Aye chill on us😂

thay is why they use lots of stickers

​@jamdc2000 wings are more affective

turbo 2.0 foamin at the mouth rn

Nah, every honda I have driven is overrated by 100 horsepower lmao.

Yeah, same goes for many eu brands whereas brands like tesla are built on lies

Yeah. They're basically saying "no matter what you do, you'll still have AT LEAST this many ponies"

that is because in the past much of Europe has used permutations of the DIN HP testing principles, which in the past meant guaranteed minimum warranted power, which means the power after parasitic consumers, using an example used on lorry's, DIN HP was the minimum HP observed during a 1hour dyno test, consequently, given DIN HP was guaranteed minimum warranted power, manufactures would always be conservative in their HP statements, with HP often being >10% more than stated, to avoid warranty engine replacements, especial in industrial and farming sectors, given it is much easer to get dyno readings of PTO and gearbox outputs. to do proper dyno testing can take tens of hours, given you need to spend >1h at each RPM step, to plot the lowest observed torque at that RPM. while modern HP standards are not a rigorous as the old DIN methods in Europe, though they still require parasitic consumers present like PAS, AC, fans, alternators and the water pump operating, unlike some some SAE methods which can have many, most or all parasitic consumers of power missing, including sometimes fundamentals like the water pump etc.

stereo on? but HPs vary depending on the song...

😂😂

Another indirect way to say your american

@@zaags You’re** The spelling, ‘your’ imposes ownership over something, while you’re is reserved for statements in which a noun is followed by a verb; ‘you are’, for example, a correct use of your and you’re would be: Your comment is implying that I should be ashamed of being American, however you’re here in the comments section of a video celebrating American cars, which I guess is another way of saying you’re envious that I am American and you are not. :-)

Crash test ratings being useless, it tells you how well a car is engineered. The Corvette C8 disintegrates in accidents from news reports I have seen.

Another indirect way to say you're American

That Modular V8 is one of my favorite besides the Voodoo

Yeah, Ford REALLY didn't want another '99 Cobra incident.

It was closer to 360-390 hp at the wheels and 420-450 hp at the crank.

@@Epotheros A guy I saw had a cold air intake and cat-back exhaust and got 408 at the wheels.

@@Swervin309I was using data from a list of owners on the SVT Performance forum who had their Cobra's dyno'd circa 2005. Reported rwhp numbers for unmodified SVT Cobras were: 368, 358 (389 with CAI), 363, 393, 374, and 372. That averages out to 371 rwhp. Lightly modified were 388 (just a K&N filter on a dynojet), 393 (K&N and cat back, 389 (CAI), 374 (K&N filter), and 391 (K&N filter). That averages to 387 rwhp when lightly with a CAI filter and or exhaust.

What countries are those? I lived in Europe a decade in several countries and never heard that. Italy had a higher tax band over two liters, which is why Ferrari had a 208 model (just under 2L V-8) with turbo, while the rest of the world had the 308 (3L V-8). Despite the extra cost of the turbo, the 208 was cheaper to the end customer.

​@@lqr824in Italy you pay a tax called "bollo" the more hp you have (or to be precise the more kw you have). And if you have more than 185kw you have to pay an additional tax called "super bollo" which makes it almost impossible for a commoner to own a powerful car since you have to pay thousands of euros per year just because you own that car.

@@robertseba1795 Do they also have different tax categories for displacement, or is was that replaced by this HP tax? Britain historically had a tax that was stated in terms of "horsepower" but in fact it was a horsepower that was calculated based on the cylinder count times cylinder BORE. Not on measured power, nor even on displacement. This is why the Jaguar E-type had a very small bore and long stroke: to keep the tax low. That might have ended in the 1960s or 1970s though.

​@@lqr824In Germany displacement is still the main tax component, 2 euros per 100 cubic centimeters for petrol and 9.50 euros for a diesel. To which an emissions tax is also added, if your car produces more than 95 grams of CO2 per kilometer. There is an exception for vehicles older than 30 years, which meet the conditions for an H-registration. They all pay 191.73 euros (46.02 if it's a motorcycle).

