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Maybe Achilles should’ve taught him how to fight with a shield

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They're in Malta if you want to come see them. Troy was filmed here in Malta.

@@johnportelli3035 Would that make the Mycenaean ruins?

@@johnportelli3035 what about the cost of living in Greece? Is it good ?

That's soldiering ✌😎

Had a worse fate ahead of him.

But it was thousands years ago, so he is already dead...

Would've been a great movie Hollywood really missed the boat on that one!

My dumbass read Mr. Bean and spent five minutes trying to find Rowan Atkinson in the background.

the whole movie was brilliant

Agreed. Even the most flamboyant moves are often inside striking range, and there's a 10% practicality sense. Other films today just hammer, or make wide swings that wouldn't land or reach a target (The Last Jedi + Rise of SKywalker + Game of Thrones season 5-8)

Nothing like the C- grade stuff from today. In this film the actors were consistent in range to hit somebody with their props, not flailing too far out of range to even be a threat (cough* Last Jedi cough*cough* &--cough* Rise of Sky--cough*Skywa--) man, I'm still allergic to that film.

Thats why legolas kill Achilles

Lmao

Fake, he is getting him to join his guard to march into King’s Landing

@@joseantonioamayaalvarado6744 me and my family won

He's gonna convince him to join The Night's Watch

The tradition lives on.

Underrated comment!

Well, he knows that Achilles intentionally missed that spear, so of course he'll be smilling.

Oddyseus has seen some fair portion of the world himself, he's not soft

3 javelins a minute in any weather

Actually it was in original script but director decided it would be too banal move with Shawn Bean's role.

I guess the Trojan war goes very differently then.

@@Dr.Harvey Okay, this one got me :D

Oh shit!!!! OMG I’m so sorry!!! OMG

That would mess up the script.

Goading Patroclus. He could probably tell Patroclus was trying to control the tempo of the fight by drawing him in. By refusing to go along and goading Patroclus into attacking, he regains control of the tempo. His advice to Patroclus after, "Never hesitate", backs this up, because had Patroclus attacked as soon as Achilles slowed his pursuit, he might have been able to press an advantage, but he hesitated because Achilles deviated from what he planned to draw him into.

@@perrycarters3113 Im pretty sure he had itch

Thats because he is gay. And so are you.

Everybody who knows Iliad knows that they were lovers.

I doubt the average movie goer realizes their relationship was homosexual.

"Nervous? 😏" "Petrified. 😏" That exchange alone is brimming with sexual tension that isn't so much sapphic coding as sapphic subtitling.

I slightly disagree, as did some people in antiquity. It's not explicitly stated that they were lovers, but they most certainly weren't cousins. It could have been a very close platonic (haha) friendship. Either way, the decision to make Patroclus the cousin was obviously made to avoid gay connotations. I would've much preferred it if they had kept the original ambiguity.

@@bsseb2914 There's enough gay erasure and cringey whitewashing in media already. When Patroclus died, Achilles falls into inconsolable mourning, flies into a grief-stricken rage, kills fuckin' everybody, and makes a pact with Patroclus' ghost that their bones will be intertwined together in burial. Only a coward could look at that relationship, and go "Yep, for a modern retelling there's nothing romantic to read there! Platonic! Best buddies! Close chums! Just like Sappho! Gal-Pals all around!" We should leave the pearl-clutching back with the powdered wigs. Achilles and Patroclus are gay as hell. Besides, Plato agrees :)

I feel that way, too, somehow.

@@bolothetitan5009 yeah like this was before the Time of Alexander the great you know he referenced the glory of Achilles

Troy was pre Sea People, so we're talking the days of the early Bronze Age. Kind of insane when you think about it.

@@firingallcylinders2949 yeah

Come now, this movie isn’t even that old…

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Lmao ok friend

LMFAOOOO They were roommates you're right ;))) they even slept in the same bed yk? VERY close ones ;)))

Just a couple of guys

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You can believe sick lies all you want in order to feel good about your sickness your decadent barbarian. They were true men brother bound by the sacred institution of friendship. Keep those great men out of your sick mouth.

Yes. Couldnt be better.

