I honestly think this is what these cars were intended for. They provided tuners with a great blank canvas for a project car. They even made the exhaust tip cutouts extra large compared to the stock pipes haha. I really want to build one of these. They look so damn sexy.

If a brz came from the factory with 350hp then it would cost $50k. What the hell is wrong with people

I was just waiting for the blind-spot mirror to fly off on the supercharged one.

Why does he look like Conan

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Anyone notice the Supra at 1:26 and 370 at 1:29 lol

I liked the microphone in the first car much better 😆 I've never had a supercharged car, but a few turbos. I have to say I'd probably prefer the supercharger because I HATE turbo lag.

If you're not going past 300hp I think supercharging wins for the easier installation and slightly better response. However, if you rebuild with pistons and rods then it's a no brainer for the turbo. It's still amazing that you can create boost out of these high compression engines safely for a daily driver. I doubt there is any lag with a small turbo high comp at all.

That's not a blowoff valve sound, that's a turbo surge sound. Air is actually going back into the turbo instead of out into the atmosphere. Some say surging will damage your turbo quicker over time but it sounds so good it's damn worth it.

Those turbo sounds are to die for, i wish i could shift and it would make that sound lmao

This was a great comparison and incredibly helpful. Looking to do a BRZ/86 swap and just started research (thinking WRX, Volvo T5, VR6 or something). Although I'm already sick of hearing "it's like it shoulda come from the factory".

That's what I hear a lot. That the supercharger leaves the feel or character of the engine the same as factory, and the turbo makes the engine feel completely different.

Oh my god I was so close to committing to a supercharger but that flutter in this video just entirely converted me oh my god 🤤

Excelente video, también elegiría el súpercargado saludos 👍🏻

Nice Video Dude! Ide go with the turbo...cause turbo noises are more fun. Fun over everything!

the turbo stututu sounds amazing

I prefer Black BRZ because that was fast so cool, way to go Eric! ;)

My dream car.. few more years and I will be able to buy you..and build you, according to my preference :)

I wonder the price difference between them

Used to own a WRX with a stage 2 STI swap and yes turbo was so fun especially during cold season I got a whole lot more power. I’d be curious comparison in different climates.

Turbos are by far the best smiles per gallon you will find.

Well, I couldn't decide how to boost my BRZ once warranty lapsed but, by the look on your face, I'm definitely gonna go a turbo.

which one is faster between the two?

Which one is better and quick ?

5/5

Holy cow if that brz truly puts down 360hp to the wheels, that is freakin amazing. I wanna see it race some other cars, it should be a monster

So do both of these cars have built motors? Or do they have stock internals? Great vid man, love the work!

I am 6'5" they all feel like death traps honestly lol. At least here in Raleigh. The roads are so bad you need a car that has good dampening.

Remember the 86 turbo vs the 86 n/a? Then the guy switched to a supercharger to calm the car down. Kind of reminds me of that.

ah yes, this car with turbo has a turbo feel to it

If i understand correctly, the supercharger activates in the lower rpms, so as a daily, are u cruising 27mph in third with higher rpms? my exhaust and headers make it loud enough, i want more power, but i cruise to work and school at 20-40pmh and i try to stay lower in my rpms

How about accseleration form 0 to 100 km/h?

What’s the blow off valve on the turbo

Great comparision, as an owner of a 2017 BRZ with a Greddy T518Z it does indeed give it that rubberband feel as you say but driven a few supercharged ones myself, I too would say it's a draw. Both options create much more of a dynamic driver's car and it all boils down to personal tastes. I definitely wouldn't change my setup as both a road car/track car to what I already have though ;)

205 hp 156 lb-ft of torque

New 2022 is being delivered across the us. I’m looking to snag one on the cheap used and go balls to the wall with it and do a time attack type build. Function focused mods but with tasteful aesthetic mods to make it look super clean.

This is an interesting comparison; and the controversy of which is better, belt drive/parasitic/immediate vs exhausted/free/lag, all real concerns and there is no good way to please everyone with one solution; however, I think it would be a more meaningful if you had both cars running the same boost and same fuel systems, ie: 10psi on both and either both on e85 or 91/92/93 pump gas. Also both with similar supporting equipment, intercoolers, at least similar clutches, and tires(type and size). My current set-up is a turbo running 10psi on pump gas however someone running the exact same set-up on e85 will easily put down 15-20% more horsepower and torque, so just looking at the numbers on this comparison it seemed the turbo set-up was pretty anemic. If all this was more level-set it would be great to hear a review and see some acceleration times such as 1/8mile, 1/4mile, 0-30, 0-60, 0-100. It might provide people with more objective information on what might suit their power goals.

YES ! That 350 whp is definitely the goal

So how much of a difference does that flex fuel make compared to like premium? Isn't it really bad for the engine to use regularly?

