Trimaran for cruising? | Extended tour & Intv from Ep 73

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Sailing Fair Isle

Күн бұрын

We showed a little bit of Robert and Lori's Trimaran in the last episode, this is the extended tour and interview.

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@19leon73 Жыл бұрын

Maybe should add in the description that the boat is a Dragonfly 1200 Ocean Cruiser.

@judyaslett6209 Жыл бұрын

You have done it for us, thank you!

@horstlauch453 Жыл бұрын

Haha, first question that came up.

@Nunyabizn3ss Жыл бұрын

I think it would get them views, I was searching for Dragonfly trimarans.

@WayOfHaQodesh Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Thought it looked like a Dragonfly

@nesleinf Жыл бұрын

Responsible sailing. Nice to see a couple who counts safety over speed 🙂

@johndoyle1455 Жыл бұрын

What a lovely couple, their honesty was refreshing, beautiful boat, happy sailing.

@samholmessailing 2 ай бұрын

I had similar insurance issues. For some reason every insurance company was denying me because i had a US flagged boat in the Med. They couldn’t give me a good explanation why it was a problem though, something about having to follow US insurance laws. I finally got insurance through Edward Williams

@robruh4100 Жыл бұрын

Wow!!! Thanks for doing this we really enjoyed meeting you and showing you around for this video. Thank you for all your support!

@judyaslett6209 Жыл бұрын

It is lovely to meet you and follow your travels

@andycrawford156 Жыл бұрын

Have been following your channel for some time, and never fail to be impressed. Thanks for all the hard work. I am not one to comment usually, but had to on this episode. I too own a Dragonfly trimaran and cruise the med. My boat is a Dragonfly 35, and a little different to the 1200 featured in your video. We have a galley that goes the full length of the saloon on the starboard side, so have a lot more space for cooking and prep, the stern cabin is also under the cockpit, and the cockpit itself is at the stern of the boat. I would say that makes it easier to moor stern to as in most med locations. The other comments I would make is that the boat goes really well in light winds often found in the med, particularly when you use the code zero sail. The boat points well at 30 degrees to the wind, particularly as the strength of the wind increases. I would agree this is not the boat for everyone, but we sail as a couple with very occasional visitors, and the boat is plenty big enough. I would say that more than four on board makes it less comfortable. My wife loves that it sails flat, and as the wind picks up it just goes faster and faster. It can be a lot of fun, and a real adrenaline rush!! She also likes that you can make fast passages, and particularly likes when we start overtaking the motor boats when we are under sail!! Getting to the anchorage first can be a real advantage. We absolutely love the boat, and in fact this our second Dragonfly trimaran. They are really good quality, and well built, but it is probably true, as mentioned in the video that they are quite expensive relative to their monohull cousins to buy, but they do have a following and hold their price well. As in everything it depends upon what is important to you, and how you view their value for money. Keep up the good work, it would be great if our paths crossed at some point in the future.

@williamyamm8803 Жыл бұрын

Very nice boat. And a lot of wood inside, it makes a nice cosy inside, I like that. Greeting from France

@christip20 Жыл бұрын

This is one of the best videos I’ve seen in a long time! Between both couples was a wealth of information about everything “Cruising” and with a Trimaran too! Thanks!

@timmitchell8784 Жыл бұрын

Amazing boat and crew. Thanks for sharing

@sergest-pierre6160 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. I was looking at similar boat and was wandering how feasible to live on it full time. I got my answer, it is yes but it is a bit small. I sail my friend Corsair F27 and it is addictive and a very different sailing experience then on slow monohull or even a fat catamaran. It is more comfortable then people think. When they say they sail at 8 knots, that is in about 10-12 of winds. The draw back beside the small size is that when sailing, you need to be on top of it all the time. So long passage might be quicker but also more exhausting. I love all your video but this one was really useful for me.

@sv.tribiza-quorningdragonf7369 Жыл бұрын

So true. She is engaging...we think she's a bit mischievous at times, but always fun.