Norway

Hahaha that's cool, wonder how that ties into the built in power gauges

@@KolbPRODit’s measured by the transmission clutch/flywheel and it records NM/torque. The gauges are a great way to see if your car is pulling power or if something else is off with the motor (vanos, valvelift, coils etc) just by monitoring the gauges.

BMW definitely lies about their HP. They lie down. Their vehicles usually produce more than what they advertise, in my experience💯

M5 CS makes 710 at the wheels, around 780 at crank, BMW claims 710.

Seems bmw ratings are for wheel hp Supra was rated 382 and tested at 383 wheel on car and driver

It might be slower to 60 because shifts or traction it won't be slower in the quarter though all things equal. 0-60 is a stupid useless Stat that puts a magnifying glass on traction or lack thereof not so much power. Cars are powerful enough now to where it has become a useless traction based Stat.

Remember that it is running low on torque while heavy.

I'm in awe of his animations. The accuracy in detail, looks, and shapes of them all are always spot on

I dont understand why Americans or Aussies dont like to do it, but the dyno can actually also calculate the powertrain loss as accurate as it measures the power output. Thats why many european who are on the dyno, quickly shift to neutral and let the car roll out in this gear position. Many say that it isnt accurate. But if you dont trust the accuracy of this method, then you also should have to doubt the accuracy of the power output measuring, because its the same principal just "backwards". There is also a german youtube channel, which dynos lots of cars and d Theyre doing a weekly video of a dyno day. And 80% of stock cars theyre measuring have the advertised engine power output within 1PS difference. The other 20% are those which over- or under perform. This shows that this method is prety accurate.

@@G.J.G.P.What’s the name of the channel?

@@sstevocamaro halle 77 dortmund playlist: eure autos auf der rolle

Gentleman's agreement that's why

​@@ilham7345do your research thats not actually why.

​@@johndc2998it is why all Japanese sport cars were under rated hp at the time

Also the JDM a80 had vvti while the usdm didn't.

@@kilotiger7780 I can't remember if later gen US ones did get it, or early gen JDM ones didn't have it, but pretty sure there was a weird edge case for that, but otherwise yes.

facts the combo of history an da engineering is real good way of learning

I think that was a joke. Lol He throws on sarcastic jokes in quite often without ever shifting his tone

@@PavelisLord Yeah, maybe I took it too literally. If you drive like a madman then economy and safety are second. 🙂

Honestly he's got a good point. Crash testing is misses a lot of important factors. Better to see what the insurance companies say since they base the rankings from irl data. Fuel consumption is also kinda off since modern cars recognize test conditions and use very aggressive fuel saving measures.

After getting crushed by the dashboard of a Hyundai tiburon… I won’t get in a car under 4k lbs. my Beamer is a tank she wouldn’t budge at 100 in a wreck.

With a 6 speed those cars would be perfect.

The Mach 1and the cobra are not the same engine. They both were aluminum block and 281 in. The SVT cobra was a 9.8.1 compression ratio & the Mach 1 was 10.1. The 96-99 cobra used a teksid block while the 03-04 Mach 1 used a WAP block. The 99& 01 cobras put down around 272 whp, Mach 1 5 speeds put down around 275-280 sae. You also have to remember that a solid rear axle will put out higher rear wheels numbers than the irs cobra.

@@jayf429 you missed the entire point of what I said. This video is about underrating and overrating power numbers. The blocks have perfectly interchangeable parts. The only reason the WAP blocks had to be made is because the Italian company that made the teksid blocks decided to stop making them for ford so ford had to make their own. The dimensions are virtually identical. So instead of responding to both what 337 SPEED said and also my point, you instead go off an a tangent about details that don’t make any difference here. Seriously bro you need to improve your reading skills. If I start talking about ice hockey you’re the kind of weirdo that will bring up poker or World War One or something. So either talk about rated vs actual power numbers or stop talking

@@carado1984 True! But it’s biggest need by far was wider tires. Those tiny 245’s are just awful for something with that much torque

@@jayf429the 03 mach1 is the same aluminum block engine from the 99-01 cobra. This after they recalibrated the 99 cobra engine during the recall. The Mach 1 also shares engines with the marauder, mark 8 and navigator.

