Trump, Biden, Christian Nationalism, and the Future of America

Trump, Biden, Christian Nationalism, and the Future of America | Dr Albert Mohler

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In this interview, John talks to highly esteemed author, commentator and theologian, Dr Albert Mohler.
Dr Mohler and John discuss the political history and landscape of America in the lead up to the 2024 presidential election.
Dr Mohler explores Christian perspectives on American politics, including the difficult choice both President Trump and Biden present to voters due to their disqualifying ethical views and character traits.
They also address the rise of Christian nationalism, and the misunderstandings and hostilities towards evangelicalism.
Dr Albert Mohler is President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is the author of many books, and his daily podcast The Briefing, analysing the world from a biblical perspective, is heard worldwide. His latest book is Tell Me the Stories of Jesus: The Explosive Power of Jesus’ Parables.
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00:00 Intro
01:00 Concerns With the Biden Administration
04:09 The Religion of Self
05:39 Freedom Has Become the Enemy of Freedom
09:15 Israel and Palestine
14:13 Loss of a Moral Compass
19:16 Biden vs Trump Round 2
29:28 Edmund Burke
32:06 America Divided
39:00 American Evangelicalism
44:47 Christian Nationalism
48:48 The New Feudalism
53:00 The Parables of Jesus
58:12 Outro
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@dougg1075 Ай бұрын

It must be Trump. The guy could be sitting on an island somewhere sipping a mai tai, but he’s trying to save this country. He who has no sin cast the first stone.

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

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@TheAlbinoskunk Ай бұрын

He doesn't drink

@jenniferrobinson4464 Ай бұрын

He is not doing it for his country first. He is doing it for himself first and foremost.

@tammyarneson7032 Ай бұрын

@@jenniferrobinson4464which affects we the people in a positive way. Others are in it for themselves and it affects we the people in a negative way.

@noelhausler8006 Ай бұрын

@@TheAlbinoskunk Alcohol can cause a droop so no performance.Trump "There is no problem I guarantee you" Said after a Florida senator was talking about small hands etc.

@Lukeyyyyy240 Ай бұрын

Who among us is moral? With absolute respect, I disagree with the Doctor on the issue of this year’s candidates. The far more important factor is the policy positions of Pres. Trump and Biden, not their personal lives. The question I would ask Dr. Mohler is: who would be moral enough to be the President of the USA?

@mobiuspaw494 Ай бұрын

Amen brother.

@aroyaliota Ай бұрын

Agree.

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

Ask Stormy Daniels

@artn2950 Ай бұрын

Rand Paul, Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley, Jim Jordan, Ron DeSantis, Nikkey Haley

@warnerchandler9826 Ай бұрын

@@noelhausler2911You, like the rest of the Left, have lost sight of the fact that the American voting public weighed the Stormy Daniels affair and elected Trump President in 2016.

@artn2950 Ай бұрын

Thank you for bringing up how Arabs are not taking up the Palestinian cause!

@terryhoare2989 Ай бұрын

If I had to vote for who I believed would care enough to protect my interests and have the competence and fortitude to carry through on election promises I would vote Trump.

@peterhester8801 Ай бұрын

Trump 2024 I hope.

@brother.teresa Ай бұрын

What election promises did he deliver on in his first term? I'll wait

@hittingthewall Ай бұрын

Thank you, John, for having this fascinating guest on your show. God bless you both 🙏🙏

@DrRhysPritchardPhDMScBSc Ай бұрын

“Christ is lord”. Looks like your AIPAC 🇮🇱 funders are getting some excellent propaganda from you again to let your funders carry on the starving and murdering of thousands of women and children in Palestine 🇵🇸. Excellent work guys AIPAC 🇮🇱 who run both the USA 🇺🇸 and UK governments, not the people of both countries, will be delighted with you too bending your knee to AIPAC 🇮🇱. Long live the Jewish state of Israel 🇮🇱 where “Christ is not lord”.

