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4 жыл бұрын

This joint Four Corners/Fairfax report from 2015 revealed damning evidence that the investigations of key gangland murders in Victoria were deeply flawed, undermining the criminal justice system in the state.
Terry Hodson and Carl Williams were career criminals. Hodson was shot twice in the head by a killer who'd come to his home with no apparent sign of a break-in. Williams was bludgeoned to death while in jail.
Two murders - six years apart, both linked by key facts. Each was a police informant; both had made serious allegations of police corruption; both were killed with police acutely aware both men were in danger.
Despite the extraordinary circumstances of the deaths, it's still not clear who ordered their killing. To this day, no one has been convicted of the murder of Terrence Hodson and his wife Christine.

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@richardgraham2303
@richardgraham2303 3 жыл бұрын
Moral of the story is don't ever be a witness to anything in Australia because if the criminals don't get you the police will . That whole force needs sacked . Corruption seems to be rife.
@junecooper4688
@junecooper4688 2 жыл бұрын
Corruption seems rife in the police force
@tmckboston417
@tmckboston417 2 жыл бұрын
Dale should be in........
@MrFrosty888
@MrFrosty888 2 жыл бұрын
yep but what people dont get or see clear as day the police started it all with supplying the chemicals for these scumbags
@tmckboston417
@tmckboston417 2 жыл бұрын
Dale is a narcissistic person!
@MentokTheMindTaker
@MentokTheMindTaker 2 жыл бұрын
They didn't want to go into witness protection, so they got what they got.
@petervonstamer7859
@petervonstamer7859 3 жыл бұрын
As soon as Karl Williams finished giving up information on criminals and started giving information on currpt Police he gets killed and neither of the 2 guards that were ment to be watching the monitor noticed anything for around 30min
@hopsta5628
@hopsta5628 3 жыл бұрын
@It doesn’t matter What your name is Some people do because they detest corrupt cops who organise murder, not many care about Williams but they are concerned about killer cops.
@fredfletcher9966
@fredfletcher9966 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah .Giving up dirty cops is a death sentence for sure. Remember Roger Rogerson....
@BradleyFerguson-oi5ym
@BradleyFerguson-oi5ym 5 ай бұрын
WTF, he gave up Dale, then other criminals. Williams said Dale paid $150 K cash for the hit. Was this investigated. I doubt it. Over the past 20 odd years, corruption investigators have taken the stories of criminals for granted. No investigation into the stories. That’s what politics, thanks Nixon,, did to policing
@Michael-dp2yd
@Michael-dp2yd 3 ай бұрын
Cops are worse than normal criminals because they are hypocrites as well, there’s a lot too. Don’t get me started on the correction officers their mentality are worse than prisoners 🤢
@allencraigie5009
@allencraigie5009 2 ай бұрын
Snitches get st...es
@s3tTz
@s3tTz 3 жыл бұрын
“Carl’s done himself a mischief!”
@robbmckenzie8379
@robbmckenzie8379 3 жыл бұрын
😆👍
@MrSh4W
@MrSh4W 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@philhudson...5017
@philhudson...5017 2 жыл бұрын
Neeeeeeev.....🤭
@willnailer2118
@willnailer2118 2 жыл бұрын
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@fredfletcher9966
@fredfletcher9966 2 жыл бұрын
You sound like uncle Chop Chop LoL
@arthurneddysmith
@arthurneddysmith 4 жыл бұрын
11:54 Cops: "Yeah, we thought about looking after the people who were about to give evidence against other police, but we couldn't really be bothered. So ... yeah, people are dead."
@dartanion0075
@dartanion0075 4 жыл бұрын
Discusting isn't it.
@anonamus7404
@anonamus7404 4 жыл бұрын
dartanion 007 your spelling is what’s disgusting lol
@dr.x121
@dr.x121 4 жыл бұрын
Idk about the spelling (mistake, kid, other country, etcetera would explain that!) ANYW. -> UNIMPORTANT COMPARED TO MY QUESTIONS IN THIS CASE!
@dr.x121
@dr.x121 4 жыл бұрын
THIS KIND OF STUFF HAPPENS IN RUSSIA ASO.! IT'S NOT OK BUT WE ARE USED TO IT... SO 1. OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE: IF THIS IS POSSIBLE IN AUSTRALIA! Then WHO'S NEXT❔❓❔ Where does it StoP???
@dartanion0075
@dartanion0075 4 жыл бұрын
@@dr.x121 fanks for dat.
@neojon4871
@neojon4871 3 жыл бұрын
Pau Dale is protected because someone higher up is implicated.
@dawgwithabone6826
@dawgwithabone6826 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, many of them & one kingpin is Chairman Chandrews.
@BradleyFerguson-oi5ym
@BradleyFerguson-oi5ym 5 ай бұрын
Her name is Christine Nixon. She warned off governments in her tenure, of 2 Royal Commissions, lied to the Bushfire Royal Commission and Lawyer X Royal Commission, accepted free flights from Qantas and much more to politicise the Force. Had Bracksy on her side after the cover up involving the collision involving Nick Bracks, who was off his face in cocaine.
@danieljonesjones8047
@danieljonesjones8047 4 ай бұрын
It's a daisy chain
@kingjay-em5nd
@kingjay-em5nd Ай бұрын
I don't think so.... This has to be BS
@kenn1936
@kenn1936 3 жыл бұрын
Rocco got a phone call from Carl's cell mate telling him that Carl was dead, BEFORE, prison staff knew he was dead!!!! Rocco is also a suspect!!
@RS_Princess90
@RS_Princess90 4 ай бұрын
Obviously because of him Carl is dead he paid and ordered the hit I can guarantee you and the one that killed him hates informers you heard him.
@tongpomegatron
@tongpomegatron Ай бұрын
Prison staff know everything wink wink
@deadfarang
@deadfarang 4 жыл бұрын
Don't be a Police informant is the message in this video.
