Fair point about off-road. Triumph almost by default displays them with street tires just like a Porsche Cayenne or a Range Rover. I'd wonder how many of these bikes are taken off-roading. I tried that with a few ADV bikes and man, what a fight that was on street tires. Even with off-road ones, I wouldn't risk it and a 800-900 category ADV bike would be my absolute max when it comes to even considering going off-road. Too heavy, powerful and expensive for that in my mind. But I get it and riding between the cars filtering is as close to testing its precision (low speed control etc.) as I can go. Cheers!

@@VToldsMotoShow True. I would never take one of these for serious off-roading. Too heavy, too powerful, and too expensive to drop lol. Handy though if you have to do some dirt roads as part of travel. I dread dirt roads on my big cruiser and avoid whenever possible.

Being in Colorado, this area is perfect for these bikes up in the mountains. I currently have an 800xcx and just purchased the 23 rally explorer. After much riding on different tires trying to find a good road and off-road , I’ve landed on the Dunlop trailmax missions. Good mix of on and off road capability. So when the time comes or maybe sooner. I’ll be swapping out the factory tires with those. But i do intend on taking the bike off-road , why else would you buy it

Hi, thanks for the feedback and it's great to hear from you that Triumph is actively addressing some things. Even better to know that they are succeeding - great news. I'm pinning it so that others can see and know what to do about the engine shutting off. Great stuff, Steve G! Waiting for them to lubricate the hoses so that they don't squeak anymore ;) Yeah, I've proven to myself that this version really is not the go-to choice when it comes to city riding. And damn, not bad that you're handling this tall bike. Some long legs out there. Thanks for sharing all this and all the best with your Tiger out there!

yeah this is fixed with the update ! great job triumph

My pleasure. I believe that GT Pro should suit the most of us best. I for once really enjoyed that version ;)

It's a matter of perspective after trying different bikes. Then certain differences appear and it's easier to spot what they do differently and how much.

With my 183 cm tall, a GT would definitely also make more sense to me than a Rally. If you like your Super Tenere 1200, maybe a KTM 1290 Super Adventure would suit you. I tried the Yamaha several years ago when it was launched and it was a decent machine and today with more powerful bikes that feel lighter, you might actually like the differences. All the best!

I got the GT Explorer to replace my 2018 S10 ES (that was flashed) and I live in Whitby. The Tiger is so much better in almost every area, I have not had the stalling issue so not sure if it is just a European thing. So comfy, great suspension and mileage was the same as my S10.

The remark about the sound made me laugh - good one! I believe that since the stalling issue was there, the dealer was not yet ready with the update. I rode this Rally Pro in September, so perhaps before any updates targeting this matter. Thanks for the hint and I've pinned it so that others can see and be aware that this might be resolved in their Tigers too. Cheers!

@@VToldsMotoShowcheers!

Have you found a proper exhaust yet?

Thanks, taking it there with street tires might be wild. I feel that it’s like with a Mercedes G class or a Range Rover - manufacturers claim amazing off-road capabilities that in fact are there (drivetrain, suspension etc.) but they’re too heavy and it’s risky taking them and scratching the paint or bumping into something. So on one hand it’s possible but on the other, something like a dirt bike or even Yamaha Tenere 700 and such would make 10x more sense to be taken off-road. I personally wouldn’t dare. Tried that with a V-Strom with 100% street tires and after that lesson I am not planning it anymore. Perhaps with off-road tires it would give you some joy and satisfaction with all these dealers’ bikes come with street tires to suit the masses that test them. I hope this explains it better. All the best!

The stalling issue was fixed with software. Thus it won’t happen when using 2 finger clutch

Yup, it will be compared to those soon. Yet you know, some guys like myself would come into the dealership and first explore which model would be their go-to. This isn't even the proper comparison with a full list of differences yet - this is coming soon too though. But right, within the category, other bikes with 21-inch wheels should be put right next to it for a direct comparison. One thing about AT is that it feels super nimble when it comes to turning while KTM is super stable, precise and easy to control at lower speeds. They're each other's opposites in those two areas. Tiger 1200 Rally might be in the middle between the two in each aspect. Now GSA - I remember it as a slightly heavier GS with all its strong points still in place. Thanks for sharing! Cheers!