@rafaelasilvaesouza6732 Ай бұрын

Great episode! I found you through Jordan Peterson and have been following your content because I sense you are a respectful, responsible and smart man, with deep sense of meaning and moral compass towards others. I just love Australia even more now! Thank you for your podcast and for the great guests you have on! I love the music always played in the beginning of each episode, it’s delicate, elegant and motivating! Best wishes from Brazil 🇧🇷 😊

@sandrawilliams740 Ай бұрын

America needs prayers ♡

@PennySmart Ай бұрын

Excellent episode, thank you!

@jamesgordon8867 Ай бұрын

If you don't like Trump, just who do you think is going to stand up to the crowd in Washington DC that can't stop spending, deal with Russia and China, and move our economy forward?

@alanaadams7440 Ай бұрын

The Dems don't have one person who will do it

@lisawhite2431 Ай бұрын

I agree except on the spending. Trump was not fiscally conservative either. Unfortunately.

@jamesgordon8867 Ай бұрын

Who created the federal budget? Line item veto? Blame Congress!

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

The Narcissistic Personalty -Trump - The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump. Believing you are better than others Exaggerating your achievements or talents Expecting constant praise and admiration Believing you are special Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feeling Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans Taking advantage of others Expressing disdain for those who you feel to be inferior Being Jealous of others Believing others are jealous of you Being easly hurt and rejected Having fragile self-esteem Appearing tough-minded or unemotional

@polarissilvertree 26 күн бұрын

I agree with Trump's China policy. As for Russia -- you must be crazy. Anytime you'd rather trust Putin over your own intelligence agencies is a BAD sign that you are being "owned".

@janielogan-bell2842 Ай бұрын

Have you read the Bible? Which one of their leaders were perfect?

@Serving.God.And.Humanity Ай бұрын

Outstanding and remarkable work Hon. Former PM of Australia, John Anderson, and Dr. Albert Mohler exposing and declaring the truth! 💯 God bless you! 💯✝️🕊🙏❤️🇨🇦🇬🇧🇮🇱🇺🇸

@de1623 Ай бұрын

Correction, John Anderson was never Prime Minister, only deputy PM. Just letting you know, from an Aussie. Was great interview though.

@marcwalker9610 Ай бұрын

Mohler is way off base down talking Trump. Trump may not be an evangelical, but he did more for Christian and Jewish rights than any of his predecessors. Not impressed by this guy whatsoever

@jackbailey7512 Ай бұрын

Yeah this dude is a clown. Any Christian who starts talking about trumps morality is not a serious person. Turn the other cheek bs do they not know what time it is?

@musiclady8621 Ай бұрын

Me either.

@polarissilvertree 26 күн бұрын

Mohler is speaking the truth about Trump. Trump is an underqualified and unethical AND utterly incompetent former real estate agent who essentially cheated his way into power. And uh, if you look honestly at the data, he's also a fully documented pathological liar. But don't take my word for it -- read up on Trump yourself. None of this is private info -- its just being shrouded by Trump/MAGA propaganda.

@EllieK Ай бұрын

Albert Mohler was a wonderful guest. Thank you so much.

@craigmatchett6953 Ай бұрын

Thanks John and Dr Mohler. It continues to amaze me how countries like America and Australia are so blessed by living according to a Christian world view so blindly disregard that heritage. @John Anderson - can I ask that you reach out to Douglas Wilson (pastor at Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho) and have a talk about Fatherlessness and the pursuit of Christian living.

@marions7423 Ай бұрын

Israel actually doesn't have constitution as far as i know

@KittredgeRitter Ай бұрын

Christianity won’t save the blacks if that’s where you were aiming things.

@heartofsteel7821 Ай бұрын

Israeli is committing genocide before our eyes and you-supposedly learned Christian gentlemen- cannot see that? You are the perpetrators and perpetuators of blatant violation on international law. And it is true that Israel is doing the same things to Palestinians what the Nazis did to the jews, gypsies and blacks. This undeniable. Shame on you both!

@oliverjamito9902 Ай бұрын

Thank you pop Albert for attending!,

@chopincam-robertpark6857 Ай бұрын

Another great one John. You are at your best with Christian Nationalism.

@Linglefamily Ай бұрын

Thankful for Dr. Mohler! A man of faith, and truth, and a very articulate spokesman for the current evil times we live in today! (pray for Dr. Mohler, he is a treasure)

@Ruminator Ай бұрын

Very insightful interview.