@johnowens2392
@johnowens2392 4 жыл бұрын
your friggin everywhere DF... just been watching a classic DF vlog then this appears so i watch this have a look at the comments and the one and only DF is here!
@deadfarang
@deadfarang 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnowens2392 Good vid this one JO. I've always had an interest in true crime for as long as i can remember.
@johnowens2392
@johnowens2392 4 жыл бұрын
@@deadfarang yes same here...watched all the underbellys and all the true crime stories etc...
@ABCNewsIndepth
@ABCNewsIndepth 4 жыл бұрын
Have you seen our A Dog Act doco? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9eTh82kvbWugZc.html
@johnowens2392
@johnowens2392 4 жыл бұрын
@@ABCNewsIndepth have now ..thanks..very interesting...
@rebeccakenworthy4623
@rebeccakenworthy4623 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is leaving a key piece of information out of this story... The way they manipulated Terry into becoming an informer was threatening that Terry's son would do a lengthy stint in jail for the large amount of ecstasy he was caught with if Terry didn't become an informer and help them with information. This detective is partly responsible for Terry's death too. They don't care about the safety of their informers, as long as the get "the bad guy"- everything else is just collateral damage
@yyxy.oncesaid
@yyxy.oncesaid 3 жыл бұрын
That ain't threatening.His son was going to go to prison.Terry was given an opitunity to help his son.♠️
@rebeccakenworthy4623
@rebeccakenworthy4623 3 жыл бұрын
@@yyxy.oncesaid You call it what you want
@rebeccakenworthy4623
@rebeccakenworthy4623 3 жыл бұрын
@@yyxy.oncesaid The fact of the matter is it's the cops fault Terry got murdered and a certain former detective had Carl knocked when he was going to testify into police corruption
@robertrinaldi8748
@robertrinaldi8748 3 жыл бұрын
@@yyxy.oncesaid You're right actually. The cops made Hodson an offer to help jeep his son from a lengthy prison sentence. That's not a threat, it's an inducement.
@IllIlllI
@IllIlllI 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertrinaldi8748 the only “difference” between a threat and an inducement is which side of the law you are on... It’s always do x for y, only thing changing is morality and that’s down to individual
@Spunky786
@Spunky786 3 жыл бұрын
If Carl Williams just offered up a gold mine of information, the last thing I would do is to leave him in prison with other inmates, doesn't take a genius to figure that out
@Christizm
@Christizm 3 жыл бұрын
lol so true pretty much straight after it happened he ended up getting murdered it was only a matter of time though even if he didn’t say anything he signed a death sentence once he ended up in Prison it was a ticking time bomb on when he would get killed in or out of jail.
@zenthomas9180
@zenthomas9180 3 жыл бұрын
As Big Mark Read once said “Carl Williams “ was a cherub faced wobbly bottomed boy who wouldn’t be safe in any jail in the country “ R.i.P Chopper
@iwillnotcomply2002
@iwillnotcomply2002 2 жыл бұрын
Got what he deserved
@dxfifa
@dxfifa 2 жыл бұрын
@@zenthomas9180 Chopper read was a fraud and a liar
@clazza65
@clazza65 Жыл бұрын
And the CCTV "failed" the moment it happened. Sure...
@markshaggy7914
@markshaggy7914 4 жыл бұрын
Victorian police force is a disgrace. That ‘home security’ system with the VCR tapes was like something out of a comedy. How would you feel being this poor Murray Gregor bloke? Knowing that there are coppers above dale at the time who were in... it would be soul destroying. No wonder he quit the force.
@fredfletcher9966
@fredfletcher9966 2 жыл бұрын
They really cared about their informants+ protecting them --NOT Once they roll... they hang em out to dry or die...
@simplesimon4717
@simplesimon4717 Жыл бұрын
Read Sir Ken Jones' statement. Read George Brouwer first OPI Director Report on VicPol. Read Coroner George Johnstone Report re Jennifer Tanner Inquest.
@RS_Princess90
@RS_Princess90 4 ай бұрын
The police force everywhere is disgraceful even the courts judge and justice system all corrupted
@claudedib6324
@claudedib6324 3 жыл бұрын
Remember Quote from Ned Kelly Victoria Police biggest criminals in Australia nothing changed all these years later
@alanwhately2778
@alanwhately2778 3 жыл бұрын
Whilst growing up in Sydney in the 60's my parents used to tell us kids "if you ever get into trouble look for a policeman" but as i got older and had kids of my own i used to tell my kids "if you get into trouble tell me or my friends" and the reason for that was "there are more criminals in the police force than there are in prison !!!!
@syria384able
@syria384able 3 жыл бұрын
Wow
@cinthiafraser4533
@cinthiafraser4533 3 жыл бұрын
Very true,and it's lime that all over the world.
@Elguapo93
@Elguapo93 2 жыл бұрын
Lol righto
@lukespector5550
@lukespector5550 2 жыл бұрын
Here in Newcastle, NSW, I couldn't understand why my cousin Michael & colleagues in the Police Force always ate McDonald's for free (King. St & Broadmeadow restaurants). They had to be in uniform, do a visual "lap of honor" & then walk inside to order. This was from 1992 - 2001. THOUSAND$$$ of free food monthly for making these joints look "family friendly" & "safe" for single women was the argument!
@RME007
@RME007 2 жыл бұрын
What fantastic advice to give to your children…if you’re that stupid, how have they turned out? 😂
@BAROMETERONE
@BAROMETERONE 4 жыл бұрын
Murray Gregor. Serious bravery and moral conviction. One in a million. Maybe one in a billion. Hats off to you.
@NxDoyle
@NxDoyle 4 жыл бұрын
That's one hell of a leap, million to billion. If one in a million, that means there are just under 7000 people on the planet who share his bravery. If one in a billion, there aren't even seven. One million seconds = about 12 days. One billion seconds = over 31 years.
