Legion 300w tho, but not USB C brick

i cant believe you've done this

Unacceptable. UnAcCePTABLEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mNh8gcZ7yrmlmKs.html

​@@superkoopatrooper4879 My Zephyrus G14 charger is almost half that and charges in 50 mins tops if doing heavy gaming; lasts 14 hours of productivity work. Ryzen + 3060 combo is an efficiency beast plus almost on par with desktop

me crying with 45 watt

Thing is you can generally make the other ones quieter just by setting the GPU limit to what the GS uses. My laptop goes to 130W on the 3060 but I can also just set it to 105W which is what most laptops the same size use and it's much quieter. So can look at the full power as more of a turbo mode then

@@simster2759 yeah you can do that but then it doesn't even get much better over the better built one

The thicker does not need a better: keyboard - regular mechanic wireless keyboard with big WSAD and arrows, display - because 4K 32" monitor, stiffness - sits on the "Outer Rim" of your desk, speakers - you have connected headphones or speakers by BOSE, Harman Kardon, or other JBL, trackpad - you just use a gaming mouse, gaming laptops if don't travel don't need trackpads at all battery - it pulls the power from the wall, slim and thin and whatnot because most of its mobile character is in ranges of "will be carried to your friend or your girlfriend". In terms of playing games when traveling, the owner of GP66 will use 399$ Steam Deck with a changed SSD.

could not agree more. quiet always wins. i am so sick of loud fabs i want to puke

It's hard for me to listen through my earbuds when playing games, my laptop's fan's pretty loud. Would go for the quieter one too.

Got a old ish msi laptop for personal stuff and I totally agree but at work we use Alienware and my god.. we make it work but so many annoying little things

This needs more thumbs up because their software is so 2015 and made by a high schooler while other laptop startups like xmg already have much better software experience.

I agree about the good hardware and terrible support. If you buy MSI, pray that you wont need warranty repairs.

@@hubertnnn have to add that my experience with MSI outside of warranty was very good. I was able to buy a new battery get it shipped with install instructions and a confirmation email asking how it went. And this was 3 years ago on a now 6 year old laptop.

@@sainsay my experience was mixed: They wanted me to send the first laptop in for an overheating issue, and returned it with the mainboard from the next model up. They also wanted me to send my laptop in for a touchpad driver issue... I declined.

Including the "dropping stuff"

@@QualityDoggo Linus' ability is contagious

If u keep up with the designs then u see that every type of concept from what brand u have then u will see everyone has a design from one brand that already exists

Wait, what? How on earth?

when laptops get dd5 and 40 series then ill buy a laptop until then, nothing special

More like Lenovo Legion for internal board layout.

@@Dangerousm1ndz closer to an omen on this one

Facts, Alex is always legendary

Engineering Alex is always chaotic though

That's his secret, he's always Chaos Alex

@@IanMustafa Eh, the difference between chaotic good/neutral and chaotic evil is smaller than most think.

Today, Alex chose Chaos.

yes

yes, how does he know one is 150w and other 105w... never seen them stats pointed out anywhere... powerbrick? Nah convinced they use same... +200 smth

Yeah like Jarrod Does

@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 GPU max TGP is listed by MSI. You should never buy a gaming laptop without knowing the gpu wattage as that will affect the performance dramatically in some cases. There are ultra thin laptops with 3080s and 80 watt tgps that will perform much worse than 3070s with better wattage

Jarrod's Tech already has a full list of every laptop he has tested just go there. Or hardware unboxed generally has more detail that LTT too. As for how they know GPU power generally listed and also as the tester with the device can just run software to see GPU power. Higher GPU power almost always means faster in gaming laptops so fairly easy to judge. Except for weird cases of CPU throttles

The whole point of shortcircuit is that it's unscripted and takes less work to put together. Just off the cuff impressions on stuff, no writing involved

The unscripted-ness of it, is what I appreciate. It’s a real first impression, not swayed by what they planned out to say in each segment.

I’d argue that specs aren’t really writing tho It’s a list and a bit of research, but it’s not that much work to have “2.5gb Ethernet” and some other dot points

MSI postions themselves as a value brand, or at least used to when I bought a gaming laptop from them back in 2017. I remember choosing between an MSI and an HP laptop with the same CPU and GPU, and the MSI was a couple hundred dollars cheaper.