@jiahan3849 Ай бұрын

Excellent. Thanks.

@blujay9191 Ай бұрын

Right off the bat there's a great quote regarding Joe Biden... "Servile obedience to whatever is necessary to get him elected to office."

@RobRobertson1000 Ай бұрын

Thank you John, thank you Dr Mohler

@oliverjamito9902 Ай бұрын

Gratitude and Honor!

@ReneDiazJD Ай бұрын

Poor choice for an interview Mr. Anderson. Albert Mohler is analytically shallow, logically hollow, and at heart, a political coward. I think he would prefer to huddle in the pew (or his faculty lounge), and preach pleasant platitudes rather than boldly take a stand in the political world, and stick his neck out to try to re-establish our constitutional Republic. I think we can see it in this interview.

@randylplampin1326 Ай бұрын

Had the apostles expressed themselves as this dude not a single one of them would have been persecuted and killed and Christianity would probably have disappeared altogether.

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

"a man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point." When Prophecy Fails .3. Leon Festinger

@donnat639 Ай бұрын

Great quote. Thank you!

@captainmaim Ай бұрын

Find me an example in Justice Scalia, Justice Thomas, or Justice Coney-Barret. Their convictions are to Christ and they do not show your criticisms in their writings.

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

@@captainmaim In their confirmation hearings I understand they said the Roe Wade was settled law. They changed their minds. Some of the Justices have been found to be receiving gifts of kind from a billionaire who might have cases before them. Justice Thomas had complaints made against him by Anita Hill. Was she lying? Women are often never believed . People are losing confidence in the fairness of the Supreme Court. We now wait to see if Trump were to return would he have total immunity after killing off a political rival.

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

@@captainmaim Justice Coney-Barret, Justice Kavanaugh Justice Coney-Barret in their confirmation hearings said Roe v Wade was settled law. Later their convictions seemed to change and they supported the demolition of Roe Vs Wade. The Federalist Society seems to decide who will be the next Justice. Follow some of Senator Whitehouse speeches exposing where the money is going.

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

@@captainmaim In there Senate confirmation they said Roe v Wade was settled law but later reversed their view. Can one be ever sure any candidate is going to be consistent.

@2009Cake Ай бұрын

Dr. Mohler feels BOTH men are morally undeserving--MORALLY undeserving--of the office (of president). His emphasis. Dr. Mohler's fainting couch must be huge and luxurious. Frankly, the best fainting couch the world has ever seen. No comparison. The pearls he simultaneously clutches while fainting over the thought of a second Trump presidency--fabulous. What a weak man this Mohler guy.

@margaretabendroth8658 Ай бұрын

Research how Southren Baptist Convention took Soros money. Truth be told!

@richardchisholm5151 Ай бұрын

These men speak with authority, to use the expression Christ uses. Their words soothe, nourish, calm and bless and as you listen to them you realise that this ‘speaking with authority’ is beyond investigation or scientific analysis, it just is what it is. I think, though, there is one easy to remember characteristic of the words of a grown up - they are level headed and full of common sense. Listen out for them, give ear to them, draw life from them. They are the antidote to the poison that is everywhere now and they will bring you to life, and keep you in life. If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, to paraphrase Rudyard Kipling, you’ll be one of the grown ups.

@tomtaylor5497 Ай бұрын

John, suggest you find someone to interview over/discuss the book, “The True Believer” by Eric Hoffer. published -1950

@christopherconey732 Ай бұрын

Mr Anderson seems to have forgotten the balanced and extremely well-informed view of the current Israel-Palestine conflict as stated by Professor Mearsheimer not so long ago on his own channel. I recall that Mr Anderson did not challenge Mearsheimer on any of his key points. Yet in this broadcast, Mr Anderson says that the underlying fault lies with the Palestinians. Why?

@throughhumaneyes7648 Ай бұрын

Because they are ignorant of the anglo-americ@n establishment. When ppl know these things they will be embarrassed and the Dr. will recognize he caused children to stumble.

