Trey Gunn on BEAT & King Crimson transcription books

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Buy the transcription score books here: 7dmedia.com/music-scores
Thanks to Trey Gunn ‪@7directions‬ for stopping by the MWM studios for a lengthy conversation about King Crimson transcriptions. Hope you enjoy! Plus an exciting announcement starting at 13:54! Check it out...
00:00 Introduction
00:19 Tu-Ner CD w/Markus Reuter
01:04 KC transcription book intro
02:04 Thrak book
03:25 Recent news/BEAT
04:40 Steve Vai with his book
06:10 When Trey met Fripp
09:12 Robert quote about Trey
13:54 Wetton Book!
15:05 Gregg Bendian (Progcast)
16:50 "It's never the same..."
17:06 Fripp playing Red
18:20 Intention or performance?
25:05 Beat record thoughts
27:16 Thoughts on Vai
30:45 What will BEAT play?
The John Wetton era transcription book is in progress! Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Starless and Bible Black, and Red. Gonna be awesome!
Stay tuned to 7dmedia.com ‪@7dmediamusic‬ for more details.
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@superdananderson1382 Ай бұрын

The Wetton era book is going to be wicked!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

It will! And it already is

@Polyinstrumentalism Ай бұрын

Anxiously awaiting here.

@infowarriorone Ай бұрын

" Robert's got quite a sense of humour, he's hiding in there" ... and thanks to Toyah for bringing us fans a glimpse of it.

@jelk1188 Ай бұрын

“This night wounds time’ - the first time I read this, 45 years ago, it gave me goosebumps, as did the music. It’s so personal, sacred. Fracture has always been my yardstick for all metal.

@marpsr Ай бұрын

When I ordered my books it was very cool to receive an email saying “you have a package arriving from Trey Gunn” 💙

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Well, somebody's gotta ship 'em!

@7dmediamusic Ай бұрын

@@MakeWeirdMusic yes indeed :-)

@marpsr Ай бұрын

Thanks to both of you for all your hard work! I’m a classical pianist and have been going through many of the parts on the piano.

@greglinnemeyer4862 Ай бұрын

Ordered... Thank you for all your transcription efforts. Maybe one day Robert will allow the release of some isolated tracks!

@ryn8349 Ай бұрын

I must say.. Marcus Reuter is one of the kindest, most friendly people I've ever had the pleasure of chatting with

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

He's awesome! Such a great guy

@BeatlesBowieKrimson Ай бұрын

Dude! Another super-fantastic interview! Thanks for not interrupting Trey's great stories. With Robert, up close, too! Just wonderful. Thank you, so much.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

You're welcome. I'm just a regular guy who wants to hear from these amazing people. No one wants to hear me interrupt smart/cool people.

@andrelafosse Ай бұрын

CRUSHING IT is the act in which Mr. Garone has engaged during the creation of these audiovisual documentations.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Hahah, thanks Andre

@trilingual6725 Ай бұрын

Yes! Can't wait for the Wetton Era book!!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Gonna be awesome!

@robbieriddle2325 Ай бұрын

Another great interview! By the middle of the 20th century classical music and music academia gave birth to a slew of recordings that focused on "authentic" or "informed" performances. It was mostly what we now just call "early music." Scholars eventually settled on "period performance practice," as the banner. Music researchers and artists collaborated to produce scores and performances that the composers would recognize or approve. Issues like fingerings, bow lengths and even reconstructing the scores of Renaissance polyphony that were mostly rotted away were things that these scholars and performers grappled. The industry of classical music recordings from the CD-era enjoyed a big boom because these re-invented or re-imagined masterworks. All this excitement about BEAT reminds me of the Gramophone reviews of the 1990's of John Elliot Gardner and his Bach recordings or the Tallis Scholars churning out Brumel's Earth Quake Mass. Thank you for feeding us KC fans with quite intelligent interviews.