@tabbycowley5825 Жыл бұрын

We actually saw this lovely boat on our last sail in greece, so good to see her again.

@ramizayed3853 Ай бұрын

Enjoyed the video. Helpful info regarding insurance for Americans in the Med - thanks. They had to open a company in BVI to "own" the vessel then could insure that way

@tomriley5790 Жыл бұрын

What a lovely couple and a great boat :-)! Pretty sure the boat would be fine - it's a planing hull so no worries running before (but it would be exciting...)

@bertmacdonald337 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree Judy, what great ambassadors for the US!

@RobertFullStop Жыл бұрын

I will sail the boat to the US for you guys... lovely boat and beautiful people.

@blackduck7851 Жыл бұрын

Just traded from a 45 cat to a 32 trimaran for one simple reason... fun. These dragonfly trimarans are fun what better reason could you want?

@pecopeco5907 Жыл бұрын

thats very unnecessary. u could have bought a corsair or smaller dragonfly for fun while keeping ur cat for comfort.

@LoanwordEggcorn 11 ай бұрын

@@pecopeco5907 Most people can't sail/cruise two boats at the same time.

@Seafariireland Жыл бұрын

Beauty, I want one!

@dhincks1 Жыл бұрын

Back wind the jib, my f31 in 50 knots would lay, making 2 knots forward.

@rightright6582 Жыл бұрын

19:54 the new dragonfly has a stern cockpit.... why switch from center to stern?

@LoanwordEggcorn 11 ай бұрын

Apples and oranges. It can make for a longer continuous space. The isolation of a separate aft cabin has pros and cons. On the other hand a center cockpit is better protected, etc. So pros and cons of either.

@allmomomosthomebus3895 Жыл бұрын

I just saw that you'll be at the Annapolis boat show. My wife Justina and I will be there for a couple of the days. I'm looking forward to meeting you both! Larry

@svfairisle Жыл бұрын

See you there

@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 Жыл бұрын

Some experienced sailors put pop up tents on the tramps to sleep in at night ... So even crew get their own cooler sleeping space at anchor. For a bigger trimaran see the Sailing oceans Neal trimaran Poly. Great to see someone living aboad a smaller trimeran. Theres also the Anglo Dutch couple in portugal with two trimarans Dawn and Twilight..? They are converting their racer to a cruising liveaboard . Living on the Ocean's.

@sailingcitrinesunset4065 Жыл бұрын

Nice video

@promotingjustice4251 Жыл бұрын

Nice Video!!! Beautiful setting!!! Confused by your statement of pointing to 60 degrees. I also have a Dragonfly 1200 and can easily point upwind to 35 degrees.

@svfairisle Жыл бұрын

Yes I took it that Rob was meaning he tacks through 60 degrees (and was being a bit ambitious!) You can see she will track high though, tight sheeting angle’s

@sv.tribiza-quorningdragonf7369 Жыл бұрын

@@svfairisle that's correct. Tracking through 60 degrees

@svfairisle Жыл бұрын

@@sv.tribiza-quorningdragonf7369 Well that’s VERY impressive

@gerhardvanwaltsleben8944 Жыл бұрын

Lekker man lekker 🇿🇦

@gregorydamario7977 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful boat! Who manufactured it? A Dragonfly 1200? Don't know it but looks great!

@svfairisle Жыл бұрын

Yes it’s a Drsgonfly

@theosphilusthistler712 Жыл бұрын

Nice boat. I do struggle to get my head around the lack of lifelines on multihulls. If that was a roof patio atop a 50 story building there would be a rail around it but a building doesn't accelerate like a multihull.

@1sailfast Жыл бұрын

They aren't needed. The Dragonfly 1200 (this boat) has rails at the bow and stern where they do provide secure handholds, but on the nets or center of the center hull the nets provide the needed safety. If you're off balance on a multihull the best thing to do is sit down (fast) or try to fall on the deck. Lifelines are trip lines -- on most boats they are too low to provide any real security. On a monohulll that's heeled a lifeline might stop someone from sliding or rolling off, but would only trip a standing person. In really rough conditions its best to rig secure jacklines and wear a harness and tether, and stay clipped on.