@craigmatchett6953 Ай бұрын

Because Hamas as the elected representatives of Palestinians (who are NOT an ethnic group/country) chose to attack a neighboring country - for ideological reasons. Please remember Hamas controls Gaza. They have a large boarder with Egypt (also a Muslim country) - but very few people are blaming Egypt for closing their boarder to Gaza. If armed forces insert themselves into citizens homes, mosques, hospitals, schools, play grounds - and then shoots rockets from those places ... are the victims of such rockets bound to not return fire, or try to stop them just because they are in citizen locations? The cowardice of Hamas (and those who support such "tactics") is deplorable. If you have a leadership that hate non-Muslims, hate Jews, hate non-believers - then you get political groups like Hamas and regions like Gaza.

@christopherconey732 Ай бұрын

@@craigmatchett6953 I doubt your claim that the Palestinians do not constitute a country or a people. And I also doubt your claim that the Palestinians tout court chose to attack their neighbour. I hope you agree agree that these claims are at least arguable; this comment section is not really the place where such arguments can be run of course, except very briefly. I believe that Egypt is quite a poor country and that it would be a real burden for it to accept the Palestinians, some of whom are not Muslim as we all know. (Presumably, as well as the minority of Christians, there are probably some atheists etc. and of course there are a small number of Palestinians who are married to Jews but I don't know if they consider themselves to also have Palestinian identity). I agree that Israel is in a bind/Catch 22 situation if returning fire from rockets sent from places very close to civilians. But I do not really think that this is a defensive war by Israel. The attacks on 7 October were terrible and outrageous. But they were attacks that did not and do not threaten the Israeli state or its essential institutions. Militarily speaking, Palestine is a flea compared to an Israeli bull. The deaths of something like 30,000 Palestinian civilians is as outrageous as the October 7 attacks, but actually, if numbers mean anything (and they do), it is about 20 times as outrageous as the violence of 7 October. This is a long and deep-seated conflict and there is no sign it will end anytime soon. And even the basis for a peace cannot be laid unless and until the leadership of each side can look with some sympathy and understand on the suffering of the other.

@AloysiusMahoney2155 Ай бұрын

@@craigmatchett6953 When you treat the Palestinians for over a century inhumanely should you expect a humane response?

@aroyaliota Ай бұрын

@@AloysiusMahoney2155we agree Hamas is inhumane, as Demi strayed by their brutality on October 7.

@user-hu1kc3pt7t Ай бұрын

That's your choice.have at it.

@dineshattri653 Ай бұрын

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

@allisoncabral1957 Ай бұрын

Hillary was FAR from gracious upon her 2016 loss…please!!!!

@andrewbaldwin4454 Ай бұрын

Fascinating interview. I will pray for America and the American people. Americans are our neighbour to the south and I wish them all the best. Pace John, it was not the West alone that liberated Jews from the Nazi concentration camps. It was the West and the Soviet Union together that did this. Soviet forces liberated the first concentration camp during the war, Treblinka. The great Soviet novelist Vassily Grossman was a war correspondent then and his account in Russian of what he found out from speaking to survivors of the camp was the first journalistic account of the camps and their liberation to appear in any language. One can read an English translation of what he wrote in the book, "A Writer at War: A Soviet Journalist with the Red Army, 1941-1945."

@bobinindiana Ай бұрын

John Kennedy was a playboy & the results from Illinois went unquestioned.

@StumblingThroughItAll Ай бұрын

Two *major* issues I find with the concept of "only informed citizens should have the right to vote" is that; 1. at some point you have to centralize the decision-making power as to who get's to define "informed citizens", and 2. it provides the ability for the very governing body, who is meant to be held accountable by their voting constituents, to determine which particular constituents get to keep them accountable. Both seem like toxic combinations which fall more closely in line with Sowell's Unconstrained Vision than the Constrained Vision.

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

The 10 most gerrymandered states in the US are GOP states.

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

10 most gerrymandered states in the US Mr Mohler includes Kentucky. Some of Anderson's fellow party members were years ago experts in gerrymandering electorates.

@captainmaim Ай бұрын

Wonderful interview. One point about Xtian Nationalism- many of the examples of it are Catholics. WE'RE INTERNATIONALIST. We have a leader in Rome who is not an American.

