True Detective Season 2 | An Incomprehensible Disaster

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(SPOILERS: True Detective (Seasons 1 & 2), Chinatown, L.A. Confidential)
True Detective Season 2, which at one point was one of the most highly anticipated seasons of television in recent memory, upon its airing, solidified itself as one of the most egregiously disappointing seasons of television in history. And we’re here to discuss why. In this video, I will go over the season as a whole, analyzing the plot, storytelling, characters, and more in order to outline how it ended up an incomprehensible disaster.
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[00:00:00] - Intro/Shoutouts
[00:02:13] - The Defense
[00:07:47] - The Plot
[00:25:21] - The Storytelling
[00:37:00] - The Editing
[00:47:36] - The Dialogue
[00:51:16] - The Characters
[00:53:47] - Woodrugh
[00:58:14] - Bezzerides
[01:04:39] - Frank
[01:11:36] - Velcoro
[01:18:12] - Conclusion
[01:23:23] - Outro/Patrons
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@Zodezz94 Жыл бұрын

I heard they made the actor that plays Caspere shit his pants while he was playing dead so he would be less willing to move and get poop on him. Crazy directing techniques!

@MacabreStorytelling Жыл бұрын

aCtInG

@BlackTestament Жыл бұрын

more like abusive directing techniques i hate how hostile work environments like that are just kinda…. glossed over

@TheOrian34 Жыл бұрын

Were they taught by Jared Leto?

@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын

That seems highly unhealthy…also unnecessary

@LSB44446 Жыл бұрын

@@BlackTestament I'd shit my pants for acting pay

@benjamingentile1660 Жыл бұрын

Clearly Nic Pizzolatto loved writing that overdone dialogue for Rust in season 1. The difference, and what made that work so well, is all of Rust’s pretension and pessimistic philosophy spouting was revealed to be a coping mechanism for dealing with his daughter passing. It’s not something you can just throw on any old character and make it work.

@Vashthestampede967 Жыл бұрын

Kinda its more that what made rust cole work was that there was a clear idea of who he is and what dynamics he had. In this season? I only know whats happening from wikipedia.

@earlpipe9713 Жыл бұрын

Overwrought/stylized dialogue coulda been the noir influence too

@SphenForTheWin Жыл бұрын

Matthew also wrote tons of pages on the character as a personal study before starting filming. The actor alsp goes a long way towards making the dialogue believable.

@TempestRequiem0 Жыл бұрын

Rust was also amazingly counter balanced by Marty which made for some hilarious comedic moments in the first few episodes.

@benjamingentile1660 Жыл бұрын

@@earlpipe9713 for sure but in a modern show or movie you have motivate that in a realistic way

@cloudsombrero Жыл бұрын

ill still die on the hill that colin farrell carried this season

@MacabreStorytelling Жыл бұрын

Objectively correct

@ARTHURDASILVEIRAFORTES2023 Жыл бұрын

@@MacabreStorytellingColin Farrell is truly underrated. Great videos as usual, Mr. Storytelling, some suggestions I think would be cool to see are: Finale Face off between The Shield and The Wire finales, the repugnancy of Clay Morrow, face off between Antz and A Bug's Life, and some underrated shows I think you would like are Legion, Terriers and Venture Bros. Keep up the good work, Mr. Storytelling. Also, I already saw L.A. Confidental and it is great, maybe you should make a full analysis about the movie.

@SethHMG Жыл бұрын

I’d watch an entire show about Ray Velcoro

@earlpipe9713 Жыл бұрын

I think the Alexander movie he starred/was miscast in unfairly earned him a kinda critical reputation as an acting lightweight for a period of his career, til he proved just how absurd that view of him was.

@reginaphalange9417 11 ай бұрын

@@earlpipe9713 in Alexander one problem is the attempt to make Farell look that blond, it looks artificial and awful and it would have been better to keep darker hair even if it didn't match the historical representations of Alexander

@marekkapusta7825 Жыл бұрын

This season had some great moments and huge potential. It was just undercooked. It gave me blueballs, but like in my soul.

@chriscarter2509 9 ай бұрын

I see what you did there

@ljc3484 5 ай бұрын

😂

@jakek1735 3 ай бұрын

My friends wanted to stop watching halfway through, I said "No, there's potential here". But it just shit my carpet.

@macfilms9904 Жыл бұрын

So I was at HBO while all of this went down. Season 1 was the best pilot script that ever crossed my desk - I read it and instantly wanted to see more. You are correct in identifying one of the big problems: HBO didn't give Nic the time he needed to develop Season 2 - we had un unexpected hit & wanted to instantly follow it up. Another problem was Michael Lombardo - he was my boss for a decade in Business Affairs & after Chris Albrecht's unfortunate departure, Mike ended up on top. But he wasn't a creative guy, he was a lawyer. And a lawyer wasn't able to guide Season 2's development. Season 2 needed fewer main characters and a more coherent storyline.

