where the ANC does not have that power. The majority of this country has not had adequate leaders from the get-go. We are still in apartheid, only the leaders have just changed. Those who have benefited from apartheid are still benefiting.

Of course

Exactly. He did and said nothing.

I am literally shocked how selective your memory really is. Its ine thing blaming the ANC for allowing a rot to set in that has created untold hardships. It is a fact that under him we had better growth than in the latter parts of Apartheid tragically it was jobless growth. So money was not spend as promised to grow the economy but to line shareholders and their executives pockets. He and Mbeki allowed South African enabled corporates to do foreign listings, dismantled economic protective measures which any other socalled western country still have in place. Your eagerness to bludgeon a black government for any problem in the country makes you blind to see and acknowledge finer differences. I for example would criticise them for not having the guts to push through a more change not transformation orientated economic reality and which subsequently allow these ravenous crooks to capture the state. I would in my crotoque include the role private sector and their organisrd networks had played in this sordid saga. Too often they are not fingered in the mess we are having. Some virtue signallers and hypocrites with the worst double standards we are. Mr. Manuel and former president Thabo Mbeki were qouted as being disillusioned by the fact that their enthusiasm to deliver a far more laissez faire neoliberal enabling business environment the consequence of secret economic negotiations during Codesa were not met with an equally enthusiastoc FDI in flow and more disturbing a gla4ing lack of domestic reinvestment of earned capital here in skills and jobcreating business ventures. This all while prioritising the paying off of debt the largest which was Apartheid debt to internal creditors who proped up the Apartheid regime. So, please the day you can be honest, transparent and sincere in your judgement the country would move in the rihht direction. Take off the racialised blinkers and have a degree of objevtivity that is solution focused that factors in all South Africans as a priority. The curernt trend of simply blaming the ANC led goverent for all problems is of no use and people are not stupid because they know. The levels of destitution cretaed by poverty, unemployment and inequality is an extremely dangerous powederkeg which need spund minds and hearts in the right places for the people of South Africa not racists diatribes. We will all be negatively affected if a spontaneous revolt break out while we are busy virtue signalling.

Please improve spelling and then try again

​@@herbertduplessis8967Lol, why am I not surprised? No substantive response to the issues I have raised! I am quite correct in my reading of you. Instead of taking me on on the issues I raise you try and dismiss me for some insignificant typos which if read correctly do not detract from the argument I am making. But such are grammar Nazis when they do not have any valid argument to start with. Any case if it may be of any assistance my eyes are not too good when writing anything on the mobile phone. But no excuse. Therr is however one that needs to try harder and that is you. In fact yours was an inappropriate or rather irrelevant reaponse. Cognitive dissonance me thinketh!!! So please, enlighten me with your wisdom Spellchecker!!

Yawn

Him included

Prime Andrew, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton to name a few, but it depends how you define touching the people 🤔

Also yes, his name was Marcus Aurelius.

They have and it's called Mas...........terbating

Yes Neil de Beer of the UIM

Wow, I had the same experience and I actually interacted with this guy many times in the past. Hubris and untouchability, perhaps, hallmarks of an association with the oligarchic Rothschilds and the previous glory of the now disgraced and utter embarrassingly failing ANC.

Most of them are like that, when they are in front of the cameras they lift up unclean babies belong to the abject poor parents hugs the shabby looking members of the communities, so on and so on, but when they are alone out of the cameras they become the real cruel insatiable people they really are, no pretense, the true unloving leaders of the same constituents that voted them into power, only love the money that they've been brought closer to steal.

Agree ,once an A hole always an A hole .

Trev het net so lekker gevreet soos die ander 🎉

He grew the economy by 5% and a middle class Black grew. Zuma came and mucked everything up.

Correct.

Ronald Dipenaar, the very first time i come across such a noble idea, that will work much better for all Africans, constituency for a good quality Leadership is the only way that would curtail all the corruption unlike the voting for a political party.

@@nathanielkgobe427 Correct friend. That is why sadly it will probably never happen.

In which country are you recommending, Aus or NZ?

Clever.

Wrong!

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Yes....very well said......WE ARE THE ONLY ONES TO TAKE CONTROL........AND MAKE THINGS WORK......THEREFORE WE ARE OBLIGATED AND ITS FUNDAMENTAL THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE THEM OUT....ONCE AND FOR ALL....if this will happen not too sure......but ITS A DREAM T THIS MOMENT.....OUR ONLY SOLUTION.....WE MUST TAKE THEM OUT.....POINT....NO DISCUSSION.....I HOPE THIS VERY ELOQUENTLY SPOKEN MAN....WILL NOT VOTE FOR THE ANC ...😮😮😮😮😢

​@@paoloseri8069He speaks like a snake oil salesman.

Clapping + ululating for a poor show when u wasted money on a ticket, is not very clever.

Down the tubes!😅

if the lips move it's all lies that's how you spot the politicians 😂