Thanks and yeah, Triumph just added it to the Tiger 1200 - it's 2 cm as far as I can see on their website. Works in the rear. I'm impressed how quickly they responded.

That should be helpful, so thanks for sharing!

Interesting - I've ridden this one in September and the GT Pro in June of 2022. Both were dealer's bikes and there you have it - they seemed unaware of it since the bikes weren't updated. Thanks for leaving the hint! Owners should therefore push the dealers to investigate. Definitely worth knowing.

Hi, Honda did draw my attention recently. However, I'm personally leaning towards more "adventure"-oriented bikes like Africa Twin and maybe NC750x. Now there's the new Transalp too.

Sounds like a plan! And a good hint for others - how to deal with the display. That's definitely worth to be pinned at the top ;). Thanks for sharing!

But is the riding position any different on it? Should be the same I believe just with more distance to the ground vs in the GT, no?

@@VToldsMotoShow Triumph adjusted the rake on the RE, making it slightly steeper I think to sharpen up the handling. This obviously changed the position of the handle bars which I found more comfortable.

Ah yes, that could be right! Thanks for more details on what you meant here.

I'd say it depends on how much and how often you ride. I don't do long trips often so I wouldn't benefit from it and instead would prefer a sleeker-looking bike.

Dzięki za podzielenie się, bo brzmi to jak coś co może się zdarzać w wielu egzemplarzach - co pokazują przykłady. Triumph może do końca nie wiedzieć lub nie dystrybuować szeroko informacji wśród dealerów. Dzięki!

As much as I can use reason to answer, I'll say two things: 1. since you asked about myself, 9/10 times I'd go with the KTM. I'd be worried about its reliability and that my bike might be flawed - it happens with these bikes and I've seen that myself. If you get one that gets wobbly at high speeds, then long travel will not be a pleasure. Assuming that the bike would be all fine, I'm super excited about its performance, fun factor and ability to be easily controlled at low speeds. Just give it a taller windshield and a more comfortable seat. 2. If I was taller or you'd mention the GT instead of Rally, I'd also say that likely more people would be more happy with the Triumph as it's more extreme. Still super quick, very stable at any speed and nimble enough at lower speeds. Then add shaft drive to that (in the Rally as well), electrically adjustable suspension (Rally too), taller windshield by default (despite it being flawed if you've got a helmet like mine), one of the best seats in the category and you've got a more complete bike in my opinion. It still wouldn't stop me from choosing the 1290 SAR myself, but I cannot even try to convince anyone to follow that same path. I hope this helps!

​@@VToldsMotoShow thanks for answer. I was curious about your opinion. I had Tiger 1200 2016 and last year changed to the 1290SAR. I have already driven it 30.000 km. As you suggest - I put on a higher windshield and a more comfortable seat from S. The bike is amazing!

Good point.

any way to use the blind spot radar system on foldable mirrors? can you separate the original mirror and place it into a foldable one? thanks!

If you're confirming that the center stand is pretty tough to get along with at 6'2" and 230 lbs, then imagine what I was going through. Anyhow, it's possible to manage so just a "fun" fact there. All the best with your Tiger!

Not sure I would love that. For sure not the fine for damages on a 20k+ Euro bike ;)

@@VToldsMotoShow you just need a rubber mat. Job done. Big Rock Moto does it.

Thanks for the hint. I personally prefer a different kind of crazy stunts and would seriously be worried.

@@VToldsMotoShow I guess it depends on whether you’re making reviews for yourself, or adventure riders seriously considering buying these bikes.

I’m just thinking that this is too extreme for me. These are not my bikes and well, expensive to fix if anything goes wrong. So yeah, they are supposed to be for those considering them but there are things that I’m not ready for. Like I would explore the topic of ease of maintenance as I myself usually break things once I touch them. I hope you see my perspective. On the other hand I will be eager to test how quickly they reach 200 kph or how easy it is to make a U-Turn. Cheers!

