There is currently a shortage of batteries in the world and the price of electronic buses is rising

Some trolleybuses still have lithium ion batteries so what you said is not that true. Others also have diesel engines in case of outages

@@user-df3ty8ei2u sure but you may have noticed I never said 'perfect'.

@@lionec226 yea, so?

@@user-df3ty8ei2u so I'm not wrong.🤷🏻‍♂️

600v

@@Wpdhsx must've been facilitating whistleblowing...

Busses in this video operate under 600 V or 750 V. And they have asynchronous (induction, brushless) motors. Solaris Trollino 15 (the world's only 15 metres nonarticulated trolleybus, you can see it at time 11:33) has a 175 kW six-pole asynchronous motor with a torque of 4500 Nm.

@@rykmat2542 It is not only in the world, škoda 28tr is also 15m long trolleybus

But isn't the solrais 15 and skoda 28tr the same thing

You don't need to be on hills. Just give it some distance between the stops and a clean road.

Yes, IT Is in thé technical power in electric motors, what Is ideally componed fór thé vehicles. Matematický power Is combination od thé visit And force. In the everyday regulared power in thé Hills Slow visit generare more force in thé rotor And car have more force. In Otto And Diesel motorest IT Is NOT And driver must change thé feat gtade! In this fact Trolleybus Is BETTEER to formule F1 in accelerate feom all stations And stop points!!!

Trolleybus can still make pollution, but less than battery buses. But I agree, trolleybuses are better than battery buses, trolley buses are generally better for the environment.

Exactly kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7qUks2ct8XRl3U.html

I assume they are the best form of public transport for hilly areas. I used to live near Lausanne, Switzerland and they are used there and the whole city seems to be in a huge hill

Think trolleybuses make engineering sense for the Nat'l University of Singapore (NUS)'s shuttle buses too, given it's rugged terrain (the main campus is built on Kent Ridge). Only possible challenges I can think of is justifying the cost of the overhead wires (since bus utilisation drops sharply during weekends and university vacation (Dec & mid May-Aug)) & figuring out how to maintain the buses (the diesel shuttle buses we currently have are serviced off-site at the operator's (ComfortDelgro) HQ some ~10km away, and extending the overhead wires to there probably won't be cost effective) but given how far away the HQ is (& thus the length of dead mileage needed by the buses to go there for servicing) & the substantial fleet size of the buses (32x), I guess there can be enough justification to set up on-site maintenance facilities too (also as trolley buses have simpler drivetrains than diesel buses)

Yes, i write IT in aby other answer, DC electric motors have ideally componed Force avd visit , matematically P = F x v, thé in all mountains they have many force, when all diesel! And those do not eat aby oxygen, what Is on thé mountains problém fór diesel. I hope Good future fór trolleybuses. And with dually trolley And battery power iare still more using.

@@lzh4950 Battery backups are good enough these days that they can easily propel the trolleybus over the 10km needed to get to the maintenance facility

@@lzh4950 Trolleybuses can have small batteries for going into the depot or other routes. Can be charged while driving on trolley wires.

That is actually, why some hilly cities chose trolleys over trams.

yes

If you research MOSCOW situation where largest TB system in world eliminated. All regular service TBs were less than 8 years old. See articles on internet about Moscow corruption.

Sao Paulo (Brazil) desatictived half TB system

@@albertbenajam4751 И правильно сделали! Через 5 лет будете только на электробусах ездить

LMAO

Big thanks! Exactly said.

Please don't permit them to scrap it, especially if they're just going to replace them with diesel or gas powered buses.

Love it

The double-articulated ones are indeed impressive to watch. I see the Hess model in Bern regularly on my commute. They have almost the same capacity as the trams.

The double-articulated buses are a sight to behold. Really cool feats of engineering, and their impressive capacity is absolutely welcome to the commuter. Combine that without overhead wires and they're a wonderful transit addition to any city.