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True. THeir relationship also depends on the writer or the tale told. In the Classical period, other playwrights wrote and had different "episodes" of the Trojan War done; something like modern fanfiction today. Each individual introduced something slightly new. In Homer's works (The Iliad & the Odyssey), Achilles and Patroclus are extremely close, maybe cousins (depending on the transcriber for English, Italian, French ,etc.). They were lovers in Aeschylus' tragedy about the Trojan War, but Hesiod casted them as cousins (Patroclus' father Menoetius as a brother of Peleus, the father of Achilles). And all of these variations span different works written between 100, 200, or 400 years apart. TROY decided to cast them as cousin, and give spotlight to Achilles & Briseis; plus Brad Pitt's reaction to learning his cousin, likely his charge or adopted son, had died is no less intense.

You can believe sick lies all you want in order to feel good about your sickness your decadent barbarian. They were true men brother bound by the sacred institution of friendship. Keep those great men out of your sick mouth.

And yet pretty much everyone else did.

@@vladislavsimovic1164 Seems that way

That's why this film sucks

sean bean's plot armor isn't strong enough to survive all the perils odysseus is supposed to conquer

They still could make the movie of the Odyssey with Sean Bean. The Trojan war lasted years. And it’s been years since the movie Troy was made. So Sean Bean would be about the right age to make the movie of The Odyssey and King Odysseus’s voyage home and his fight with the suitors and later life.

Battles*

True. Bit of an insult to Agamemnon as a Homeric character, though. The guy was prideful, an overprotective brother to his hot-headed sibling Menelaus, a reasonable dude 80% of the time whom sacrificed and lost a lot for the sake of the war (his daughter, men, and later got murdered upon returning home), and in the Iliad Agamemnon did fight on the front lines. Even Athena in a passage of Homer's work intervened to stop Agamemnon and Achilles from drawing weapons against each other out of worry they would kill one another.....think about that a second.

​@geoffreyedgson7875 I like how u called menelaus "hot-headed" 😂😂. He was a honourable man tho

That is bullshit and false (anyone can easily find the original screenplay of this movie), but a good meme of Sean Bean's characters dying in their movies and TV shows. But why are there people that are addicted to lying? Why tell a pointless lie?

Can‘t you take a joke? Everyone knows Sean Bean dies in every movie, but also Odysseus is pretty much the only one who survives the Trojan War

knowing the mythology, it could never happen, since Ulysses had the mission of convincing Achilles to participate in the Battle and, once he was dead, there would be no Trojan War without the decisive participation of Achilles and especially of Ulysses himself. Just a detail, did you notice Achilles' robes? Yes they are female, it was his mother's strategy, the goddess Thetis, that Achilles remained hidden on the island of Cyros, disguised as a muse, adopting the name of Pyrrha (redhead), so that he would not be enlisted in the war. Which is why ulysses goes after him. big hug

🤣🤣🤣 good one

@@nocare8830 He's joking....

Yeah. They ruin several of the later climatic scenes by overdoing the music, too. The biggest one is the Achilles vs Hector duel. In the theatrical release they fight to this great, minimalist drum track. In the directors cut they replace it with this overblown orchestral piece which is infinitely worse.

@@DRACONAR1US the music used on achilles vs hector fight is from the planet of apes 2001 theme

Its directors cut. His choice of music. I loved the count snd troy both legendary movies of the 2000s wh3erln movies were amazing

@@guilhermedinizdosreis24 Yeah, so weird.

I actually think this music works better for this scene because it makes the scene feel more playful, as it should

Stop it!

@@kokobean5921 stop what

Ehhhh....not entirely. Achilles and Patroclus, their relationship depends on the writer or the tale told. In the Greek Classical period, other playwrights wrote and had different "episodes" of the Trojan War done; something like modern fanfiction today. Each individual introduced something slightly new. In Homer's works (The Iliad & the Odyssey), Achilles and Patroclus are extremely close, maybe cousins (depending on the transcriber for English, Italian, French,etc.). They were lovers in Aeschylus' tragedy about the Trojan War, but Hesiod cast them as cousins (Patroclus' father Menoetius as a brother of Peleus, the father of Achilles). And all of these variations span different works written or composed between 100, 200, or 400 years apart. Even the Illiad likely was told and retold by word-of-mouth for a century before anybody wrote it down. Heck, TROY as a movie can be seen as a legacy of those writers, made for present entertainment. SOmething aren't "hsitorical/mythologically accurate," but from how often this story has been told and retold...what's the big whop?