You'd want the Edelbrock SC because it's easier to map due to predictable boost - but they only got 240 whp out of their tune on stock injectors and pump on 91. Rear CV axels and manual trans is weak on these. The Asin AZ6 manual is rated to 250nm (184ftlbs of torque). Coincidentally the 2022 gr86/brz makes peak 184 ftlbs. It's the same trans as used in the Miata, RX8 and Silvia. So, the average enthusiast would probably be best to go Edelbrock and keep it to 240 wheel like they do. That is still likely 70-100 crank hp over stock as the stock engine runs 160-170 whp depending on the dyno. Really you have to ask yourself, have I maxed out the power that I already have? The presenter here is shown accelerating after his on ramp without drift or drama in the wide tire black brz on e85. Would a more eager driver, in a stock brz on stock tires, be able to take that same on ramp to much faster speed? I think they would. Looking for muscle car torque from a lightweight momentum car seems to miss the point of the game here. Since e85 and a header alone will get you over 200 whp (25% over stock), that makes a lot of sense if you have access. If you don't have access, you can order it online and fuel up at home only or go flex fuel... but many people find that that's too much of a pain in the ass. Again, have you maxed out the car yet on your own? Maybe start with some wide tires? 255 works but rubs on the front tie rod at full lock (on mine), probably best to go 245 or 250. Stock is 215. Given the torque limitation of the transmission, consider the Jackson Racing centrifugal supercharger as another commonly used option. That is, if you even need it. Downshifting for power seems to be working for me so far, when that maxes out I'll switch from long pressing the traction control to pulling the ABS fuse. Still looking into the possibility of adding a SC though not sure I need one and don't want to lose the stock reliability. I considered flex fuel as well but not sure how much I want a big drum of e85 in my backyard next to my wood stove... pretty sure I don't need that. Since max speed on public roads is realistically 30% above the posted limit, maybe I'm good with my wide tires and lowering springs.

I own a 2020 Hakone Edition 86. I'm just curious. How long would the life expectancy of the engine last with either set up.

How much extra money are we talking abt over stock to have mods exactly like these. Which is cheaper to buy n maintain?

3:10 that microophone thooo

I don't get it, "300whp, 215wtq as tested - 360whp, 300wtq peak". So it it 300 or 360 hp? Can you explain the difference as to why there are these two numbers?

CARB legal...not as shown. The Edelbrock SC does offer a CARB tune, and comes with an EO sticker, but that Delicious Flex Kit is not CARB legal, and neither are the (likely) upgraded injectors that are needed for that power level for the BRZ on ethanol, nor is the Delicious Flex Kit Tune that the can is running. So don't be confused by the video, this car would not pass the California visual inspection, and any intelligent cop pulling someone over who pops the hood would send the owner to the smog ref, so run a flex fuel setup at your own risk.

When you add those engine mods, what else must you change about the car? Gear ratios, tires, cambers ect? I am a noob. Also, I love to drive my stock BZR. So much fun!

Does the turbo sound like that from the turbo kit, or is that a separate BOV I thought that noise was the lack of a BOV

So, those turbo/sc -ing the brz/frs/86, did they buy the wrong car? The reason I ask is because this seems to be the number 1 complaint. Would buying a different car from the get go solve the need to add double power? I'm considering a brz, but I have zero plans to modify the engine. Will I be that disappointed? Current car is a stock mk4 gti 1.8t.

Too bad they used such a week Turbo setup to compare with here. Not to mention the turbo car had the crappy stock wheels and tire size that makes a huge difference. A supercharger might have a more linear power band but it would never be able to hang with a more aggressive turbo setup. A few upgrades to the fuel and oil system and you can push way more boost and tons more HP with a bigger Turbo on these cars. Very good video with these cars you had available though nice work.

Do you happen to know the exhaust setup on the turbo brz ? Great vid btw!👍🏼

Vreat video but it would be really nice if you did a longer one and got more in depth. This one was a bit rushed and glossed over details

No compression reduction pistons or new rods in these?

Can’t be a draw. Which one please

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Turbo... for the feel.

Ummm where's the supercharger whine?

What's a cost factor for each? Supercharger less expensive?

I'm not disputing that Subaru could make a turbo BRZ. I'm not even disputing that some people would buy it. It would tempt me. Although I hadn't previously thought of it, I agree that Subaru doesn't want to compete with the WRX. But I still think a 300-350 wheel horsepower BRZ, the kind that could keep up with Porsches, would be high $30's, not low. Obviously I don't actually know how much it would cost them to make one. It seems highly likely you don't really know that either. But a WRX makes 268 horsepower until you pay at least $36,000 for an STI. Some people would buy a $36,000+ BRZ if it had 300+ wheel horsepower. But STI's and Civic Type R's would still be selling. So would BMW 2 series. And all that completely ignores that we are still talking turbochargers when the linear nature of the supercharged BRZ seemed to be what RevMatchTV liked the most. Maybe Subaru could make a BRZ with more power than the WRX for the same price as a base WRX. If they can, that would sell amazingly well. They should do it. But I doubt they can. And for north of $35,000, I stand by my earlier assertion that for the most part the people who would buy a 350 wheel horsepower BRZ from the factory are the same people who already built their own.