@BAROMETERONE
@BAROMETERONE 4 жыл бұрын
@@NxDoyle Lol. My apologies. I wasn't aware my figure of speech would be such a bone of contention when describing a rare person of quality. I never would have know the difference had you not pointed that out. Thanks
@rydo85celticfc9
@rydo85celticfc9 4 жыл бұрын
Nx Doyle shut up ya maggot
@weldy7018
@weldy7018 4 жыл бұрын
hahaha nice!
@BAROMETERONE
@BAROMETERONE 3 жыл бұрын
@@junaidlaw The witness was asked to go into witness protection but his daughter refused essentially leaving the man exposed. If he went in without her, she would be the target. He had no other alternative. Had she played along the whole thing may have turned out very different. As far as stolen files, comon. Anyone in the police force that can use a computer can gain access if they are resourceful enough. While I don't support everything police do, in this case I see no reason to blame the officer here. He laid everything out and definitely tried to do his job within those constraints. I feel you are misjudging this man. Not only did he have the integrity to make a complaint against others within his organization, he then himself became a target. I think you better rewatch the video to determine who the villains are in this scenario. It's not Murray Gregor.
@np4773
@np4773 3 жыл бұрын
Most Police have a License to Commit Crimes...across every Police Department. Someone should do a study/investigation.
@frankystarrz
@frankystarrz 3 ай бұрын
The security they gave Hodsen was stone age. That det knew it. It's not dollars and cents? It's dollars and sense. This cop KNEW Hodson was dead. He gave him a camera and video tapes for defence. Wow
@NancyDrewCasebook
@NancyDrewCasebook 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent thoroughly researched
@bobbypaluga4346
@bobbypaluga4346 4 жыл бұрын
Every cop should be routinely random drug tested as well as a yearly polygraph exam covering all phases of corruption practices. We give these people too much power not to realize they will and do overuse brutal force, steal money and valuable items from crime scenes, and claim overtime pay they don’t deserve. An FBI detective left after 15 years and began working for my company. I hired him and I’d do it again enthusiastically. He is a man of high character and no compromise who left the FBI rather than succumb to the same temptations that had turned other agents into criminals themselves.
@smolgok384
@smolgok384 4 жыл бұрын
Polygraphs are not accurate, hence why they're not admissible in court
@bobbypaluga4346
@bobbypaluga4346 4 жыл бұрын
Look Chauncey nobody is talking about going to court. In my US you lose your badge if you fail a polygraph, it has nothing to do with criminal charges. You’re like a talking doll out of the ‘60s. You know the type you pull a string and the doll “says” something. When you read polygraph you pull your own string and out come “inadmissible in court”. If I’d mentioned that a killer should never again see the light of day you’re going to say “Innocent until proven guilty”. Stupid knee jerk response, not relevant
@samsmith3012
@samsmith3012 4 жыл бұрын
Polygraphs are useless. Anyone can cheat them - especially a corrupt cop who's well rehearsed at lying
@donaldsmith3926
@donaldsmith3926 4 жыл бұрын
@Snaggle Toothed ...or Hansen with the FBI.
@mickyzzzeee
@mickyzzzeee 2 жыл бұрын
They’d be none left
@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen
@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone who has ever lodged a complaint about police corruption will tell you how quickly they close ranks and protect unethical (even criminal) conduct. As far as I am concerned the only difference between the cops and the crooks is a uniform...
@Jack-gn4gl
@Jack-gn4gl 2 жыл бұрын
The tall man, watch that documentary
@RME007
@RME007 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@BBD_Kman-wc7jh
@BBD_Kman-wc7jh 8 ай бұрын
Grow up !!!
@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen
@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen 8 ай бұрын
LOL just wait until you are on the wrong end of their corrupt behaviour - I still have ALL the documents relating to it. @@BBD_Kman-wc7jh
@Hayden-qp4tr
@Hayden-qp4tr Ай бұрын
@@BBD_Kman-wc7jhhe is 100% right. You need to WAKE UP
@6LTRBENandSHAR00
@6LTRBENandSHAR00 2 жыл бұрын
If my parents asked me to go into witness protection and I didnt and they were both executed like that I couldnt live with the guilt. Nothing would have stopped me protecting my family members. I guess shes lucky she wasnt with them when it happened...
@sgc60
@sgc60 Жыл бұрын
My Dad could be killed by the police or the criminals, I think it will be the police but hey, im not moving 🤷🤷
@jeremybradley559
@jeremybradley559 Жыл бұрын
Well his daughters were both halfwits
@TheLargino
@TheLargino 4 жыл бұрын
Paul Dale sounds like Roger Rogerson.
@jimbob9505
@jimbob9505 3 жыл бұрын
And dozens of others to
@briandoherty245
@briandoherty245 3 жыл бұрын
Ah good old dodgy rodgie!
@boota8881
@boota8881 4 жыл бұрын
My dad has a friend who is a cop, I'm 31 now but I'll never forget when I was about 6 or 7 and my dad's copper friend was over and he said to my dad " the whole police force is corrupt" A few years ago my friends mate got done with 40000 pills and 40000 win cash in his car. When he went to court he was charged for 20000 pills and 20000 in cash...both of these happened in Vic.
@dianarosalindland1566
@dianarosalindland1566 3 жыл бұрын
@Stalk I was busted by border patrol in Texax, driving from California with legally obtained medical grade cannabis. I had 3 pounds but booked for one. They also stole expensive gardening equipment that was on the roof of my car and was not listed on the property sheet nor returned. Naturally, I did not complain about the under-reportage. That's how they get away with it. Who is going to say "but officer, I had THREE pounds of weed, not just one!" (BTW, my case was dismissed when I proved my medical condition.)