@DavidRavenMoon 4 күн бұрын

I can’t wait to get the Wetton era books! Especially Larks’ Tongue! Regarding the Elephant Talk solo; when I saw KC on that tour, when Robert played that solo he was cracking himself up! Probably the first time I saw him smile.

@paulmenard7936 Ай бұрын

I really enjoyed the talk. Saw Trey with Tu-ner a few days ago in Seattle. Loved it.

@beta14ok Ай бұрын

I've been hooked on Trey's music since One Thousand Years!! Wow,....that's a long time. I have no doubt that Beat will NOT be King Crimson. High hope that they will own the tunes in their best way. Nice interview, btw. Thank you for queuing-this-up

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Wow, I only thought you were 800 years old. Thanks for watching!

@ZakWinnick Ай бұрын

Excited about the new books, but even more excited for the Sleepytime Gorilla Museum LP in the background...

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

It's so good! Have you seen our SGM interviews?

@JackJohnst2112 Ай бұрын

A Wetton era book would be amazing!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Correction: WILL be amazing! :)

@zenhighwayman Ай бұрын

this interview is an important historical document. note: discovering the laughing bag was a childhood moment.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Haha, I am not old enough to know about the laughing bag, but I imagine it's something Pat Mastelotto needs on his drum kit

@thompsonterry4804 Ай бұрын

Such a well-developed interview, being both organic and knowledgeable between the two of you. Thoughtful and engaging. Thanks, Anthony and Trey!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Thank you Thompson! (Or is your first name Terry?) I appreciate your support

@aerithnull5081 Ай бұрын

14:25 They always forget about Starless and Bible Black :(

@superdananderson1382 Ай бұрын

That's too bad because it is truly powerful. I like it better than Red.

@7dmediamusic Ай бұрын

Red ending with Starless always throws me through a loop. You have to pause for a moment and go there's the song "Starless" from Red and then there's the album Starless and Bible Black. Easy to get tripped up on that one.

@francisvaughan7460 Ай бұрын

Lovely video. Brought a few thought to the fore. For a while I have wondered at the legacy that Robert and KC in general will leave. Many years ago RF was somewhat disparaging of live recordings - being that actually being there was the point of live performance. Now we have a pretty solid catalogue of live recordings. Until the modern era, a musician's legacy for the future was the written score. There were no recordings, and performances were ephemeral. Now we have musicians whose only legacy is recordings. In a sense these transcriptions bring the circle around, as a complete KC legacy of music. Which is a very good thing. A small plea. One of my all time favourite musical pieces is Asbury Park from the USA Album. Clearly it is a long term improvisational piece, and earlier versions exit on other live recordings. But in the set of Wetton era transcriptions, don't forget this one. Just because it was never on a studio album shouldn't cause it to be overlooked. (And there is the second part to possibly consider. But I'll settle for the USA version.)

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Let's see what Trey and Gabriel think!

@mraduanemc Ай бұрын

A Wetton-era book now?! You guys are really making a LOT of people very happy with these. Thank you so so much!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

It only exists because fans like you love it!

@douzilles Ай бұрын

Thank you for mentioning the Seven Guitar Craft Themes book! Great interview also!

@michaelgrossman5913 Ай бұрын

I had one of those laughing bags! Got it at Disneyland sometime around 1968. Long before I ever heard King Crimson. Yes. It was exactly the same laugh as the one on the album!

@bengriffin1089 Ай бұрын

Great news about the transcriptions of the LTIA era albums! I will look forward to them.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Yep! Work is underway

@the_construkction_of_light Ай бұрын

trey gunn's voice is always so soothing to hear, it's almost like that of an angel....

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

He does have a smooth voice, now that you mention it

@RodrigoWerneck1 24 күн бұрын

This was really interesting, congrats!