Can anyone explain the E85 fuel thing?? If a BRZ stock needs 91+ octane wouldn't changing it to a lower octane rating mess with the engine?

What exhaust is on the supercharged BRZ?

is supercharge and turbo at the same time possible (idk about cars)

Which one is cheaper to maintain? The turbo or the supercharger?

Tbh Hyundai should have just said that a tech "swapped" a muffler and get it retested

Stock - perfect affordability for Starting your journey Supercharger - Great upgrade if you want to just a bit of boost once you've saved up money but don't wanna go hard on the mods Turbo - unlock the full potential of the platform but be ready to pay the price in time and money

I like turbo for the sttutututu

350whp is a lot for the factory for a 30k car. It was at around 300 CRANK HP(~240-250whp) than yea maybe a bit more believable, but even then, something would need to be sacrificed or adding more cost which means passing the cost to the consumers(YOU). So yea it's fine at 200 just sucks that you can get more from small/cheaper modifications i.e, headers, exhaust, cold air intake, etc…

Was the Edelbrock on the stock header?

I expected the turbo to have more power, odd it has less.

only thing that dissapointed me with the super charged one (and maybe the camera didnt pick it up or im deaf af) no super charger whine :(

Should if ran that Supra when merging on to the freeway the first time

I had a turbo FRS. Nice car but with an aftermarket turbo, the car was super high maintaince. Exhaust leaks popping up every few weeks. Very annoying to jack the car up, take the underpanels off and on just to fix the exhaust leaks (there were two underpanels, one steel and one plastic). I eventually sold the car because I was fed up with constantly fixing the exhaust leaks and it eventually got so bad, i could smell the fumes inside my car, made me physically sick. I may go back to the 86 platform again. If I do and decide to do FI, it will be the supercharger route not turbo route.

Wait this isn’t a sponsored video approved by your opinion or just simply facts? There is a difference lol

How about biturbo?

turbo is more fun to drive. You can actually feel it when you do a pull

Where can I find that supercharger state legal 🤔

Haha this is near where i live and i got a brz

isnt the Turbo wheelspin dangerous?

Question: How much torque can stock AT transmission handle?

Did you get your numbers flipped? The turbo should be way faster and have more power than the SC.

I think I'll turbocharge it. Consumes less, so it's a better daily driver. Fuel is super expensive in Germany, 1,45€/liter.

Any one now how much the turbo cost?

If they are same horsepower,supercharge should be better,but much more expensive,that why the company make turbo more than other.

The stock NA just revs higher and have way less problems. In my opinion tuned stock is the better way to go. If u want a pounchy car. Buy a Golf R or Audi Rs. Anyone same thought?

Daily drive super charger, race track turbo...

I’d take the turbo one

How much were those builds though is what I want to know...lol

"If it came like this from the factory, I'd buy one." I don't think you would. That was a lot of money under the hood of that supercharged car. If they did that from the factory, the price would go up. Sure, not as much as it does when an individual does it, but at $35-40,000 I think most people would get a Focus ST, Civic type R, or even a 2 series BMW (you can get the straight six for $45,000). Unless the cars in this video had all bolt-on's. Subaru/Toyota could do that for a $5-10,000 price increase I'd think. Did they not upgrade the pistons or connecting rods? Everything I've heard is that the difference between 350 whp and 350 hp at the crank is the difference between needing to upgrade engine internals and not. But these cars claim 350 whp and the list of mods didn't include pistons or connecting rods. For the most part the people who would buy a factory supercharged BRZ for $35-40,000 bought an NA one and built their own. For that money I prefer a BMW interior. More than I prefer the BRZ's light weight? I'm not sure. That's a tough call. Clearly for more people than just me.

Graphs, jokes, bewbs- most car channels offer at least one of these in addition to cars. Very creative and adventurous of you to offer neither information nor entertainment.

The BRZ needs 1 more trim option with the FA20DIT and all its problems would be solved..

How much does the turbocharged one cost to bulid

Too bad he kept shifting before they hit power peak

I wonder if his comments were made subjectively

Many people will say that stock they are tuned to perfection, but if that’s the case why are people so heavily modifying them. It’s because they need to improve. I feel you man they are so. Underpowered stock, I remember seeing drag racing videos of them and was disappointed by the times they put down stock.

Don’t think the white one is a 2017

Is that a supra? Min 1:31

Which one is more expensive to implement and which one requires the most upkeep and care after install? I want more power but I don’t want all the cliche guages and have to worry about blowing my engine every day. Good video. Thank you.

Is it worth putting a super charger on a frs with 80,000 miles?

I've always liked these cars, but the price in my opinion is ridiculous.

Why don't they give it a 280hp engine power

There is no way the edelbrock car makes 350whp on a stock pulley with normal gas. That’s just straight up bullshit.