@GB-sh9st Ай бұрын

This is no Victor Davis Hanson. His cultural analysis feels myopic and provincial.

@rustymckenzie6252 Ай бұрын

I do like it , that he but is a man of God I need to get on the Trump train

@polarissilvertree 26 күн бұрын

Getting on the Trump Train? I don't think that's what Dr. Mohler said...

@Mevlinous Ай бұрын

35:01 he makes a good point, the sticking points of populism are real, even if they get amplified.

@billwalton4571 Ай бұрын

How dare you touch anything, you will harm the earth!

@WACkZerden Ай бұрын

Please interview RFK JR .

@ablejohn1804 Ай бұрын

Why can't this downloaded?

@ablejohn1804 Ай бұрын

Please sir can I download it permanently on KZfaq?

@dineshattri653 Ай бұрын

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

@aroyaliota Ай бұрын

This guest’s pride is off putting.

@debralittle1341 Ай бұрын

I'm tired of people who criticize presidents. If others think they can do a better job then they should try.

@mobiuspaw494 Ай бұрын

They are cowards, hiding behind their holier than thou masks.

@tyleradamson7242 Ай бұрын

The president is a public office, why would you not criticize it? If we were unable to criticize a president it would look much more like a dictatorship. Criticism is a part of being in public life. People choose that life, and many times before they enter that life, especially so in politics, they themselves have criticized whoever was there. The majority of humans want no part of the public eye and the people who choose to become politicians in this country are representatives of the their private citizen voters.

@Tld6061 Ай бұрын

These two seem a little self righteous.

@liuliumama Ай бұрын

trump 2024

@peterhester8801 Ай бұрын

He talks like a man without sin.If that is so he is the first iv'e ever seen.

@SunnyDay335 Ай бұрын

Fear based thinking keeps this world dysfunction going. It is not about "Constraint". It is about the natural workings of the cosmos which is counter to leftist thinking. I question Dr Mohler's understanding. He has a lot of words that confuse the issue.

@goodtalker Ай бұрын

In 1960 the US was about 90 white and largely non-Catholic. For at least 100 years there was a debate on the role of what government should be doing and not doing. The percentage of private sector employment vs public sector employment was quite different. Compare 1960 with today and you see what has happened. The country, IMHO, is ripe for secession--and I can't wait. I'm 62. My family came to California in 1941from the Deep South. We farmed and had cattle and had a great life. My grandsons will be living in the North of the country, and I wish them well.

@robertreid2499 Ай бұрын

Sir if the covention is told hold all others to a higher standard then you must have them

@mokeboi3328 Ай бұрын

Mohler is a giant...his grasp of history, culture, theology, politics, economics is encyclopedic...his voice is underrated

@stevenwilliams1805 Ай бұрын

🇺🇸 Trump 2024 🇺🇸

@vitaliyliberman6921 Ай бұрын

Great and invigorating conversation…. Didn’t realize I would have so much in common with evangelical scholar.. perhaps we are at the point where middle of the road people need another party..

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

The Mormons which Mohler's church would considered a cult, of which Mitt Romney is a member he has been consistent in his critique of trump's character. Embarrassing': Romney calls out GOP who attended Trump trial. He also suggests Biden could pardon Trump. Interesting as Trump has said he would pardon those people who injured police offices on January 6th.

@csk4j Ай бұрын

He sounds like the Pope.. so it adds to Andrew Tate type criticisms ( millions of people) that nobody knows what Christianity stands for...this may be a bigger problem than other criticisms.. people are in a major crisis seeking clarity

@johnl5316 Ай бұрын

sounds like the guest has an "ego problem'

@donnat639 Ай бұрын

Mohler doesn’t realize he is looking at the man in the mirror, when he pinned ego on someone else. Sad not to be able to search one’s own soul.

@alanaadams7440 Ай бұрын

He is an academic right?

@andrewlaitres9080 Ай бұрын

Vote for Trump.