@markwoolgar2781
@markwoolgar2781 3 жыл бұрын
Your mate should’ve got a receipt when the police took the pills and cash. Then in court show that and he would’ve walked and police would’ve been in big trouble. Had a friend who it happened to also but he was smart enough to ask for an evidence receipt
@hopsta5628
@hopsta5628 3 жыл бұрын
My cousin was growing dope in a couple of underground shipping containers, he was growing it with two detectives from the Hastings police station on the Mornington Peninsula, he was busted twice with very large amounts of marijuana at his home, but the containers were left untouched, on each occasion the amounts he was busted with were not the same amounts used in evidence at court, he should have been charged with trafficking commercial amounts of marijuana, which was 50 pounds or more at the time, the amounts presented to the court were 5 and 7 pounds, the second time he was busted one of the cops, who just happened to be sleeping with my cousin's younger sister, kept the crops growing for about 3 months until my cousin was released from prison, both the detectives are well known for sexually assaulting women and teenage girls at the police station and for robbing local drug dealers, but as usual all complaints were ignored by VicPol. One young lass who persisted in her allegations against them was beaten very badly by several Hastings cops who burst into her home and flogged everyone in the house, quite severely, it took a few years before the cops were named and shamed and sent to work in other parts of Victoria, well away from Hastings.
@benjijarman
@benjijarman 3 жыл бұрын
@@markwoolgar2781 Even during the recorded interview they mention how much and what you are caught in possession with.
@rodneyhulme3649
@rodneyhulme3649 2 жыл бұрын
It happens in nsw also
@whooshkaboomie
@whooshkaboomie 4 жыл бұрын
Victorian Police has always been sub standard. Just a State run Security firm.
@ianmangham4570
@ianmangham4570 4 жыл бұрын
Bent as a ninebob note
@rosebud4387
@rosebud4387 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah since the time of Ned Kelly.
@laurhawk
@laurhawk 3 жыл бұрын
There’s clearly SO MUCH wrong with Australian police. The reason the gangs continued their brutality is because police happily jumped into their pockets for some extra $ as they’re underpaid!
@whatilearnttoday5295
@whatilearnttoday5295 3 жыл бұрын
Those "gangs" are working directly for the senior police kingpins as hired muscle.
@ericshingles
@ericshingles 4 жыл бұрын
Charlie and Murray, last of the "real" cops
@ISCDESIGNAustralia
@ISCDESIGNAustralia 4 жыл бұрын
..then the penny drops..and we realise the Police Force IS the biggest gang in Australia smh
@mccranahan747
@mccranahan747 3 жыл бұрын
Same with America 😔 i NEVER thought id see this in my lifetime but its coming. Its about to get real bad real fast i think not fear.
@JohnnyDogs1978
@JohnnyDogs1978 2 жыл бұрын
I hope Terry's daughter does feel guilt for being selfish, just been married with a baby, they take babies and husband's in witsec, her life was worth more to her than her parents lives. She knew the danger was real. She knew there were multiple murders within her father's circle of associates, she knew that parts of corrupt po)ice wanted him dead, other drug dealers wanted him gone because he'd snitched on them. Unbelievably selfish, knowing he wouldn't go into witsec without her was as good as killing her parents herself. All that doesn't excuse the police for their shoddy work, just doing a half decent security system in the home would've made things harder. Her and her attitude just grind my gears.
@leshgooo1016
@leshgooo1016 Жыл бұрын
Exactly she has blood on her hands too. What a tool she is.
@kalebcotter197
@kalebcotter197 Жыл бұрын
She got paid not to go I reckon
@TheKrazyKajeevieShow
@TheKrazyKajeevieShow 7 күн бұрын
She would of been killed too
@RareGem369
@RareGem369 Жыл бұрын
Anyone else here read the book called Filthy Rat by former detective Simon illingworth? It’s a tell all biography about his time in the Melbourne police force and how he climbed the ranks to become an inside investigator of police corruption. Very eye opening read!
@Nugliscious
@Nugliscious 4 жыл бұрын
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." Walter Scott
@leeannastokoe-miller856
@leeannastokoe-miller856 4 жыл бұрын
Sean Mathews
@petemchardy619
@petemchardy619 4 жыл бұрын
unbelievable man sum of the stuff that go's on unbelievable
@tonganc4868
@tonganc4868 4 жыл бұрын
the daughter has to live with the guilt for the rest of her life, her kids are going to grow up and ask her what happend to their grandparents. What a selfish women only thought about her self and not her parents
@jamiecoulson1016
@jamiecoulson1016 2 ай бұрын
What a stupid comment
@kieranreddan3273
@kieranreddan3273 28 күн бұрын
yep..she was the reason why her parents were killed
@TheKrazyKajeevieShow
@TheKrazyKajeevieShow 7 күн бұрын
No dummy, she would have been killed too
@TheKrazyKajeevieShow
@TheKrazyKajeevieShow 7 күн бұрын
​@@kieranreddan3273are you braindead? She would of been killed too.
@soyuzdavillan721
@soyuzdavillan721 3 жыл бұрын
Murray Gregor talks like he's trying to hold back a lifetime of dreadful memories 😂😂😂
@davidgladwin5953
@davidgladwin5953 4 жыл бұрын
The prison officers were paid to turn a blind eye as Carl Williams was beat to death in his cell
@ianinvan
@ianinvan 4 жыл бұрын
Not beaten ... he slipped.
@kgem76
@kgem76 4 жыл бұрын
Thats ok, a man that can order a hit in front of children deserves all he gets.
@stuartmalcolm1191
@stuartmalcolm1191 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, coz Paul Dale had contacts in Super Max!!!
@rejeanneusher9419
@rejeanneusher9419 3 жыл бұрын
In the Gym "
@robjj5373
@robjj5373 3 жыл бұрын
@@rejeanneusher9419 his cell. There was gym equipment in there among other things like pool tables
@pypes88
@pypes88 3 жыл бұрын
How can Miss Nicky live with herself?