Yeah exactly. I’m from Hungary and I ride trolleybuses regularly. In some sections they accelerate from standstill to 70 km/h in seconds and then brake hard for the next station, and the stations are spaced 300 meters apart.

Translink BC? I remember being quite curious about the trolleybus wires and how they worked. They look quite cool

Thank you so much!

Great, Maybe I will visit this distant land in the future

Oh yes, on the way home you need to get back to the park as soon as possible. It’s a shame in my city, even when we drive to the park, we have to stop at schedules.

@@MrGintaras Here we have some "linie zjazdowe" - exit lines when going back to the depot, also for trolleybuses, but not every vehicle realises it. I often see buses and trolleybuses with no line sign on display or with "zjazd do zajezdni" - "on the way to depot" in the city going fast ;)

@@TheCzolgista123 Szkoda że nie spotykane jest to w Gdyni lub Sopocie. Nie wiem jak w Tychach ale jeżeli są przystanki przy bazach autobusowych czy nawet zajezdniach tramwajowych (np. w Gdańsku do Nowego Portu linia chyba 6 właśnie jedzie do zajezdni) to czemu nie tak? Może to służyć jako linia ekspresowa na żądanie.

@@MrRatchet12661 w gdyni są linie zjazdowe (710 i 723)

Really a shame these went away. Trolleybuses are very ecological

And from different countries and cities

Really yes! Many European cities are planning to build a trolleybus network from 0, or replace buses with trolleybuses

They also are better for uphill ride.

For big cities with traffic trams are being used ;)

Hallo, more od thé cities have aby trolleybus lines more 100 years And they was still modernised. And when thé concrently city publicista transport systems take to peoples good And often connecting, them they must NOT také own car. And in this fact easr cities in the Europa was better. And I know cities, where Oldřich trolley systems was destroyed And after many years thats was built AGAIN!

​@@jakubadamczyk1523 Prague builds both new tram and partial trolley bus routes. Prague lies in a system of canyons so there are a lot of steep hill climbs that destroy batteries in battery buses and are too steep for trams so there are overhead wires an absolute necessity.

Huge thank you!

Big thank you , Tigrovica!

Found you again, by the trolleybusses

@@I_drink_cocoa_with_rum I cannot feel safe under any comment section now xd

saaad.......

@@MrGintaras It gets worse, now they make a PR-stunt to push for battery busses, which cause serious environmental pollution and waste plenty of clean water. But I guess, most people don't care, when the pollution happens in the global south, but then they are appalled, when people emigrate from said south all the sudden. 🙄

@@BanBootlicking money rules people ....

Muchas gracias! Espero que en el futuro sea más fácil viajar a España en unos años!

Thank you!

Oh ye missing this sound. Video from 2018

It would be interested to see!

I visited Tallinn in 2018

Murmansk is the "Northernmost Everything" of the world. XD

Interesting definition of cute you got there

Thank you , i realy hope in the summer again come back in Czech Republic!

in most Europe cities on wire parts can move about 30-50km/h (wire crossing , wire swiches)

Thank you 🙂

Thank you! I look forward to visiting new cities

Sure! Please also cover smaller cities like Nancy, Limoges or Biel-Bienne

Nope, it is slow.

@@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter it means busses also are slow

@@MrGintaras yeah, especially if they don't have any dedicated lines.

Thank you

Damn thats slow af. In my eastern european city they just go full speed thru it

Yeee minimum 30-35km/h

Would be interested to see. I hope infuture visit some Russian cities , then it will be possible.

@@MrGintaras ok then, here is a small video (btw, these trolleybuses have a very satisfying sound to hear) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ecmolr12yb-0cY0.html

Most trolleybuses go around 40mph (60km/h) which isn’t exactly fast but damn they have fast acceleration

Cool, mine starts at 19:13 :D

The trolley buses seem to gallop in Szeged.

The most important thing is that the speed is close to the speed of the bus

@@MrGintaras Buses can break the rules and move faster than the permitted speed.