@theosphilusthistler712 Жыл бұрын

@@1sailfast agree that most lifelines are too low but secure holdholds are only good if you're holding them, and strong. Bottom line is that staying aboard those boats requires awareness and agility and offer no second chance once you've got it wrong.

@whenwasnow6062 Жыл бұрын

Please explain the insurance problem. Is it because you have to have in order to keep at marina's, etc or is it because you want to insure for loss of your property? In other words if you have no insurance and no worries about losing your boat, would you be ok? -hypotheticaly. thanks.

@rightright6582 Жыл бұрын

Anybody here

@LoanwordEggcorn 11 ай бұрын

@@rightright6582 I believe sailing in the EU requires insurance. Most countries worldwide require a boat to be insured in order to be allowed in their territorial waters. The main reason is in case the boat causes damage to others, so liability insurance, not just insurance against damage to the boat itself. So not too different from driving in other countries.

@lkmb1717 Жыл бұрын

👍

@jeannem6723 Жыл бұрын

I rather like that, a mono-hull with outriggers!

@LoanwordEggcorn 11 ай бұрын

Yes, the living space in the hull is like a monohull. But multihulls don't use ballast or need deep keels, so they're usually far more efficient and faster than monohulls.

@ralphvandereb66 10 ай бұрын

Made think about the 40 again

@ArtietheArchon 11 ай бұрын

Forgive me I missed it what is the make and model of this fine vessel

@svfairisle 11 ай бұрын

Hans Christian 48T, there is a boat tour on the channel

@LoanwordEggcorn 11 ай бұрын

The trimaran is a Dragonfly 1200.

@paulbeatham6530 Жыл бұрын

I saw the hidden head. Didn't see a shower or even a wet head. I like the concept, but haven't seen a layout for full time cruising.

@SpyridonMouroutsos Жыл бұрын

@horstlauch453 Жыл бұрын

Is this a DF 1000 or 1200?

@svfairisle Жыл бұрын

It’s a Dragonfly 1200, sorry should have made that clear in the video.

@trevhedges Жыл бұрын

A refreshing honest couple, it’s just a silly boat that does nothing better? I could be wrong? As a Cruiser would you personally want one?

@svfairisle Жыл бұрын

As a boat to have fun around the Med it could be a really good option. It’s not what I would pick for the job we want to do, but even for world cruising there are benefits, speed being the main one. It why La Vagabond are switching to a trimaran

@stephenmurray9850 Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah , I want one .. Fast and light and very stable with min heal angle, sure you give up on a large galley but if you want to go somewhere and get there many days before your heavy mono , it's the way to go. Did you get a chance to see the "sail by wind numbers " ? Very interesting .. These tri's don't tip over if your sensible with your sails , as they say reef early and you'll be pretty safe. It's horses for courses really , lucky we all have different ideas about the "best" boat for cruising.

@trevhedges Жыл бұрын

@@svfairisle I actually did know they did, i don’t follow them.. but I would lay a bet (simply Cruising) not racing, comfortable sailing without breaking everything, a race across the Pacific Ocean, between your boat and their’s I seriously doubt they would beat you by a day.. and if there was a nasty storm? I would personally prefer to be on your boat… They may beat you, but they have to go off the wind, possibly for days, to get 10-12 knots of SOG, and you go hard to course and wind drop to 4-6 knots, but are heading in the right direction.. I maybe wrong i just try not to confuse cruising with racing..

@svfairisle Жыл бұрын

@@trevhedges Well yes for live aboard cruising I’m very much in the camp of going slower, safer and in more comfort. Personally I wouldn’t change Fair Isle even for anything that’s in any way ‘sporty’. Obviously the sailing experience of the vast majority of people is of weekend cruising. In that situation when you get out to your boat it’s all about playing at actually sailing, reefing, messing about with sail trim etc. What people forget is that when you’re full time cruising you want a boat that’ll look after herself as well as you. We can get hit by a squall with full sail (because as cruisers you are not spending 100% of your time concentrating on sailing because you have everything else to deal with) and in Fair Isle nothing bad will happen. I’ve been on a lot of boats ( & I’m not talking racers here) where you can get yourself in a whole bunch of trouble very quickly, and the goes double for catamarans.