@MacabreStorytelling Жыл бұрын

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@Pastmistakes414 11 ай бұрын

I mean that and the writer of the first season plagerized how many of those dialogues Ligotti the philosopher wrote

@derekkras 8 ай бұрын

the main problem is the casting , there is not believable characters , hiring the wedding crashers for NOIR movie ? Mc Adams i mean come on , she smiles all the time even if she doesnt ,

@kayjayhay 8 ай бұрын

@@derekkrasto be fair, Vince Vaughn has played serious characters before this role. There was his role in Clay Pigeons, and at least one romantic drama role as a single dad in A Cool, Dry Place. Type-casting comedic actors is a problem, in part because often good comedic actors have strong understanding of what makes a thing funny. And ironically, it's often tragedy or fear flipped on its ear. I think this was just a bad show that didn't let his acting against type pay off. Stunt casting only works if you know what you're doing and know how to use audience perception against them, and this show didn't have the first part even if it had the second. Rachel McAdams is actually pretty solid, she just struggles with picking projects that resonate when they're against type. She can do serious thriller roles like she did in Red Eye, the writing just wasn't there to pick up any slack that might make her unbelievable as a hardened cop with self destructive tendencies.

@derekkras 8 ай бұрын

@@Pastmistakes414 examples?

@ActualHonestReporting 8 ай бұрын

Velcoro beating the crap out of Aspen’s dad to teach him to stop bullying other kids was the joint fury of all fathers of bullied children captured in one scene.

@hashvendetta7226 8 ай бұрын

It also contributes nothing to the story

@HHTwice 7 ай бұрын

@@hashvendetta7226so what? It was a great scene that had a level of build up and payoff to it

@hashvendetta7226 7 ай бұрын

@@HHTwice no it doesn't

@HHTwice 7 ай бұрын

@@hashvendetta7226 yes it did

@hashvendetta7226 7 ай бұрын

@@HHTwice nah

@nabetse1999 Жыл бұрын

Vince Vaughn's Frank is one of my favouirte characters in any TV show ever. He is freaking hilarious in every scene he's in, he says the wildest shit all the time, and dispite constantly being fucked over and bullied, he keeps steamrolling through it all. I honestly think Vaughn did a great job and the character feels flawed, charismatic, and menacing at the same time. He’s the embodiment of “Fuck it, we ball.”

@MrStupididy Жыл бұрын

watch him in dragged across concrete and cell-block 99 he's a monster(in a good way)

@CircuitRider Жыл бұрын

I kind of hated Vaughn in this initially but his performance and character really grew on me on re-watches. His last scene is actually really beautifully tragic, and Frank’s relationship with his wife was surprisingly moving considering a lot of the dialogue was over cooked. It’s very noir meets David Milch-speak. People say everyone in S2 talks like that but I think it’s mostly Frank tbh. Ray and Ani get some Rust-isms but aren’t nearly as verbose and faux-intellectual as Frank.

@DaveyFish1 Жыл бұрын

@@chonchjohnchI would be too if I had people claiming they were my cousin

@fangal12 Жыл бұрын

@@DaveyFish1 Vince Vaughn: I don't know you and we're not related. Random commenter's half brother: He's my cousin but he's kind of arrogant

@earlpipe9713 Жыл бұрын

You're not kidding about the "keeps steamrolling along" part - he kept moving forward even after his own death!

@ericthomas6726 7 ай бұрын

"You don't remember memories, they remember you," sounds like some shit Matthew McConaughey would say.

@KrolKaz 3 ай бұрын

Hhehehe allllright 😎

@augoosto11 Жыл бұрын

I'm embarrassed to admit "that's one off the bucket list, Mexican stand-off with actual Mexicans" actually made me laugh

@PViolety Жыл бұрын

“Never do anything out of hunger, not even eating.”

@MacabreStorytelling Жыл бұрын

Caspere clearly didn’t know this

@thirdguy4589 3 ай бұрын

Imagine not understand what this line says about the character. Linear reddit brains will never understand

@Gofaw 3 ай бұрын

@@thirdguy4589i think it's mostly reddit people that shit on season 2, I guess not having le epic atheist philosopher spewing edgy lines is all it takes for them to not like something

@dayne6475 2 ай бұрын

do people actually dislike this quote? Its obviously not life changing wisdom but I think its funny and fits Frank really well while not being dumb either, its makes sense and explains his philosophy a bit

@Agnes1322 Ай бұрын

I love Frank so much, not even joking

@Wyllies11 11 ай бұрын

What I am hearing is they need to do a meta True Detective series where Carey and Nic are the partners trying to work together.

@Ptrm594 5 ай бұрын

As long as Pizzolato dies in he end, and horribly. He's an extraordinarily irritating person. He spent a decade writing one story, much of it lifted from other places, and that became season 1. He even published it into a novel with different names for the characters but essentially the same characters and themes. He was hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Cary Joji, on the other hand, had made brilliant work before TD and kept doing so afterward. Pizzolato just isn't very creative and isn't a very good writer. Imagine asking him to write a happy show with well adjusted characters. Say, a story about tv executives in the 90s or something very different. If he was good, he could do that, but he's not and it'd just be all about how the executives are tortured souls and blah blah blah, the one note he spent a decade (with his buddy who he threw under the bus) creating. He's unimaginative, but worse, he's just an incredibly annoying person. Self absorbed is far too mild an expression for him. But if he and Cary Joji did a show about themselves, Pizzolato would have to be the Rust Cohle badass, knows how to interrogate, knows how to hunt and track like a freaking Recon Marine, tough as nails, tortured, can't sleep but toughs it out, etc etc. Someone else would have to write it. Pizzolato should never be allowed to write anything again. After you learn, if that's possible, the season 2 plot, one is forced to come to that conclusion. Cary Joji could write it. It'd actually be interesting if he did. But almost anyone else could too. As long as Pizzolato isn't involved it could turn out to be a pretty interesting little concept.