@@samantos depends where you live.

Thank you!

@@MrGintaras You're welcome!

I hope one day trolleybus will back

Seattle has repeatedly had industry based audits claim that diesels would be cheaper, only to have an actually independent audit show the trolley busses are nearly 25% cheaper than diesels taking all costs into account. Not to mention the additional savings in health costs thanks to lower emissions. Only trams can beat trolley busses, and that's only the case on very busy routes.

I have plan this year visit Milan , but still didint know how will be possible to travel in the summer

Yeah, it's really unpredictable especially when the government doesn't have a clue on what to do next with restrictions Which is a bummer, considering that Modena and Parma already withdrew their old trolleybuses while the lockdown was in place. So yeah, it is suggested to hurry up and see them all, but I really don't know when will foreigners be allowed to travel to Italy again

@@anfsabc_busotto I plan to travel during the summer if this is possible without quarantine as it will significantly shorten the list of my planned cities to visit

@@MrGintaras When travelling to Milan, don‘t forget the old trams (90 years old or so)!

@@flyhigh6088 Done :)

Tai vairuotojai tikrai pripratę važiuoti lėtai arba minimaliai greičiau . Bet nauji vairuotojai važiuoja šiek tiek greičiau . Aišku reikia apmokyti vairuotojus arba informuoti apie atnaujinta vietą.

@@MrGintaras na, bet tikėkimės, kad dauguma vairuotojų važiuos žymiai greičiau greitu metu.

Same

Poland has no intention of getting rid of them. Why would they? They invested a lot of money in their systems for them to be good

@@bazoo513 gdynia is planning to expand in the small cities around the main one (and a bigger one too) and they are already doing progress. They are even starting to make lines without overhead wires and put trolleybuses in crowded lines during rush hour

@@user-df3ty8ei2u Interesting. So, the troleybuses used there are actually battery powered with charging from the catenary where available? That's more or less what I was saying - battery electric buses where tram/light rail is not practical or is too expensive, with some kind of convenient charging system.

@@bazoo513 kind of, but they also can charge when you brake/slow down when using the overhead wires. then its 30/40 km of range without using wires. and in Poland they are both registered as buses and trolleybuses (only the ones with 30km range I think) but of course you can still use it without having the batteries charged, with the wires. If you found this interesting and wanna know more search for "gdynia super trolleybuses" (as they call them here)

@@user-df3ty8ei2u Mine was the first upvote of this interesting presentation: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b86hnrtkvZnZgGQ.html I see that Gdynia system with range extended trolleybuses, supercapacitor banks in substations etc is considered interesting pretty widely - I found many articles online. With ~30km of off-grid range they are exactly what I had in mind. I really don't get why would anyone consider such a system "old-fashioned" or "obsolete" - perhaps a reflex reaction "if it was used in Soviet times, it cannot be any good", which, of course, is ridiculous.

Flaw of electric buses is their cost - bateries will have limited life expectation, and they can triple the cost of vehicle. Plus during crash, if the batery gets damaged, the vehicle is totaled. I think there are trolleybuses with a battery system, which can go several kilometers without trolley, and then recharge from it. That solves the route flexibility issue you mentioned. I think Prague uses this technology (on very small scale as trams are historicaly dominant there). Theoreticaly this allows to enter historic centers without cables, or easily cross trainline/tramline, or even go on highway sections where trolleys are impossible to build.

Trolleys have batteries. My city has 40Km lithium ion ones

@@Pyrochemik007 Most newer Swiss Trolleys have small batteries to bridge parts without overhead wires. I accidentally live right next to such a trolley bus line.

Its true!

Electric buses don't have particulates, not even when braking thanks to regenerative braking

@@Moses_VII What I'm referring to is that rubber tires, as opposed to train wheels, whip up particles from the road surface which become airborne and end up in people's lungs.