@liuliumama Ай бұрын

shame on this rino

@chriswolff3131 Ай бұрын

How can you criticize Trump for not accepting the election results and then talk about the shady vote count in several states. You might be part of the problem you outline in this discussion

@csk4j Ай бұрын

As a Christian, I wish the Baptists would really begin to talk about how the church can adapt and improve...we don't develop or care for our young adults (like Mormons) for one..but Christians have no dialogue about strategy and we don't have billions in state sponsorship like Islam..have the Baptists considered contributing to Harvard like the Muslims?

@LindeeLove 29 күн бұрын

Trump is the most depraved person I have ever witnessed.

@csk4j Ай бұрын

democracy is simple.. import Muslims & politics will shift...also if Islamic donors > Jewish donors that equals ...

@baibamennika4480 Ай бұрын

You were slow to condemn nazi an Holocaust we in Soviet union no, it was teached from first day in the school, we went to Salaspils concentration cam and we saw that there were murdered not jews only. It is problem of West that what is happening now

@adamavalos6258 Ай бұрын

Trump 2024

@allisoncabral1957 Ай бұрын

Mr. Mohler is in denial…

@paperclip612 Ай бұрын

Why doesn't Mohler throw his hat into the ring? Much criticism but no solutions.

@joykeebler1916 Ай бұрын

- e vol (ume) u t ion _ .. .. .._

@WACkZerden Ай бұрын

Robert F Kennedy JR for president

@belichagua Ай бұрын

#Trump2024

@simonstuhl4170 Ай бұрын

This guy is a false teacher. Beware of the subtle LIE, he preaches.

@debbiebernhard7932 Ай бұрын

We don’t like you Trump 2024

@CousinJennie Ай бұрын

I wish religion would just go away. If we have to have it, can we just make it a personal thing and not let it interfere in politics?

@ulrichkern7004 Ай бұрын

Really? Atheistic regimes were so wonderful for the people living under them?! Think again.

@larryfloydwimber3121 Ай бұрын

❤❤❤ dr M thinks HE is greater then GOD B S❤❤❤😂🎉😢😮😅😊

@warminster1005 Ай бұрын

A waste of time to watch this.

@rodbarton4553 Ай бұрын

Stay away from this one

@abdelwahabkhoualdia2056 Ай бұрын

Two Sionists talking one from Aus and the other from USA. It is not important who starts the war on the 7 of October. It was the occupation of Palestine by Israel that caused the war.

@johnl5316 Ай бұрын

it was the occupation of Jewish lands by Arabs that started the problem

@dianewarner7505 Ай бұрын

Palestine has been occupied be Hamas since 2007.

@billatkinson4915 Ай бұрын

Like the "climate emergency/catastrophe/change" which focuses on the most recent weather data, you are only considering the most recent history, even going back to WWII and the Holocaust doesn't give enough historical perspective on the Israeli problem. It IS crucial from a moral point of view to respond to a people who commit terrible atrocities.

@True_Heretic Ай бұрын

When Trump was asked "What's your favourite passage in the Bible?" he thought for a moment and then said "Its all good. Its all good". He couldn't give a proper answer because he clearly has never read the book. Or probably any book. Though he can read the autocue.

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

He missed the passage that Paul said the man's body (Trump) belongs to his wife (Melania, not Stormy Daniels) The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife . Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. 1 Corinthans 7

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

Not sure if my response will not disappear hope u get to read it.

@True_Heretic Ай бұрын

@@noelhausler2911 It disappeared, and so do a lot of mine. Please try again.

@noelhausler2911 Ай бұрын

@@True_Heretic a lot of the constituents for the party that John Anderson represented would be rural Lutherans. The Lutheran Church in Australia seems to be on the verge of a split over the issue of woman pastors.

@True_Heretic Ай бұрын

@@noelhausler2911 Not a big Anderson fan. Most of his guests are right wingers and his party represented the country rube section of the Australian electorate who probably don't know too much, a bit like their Republican cousins. It doesn't help that the church is full of Evangelicals, who aren't exactly in the front of the queue for enlightened thinking, in my opinion. so of course they aren't going to be the biggest fans of equality in the modern day. Much to their ill fame. Hausler? A German name? I know Lutherism started in Germany, for good reasons. And that many early Lutherans in Australia were German.