@John_Notmylastname Жыл бұрын

One thing that is often overlooked when comparing the two seasons is the setting. Having season one set in Louisiana was a perfect place for that story to be told. Can you imagine how boring it would have been if it had been set in New York or Chicago? Using a place that most Americans simply don’t see in film was an incredible decision. There was a lot of attention to detail in the first season because you had this rich and deep culture to draw from which made it that much more believable. God damn that first season was so good lol.

@marksmith3991 10 ай бұрын

Could have gone with Florida the hurricane rating keeps the architecture set in the mid 70s and not have had Vince Vaughn love him but he's a crasher

@Thor-Orion 9 ай бұрын

Nic also grew up there. He knew how to make Louisiana Bayou into it’s own character, much like David Simon knows Baltimore and brought that to life as a character in The Wire. There’s an intimacy of familiarity that enables an artist to capture the nature of the thing in a way that is both personal and universal.

@al1665 8 ай бұрын

They had to shoot it there, it's Southern Gothic at its finest.

@Thor-Orion 8 ай бұрын

@@al1665 I mean aesthetically, obviously. But as I stated Nic is a Louisiana native, the entire story is built around the personality of the location.

@zanpakutoman4225 2 ай бұрын

So, I just started watching True Detective and I noticed this immediately. I think a True Detective story in a sunny environment is possible, but they're still trying to act like it's an abandoned and empty shell of a place. When they're walking through Caspere's home the music is ominous and scary. But, the setting is brightly lit, with sunlight coming through pretty much every angle. It made me think of how scary it was just seeing Rust explore the abandoned school.

@donkeysaurusrex7881 4 ай бұрын

I want True Detective Season 5 to be about investigating Velcoro beating up that kid’s dad, and they solve the case only to run smackdab into the nonsense that is Season 2’s plot.

@VideoHostSite 10 ай бұрын

They really needed to just cut the entire Taylor Kitsch subplot. It added nothing, and some of the worst plot holes occur during it. Like the "we can't find him in the incredible maze of sewer tunnels... er, wait, the bad guy will somehow magically know exactly where Kitsch will exit the tunnels."

@chucklebutt4470 10 ай бұрын

I had a few years of bad insomnia where I was taking Ambien almost every night and watched this show during that time. For the longest time I thought it was just a weird dream I had about some show and didn't think it actually existed.

@icchampion5 Жыл бұрын

Goddam. I can see why Pizzolatto. NEEDED to be reigned in with this. Within 25 minutes of you explaining the plot, I was like "damn, certain things needed to get cut and organized." If the plot would've focused on the events of 1992, season 2 could've been better, if not coherent.

@Blexg Жыл бұрын

yeah, listening to him explain the plot made me think that a plot this complex can only really be communicated across like 4 seasons, not 8 episodes

@nicanornunez9787 Жыл бұрын

At least 16 episodes and 2 seasons, but probably even with that it would needed to be rewritten.

@ShaneMichealCupp Жыл бұрын

Because all the characters are dead. “Western Book of the Dead” is the name of the first episodes. This whole season is about 3 dead souls making there way to the afterlife. The guy who made this video is a dick.

@kayjayhay 8 ай бұрын

S2 could have been set in '92 and S3 could have been present day and it would have worked as both an anthology and a noir mystery with overarching themes. Instead it's a sausage about to split its casing, its so full of plot. It doesn't take a second to just breathe which is part of why the pacing is all over the place.

@valentinegonsalves7322 6 ай бұрын

Its starts off like its gonna be this divorced cop and the female detective. Then its about murder and land deals and railroads and corrupt government. They could've ended there. But then it becomes about drugs and prostitution and LA Confidential-style massacres amd shit. I hated the damned plot. My favourite part was the character moments. Colin Farrell starts off bad but crushed it by the end. Rachel McAdams wears one expression the whole show, but damn, her story is pretty dark also. Vince Vaughn was great. But I wanted him to spill more blood. He didn't come across as a mob boss at all. Loved how Kelly Reilly's Jordan is ride-or-die till the end. Woodrugh was just wasted. I like how bleak and dark the show is. You will never see grape be the backstory for several characters and handled in such a nuanced way without being fucking cheesy and just a revenge plot. But there were too many pieces. Not enough time. This should've been 16 episodes. Not 8

@Iknowwhereyoulive66 Жыл бұрын

"You know in the sixties NASA spent millions of taxpayer dollars to invent a pen that works in space. Millions of dollars for a pen that works upside down. You know what the Russians did Ray? They used a fucking pencil. That's what the Russians do Ray, they think they can erase anything that they've written down. Caspere knew this. But what the fuck did he know right? He's dead for fuck's sake."

@shadowxps Жыл бұрын

I think your point about scenes and sequences is really good. A lot of people demonstrate the innate desire to complete the sequence independently. When you look up the bully scene most videos cut it together as one sequence.

@MacabreStorytelling Жыл бұрын

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@coollemon7607 Жыл бұрын

So glad someone pointed out the similarities between Ellroy's novels and this season! Season 1 took elements from L.A Confidential (the false arrest, the conspiracy, etc), but season 2 was like watching an adaptation of The Big Nowhere that was changing just enough elements so the creator wouldn't get sued.

@powerbite92 Жыл бұрын

Pizzolatto was obviously ripping off a lot of previous material.