The GS series has always been metal afaik!

I bought a MSI GL75 laptop, because it was a bit cheaper than the ASUS alternative, and I 1000% regret it. Just keeping it in a soft laptop bag, the chassis and screen is so flexible it squished the screen in so there is a huge scuff from the stupid ridge thing at the bottom of the keyboard, all the way across the screen. And whoever laid out the keyboard needs to be fired with prejudice, it is, without a doubt, the worst layout I have ever seen. Its also quite loud, and comes with tons of bloatware. My first and last MSI laptop.

MSI's high-end workstation laptops with durable build are "Creator" series - M16, Z16, and Z17. This "GS" is a mid-range gaming lineup for budget conscious consumers. So of course build quality is not the highest priority.

For that money I would expect an magnesium backcover with captive screws, like other cheaper laptops use.

Fan noise is a super important criterion

The MSI Modern series is a great example of a more serious looking MSI machine. Then again, it is aimed at business customers so that makes sense. Oddly enough it doesn't feature a numpad though.....

Dbrand that shit.

Sounds like that company sucks.

Eh there are good reasons for this. Both security and repair consistency once you are deploying laptops at scale.

Thats good thing since there is lower chance he will be persuaded by sponsored videos like this one. If in sponsored video they need to say that keyboard is "acceptable" you can be sure it isnt. There is also a reason why it isnt compared to any competition at that price point.

it isn't compared because this isn't a review, it is a showcase, exactly because it is sponsored. also they are legally not allowed to say things they do not agree with, even if it is sponsored, which means that if Alex says the keyboard's fine, he means what he says. LTT have been very transparent about these things for years now

@@robertlinke2666 he said "acceptable" so it is "acceptable". He didnt even say that its fine. Take what you want out of it but I find it funny that people will belive anything and will throw stuff like "legally allowed" - yeah he agrees that it is acceptable, is it a good thing? "they are transparent" - yeah they told you it is sponsored because it is required by law. I hope you are at least more critical to reviews of things you actually want to buy because someone will screw you big time with that attitude.

lol, me too. And people always asks me "Why is it always charging?" XD

+1

@@jimmyn8607 haha yup, i have mine set to best battery health so it only charges to 60% and it has to be plugged in all the time otherwise it will die in like 5 min lol

are you happy with it? How's the fan-noise? someone is selling one in my area for 1000 dollars, but I can't have the fans kicking up when I'm at work.

@Rac3r4Life: Do you have one of the X1 laptops that has soldered-onto-the-motherboard Ram? If you do, you're going to be in a pickle, because Ram *does* fail, and when yours does (IF it ever does. And let's hope it doesn't :-( ), you're going to have essentially a fancy paperweight. (It's one of the reasons why I don't-like laptops with soldered components (such as soldered-onto-the-motherboard Ram, soldered-onto-the-motherboard internal-storage, soldered-onto-the-motherboard WiFi card, soldered-onto-the-motherboard processor, etcetera). It makes a laptop less-Fixable/less-Repairable/less-User-Friendly). (Same thing goes with an internal battery. Less user-friendly (and less-easier to "disconnect and remove" like the laptops-of-old with externally-accessible batteries (examples: Toshiba Satellite A40-SP151. ASUS P43E-XH31. Thinkpad T420. Etcetera)), and all that heat generated by the battery, stuck next-to the SSD chips, but-also stuck-next to the Ram chips, but-also stuck-next to the Processor chips, and concentrating all that heat-inside the laptop can't-be-good). :-(

@@reoencarcelado5904 RAM has a very low failure rate, for one. Also, I have a 4 year service plan on the laptop. By that point I'll be ready to buy another. It's a $2500 computer that I use for my business to make money, so the extra couple hundred the extended warranty cost was basically irrelevant to me. So it is not something I am worried about. It's also a tradeoff you need to make. Soldered ram chips allow the laptop to be thinner and lighter. It also allows cooling on the RAM chips. There's also a great benefit to the speed of the memory. The fastest DDR4 SoDIMM's are 3,200Mhz. With soldered RAM you can have much higher speeds and lower timings. My RAM operates at 4400Mhz with 20-20-20-45 clocks. Finally, my last computer, a Surface Pro 4, also had soldered RAM. It is several years old and it is still going strong. While I understand your point, I don't see any problem with it. I also wouldn't say anyone else should worry too much about it. The amount of people who's RAM fails outside of the warranty period is so small it's basically irrelevant. RAM that fails prematurely tends to do so within a very short time after it's in use. If it makes it past a year it will most likely outlive the useful life of the computer. The only thing to make sure you do is get the amount of RAM you need at the time of purchase. I personally maxed the RAM in my X1 so I don't need to worry about running out as programs use more and more.