@MakeWeirdMusic 24 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@singingsheepytps9240 Ай бұрын

WETTON ERA? Take all my money.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

How about $75 to 7D Media? haha

@singingsheepytps9240 Ай бұрын

@@MakeWeirdMusicdeal

@ericarmstrong6540 Ай бұрын

A transcription of SABB? Most of it is improvised. The title track would be difficult to do. So would Providence on Red.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Challenge accepted, Eric! :) A lot of it has already been done haha

@froghawk Ай бұрын

Yes, Eric, we are not transcribing most of the improvisations - just the composed parts.

@Carlito_Sway Ай бұрын

I love Trey's insight into the purposes of notation at 11:00- composition, posterity, and communication (and I suppose, transcription/analysis)! In the age of DAWs, powerful samplers, and home recording technology, we have lots of tools to help us compose and record our music, but notating music still seems to be the predominant way we communicate performance instructions. When I was in music school, I played John Cage's Composed Improvisation for Snare Drum Alone, a piece "notated" as a set of written instructions rather than notes on a staff. That experience really opened my eyes to the different ways we communicate the instructions for realizing a piece of music- and as an arranger, it empowered me to just write text notes to my performers in the parts when it made the most sense!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Sheet music is both data storage and instructions. Pretty cool!

@a-b-jackson Ай бұрын

What a great interview, for reasons which are beyond Crimson music - so many thoughtful considerations and ideas which transcend the subject - inspiring

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Seriously glad you enjoyed it! Sometimes I wonder if I'm getting too technical in these conversations.

@Emlizardo Ай бұрын

Bruford thought that bit from "Red" that Fripp is demonstrating sounded like "Tea for Two."

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Hah! That's funny!

@quistunes Ай бұрын

Excellent interview. Thanks! Great to see you both in the same room together. I like Trey's 'long' answers.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Thank you, Beth! Nice to see you here. I try to let the artists do the talking. People aren't here to see me. :)

@the1101experiment Ай бұрын

For me when Trey and Fripp did The Deception Of The Thrush, heaven opened.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

I still haven't listened to that. I'll queue it up now

@briancassidy6678 Ай бұрын

Wonderful! King Crimson is of the caliber of music that lends itself for personal interpretation much like classical and jazz. Got my tickets and can't wait to hear what Danny and Steve add to the repertoire.

@andrewmsmith1969 Ай бұрын

I love my copy of the Discipline era book, and am SO glad to hear about the Wetton era transcriptions! Such an exciting time to be into this music!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

I totally agree. it's the 2nd best time to be alive as a KC fan.

@geoffcline9593 Ай бұрын

Merci beaucoup...fascinating and engaging conversation.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@andrewlm5677 Ай бұрын

Fascinating - I want to see Easy Money drums

@uvarighalvarado8677 Ай бұрын

I got both transcript books on last year reprint and I’m really excited for the Wetton era books!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Heck yeah!!

@harounel-poussah6936 Ай бұрын

Sign me in for the Wetton era transcriptions too (already have 80's one and Failure to Fracture)... Everytime I took a look, the Thrak book was out of print😭I may not still practise enough to really dig in, at my best, it was only partly feasible unless spending insane time at it, I mean about 30 seconds of Great Deceiver took me 2 months at about 6-8 hours a day, progressively raising the metronome from 40bpm to 195bpm... At the time, I had something like 3-4 years practise, it was, and still is, what gave me the hardest time at practising The Night Watch solo was harder to pass than Eruption... Thus, there are also easy material, we even could cover Red (obviously the bad way!) with my early-mid 90's RATM-like band, but things can really go freaking challenging or... unplayable for... Near everyone??? Even tho, just following the scores/Tabs is a delight, there are always things I never noticed (and not just guitar stuff, I own a fretless bass since 1990, G-synth since 1994), as Robert pointed, there are things that are always not heard or very difficult to perceive unless you switch to the sound engineer's active listening, and it'd be truly better to have a copy of the multitrack masters... And even tho, have fun to transcribe chords with a BigMuff on...

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Wow! Thank you for the support and the great comment!