Oh god your offended

@@dad4805 Not offened. Just very, particular. Kind of ironic from the topic of this thread.

He doesn’t know you exist

They really should have talked Brad Pitt into taking the roll of Jaime Lannister. It would be a buck-full of Dramatic irony to have Pitt and Sean Bean to have their own duel and then remain recurring enemies in Game of Thrones.

Ned Stark comes to convince Achilles to take the ring from Frodo, that's why Legolas kills Achilles at the sack of troy.

@@DaHobbitification 😂😂🤣😁 Okay, that is kinda good.

Not to mention Sean bean lives 😂😒

@@kkandsims4612 true! One of the rare ones!

You need to get out more. 🙃

Your wish has come to ripe fruition.

@@bestcoastsxmcp i can now

It's a copy of oriental martial art

The choreography is amazing in the fight of anakin vs obi wan too in revenge of the sith

Lmao

He was drilled after this scene..

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You mean Achilles's cousin, Patroclus.

@@abhinavdangwal6180 yeah. My bad for calling him Troy.

Hector was no slouch. I don't think it would have mattered how skilled Patriculous was, he stood no chance.

The movie yes. The book no.

No he died because he was supposed.

How would you feel if your love or side piece was killed?

Cause he was his best friend

@@akisgrigoriou7391 lover*

@@Hmm-qu2og When did Homer mentioned that??

@@akisgrigoriou7391 “Homer never explicitly casts the two as lovers, but they were depicted as lovers in the archaic and classical periods of Greek literature, particularly in the works of Aeschylus, Aeschines and Plato” from the Wikipedia. If you would like to know more then do your own research. I’m sorry english is not my native language, so I don’t think I would be that great at explaining, but google is always there to help!.

Just wait for the remake in 10 years, they will show greeks and spartans going up in the mountains to "get to know each other"..

Thanks??? People get angry because they portray Achilles as black but are happy when they make him straight. It seems historical accuracy only works in one way.

They still look it

From a commercial standpoint it might be right, but it is mile away from the original source material in terms of the relation of Patroklos and Achilleus. The film was shot in 2004, most parts of the society had a more than questionable view on homosexuality. So in order to make money with the ovie zhey chose to put Pitt in it and cross out or rewrite the ,,problematic parts". In terms of the original telling it is safe to asume that Achilleus and Patroklos were lovers (Platon, Martian and others for reference). If you look at it from a financial perspective: it was made very well. If you look at it from a historical perspective: it is most-likely garbage.

They could have been ruins from an earlier time?

@@ToDDHeaDD ??? Are you serious??? Do you know the history of Greece? Do you know in which historical period the Troy war takes place? Do you know ancient architecture? Hollywood has done it many many times!

@@paponeable Yes I do, but apparently you don't. Ancient Greek culture contains thousands of years. It wasn't all built at the same time.

@@ToDDHeaDD Listen, you simply don’t have a clue of what you’re talking about! There’s nothing wrong in making a mistake…, what is wrong and yet childish is to keep proving an existent point! From an Archeologist and history major…

@@paponeable It's kind of sad that you claim to be an archeologist, yet know so little about history. It's not just history you're lacking in, it's basic common sense. Historic eras happen over periods of time, not at one single day. And as far as you go back within the bronze age, there was always an older building. Now if you had argued, that the specific style of the building does not match the corresponding era the movie is set to take place, that would be a different story. But that wasn't your argument.

that is the correct way to train.

@@scatterthewinds3126 why people are so dumb nowadays to not understand sarcasm?

R u joking, right??

Wooden swords a long used technique. Wooden swords are dangerous and can kill. Most famous duel in history was wood against metal. Metal swords feel heavier and move faster. Nothing like fighting with metal long swords and feeling the striking power as sparks fly...except maybe horse back archery...and other thangs. I imagine a sharp edge makes a difference too.

@@scatterthewinds3126 For young boys perhaps. He needs to get used to the weight, how to wield a real sword in order to be a good swordsman.

To be fair, in antiquity, those two things need not be mutually exclusive. Marrying your cousin was by no means taboo or an unfrequent occurrence. Different times, different norms

it was the norm back then to be casual about it , they even considered being just a heterosexual man is strange and weird, just like these days so i think it's not different at all it's just history repeating itself, i was just making the gesture movie wise since it was made way before the Rainbow era and there was no way to introduce an openly gay protagonist in a movie.