@valentinegonsalves7322 6 ай бұрын

Season 2 has the whole B plot be just the massacre from LA Confidential. I mean what the hell. 1992-riots? Diamond heist? Bent cops and LA Admin? Come on, man! When they made it about land deals, I expected either there's be a mass grave somewhere, or they actually found diamonds in the mines that were shut down. Like a good old western. P.S. LA in this season doesn't feel like a cool setting. Louisiana was scary and had a life of its own. Like the forests and cabins and shit! LA is just factories and city lights and waste plants. Why even show any of that?

@YungM.D. Жыл бұрын

Season 1 was too good for its own sake as an anthology Season 2 had more traditional TV season writing process, written in a year with more writers and more directors vs. Pizzolatto writing it all himself over the course of a decade, slowly refining it and pairing with a singular visionary as a director for the whole season. It might even be considered ‘good’ if not for that stellar first season Edit: also my favorite random Seymon quote, was when he was taking the dudes grills out and he just goes “Never liked these things. What kind of way is that to greet the world?” Just a bit out of pocket while you’re being a vicious gangster Also the fact Pizolatto used ‘grape as backstory’ for not one but two lead characters (Bezzerides AND Velcoro) is insane And Velcoro’s last message not going through due to lack of signal was just needlessly cruel

@earlpipe9713 Жыл бұрын

The online hyperbolic hate machine didn't help at the time either

@NelsonStJames Жыл бұрын

Yep. The lighting-in-a-bottle syndrome has been the downfall of many a film and television series, and you can count the number of franchises that avoided it on two hands with fingers left over.

@ripwednesdayadams 11 ай бұрын

Bezzerides could have been interesting if she was written by an actual woman. Instead she came off as a trope- yet another female character that was stripped of everything remotely feminine about her. Also Cary Fukunaga is a genius and was sorely missed from s2.

@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult 10 ай бұрын

@@ripwednesdayadamsYeah, I agree that Cary was missed. Some of the acting was too flat - and I know the actors were good, so it must have been a directing problem. The editing was so choppy and weird too.

@HHTwice 7 ай бұрын

⁠@@ripwednesdayadamsshe was a childhood rape victim survivor and she carried that with her throughout her entire life, her behavior made sense, if a woman wrote her trauma would have been her entire character

@Tepes1980 Жыл бұрын

I actually remembered Tasha much better than the rest, because she was the one described in a different way from the others. The others were all humans, but Tasha was just a drawing.

@jaytonius560 Жыл бұрын

Only a few minutes into you explaining Season 2’s plot and I’m already lost… 😵‍💫

@OlYables Жыл бұрын

Yeah wow lol - convoluted is putting it lightly.

@SethHMG Жыл бұрын

“I’m feeling a little apoplectic myself” “Then go stand in front of a tank” “Life is a 20-piece chicken McNugget meal…Caspere knew this.” I’m dying

@KrolKaz 3 ай бұрын

Whoever invented chicken nuggets, yo he off the hook

@kinghadbar Жыл бұрын

I was so confident at the beginning of the video that I would have survived that hostage scenario but it’s scary how I didn’t remember any of that diamond shit.

@naplockblubba5369 10 ай бұрын

I've watched this video 3 times and still have yet to figure out when parents of the people who killed Caspere died

@eviekims 9 ай бұрын

@@naplockblubba5369when they were robbed of the diamonds they were also executed in the store in front of the kids. the security cam videotapes were removed afterward to prevent evidence surfacing

@Bwoodlyy Жыл бұрын

Fantastic job talking about Season 2 in a fair light. My OCD didn’t allow me to skip the season even tho it’s an anthology. Honestly for the first 2 episodes I was ready to say the hate was overblown and that it was just still good just not great. Obviously the season collapsed under all the pressure but there is still genuinely something there. Even after the disgusting taste the finale left in my mouth I didn’t regret watching it at all. Matter of fact I found it to be vital in viewing S3 as without that stumble in the middle it’s a little harder to appreciate S3 for what it does. Really wish they took more time on this season because the cast is stacked and they really could’ve had a crazy ensemble of characters.

@Thor-Orion 9 ай бұрын

I just made this same point. About season 2 being worth watching to put 3 in proper context of what it does for the show

@fire_rises Жыл бұрын

Okay stop ✋️ Frank's "out of pocket" lines were the best lines in the movie. "I'm Chinese not Korean" "OK go stand in front of a tank" Bro that's really funny 😁 😂

@gianni206 10 ай бұрын

So true. Even Caspere knew this.

@Ptrm594 5 ай бұрын

Why does he even mention Khe Sanh if the dude is Korean ? Khe Sanh is in Vietnam.

@gregorysgarrison Жыл бұрын

A lot of shows are doing that extremely annoying editing where they bounce back and forth in the middle of scenes.

@MacabreStorytelling Жыл бұрын

I honestly don’t get it. It’s infuriating.

@Megabomberman87 Жыл бұрын

They don't trust the attention spans of modern audiences and they are possibly right. I recently revisited The Conversation (Hackman) and couldn't get over how patient the editing was, real slow burn stuff. Lynch appears to be one of the only modern directors who sticks to his guns and says to his audience take it or leave it.

@exnihilonihilfit6316 9 ай бұрын

It's for the TikTok kids, yes...

@scizophreniafriend Жыл бұрын

Every time I see an upload from you it’s a treat for sure. You inspire me in my early storytelling career to refine what little craft I have, and most of all push me to understand and analyze my favorite pieces of art.