@davidstanton1261 Ай бұрын

Delicious, Thank you

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Ya welcome!

@JulesFox Ай бұрын

Epic interview - I love these transcription books and will DEFinAtelY be being the 70's books as well.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Sweeeeeet!

@PinoRenfo 23 күн бұрын

Such a great interview, ty for this content I have 2 questions Trey said that they werent going to necessarily use the studio versions of the songs for the transcripts (which i think it's fantastic) so i was wondering how will they go about easy money and larks 1 since there are many great versions of those songs during the 73 and 74 tours? And the second one is, are they transcribing Dr. Diamond and Guts on my Side too?

@Thegabrielconstruct 22 күн бұрын

Hi Pino - my general process is to start with the studio versions and then make additions and alterations based on the live versions, and my approach here will be no different. A lot of what makes those live versions extra special is the energy with which they're played - there are some arrangement differences, but they aren't always huge. And yes, there will be some extra stuff in this book - but probably not Guts, as the sole recording of that is not very clear.

@ryn8349 Ай бұрын

Oh wow

@worldnotworld Ай бұрын

What's the "bassline of terror" from _Thrak_ that Gunn mentions? Anyone know?

@benmech Ай бұрын

"VROOM VROOM"

@shredward666 Ай бұрын

He’s got the new Sleepytime Gorilla Museum record🤘😎 One of the greatest bands of all time.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Did you see our interviews with Carla and Nils?

@shredward666 Ай бұрын

@@MakeWeirdMusic I haven’t but I will definitely check them out. I’ve seen them live 9 times. Astounding stuff.

@MikeConnelly-gz6cw Ай бұрын

Stellar content on this channel. Perhaps only second to Beato.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Thank you! I'm just a nerd who likes this stuff. Rick is a professional!

@MikeConnelly-gz6cw Ай бұрын

@@MakeWeirdMusic No sir, this is professional nerdery. Don't be fooled by how awesome it is to lift the hood on weird music, you are doing great work getting at the kind of info and details that are relevant to these subjects.

@jeddak Ай бұрын

24:50 Kind of a jazz musician's attitude.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Agreed!

@polygraphovich Ай бұрын

Hi Anthony. Great interview; I love what Trey said about intention. I rarely play covers exactly like the record. I must’ve missed that Robert at Home video about Red (yeah I’ve been playing it wrong all these years). Do you have a link to his post? Thx. Also just hinted to the family the Discipline book for Father’s Day. Looking forward to the Wetton era one too!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

I hope you get the book on time. All I remember about the video is “Robert at home episode 13”

@polygraphovich Ай бұрын

@@MakeWeirdMusic That works, I can search for it. Thanks! (I hope I get the book, on time or not 😀)

@mykonomen Ай бұрын

everytime I see one of your videos I have to pinch myself and go "so there is a professionally made channel on WEIRD MUSIC, and it´t great and educational and nerdy and ...beautiful. Love it, thanks. And oh, I hang out a lot with Mats/Morgan and love Crimson, so - tailor made for me!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Wow, thanks! I can't say we are "professionally made" since I'm just a random guy who does this for fun, but I'm grateful for people like you. Have you heard my music with Morgan? Or seen our content with Mats?

@mykonomen Ай бұрын

@@MakeWeirdMusic Yes! We´re close friends and I try to catch most of the stuff they do, here in Stockholm and elsewhere. And - I wouldn't call you a random guy... You have followed your heart and made a wonderful thing! Thanks again! And, more Magma ;-)

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

I don't think I've done a Magma video... Hmm...

@mykonomen Ай бұрын

@@MakeWeirdMusic Hmm... Time to let the world know about Zeuhl! 🤩

@BeforeAndAfterScience Ай бұрын

I didn't know there was a THRAK book. Ordered!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Excellent! Thanks for ordering! (I don't get anything out of it, I just am happy to see people sending their money to worthy projects.)