@simonhantler8062 Жыл бұрын

@@svfairisle i think la vag will go back to a cat in couple years once drag racing discomfort and no washing machine kicks in. probably an aluminium cat as riley will be bored with the coconut run.

@richardb4787 Жыл бұрын

I thought it was a Corsair

@troyortego4655 6 ай бұрын

i don't think so...

@sirox68 Жыл бұрын

Sixty degrees to the wind?!? That doesn't sound right. With my Nautitech catamaran I cruise well at 35 degrees AWA (or around 50 to the true wind). I'd expect much better from a Dragonfly, from what I've seen they should point like a mono...

@noqnoqrvfitouts7683 Жыл бұрын

No . Can't be right. They point just as well as mono's. Vmg is better cracking off 5 degrees in stead of pinching as high as you can though.

@LoanwordEggcorn 11 ай бұрын

They clarified in another comment that he meant tacking 60 degrees through the wind, so can sail close hauled at 30 degrees off the wind.

@getinit56 6 ай бұрын

To me. Whats the point of having a boat capable of 20+ knots if you dont use that to stay out storms?

@svfairisle 6 ай бұрын

20 knots won’t always keep you out of storms, you just need to look at out latest episode to see that!

@getinit56 6 ай бұрын

@@svfairisle With all due respect. That boat would be lucky if it was capable of half that. Which is my point. A fast boat has the capability of getting a person out of trouble, where a slow boat can not.

@svfairisle 6 ай бұрын

@@getinit56 Yes I agree that if you want to use speed as a storm avoidance tactic there are better, faster boats. The dragonfly is a quirky fun little boat but it wouldn’t be my choice of cruising yacht for many reasons. Actually though one of those reasons is I don’t think speed is the best storm avoidance tactic, so that’s where I disagree! The storm we showed in the last episode developed right on top of us. It wasn’t predicted on any model. We were 350nm off shore so nowhere to run and the storm was 500nm across so even La Vags Rapido could not have cleared it, not even close! So what you need to ask yourself is what boat would you want to be sitting in in that situation? We have starlink by the way so our forecasts were bang up to date.

@southernfriedkiwi6340 Жыл бұрын

I must admit that I don't really get the appeal. These are very expensive and have less USABLE living space than a mono. Day tripping or weekend use, maybe. Once cruising becomes the deciding factor, the squashed nature of the design makes less sense, especially at the prices that these things go for. They are quick and stable, but a cruising boat is a home and that home has to make more ergonomic sense than this.

@LoanwordEggcorn 11 ай бұрын

I suppose it depends on whether one likes fast, efficient sailing better or comfort when arriving better. But the Dragonfly doesn't look incredibly uncomfortable to me.

@tomriley5790 Жыл бұрын

Have to disagree with you Devon and Corwnwall is good, but real sailors go to the West Coast of Scotland :-)!

@svfairisle Жыл бұрын

Well yes maybe, but the one time I set off to sail around the British Isles looking forward to spending time on the West coast of Scotland we had a force 10 at cape wrath and were beaten back to the Caledonian canal so missed most the the western islands :(

@salimerdem7544 Жыл бұрын

My opinion, the design is too ambitious to fulfill too many jobs. I doubt with such structural critical joints, she will be very robust in heavy seas. It is not clear what kind of a horse this is, which course had the designers had in their mind.. But of course, if they are happy and if it lets them enjoy life, nothing to add…

@sv.tribiza-quorningdragonf7369 Жыл бұрын

Hi there. She is an ocean cruiser and this very boat has circumnavigated the world.

@salimerdem7544 Жыл бұрын

@@sv.tribiza-quorningdragonf7369 thanks for the info, I might very well be mistaken and had a biased comment, sorry…