@@samuzamu well inhaling small iron pieces from tram wheels can't be good long term also

@@user-df3ty8ei2u True but based on the much lower rolling resistance of steel wheels on track, I think they would produce much less particulates than fast-wearing rubber tires on tarmac. Just an uninformed guess though.

@@samuzamu maybe you are right idk

Most trolleybuses can also operate wire free where it needs to so for eg. When it goes into the historic city center or a place that isn’t served that frequently

@@CreatorPolar , Wow! It's so great‼︎ Thank you so much for your information.

This tram-bus trolley is also found in Geneva although a little shorter

Oh ye

Full video can find in my video list

На самом деле очень жаль ....

Sadly today only three town's in Poland still have Trolleybuses. 1) Gdynia. 2) Lublin 3) Tychy. Germany also has only three surviving systems. One of which Esslingen is just a single route. Austria only two. Linz very nearly followed Innsbruck a few years ago. The best countries for trolleybuses outside the former USSR and China are The Czech Republic, Italy, Slovakia and Switzerland. Most regrettably since 1972 There have been no operational systems in the UK. In the USA there are five. 1) Boston. 2) Dayton. 3) Philadelphia. 4) San Francisco. 5) Seattle. Thank you very much for this exciting video.

Thanks for the details!

@@nicholaskelly6375 What I always heard is: trolleybus networks are horribly expensive to maintain, which is the main reason why they have disappeared from a lot of cities

@@PolosLatinos Not really The main reason for closures was cheap oil. Also in the UK another very significant reason was due to the nationalisation of the electricity industry in 1948. This was a major factor in the the closure of UK tram and trolleybus systems post WW II. One issue was government policy. When the coal industry had been nationalised the previous year it was discovered that the coal companies had opened new mines and inflated their value to increase the compensation paid by the government. Well to prevent such abuses when the electricity industry was nationalised the government introduced legislation which only made them liable to pay compensation on assets that were in place on the last day of the last full pre war financial year ie in April 1939. This proved to be a major problem for the power station owners who were very often the local authorities. Take what happened in Brighton my birthplace. Work had begun on building the new 480MW 'Brighton B' station in 1941. By 1948 some £125,000 had been spent. Brighton Corporation never received a penny of this. Portsmouth was in an even worse position as it's power station had been completely destroyed during The Blitz and a new power station was built in 1943. Also two colliers were ordered 'Pompey Light' & 'Pompey Power' (one of which is preserved in Norway) Again Portsmouth Corporation lost a lot of money over this. Even worse was to come. Pre nationalisation where the power station and the tramway/trolleybus system had the same owner it was simply a "paper transaction" between the two branches. That all changed in 1948! Suddenly the tramway and trolleybus operators had to pay real money for the electricity! This in turn led to more and more systems closing. At the time oil was very cheap and pollution caused by motor vehicles was by and large less of an issue. Sometimes systems could continue to operate using "Third party electricity" supplied by local heavy industry etc etc. This loophole was closed by the Macmillan government in the early 1960's when it became illegal for third party generators to supply anyone except the national grid. You could generate for your own needs but you could no longer supply a third party. In fact you couldn't even give the electricity free. This was part of the reason a number of systems closed. The final killer was that the steel industry stopped rolling tram rail (The sole reason Blackpool Tramway survived was because it had due to an accounting error massively over ordered rail and the Steel Works in Workington allowed Blackpool Corporation to buy rail when they actually required it!) Then in the mid 1960's the only surviving manafacturer of overhead BICC announced that it would cease making or supplying it. Yes you could import but post war governments wanted to keep import spending to an absolute minimum. Even the armed forces and the state owned companies were not exempt from high levels of import duty and tax. The last UK Trolleybus system Bradford closed in March 1972. In truth a modern well designed overhead system can easily be offset by the savings on fuel costs over time. As oil might have been very cheap in the 1950's & 1960's. However this is no longer the case!

@@nicholaskelly6375 Thanks for your interesting insights!