@weareallbronies9031 Жыл бұрын

It's always a rare treat when macbre storytelling uploads.

@nestorarranz3179 Жыл бұрын

Its pretty clear shit hit the fan when It took like 8 characters to get to the first main character

@MacabreStorytelling Жыл бұрын

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@jakek1735 Жыл бұрын

Here's a good question I don't hear anyone asking: how are the diamonds even still in Caspere's posession after all this time? Like, if the four of them used the diamonds as bribes to secure positions of power in Vinci, doesn't that mean that... like, they USED the diamonds? And even if we assume maybe they didn't need ALL the diamonds to do what they wanted, why would they hold on to these incriminating pieces of evidence for all these years instead of just fencing them for cash?

@kousetsuhana Жыл бұрын

i just came to the comments to ask this when the plot recap mentioned them... makes no sense they still had them!!

@derkcast620 Жыл бұрын

Yeah! I was thinking the same thing... Like what they succeeded in bribeing on a layaway plan?!

@jasonbourne1218 Жыл бұрын

@@derkcast620 LMAO

@broghad8241 Жыл бұрын

@@derkcast620 Lol

@coopersepulveda9872 7 ай бұрын

I always just thought that There was probably more diamonds and Caspere just had 4 left.

@SquishyEggo Жыл бұрын

Season 2 has its problems, but I still like it.

@TNT011gaming Жыл бұрын

“Never do anything out of hunger … not even eating” 😂😂😂😂 Wisdom of Frank

@FirstmaninRome 10 ай бұрын

I just rewatched the whole season, and it's rewatchable, It was emotional, I pondered my life in this corrupt empire, and hopelessness, it's a Flawed masterpiece.

@mistythefangirlylady Жыл бұрын

As someone who never bothered to watch past Season 1, this was an entertaining watch! And thanks for reminding me to rewatch it as well as L.A. Confidential and Chinatown!

@earlpipe9713 Жыл бұрын

If you're really into old-school LA history, check out James Ellroy's LA Quartet novels, one of which is actually LA Confidential

@shhs1227 Жыл бұрын

@@earlpipe9713 regardless of LA. just read Ellroy. possibly the greatest crime writer of all time

@Thor-Orion 9 ай бұрын

Watch season 3

@itsliqs Жыл бұрын

That montage of the horrible dialogue was so funny. Great video, it's nice to hear someone tear this season apart critically instead of just shitting on it

@jmha2428 3 ай бұрын

The dialogue especially between 2 characters during a conversation was cringe. Colin and Rachel McAdams had no chemistry in my opinion

@derodomtommy3716 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this. I couldn't get into S2 back when it was airing precisely because I had no idea what "it was." Wasn't sure why I was watching any given episode and it never cleared it all up in the end.

@rickyflare5104 Жыл бұрын

I love season 2 and the LA Confidential comparison has changed the way I look at it. Never seen it, but you really did a good job pointing out the similarities

@kernc7786 Жыл бұрын

The dumbest thing for me in Season 2 was Frank's death. He dies because he won't give the guy his suit, WHICH ISNT EVEN THE WHITE SUIT HE TOLD HIS WIFE HE WOULD BE WEARING WHEN THEY MET AGAIN.

@matthewalbert8469 Жыл бұрын

I thought it was because he had the diamonds in his jacket. So he didn’t want to let on that he had something to hide, he tried to play it off as if to say “Fuck off, I’m not giving my jacket” that’s what I thought

@mysticfellow9843 Жыл бұрын

@@matthewalbert8469 oh shit you're probably right. He cashed it out for the diamonds and that's probably all he had left. Still, though pretty dumb to fight the guy when he's surrounding by guns

@Agnes1322 Ай бұрын

I mean, I get he didn't want to give them the suit. The diamonds were in there, probably what he felt was his last resort to get to Jordan and be able to really start a new life there. What annoyed me so much about it was that the mexicans wouldn't even have wanted his suit if he had just shut the fuck up and let them drive away. To me it felt like the writers just really wanted him to die for the tragedy but didn't know how let the scene play out organically while also coming to that conclusion.

@connordebruler3264 Жыл бұрын

Can we agree that the soundtrack was the best of the three? I mean, Lera Lynn, Nick Cave, and Bonnie "Prince" Billy? Come on what a match made in heaven?

@ripwednesdayadams 11 ай бұрын

46:27 That sequence is one of my favorite sequences ever- in tv and film. Cary is a genius. You feel like you are with Rust, running for your life

@foo3268 Жыл бұрын

one of the few channels that I'll absolutely watch whatever comes out from

@michaelakinlabi7256 Жыл бұрын

Dude, I re-watched this season last week. This vid serves as some sweet icing. Always excited to see your awesome work.

@stratrovarius 5 ай бұрын

This video is the answer to all the questions me and my wife were left with after watching this season of True Detective. Thorough work. Well done. Cheers.

@SnakeWasRight 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, I remember not following a single thread if the mystery plot while this was airing. The characters were all I could understand, and they were hit and miss.

@tylersmith2854 2 ай бұрын

Anybody else coming back here after slogging through Season 4?

@Megabomberman87 Жыл бұрын

It actually took you nearly a full hour and half to cover why and what is wrong with this season and that was with you going at a nice brisk pace. Fair play. Excellent video.