@worldnotworld Ай бұрын

THE DEFINITIVE VERSION (pardon my shouting) of "Elephant Talk" is not on _Discipline_ or any live/bootleg recording I've ever heard, but the tv performance on "Fridays." If a second edition of the 80's albums ever comes out, let's hope for an appendix!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Hah! Spicy take!

@froghawk Ай бұрын

We are already on the third edition of the book, and all of the editions drew quite a bit from the live performances, including the Fridays performance!

@worldnotworld Ай бұрын

@@froghawk That's wonderful to hear! I don't own a copy, but I soon will now.

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

@@froghawk Thanks for stepping in!!

@audiocristal Ай бұрын

Is there any transcription of UK´s Caesar Palace Blues? ( Wetton in the bass )

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Dunno!

@andybyron1 Ай бұрын

I really really really really REALLY would love if they video recorded the live event for the less fortunate people who won’t be able to be at any of the concerts. Please 🙏🙏🙏

@lol33324 Ай бұрын

Hopefully they will re-stock european shop with Discipline Era so I can finally buy it :O

@bryanstaddon5998 Ай бұрын

I hope in the future all these books become an intensive college course. Like Med school for weirdo musicians.

@ryn8349 Ай бұрын

Now, we just need the Hadron Collider of interviews, and have Anthony Garone interview Rick Beato. Beato could learn an awful lot from Anthony on "The other side" of composition and music in general

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

I spoke to Rick once at NAMM. I'll just say he seemed distracted haha. But he had André Cholmondeley over to his studio recently and they had a great time! Maybe we'll have Rick on the channel.

@Schizoid28 Ай бұрын

In the middle of watching I noticed latest Sleepytime Gorilla Museum album on the turntable there :)

@MoggioMTB Ай бұрын

This reminded me that I transcribed and put up the first transcription of Red in tab on the internet 32 years ago and its still floating around in lots of places. Done from a cassette on a crappy tape deck with my poor teenage skills, I have always known it has heaps of issues with its accuracy, but as Trey 23:50 says "Badly played Red with amazing attitude is better than ..." I know I have played it with hopefully the right attitude and know other bands using it to do the same.... I guess I feel less guilty now for never correcting or updating that transcription!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Hah! That's awesome! I bet I used your transcription at some point in my life. Thanks for the contribution

@andreaaquilini4476 Ай бұрын

Great news! Does anybody know a link to buy the Discipline Era transcriptions book for shipping in Europe? Thanks in advance

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

7dmedia.com

@andreaaquilini4476 Ай бұрын

@@MakeWeirdMusic Thanks for the answer and the always cool content

@nakim55 Ай бұрын

Do the first LP! Heck, do the first 3!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Let's see how sales keep up!

@nakim55 Ай бұрын

@@MakeWeirdMusic I bought the discipline book.👍

@lol33324 Ай бұрын

Do you know when Wetton era will be released?

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Trey addresses this at the end of the video. I think he said 2025?

@lol33324 Ай бұрын

@@MakeWeirdMusic thanks.. that`s gonna be a long year... or two :(

@misterguy9051 Ай бұрын

How in the world can one forget about "Starless and Bible Black" ? Can't wait for that "Starless and Bible Black" transcription book!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

He has a lot of notes to remember, which are more important than titles. :)

@misterguy9051 Ай бұрын

haha!! that being said... i am eager to see that SaBB transcript in deed... !!!

@mattdowie92 Ай бұрын

I need it in my life..... like, now.....

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

We're working on it!

@TheRealHucasys Ай бұрын

I don't understand how you went from trying to learn Fracture to all this!!!

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Hahaha yes it’s a huge leap

@carlcino Ай бұрын

Are all the guitar parts in the book in Tab? I can't read notation for shit

@MakeWeirdMusic Ай бұрын

Yes

@HerrSint 27 күн бұрын

I have seen and read a few interviews with Gunn, and I don't think I've ever heard/read a sentence from him which weren't interesting one way or another.