People nowadays worry about how many avocado toasts they can eat in their Tesla than how much HP cars actually make.

Germans have been underrating their engines for a long time. My 2012 BMW 116i is a great example of that, from the factory they have "136hp" but they actually have 140hp at the rear wheels

​@@kristoffer3000that's still dog shit slow. But the M5 is the goat as are as false HP😂

@@invalidusername_5101 for a normal, affordable car it's really not bad, it's not very heavy. I did remap mine though, 200hp now which is more than enough for the roads here. Timed it from 0-100kmh in 6.8 sec.

I think a lot of them are trying to test under worst possible conditions like low quality fuel on a hot day with some thicker oil than expected. Something that puts the engine in a "most conservative" state for ignition timing, injectors, etc. That way, if someone puts 87 octane from walmart in their Porsche and does a dyno pull on a summer day in Arizona, it'll still probably hit the advertised power rating, in spite of the owner's best efforts.

@@themanwithsauce most if not all performance cars require 93 tho

If a 700 hp old camaro is running 12s it has alot of problems besides just gearing and trans choices.

The 10 speeds are aggressive geared and don't need steep gearing they work best with 3.15

@@midnight347 That is true enough, but, in a way, also a build problem if the driver can't handle the output correctly,

@@midnight347 True. The Mustangs have a 3:15 base, and the Camaro's have 3.27 with their auto, I believe. A lot of other performance cars, Mopars, BMWs, etc seem to have 3,90s, though.

Also weight difference in cars is a huge factor. A 500hp car could beat a 700hp car because the 700 hp car is too heavy. Dont just compare hp. Compare the Power to Weight ratio of each car for more accuracy. The wrong diameter tires. You want faster Launch? Don't use 22" wheels. Use 16". Tires and wheels can be too heavy causing too much rolling resistance. Aerodynamics can make a lower hp car beat a car with more power. Transmissions that lose too many RPM's between shifts can kill your 1/4 mile times.

This and the "so you want" series when alex still did them

Me too! But my LS sounds come out of a CTS-V

But as is, it's not even 400hp and gross that is

@@goldenltd1970 At least there's an entire valley of torque to smoke the tires out

My 2012 116i is a great example of that, they are supposed to make 136hp but they actually make 140hp at the rear wheels. Exact same engine as the 118i and a few years of 120i as well so it remaps to 200-220hp and if you're so inclined the auto box is the ZF8hp45 which is rated for 450nm so it remaps extremely safely, actual performance bargain.

I mean not really, if you're mentioning torque and power, you have to mention revs

Not really... This explanation is ridiculous too. Power is how much work engine can do in time.

@@FirssenSimracing yep, torque + revs = power, so nothing is more important than average power across the usable power band through gearing

They were a lot of times making at the wheels what they were rated at the motor.

And you can get that caravan turbo with a 5spd manual and run high 11s with basic mods+ stripping the interior, the mopar GLSH and turbo Daytonas were prett fast back in the day, there was even a turbo Trans Am

I was going to post the same thing. Everyone forgets that America can build turbo cars. It was Americans who wanted big NA in their American cars.

​​@@wutang80oc39that turbo trans am had displacement and boost, and only made 200 hp

@@ellisjackson3355then in 89 they put the GNX 3.8 turbo in a limited Trans am. The 89 turbo TA runs with the 4th gen LS1. In 89 that was ridiculously fast

No one should ever start with a vw or bmw. You will be broke within months of fixing things that don’t break on any other car

@@ThorOdinson-zc2kq Thats true in america, not europe.

@@Xtcent no it only affects German and Italian engineers, not Japanese or American

BMW definitely underrated their power and MPG! My g05 x5 was rated 26mpg Highway from the factory, but I’m getting 28-29 mpg while driving 85-90 mph on the highway.

Can't even what?

Dyno-might!