@mckill85 11 ай бұрын

I'm so glad you're loving this show. Lots of people who haven't seen it seem to be coming on board now, and I'm still plugging it to friends and family. It was brutal to watch that scene, and yes, same as most people, I badly wanted her to tell Tony 😥😥

@downsjmmyjones101 Жыл бұрын

SO HYPE! I've been waiting for this for a while.

@SeanTxty 3 ай бұрын

I have a lot of bones to pick with this - but I'll just leave it at this: I love the batshit dialogue - it feels like a constant stream of hilarious shitposts. It's so good. I think it might just be a taste issue

@colemax4041 3 ай бұрын

Some of it is absolutely hilarious. Ass-pen whole scene had me dying. The never act out of hunger line had me laughing but only because it was just cringey and ridiculous. Velcoros likes were a lot better than simeones

@ShadowedAgony Жыл бұрын

Ask Jeeves takes me way back. Time and time again your channel proves funny and deeply insightful.

@dustyoldhat 11 ай бұрын

Really nice work. I was wanting a ninth episode when it all finished, I think because I still needed some more resolution from all the convolution. And your video delivered.

@daysofapril2667 Жыл бұрын

Nice catch on the L.A. Confidential vibes. Anyone familiar with Ellroy’s work will clearly see the “similarities” in TD2. I consider it an homage 😉.

@HellAintHalfFull Жыл бұрын

Well done. The scene with Ray and Frank at the table was like when you're having sex with a person and you're building up to the climax, and then the dude just pulls out and goes to play video games without any satisfaction. Sorry for the crude analogy, but Season 2 did this constantly. I couldn't even keep my head wrapped around the sequence of events, subplots, and extra characters. Also the dialogue with Velcoro saying that smoking an e-cigarette was like "sucking on a robot's dick", was taken directly from a joke by comedian, Dave Attell who made the joke on The Conan O'Brien Show a year previously.

@russellaplin7375 6 ай бұрын

I struggled with this series, I thought it was me. I came here for the truth, and the truth set me free.

@odinseye8835 8 ай бұрын

Awesome video and breakdown. Thank you for the deep dive in the nonsensical plot alone. Believe it’s more helpful for writers to learn from mistakes then success.

@diegowushu Жыл бұрын

Holy crap, even though I quite enjoyed the season back in the day (rushed as it felt), it's incredible how you pointed out things I had in the back of my mind (the editing, the characterization). Well done sir. Never ended up watching S3, maybe it's time I give it a shot.

@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын

Oh boy, a new Mac video about a show I know absolutely nothing about! Can’t wait to watch this later

@BlackTestament Жыл бұрын

you should watch season one, just some of the absolute greatest television I have no interest in watching the others seasons in my mind nothing can top season one

@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын

@@BlackTestament Hmm, perhaps I shall. Who doesn’t love a good whodunnit mystery, after all?

@nickymo 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for making this, it was very helpful after revisiting season 2 this past week.

@Death13Horseman Жыл бұрын

You have to do a video on True Detective season 1, dude. To see what made it one of the greatest seasons of television ever made. Great work as always. I started this season but never managed to finish it, it just didn't feel anything like season 1, in terms of writing of course, not that I was looking for the same thing again.

@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын

My best friend thinks Woody Harrelson looks like a goomba from the 1993 Super Mario Bros movie.

@richardofredemption Жыл бұрын

Holy shit you’re right

@Coburnify Жыл бұрын

Dude him and Mattew might actually be real half brothers. It's bonkers.

@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын

It sounds like Laura’s hunt for vengeance should have been the focus of the season, not this convoluted mess of red herrings and backstabbings. Could have made a whole show about her tracking down Caspere, reconnecting with her brother, slowly uncovering a greater conspiracy going to the highest levels of local government, etc.

@yidingliu8663 7 ай бұрын

What did I find? Someone who knows what he's talking about, not afraid to call bs on either 'side' of the internet, and capable of presenting his arguments in good format? You have my subscription good sir.

@NelsonStJames Жыл бұрын

Honestly I like the Frank Semyon character and the way Vince Vaugh played him. Also his final scene is the one scene in True Detective season 2 that I still remember. The main problem most people have with TD season 2 is that it wasn't a continuation of season 1. If this season didn't have Rust and Martin, half the viewers weren't going to give it a chance no matter how good it was, because the majority of complaints about season 2 don't tend to touch on any of the problems brought up in this video. This tendency for fans to not let creators attempt something new and simply want the same thing that hooked them rehashed is the reason a lot of franchises simply overstay their welcome until they become stale.

@jamesabernethy7896 Жыл бұрын

Great episode, full of great analysis and so funny. I loved the first season, even though this had a great cast list too, I only watched 3 episodes and was still struggling to follow what was happening.

@t8212db Жыл бұрын

Fantastic explanation. The only reason I kept watching the annoying drunken season 2 was because it kept reminding me that I must have seen it before but now I realize it was due to my sub conscience connecting with L.A.Confidential and I didn't even know it until just now. Wow, thank you. Great job.

@panterxbeats 9 ай бұрын

42:00 I actually liked this moment of the scene cutting away to the brief moment where Velcoro finds Davis dead. It kept me on edge for the previous scene and continued the intensity. It gave the feeling that everything was falling apart, but asides from that, yeah the editing was very jarring. I still enjoyed the season as the episodes went on, and I think something truly amazing is hidden within it, but it was clearly rushed and you nailed it.