No sure if it would be that great off road with the weight being felt so much and basically street tires. Wouldn't try myself. On a gravel road a GT should be just as good in my opinion, if not better considering that it actually feels nimble enough. Offroading with 200+ kg a 1200cc touring bike is not my cup of tea. But I like taking them for city rides as yeah, they're supposed to "do-it-all".

@@VToldsMotoShow it doesn't mean it can't run off-road. This bike is like GS , good for doing everything but not the best in all categories

About the engine - this I find surprising in comparison with a BMW R 1250/1200 GS.

Nawet dosłownie ciężki ;)

It's a good point about the Telelever suspension - it's a piece of art. About the height, keep in mind that it's also specifically about how long our legs are. You're pretty tall and taller than me and I felt totally fine on a GT Pro with the seat in the lower position. We may simply not be the best equipped to become high fashion models and that's that.

Thanks and I appreciate feedback. When testing bikes I do try some of different conditions at higher speeds but the city environment is the most demanding overall so I feel that that's the biggest challenge at the same time. Offers the whole range of obstacles too. But yeah, obviously this cannot be the only place, especially when trying 'touring' adventure motorcycles.

Which "complaints" don't you understand? Has anyone said that the bike is too fast or too slow or too wide or too narrow? Not sure how this would be relevant. I'm not riding 3000 miles and will never be. Extremely rarely even 300 miles on a bike as I'd choose a car instead. So the question is how many of us are. The thing about choosing a moped for the city, naked bike for a less congested city, sports bike for a race track, Gold Wing for a 3000 mile trip, KTM 450 SX for offroading and an electric bike if you're a government employee, is that it doesn't usually work too. I would risk a bet that most of us have one motorcycle and those who are interested in bikes like the Tiger 1200 often want it to be the best do-it-all motorcycle out there. That's my case as well - I'm riding in the city and outside of the city on one and the same bike. I cannot have it transform into something else the moment I enter the highway. But on a bike like this I can raise the windshield, soften the suspension and switch to a more gentle riding mode, so I guess that manufacturers are aware of who this works for so many os uf. And hey, even if I could have a different motorcycle for every occasion, it wouldn't work for me - this would be confusing. So I'm very much interested in which motorcycle ticks most of the boxes at the same time. I hope this presents the reasons for me not riding a scooter in the city but taking every bike and challenging it with that - that's where myself and so many others have to ride. Especially in Europe where traffic jams are already back to the levels of their prime time. Cheers! #hopeyourenotconfusedanymore

@@VToldsMotoShow dunno dont take it personal i was watching the video and waiting for the bits on country lanes and motorways tank range mpg handling pillion ect and all that sort of stuff ..i live in biggish town and just use me leccy moutain bike as its quicker than my motorcycle and no parking issues ..i dont ride with anyone anyone that i know who prefers to travel in car on longer journeys all lads i know buy the bikes to get out of the city to head for the scenery and mountains to get away for a few days or more where to me at least abig touring bike may be more at home and make more sense .... ? anyway yes your city your choice of bike fair play ....merry xmas

Welcome to Europe. No one is riding a bike to sit in traffic like a car. Riding is dangerous on its own.

It’s legal here and a very good reason to ride.

When you ride a bike and just sit between 2 stopped cars you are like a sitting duck ready to get smashed without exit plan.. Its your responsibility to lane filter carefully and not like an idiot at 100km/h . I believe the law of lanefilter ban came from someone that get anoyed for stucking in traffic with his\her car and watching bikers passing them.

I’m just out of hospital, 8 broken ribs and punctured lung, car driver never checked her mirror and pulled into my path, BMW 1200 gs adventure written off. I personally will be taking a lot more when passing cars to make products

@@lawriemoto Glad you are fine mate 🙌🙌

The Explorer versions of the new Tiger exhaust most of the heat to the sides, via fans. Triumph did an awesome job on this!

This new Tiger seems like a very well-rounded model. Really not much to complain about, especially considering a GT variant I think.