@jimreily7538
@jimreily7538 11 ай бұрын
Carl Williams was beaten to death with something he'd tried his whole life to avoid: exercise equipment.
@renejean2523
@renejean2523 10 ай бұрын
lol Good one.
@deanfitz1985
@deanfitz1985 4 жыл бұрын
Only person guilty here is the daughter,her selfish ways meant her dad wouldn't go into protection,had he not died none of this would of happened. So i hope she lives with that guilt forever. The corruption is plain and simple but she made the wrong choice
@Hanzey1966
@Hanzey1966 2 жыл бұрын
So..... its not Dads fault, being a Criminal at the First place ??
@benjamin4894
@benjamin4894 4 жыл бұрын
I still can't get over the fact that, in this day and age, a crim like that Mathew Johnson could gain access to someone as high profile as Carl Williams - in Victoria's most secure correctional facility - and not one screw was so much as stood down. What an absolute disgrace!
@ronaldinho5860
@ronaldinho5860 Жыл бұрын
Well you must not be the sharpest tool in the shed then. It was clearly planned and a set up to stop him from testifying.
@jimreily7538
@jimreily7538 11 ай бұрын
Carl Williams was beaten to death with something he'd tried his whole life to avoid: exercise equipment.
@osicpms2539
@osicpms2539 11 ай бұрын
well a killer killing a killer? Who cares !
@SOUTHEASTALLDAY
@SOUTHEASTALLDAY 10 ай бұрын
Bruzz😂😂😂
@AntoninusPius17
@AntoninusPius17 9 ай бұрын
Inside job. Just like every politicised death.
@bradbutcher3984
@bradbutcher3984 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like 90% of the force is crooked.
@astroemerald3175
@astroemerald3175 3 жыл бұрын
Hasn’t their been a cloud over Vic police for decades ?
@alirramckay6048
@alirramckay6048 3 жыл бұрын
she killed her parents by being stubborn and not going into witness protection! and blames the police🤣🤣
@tyrese2112
@tyrese2112 3 жыл бұрын
Ron Iddles knows much more than he says,keeps to himself because he doesn’t trust the drug squad at all.
@andrewmartin7076
@andrewmartin7076 3 жыл бұрын
He's the 1 good cop / ex cop
@tynellesharratt463
@tynellesharratt463 3 жыл бұрын
Me mate Iddles 😍
@hopsta5628
@hopsta5628 3 жыл бұрын
Iddles was involved in the murder of Graham Jenson at at Pakenham Vic, when the armed robbery squad surrounded his car and shot him as he was driving through a car park, of course the cops claimed Jenson pulled a gun on them so they were forced to kill him with shotguns, the killing resulted in the two young newbie cops being murdered on Walsh street South Yarra, in retaliation against the Victoria police by Jenson's mates, the armed robbery squad was a murderous criminal organisation in its own right at the time, they didn't take prisoners when conducting raids on suspected armed robbers.
@benjijarman
@benjijarman 3 жыл бұрын
@@hopsta5628 Plus the subsequent murders of Gary Abdallah and Jed Houghton. Those were wild times!
@jimmywazlickowzki6049
@jimmywazlickowzki6049 2 жыл бұрын
@@hopsta5628 he was shot in narre Warren you have no idea what your talking about just keep paying your taxes and keep your I'll informed opinions to yourself
@grantkearney6354
@grantkearney6354 2 жыл бұрын
Paul Dale. Australia's #1 Gangster of all time.
@justinsmith4562
@justinsmith4562 Жыл бұрын
No
@grantkearney6354
@grantkearney6354 Жыл бұрын
@@justinsmith4562 Yeah. Probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time, like 100 times. Pure coincidence. GTFO
@stevomulzy8300
@stevomulzy8300 3 жыл бұрын
The first thing you learn is to not talk to police
@mrfreeman254
@mrfreeman254 2 жыл бұрын
There must be more Police officers involved in this saga....
@peterjongsma2779
@peterjongsma2779 3 жыл бұрын
At least 4 corners allows comments. 60 Minutes definitely doesn't. Why?
@xpresslane173
@xpresslane173 3 жыл бұрын
public opinion doesnt always fit your personal agenda
@missjustice2730
@missjustice2730 4 ай бұрын
Because only one has credible journalism
@serenaleaghgrace5023
@serenaleaghgrace5023 Жыл бұрын
great report
@scottmahoney3147
@scottmahoney3147 3 жыл бұрын
32mins 15secs "when we find evidence of it, we will pursue it". Don't you need to pursue an allegation to find evidence? Geez, even when they speak, you can hear the cover up in their voices and words. They don't even realise they have a tell. Might as well have a big neon sign above their heads saying 'GET YOUR CORRUPTION HERE!!'
@unclemac9631
@unclemac9631 Жыл бұрын
Boverland was Always a rat.
@caeserornothing
@caeserornothing Жыл бұрын
This is like the movie training day and Paul Dale is Denzel Washington
@sheriashley7692
@sheriashley7692 2 ай бұрын
Never been any Royal Commission into VicPol (unlike NSW) there should have been. How many corrupt cops are still serving?? What is going on now that we don’t know about??
@kinkynightmare4705
@kinkynightmare4705 3 жыл бұрын
Victoria police - “STOP! ......*bang bang bang* .......Police!!”
@ballzy123owen2
@ballzy123owen2 4 жыл бұрын
That crooked cop Miechel gave his sister money buy her house in 2003/2004 I wonder where the money came from🤣🤣
@TomEnduro
@TomEnduro 4 жыл бұрын
Those shells weren't picked up and put on the bodies, they were taken out of the gun and put on the bodies... Those shells are for a revolver, not a semi-auto which would eject the shells..
@harryricochet8134
@harryricochet8134 Жыл бұрын
The moving pictures are a recreation filmed for the doco. The actual crime scene pictures are the still shots that are only shown briefly and which have the victims heads blurred.