@joefeeney5497 Жыл бұрын

That shootout was yes, ridiculous, but what an incredible watch haha.

@moejuggler6033 Жыл бұрын

The Ask Jeeves bit was perfection 😂😂😂

@hansjuker8296 4 ай бұрын

Velcoro's tragedy is that his FEAR of not being the father kept him from actually being one.

@majormelthesackboy Жыл бұрын

I was watching s1-3 last year and using reddit discussion threads to have imaginary conversations about the show ( no one in my circle watches the same stuff i usually do) and season 2 makes a lot more sense if you have read the book of the dead. It's possible the reveal of velcoro's son actually being his could be a symbol of his spiritual rebirth and reincarnation. however, I really like your interpretation of the season being about parentage. It's a theme that def resonates easily with an audience and the message sounds a whole lot more human. enjoyed the vid

@CircuitRider Жыл бұрын

Honestly I’ve always liked Season 2 even though it took a repeat viewing to even understand the whole plot. It’s clearly flawed and feels like an early draft more than a polished season like S1 but I love a lot of it, Farrell and McAdams being very effective imo. And although the first 3-4 episodes are pretty dull, the last few hours are really intense and where it finally takes off. Yeah there’s some cringey dialogue throughout but it’s not too terrible. I like the influences it’s riffing on even if it’s not as good as them - feels like Pizzollatto combined David Lynch and Michael Mann’s LA noirs, along with Chinatown, Eyes Wide Shut and The Wire. I think it works pretty well as a very dark and very complicated neo-noir. But it’s easily the weakest of the three TD seasons for sure. I do really like (or love) all 3 seasons though. I know S1 is easily the best but S3 is a near-masterpiece as well, and S2 really just isn’t as bad as consensus dictates. You wanna see a show that utterly collapses in its 2nd and 3rd seasons, check out Westworld lol. I just watched that and the drop in quality after S1 is truly insane, I imagine people who hate TD s2 feel the same as I do about Westworld post-S1. Anyways, great work as always Mac, even if I don’t fully agree. I think it’s fair to say TD S2 needed more time, Nic having to pump it out in less than a year surely didn’t help matters as you note.

@sunnysalt Жыл бұрын

I agree i loved season 3.

@davidhenderson9707 Жыл бұрын

Your comment is very helpful as I arrived here after falling asleep after 40 long, drawn-out minutes of S2E1 and then wondering what went wrong. I am however a big fan of Eyes Wide Shut…. What aspect did you find similar as I’m looking for motivation to give TD S2 another chance.

@DrDoomBloom Жыл бұрын

Thank you for mentioning a show that truly went downhill after season 1: WestWorld. By the time it reached season 3, I deemed it unwatchable

@johnv6806 Жыл бұрын

I was so pumped after season 1 of westworld. I think midway through season 2 i hated it.

@sfcSpidey Жыл бұрын

@@sunnysalt I like season 3 I just don’t like the explanation of what happened with all the hints of a connection with season 1 lore hope season 4 will go back to that

@TheMaddWatcher Жыл бұрын

I know that this season can be very messy and it’s a very large departure from the first season, but I still love this season with all my heart. I’ve rewatched it about 5 times and it gets better everytime.

@jplonsdale7242 Жыл бұрын

Completely agree I have watched the entire season every year since it aired

@yvesheinrich5013 Жыл бұрын

Likewise!

@HeVn7LaO 3 ай бұрын

Also, love your editing…the clips and memes are top tier …got me 💀

@kennymarotta9924 3 ай бұрын

This makes me understand why i was looking forward to watch every week but fell asleep every episode until the finale

@lisetteeliseparis7070 Жыл бұрын

Subscribing! Comparing L.A. Confidential and Season 2 of TD is brilliant. I finished Season 2 yesterday. Thank you.

@goldonder Жыл бұрын

While I don't disagree the season could've used more time in the oven, I think the narrative being confusing, frustrating and relentlessly tragic is perfectly in keeping with the spirit of film noir. So when you're going over how poorly communicated major plot details are, it really just makes me love the season more.

@MacabreStorytelling Жыл бұрын

Honestly at some point I almost thought it was deliberate, like it was emulating The Big Sleep or something. Kinda thought it would have been funny if they just dropped Caspere’s death and never revealed who did it lol

@Senoba Жыл бұрын

the depressing ending in which the bad guys win and get away with everything is also perfectly in line with the noir aesthetic

@RepublicConstitution 7 ай бұрын

What went wrong is obvious: Pizzaloto never knew season 1 was ever going to sale, when it did and turned out a huge success, he had nothing written to follow up, he had to rush it, and the result was a mess. Also not having Fukunaga hurt too. Nic said he had worked on season 1 for years and it was a true passion project. Those usually only happen once in a lifetime.

@sladeallen7453 Жыл бұрын

Last week my sister decided she was finally ready for true detective. We started the second season the same day this was posted, amazing

@Verboten-xn4rx 4 ай бұрын

Eh? Was one of best posts of 23. He took this spaghetti plot and never gave up. Amazing. TD season 4 is about a Polar bear 😂

@andrewclodfelter3782 4 ай бұрын

Season 2's cast was amazing such a shame it wasn't a masterpiece.

@LostInVideo 6 ай бұрын

Really excellent video. I love aspects of this season so much but for all the reasons you highlight so well it just didn't work the way it could have.