Bro, if your use case involves "sending replacement to an entirely different country" you're going to be disappointed. Laptop makers are not concierges.

​@@ssl3546 Unfortunately yeah, except for *maybe* Apple

@@planefan082 I’ve had fantastic support from Apple tbh.

@@ssl3546 $1700 system, bought in America, shipped with a dead pixel and a bottom shell that could be clicked and not tightened flush. I had two months before I left the country, and I spent them trying to get an RMA while I was still here. They still led me to dead-ends by hanging up when I was on hold. I’d get close to support, be put on hold, then the call would drop.

@@zizimugen4470 Yep. Not my favourite brand but their support is still quite good.

P.S. Is it just me, or are there any other people that move to the beat of the Crab-Rave song?

wouldn't that be too much to ask?

How stupid to both want a mux, and a free/gsync screen. You won't be using both at the same time

@@Ryne4S Not for the price they’re asking for. Also increasing the wattage seems feasible since it’s pretty silent and cool at the current wattage. MUX switch was part of the specs when it was unveiled at CES but didn’t make it to the released product for some reason.

@@suitknol6604 How stupid to call others stupid when you know less than they do. FreeSync is to work with Optimus when MUX switch is disabled. G-Sync is for when MUX switch is enabled. The Lenovo Legion 5 Pro does exactly this.

Nice! Bought the same a week ago love it!

wait, and that is even with the extra cooling over the gs77? yikes

plastic bezel screen melted when the lid closed is unforgivable for me, since I'm using my laptop like a pc (lid closed all the time)... good thing that omen 15 have some gap between screen and body (which is one of bad point from most reviewer on omen 15, now I'm thankful for it)

@@robertlinke2666 the heatsinks are on the bottom, but the top is made from metal so all the keyboard area gets very hot The entire laptop is one big heatsink and you could probably burn your fingers if you touch the metal around the keyboard

@@dedoyxp It is a minor bump, but it did scare me because i only had it for 3 weeks. I was planning to do the same with closed lid, but i wont risk it

how is it treating you? good battery life? how are the fans? I can't have them kicking up too much right away if I'm using the laptop in public like when I'm at work on break.

Minus the shmooo. Glad to see another classy individual here.

Had the same experience, drivers were crap and the battery died in under a year and the Replacement battery didnt hold much longer. For the price I paid... nope never ever MSI again for me. XMG makes the most reliable Laptops imo. Their driver support is insanely good and the BIOS has much more options than I ever saw on a Laptop.

There isn’t a single 240w usb c charger anywhere yet

@Carl Gunderson Incorrect. It's part of the USB Power Delivery standard version 3.1. 48V at 5A = 240W. You don't even need new cables; the ones that you used for 100W USB-PD charging are just fine. That said, and as Crestofhonor points out, there isn't much out there in the real world. Not quite zero, though. SlimQ has a 240W charger for sale, and Oppo has demoed a phone (yes, a PHONE!) with 240W charging; 0 to 100% in nine minutes.

@ The 240Watt charger is only the DC not via USB-C. These are their specs: Output Type-C1/C2: Max 100W 5V⎓3A / 9V⎓3A / 12V⎓3A / 15V⎓3A / 20V⎓3A / 20V⎓5A / 5V⎓4.5A / 4.5V⎓5A Output DC：Max 240W 20V⎓12A

@@baakster I know they're not using USB-C to charge. I just said that they COULD have used it for a 240W charger, but it would have had to be 48V at 5A rather than 20V at 12A.

You're basically describing the Precision 5570, if they sold that with a GeForce GPU instead of a Quadro.

Like Dell is smart enough to do something like that.

@@qupada42 Just that the Quadros are worse than the RTX Mobile Chips

You're a good employee! Could have been honest though. As a CTO/CIO I often purchased devices more powerful than they had to be for my employees if it made them happy. But I knew it.

LOL @ major shareholder…

That's true. If you can justify needing a discrete GPU then Frameworks aren't cutting it