@clazza65
@clazza65 Жыл бұрын
Did the coppers still use revolvers back then ? I can't recall when Glocks came in. They would have willingly opened their door for a cop they knew and trusted. Just a theory.
@miguelsanchez6370
@miguelsanchez6370 Жыл бұрын
@@clazza65 Rodney Sid Collins murdered them on behalf of certain police
@chrishyland7144
@chrishyland7144 4 жыл бұрын
Underground/Overland is looking like the same thing!
@sonicvictory
@sonicvictory 4 жыл бұрын
Convicts dont view snitching against cops the same. Theres clearly high up corruption to allow the snitch be killed in prison. It was a planted cop that tried to get the snitch to snitch on others in the first place. Staying focussed on the corrupt cop would have been the prosecuters objective.
@Elguapo93
@Elguapo93 3 жыл бұрын
That Paul dale would of had him killed.
@noelettemason7065
@noelettemason7065 2 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought. That Paul Dale couldn't afford to have him.alive and spilling his guts.
@alexjayyy5811
@alexjayyy5811 2 жыл бұрын
Leaving 2 witnesses going against the police easy to get to is a bad mistake by authorities,They should have kept them hidden but I’m not surprised the witnesses met an early demise
@harrisbeatsfrankou6304
@harrisbeatsfrankou6304 Жыл бұрын
Mistake ? It was planned.
@kosta8129
@kosta8129 3 жыл бұрын
The greed for money!!!!!! That's why this world is fkddddddd up...
@cinthiafraser4533
@cinthiafraser4533 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@tommytrinder.1226
@tommytrinder.1226 2 жыл бұрын
" 36 people killed in 12 years ".Thats two weeks in Baltimore,or a weekend in the summer in Chicago.
@nos4me
@nos4me Жыл бұрын
Look at the size of melbourne in the late 90s/early 00s and it’s a lot
@stevesalkas9128
@stevesalkas9128 Жыл бұрын
That's 25 million to 380 million
@kazgreenham1877
@kazgreenham1877 8 ай бұрын
Its a hell of a lot in a country where guns are illegal.
@ryanclarke908
@ryanclarke908 3 жыл бұрын
The Police informant that was never named for his own protection seems to show in the paper work that is flicked through at the end of the story.
@tammyking-robinson3112
@tammyking-robinson3112 3 жыл бұрын
Im from America and I watch alot of stuff from this country but I feel like the COPS killed him the co in jail definitely did it or they let other inmates do it why where the cameras off in the worst prison hmm fishy 🐟 fishy 🐟
@rejeanneusher9419
@rejeanneusher9419 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in Australia 🐨🇦🇺🦘 and agree 💯👌
@amyjojinkerson5668
@amyjojinkerson5668 Жыл бұрын
they really do a good job in protecting informants
@andrewsoupene1028
@andrewsoupene1028 Жыл бұрын
Only till they can't get more info out of you
@terrifryday3641
@terrifryday3641 5 ай бұрын
Ron iddles is an Australian effing legend of a detective
@jamessmyth5949
@jamessmyth5949 2 жыл бұрын
Drugs, criminals and corrupt Police. Those three things are what Victoria are all about.
@nichobee
@nichobee 3 жыл бұрын
Using an iPhone 5 in an re-enactment of 2003 😂
@greggraime2738
@greggraime2738 2 жыл бұрын
No govt anywhere in Australia has the balls to empower the police to punch massive holes into the supply side of the drug problem. Decriminalisation is not the answer. Booze is our biggest drug of addiction in Australia and it's legal.
@98091238
@98091238 3 жыл бұрын
I take it the third witness that Niddles did not take a statement from in order to protect their safety was Nicola Gobbo
@madness6780
@madness6780 9 ай бұрын
Wish more people were understanding,lost my father through dementia x
@patrickjm3487
@patrickjm3487 Жыл бұрын
Terry hodson and his lovely wife Kristen should have been treated with the security they deserved and that poor man and woman were ordinary people like you and me!! Police are the blame for their murders no doubt about that!! The video of terry playing with his grandchild was priceless and it showed his love and pride at the same time!!!! May they both Rest in peace and the Victoria police should be held accountable for not protecting Kristen and terry !! also terry wasn’t a man walking the streets with a gun he didn’t have the courage to anything like that))
@sore_forey9259
@sore_forey9259 Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t he a career criminal and drug dealer? Or did I mishear the video.
@ArtVandelayOfficial
@ArtVandelayOfficial Жыл бұрын
He was a grubby crim,quit with the fairytale story ok
@tonymc55
@tonymc55 11 ай бұрын
Ordinary people? This is sarcasm, right?
@telezab3853
@telezab3853 3 жыл бұрын
Paul Dale is the lowest. He organised the murders and Carl Williams as Well. They use to supply them, then knocked them when they were going to give up Paul and his crew. Another person who knew about Paul was Carl. Paul paid Matthews family to do knock.
@unclemac9631
@unclemac9631 Жыл бұрын
Carls prize for giving up every one was Dakotas Schooling being Payed for by Vicpol once Erico was tipped of by vicpol dogs it was Broadcast throughout the jail that Karl was a Dog
@M-N00
@M-N00 2 жыл бұрын
"it wasnt me. read my book" is now my go to anytime allegations thrown my way
@stephenpenniket9976
@stephenpenniket9976 Жыл бұрын
I think it might have been Paul Dale. Just a gut feeling. he must have crapping himself locked up facing murders until he slithered free like a grass snake
@wade1198
@wade1198 4 жыл бұрын
Too many names, i can't keep up😂😂
@katharina...
@katharina... 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree! These types of documentaries need to be watched 2 or 3 times to fully understand who is who, and what actually happened.