@wafflemerchants 4 ай бұрын

Really well thought out video

@sblinder1978 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if any of Frank's batshit dialogue was just Vaughn riffing- he trained as Chicago's Improv Olympic.

@aleksisuuronen5969 Жыл бұрын

I would also mention that Nic wrote a book called Galveston that is pretty much the S01 story, so he had aa lot more prep time than what was said. Because he basically adapted the book with changes. This is the excat reason why Peaky Blinders always came out when it came because there was a sole writer, it just doesn't work with the timeframes without writers-room. Stranger Things had a lot of the same problems as True Detective because the brothers had spend.. it was some 6-7 years to write and think the S01 over and when it got extended they really had nothing. Well atleast there is two of them but S02 was plot-wise super similar to S01 but just made everything bigger and S03 a total disaster. Game of Thrones is even better example because they were also adapting and for some crazy reason said no to writers room after the books ending to adapt so the quality lowered sooo much and the smartness of it was replaced with yeah cool cgi dragons etc. It's beyond hubris that they tought they could make the last season AND at the same time start prepping/writing for a Star Wars project that ofc got tanked after the S08 was such a disaster.

@RetSol61 3 ай бұрын

Your summery of season 2 was great. I now understand some of the missing issues. Thank You. Its a television movie. Not reality but I found it entertaining.

@ZachHonest Жыл бұрын

You should do a video on the whole series, I would love to hear you talk about it!

@Brothercole1994 8 ай бұрын

I loved this season, honestly., Obviously it can't match the success of S1 but the story itself and how it captures the corruption of the people and the city is really well done.

@valentinegonsalves7322 6 ай бұрын

I liked the season too. Wasn't as bad as everyone says. The characters are superb. Its just that the main plot sucks. Would've preferred if it was just Ray and Ani and Frank Semyon in an LA Confidential plot. The main deal is supposed to be about land, but then its about diamonds. I expected someone in the government or the mob or the cops found diamonds in the mines, used the river pollution as an excuse to shut them down so they could establish their own order in Vinci. Or alternatively, everyone was buying the land and uncovered a mass grave, either the cops of the mob put those bodies on site and corpses ruined the groundwater table.

@luciano.rim1 6 ай бұрын

Maybe the core idea was very good but I feel there were at least 3 seasons condensed into one. Trying to keep up with the events while at the same time remembering countless names and faces can be quite the challenge.

@clementinelives Жыл бұрын

always loved that vocal intro in your videos

@getyourownshoe Ай бұрын

Randall from Clerks 2 is a wise man!

@drownthepoor 4 ай бұрын

Season 2 has it's own tone/feel vs. 3 which feels like it's desperate to capture Season 1 while trying to be just different enough. Season 4 started yesterday, and it's very distinct so far. The setting of S1 was very important to the story IMO. Louisiana is such a strange and distinct place. S2's setting is far less iconic, but there is a lot of character to it. S3's setting I can't recall, but I think it was also the south-east. S4 is set during the endless night of northern Alaska.

@larrylicavoli 3 ай бұрын

Has nobody here ever read The Big Nowhere? The writers took that novel and set it in modern times. It's a great season, very under the surface. The crow mask is awesome too. Season 2 is a love letter to James Ellroy and his L.A. Quartet.

@VersusArdua Жыл бұрын

The best thing about the show was rust cohle and even his character was ripped almost word for word from Thomas Ligotti's book 'The Conspiracy Against The Human Race'. Working on it since 2010 my ass, that Nic guy is a fucking hack

@arthurballs7083 Жыл бұрын

Whilst it's not in the same ballpark as S1, it's not that bad.

@yggdrasil2 6 ай бұрын

Lukewarm defense of one aspect of the season: The reason Velcoro sacrificed himself was the fact that the villains knew he had stopped at his son's school, meaning they could get revenge by killing his family even if he managed to remove the tracker and escape

@cormacthem8406 11 ай бұрын

Excellent excellent video and one of the few that actually tries to analyze that season of true detective. Thank you thank you thank you.

@GooblyWoobly69 10 ай бұрын

I actually felt like s2 did a great job of getting to know multiple main characters. Season 1 is a masterpiece that I love, but I actually found season 2 to be more entertaining

@lucascoleman1190 Жыл бұрын

The explanation of the Plot is like that Michael Spicer video satirizing Christopher Nolan’s exposition, which really shows how ludicrously over complicated it is.

@Agnes1322 Ай бұрын

I'm not done with the whole video, yet but quickly wanted to share some thoughts about the editing portion. A lot of what you describe is pretty standard for editing an ensemble cast. You said it yourself, season one essentially only had two main characters who mostly shared their scenes but season two is an ensemble cast. Intercutting between scenes when you have to keep the audience up to speed with so many characters is absolute standard practice and not a problem in and of itself. The problem arises more from how and what scenes they decided to intercut in my eyes. For example, intercutting between Woodrough's tunnel shoot out and Velcoro and Bezzerides getting it on becomes almost comedic in the way is clashes tonally which they were absolutely Not going for. On the other hand, the parallels of Frank's and Velcoro's deaths worked quite well for me - for one, I liked the contrast, two death scenes of two essential characters but playing out so very different to each other. Secondly, as opposed to you who felt the emotional impact of Frank's death lessened by this, I kind of felt like it increased it. It made the scene feel even longer, made his walk feel that much farther, like so much more time went passing. It worked very well for me personally. So yea, just my two cents on this. On to watch the rest now.