@26TptCoy
@26TptCoy 4 жыл бұрын
it takes me two hours to watch a 45 minute documentary
@jbrown8059
@jbrown8059 4 жыл бұрын
I quit watching it i got lost in the story lol
@markryan5493
@markryan5493 4 жыл бұрын
Makes ya wonder how much overland had to do with this given the recent Gobbo drama.
@ryanmccartney2703
@ryanmccartney2703 4 жыл бұрын
Overland had everything to do with Nicola gobbo was getting made to do things she did init want to do for Carl Tony mokbel
@jordanspencer7992
@jordanspencer7992 4 жыл бұрын
OMG!! A fkn copper moonlighting as a hitman! All he has to do is plant a gun on the target say he pulled it on him so he shot him in self defence,that’s if he ever got put in a situation where he had to explain himself. WTF!! N HOW TF DID THEY GET AWAY WITH THIS FOR SO LONG.The guy who was an informant who got killed along with his wife,his poor wife was n had nothing to do with what her husband was doing.She May have known some of the criminal offences he committed but she didn’t know he was an informant and just how deep he was in it all until he had to tell her and the police wanted them to go into witness protection.That poor lady lost her life for nothing just being in the wrong place at the wrong time as I suspect that had she been out of the house when they came to kill him she may have been left alone . I think she was only killed coz she was there when they came to kill him so she was a witness they wasn’t willing to leave behind.Her only Crime was loving her husband,the father of her kids and not knowing how deeply he had got himself in to all of this..R.I.P.CHRISTINE🙏🏻💟✝️🌹🕊
@harryricochet8134
@harryricochet8134 Жыл бұрын
Nup. They were very close and made all their decisions mutually. They'd both dealt drugs and sold illegal guns from their home for many years. They both knew the danger they were in and she indeed was quite rightly absolutely obsessive about ensuring that the tapes in the security system which the police provided were changed at the right time every day. Their first mistake was informing on fellow crims but their biggest mistake was when they decided he would testify against the police who he'd conspired with to burgle the drug house which they then got caught in the act of doing.
@smashhimmungo5798
@smashhimmungo5798 3 жыл бұрын
Bitterly dissapointed ! THATS AN UNDERSTATEMENT ! VICTORIA POLICE HAVE BLOOD ON THERE HANDS !!
@jamesp8095
@jamesp8095 4 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when you have people with average to low IQ in positions of judgement and responsibility.
@chelsbnz
@chelsbnz 4 жыл бұрын
unfortunately you've just described the majority of Australia. The police are shockingly rife with corruption here too
@johnnydtractive
@johnnydtractive 4 жыл бұрын
Corruption has nothing to do with IQ. Some of the brightest people convince themselves they're above the law & the rules don't apply to them. Corruption is also not just about corrupt individuals--it's about a system that allows & protects corruption.
@gg-gg-gg-gg
@gg-gg-gg-gg 4 жыл бұрын
That describes most of this country unfortunately. It's infuriating.
@gg-gg-gg-gg
@gg-gg-gg-gg 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnnydtractive He doesn't mean that the low IQ people are the corrupt individuals, he means that having low IQ people in positions of power allow corruption to occur because they are oblivious to its occurrence.
@terrythekittie
@terrythekittie 4 жыл бұрын
So get people in with higher IQs and pay them a higher wage.
@deniserossiter1059
@deniserossiter1059 3 жыл бұрын
This doc was w/out a doubt the most ridiculous & infuriating example of either: A.) complete & utter incompetence (just DUMB people) starting at the top on down of a police force..... OR..... B.) one of the most blatant examples of police corruption & the subsequent cover-up that I've ever heard of in Australia.
@noelettemason7065
@noelettemason7065 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say the later.
@harryricochet8134
@harryricochet8134 Жыл бұрын
The correct answer is (B), bank on it.
@pablostark1665
@pablostark1665 Жыл бұрын
Read "Lawyer X". That will give you your answer, read option B.
@user-rf7kq8tz6o
@user-rf7kq8tz6o 6 ай бұрын
And what did this investigation achieve? What does any investigation into police achieve ? Absolutely nothing.
@lonestarrdjbrannan7318
@lonestarrdjbrannan7318 Жыл бұрын
30 people in 12 years ? That’s one weekend in Chicago
@tonyneal4716
@tonyneal4716 3 ай бұрын
30 hard core crims.
@petercallaghan9851
@petercallaghan9851 4 жыл бұрын
Charlie Bezzina served Victorians well. Overland...... least said the better.
@malcolmallerton3946
@malcolmallerton3946 4 жыл бұрын
Useley when you get police corruption there are politicians involved with corruption
@gurutruecrimeguru1405
@gurutruecrimeguru1405 2 жыл бұрын
That's what happened to Jane Furlong in New Zealand. A 16 year old informant on three court cases and no one looked after her. Wtf New Zealand police.
@jasonantigua6825
@jasonantigua6825 4 жыл бұрын
The lion roars and the bird sings! If only our inner being was as synthetic as those that pass away the day judging and undermining those that cannot see the light that shines so bright ! We can all learn something from the green gushers.
@reviewswithpappy8058
@reviewswithpappy8058 4 жыл бұрын
Live by the sword for Carl he killed plenty of peeps what goes around comes around man
@StreakyBaconMan
@StreakyBaconMan 3 жыл бұрын
Still, would it not have been a better outcome for him to not have died, and helped to get a conviction against the corrupt police officers who are responsible for murders? Sure he's not a very sympathetic victim, but there was real consequences resulting from his death that were not good for anybody but corrupt police officers and criminals.
@deniserossiter1059
@deniserossiter1059 3 жыл бұрын
StreakyBaconMan Exactly!! The police are supposed to be BETTER than the criminals!! In my opinion, his actions made him worse than any of these career criminals he partnered up w/ due to the level of trust placed w/ cops, their sworn oath & last but not least..... the taxpayer funded salaries they receive!! It’s truly disgraceful & in the end, it sends the message that you can’t trust the police. Now, no one will ever come forward to work w/ the police & who could ever blame them.
@jakebarton301
@jakebarton301 3 жыл бұрын
He only killed dead beats
@reviewswithpappy8058
@reviewswithpappy8058 3 жыл бұрын
@@jakebarton301 regardless of the person's he nutted off they are and we're some ones some one man
@julianakleijn2487
@julianakleijn2487 3 жыл бұрын
except the cops were involved a d thats not right
@delstrain8590
@delstrain8590 3 жыл бұрын
Victoria Police-"We catch and kill our own". Never mind the Painters and dockers. Armed robbery squad who shot 8 people in 16 months. (All of whom were prolific armed robbers they could not catch).
@sebastianpickett3
@sebastianpickett3 Жыл бұрын
£120000 a month 😂😂😂😂 Get with the program !!!!! My mate spends that on elastic bands a month 😂😂🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟
@leesmith813
@leesmith813 2 жыл бұрын
Did Dale order the hit on Williams to shut him up?
@Skinny_Karlos
@Skinny_Karlos 3 жыл бұрын
Why would you hang around to "protect your daughter" or not leave her out in the cold where she could be 'got' when you readily admit ("I'm a dead man walking") that you cannot even protect yourself and your wife? He should have gone into Witness Protection.
@ericalexander5890
@ericalexander5890 Жыл бұрын
Bob Hastings seems either criminally clueless, or criminally involved.
@simplesimon4717
@simplesimon4717 Жыл бұрын
Try spineless.
@joelennon432
@joelennon432 3 жыл бұрын
Prison guards, police, politicians and even the guys getting interviewed....they where all in on it
@karenm7449
@karenm7449 4 жыл бұрын
The NSW police has a very bad history or corruption and incompetence. Makes it very hard for the decent ones but who do you trust?
@jaypalmer7358
@jaypalmer7358 2 жыл бұрын
You trust yourself being smart enough not to get involved with things that will get you killed don't get caught up in the city lights cause one day those lights will go out you tell on no one ever
@brendongrey133
@brendongrey133 4 жыл бұрын
Worst cop ever if he knows his snitch is a target of a death threat. Then let’s it happen.
@kawasakiman8965
@kawasakiman8965 2 жыл бұрын
Something stinks here Carl Williams should have been removed from the cell away from other prisoners knowing that as an informer he would be in serious danger in the prison why was he kept in there with two cell mates it looks like everything in the justice system in AUSTRALIA 🇦🇺 is corrupt this must be the worst system in the world
@beklerken1
@beklerken1 4 жыл бұрын
The incompetence of Vic Pol is paramount. Murray Gregor talks all innocently and of “hindsight” . In 2019, I was charged with assault by an incompetent and a cocky constable Michaela Young 42244 that was hellbent on charging me without proper investigation and a standard operating procedure. After about attending court about five times and correct filing procedures of statements and so on, I was dismissed without convictions or anything alike, later told that it would be self defence on my behalf. I then complained to all internal affairs that carry fancy names but none found the above mentioned pig in contempt of anything. If they don’t act on gung ho cops as such early in their careers to find them accountable, these types of corruption is no surprise to me at all along with the ones that don’t make it to the mainstream media that cover the Vic Pol with their tight relationship with them.
@kenlee-97
@kenlee-97 4 жыл бұрын
Was that constable female?
@beklerken1
@beklerken1 3 жыл бұрын
@@kenlee-97 Yes, she had attitude and an ego twice her height at 8 feet, cause she was only 4 feet nothing.
@johnmas3256
@johnmas3256 3 жыл бұрын
Cops have been bent since the day dot when I was 16 my boss of a pizza restaurant was buy drugs worth $10,000 + every week and these where high ranking officer's that was 40 years ago
@cjones5332
@cjones5332 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, ok.
@supergooner7581
@supergooner7581 3 жыл бұрын
No Police corruption to see here,move along ,move along.
@Paul-mq5yn
@Paul-mq5yn 4 жыл бұрын
looks more like a joint to me
@ostapbendervan7874
@ostapbendervan7874 4 жыл бұрын
Gobbo
@kingstrap8159
@kingstrap8159 Жыл бұрын
Old Carl would have been the kind of kid in highschool that would walk past the benches and had peanut butter sandwiches thrown at him!
@hopsta5628
@hopsta5628 3 жыл бұрын
Iddles was a part of the hit team which murdered Graham Jenson at Pakenham, sparking a wave of murders in Victoria, two young newbie cops lost their lives in retaliation for Jenson's murder along with some people who the cops suspected of killing the newbie cops.
@gregzerovonic2198
@gregzerovonic2198 2 жыл бұрын
Narre Warren
@mosimadikgale87
@mosimadikgale87 2 жыл бұрын
With all the killings and murders I bet the drug business is still continuing like it's 1998🤗
@proudscottishlad5275
@proudscottishlad5275 3 жыл бұрын
His daughter basically signed her mum and dads death warrant,she seems like she knew if her parents went into protection she would be got at,so she basically picked her own life over her parents and knew it to.
@HelloWorld-ns7gt
@HelloWorld-ns7gt 3 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@MrDigger82
@MrDigger82 3 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn’t you ? Life’s going well you have a job your drug dealing dad decides to turn informant on a police officer . You have to leave your life as you know it and live in hiding not in contact with any one you know. Your children shouldn’t have to pay for there parents sins like that.
@Hanzey1966
@Hanzey1966 2 жыл бұрын
No... DAD did ...HE choose to be a Criminal in the first place , THEN became an informer as wel.
@owendavies7452
@owendavies7452 7 ай бұрын
There's a hell of alot more of them around Australia, not just Victoria.
@paulleftwick7782
@paulleftwick7782 4 жыл бұрын
Is that judge X gabba in one photo the shells are optional to pick up so you know it's cops inside job witnesses make the best killers but I can't solve it
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