Turin Legato First Impressions | DF Espresso Machine!

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The Turin brand burst onto the scene in the past few years making very popular grinders under the "DF" naming structure. But now, they've made a surprising and bold move into the espresso machine space to take on the likes of Gaggia and Rancilio. Can their first machine, the Legato, replicate the bang for buck the company is known for? In this initial unboxing and first impressions video, we look to get a feel for exactly that!
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@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

Filmed and editing this afternoon! This one was waiting to come out of the box for a while, so thought I'd bring you guys along with me to share the very first look!

@nickdual 3 ай бұрын

I subscribed

@nickdual 3 ай бұрын

which country made in? China?

@marosmatej8762 3 ай бұрын

please edit your video. You are not right. The coffee maker was made by a factory called "Guangdong Gemilai Intelligent Technology" and grinder is from "Ningbo Frigga Electric Appliance". Sellers only brand this machines

@LifestyleLab_ 3 ай бұрын

Where in my video was I incorrect? Everyone knows Turin is a Chinese rebranding by US importers...

@BelovedNL 6 ай бұрын

This is not “manufactured by Turin”, this is a mass production unit from China, rebranded under way more brands than you already mentioned. You can buy two for $258 a piece, this is why they are rebranded so much: it’s a cheap machine, with a large margin for resale.

@tagheuer02 6 ай бұрын

But what difference does it make? You're now talking about the label on the front. Would it make you feel better if they put a label that said La Marzocca, or Profitec etc? At the end of the day these espresso machines are very simple, a boiler, a pump, cheap Chinese made PID. It's all the same really

@tagheuer02 6 ай бұрын

Yeah only time will tell. Generally speaking espresso gear is simple and grossly overpriced. If this thing is reliable, Gaggia, Rancilio and others are in trouble

@muhamadfaizalias858 6 ай бұрын

its made by corrima/gemilai. model number crm3007L

@chikunman133 6 ай бұрын

@@thefrail125 from what i learned (i researched it and placed an order last week), this particular model has had a few revisions (hence the L on the end of the CRM3007L) and its been around for roughly 12 years mainly in the Asian market. Its durability has been proven. Now that its coming to the US market, its only a matter of time for people to hop on board and start hacking it and modding it.

@heyiceman 6 ай бұрын

I’ve been looking at grinders lately - this immediately turned me off from Turin completely. Thanks for the heads up!

@yohankim6843 2 күн бұрын

I returned this product last month...it doesn't have the 9Bar OPV that most machines have.. Instead, I got Gaggia Classic Pro. I am so satisfied with my new machine. People think Turin Legato's bar gauge and water temperature will help best espresso or easy to use, however these function useless, you will realize what I mean. and... it's just china product but expansive

@orrinbelcher6593 6 ай бұрын

Fun first look, greatly appreciate the unboxing, looking forward to your full review

@tomscott4438 Ай бұрын

6 months later and still no “full” review.

@LifestyleLab_ Ай бұрын

Sorry Tom, I do have a day job.

@danieldougan269 6 ай бұрын

Love the float in the drip tray!

@Yirgamalabar 6 ай бұрын

Nice preview! For the full review, please check if the OPV is adjustable and if so, how easy it is to adjust. I'm also curious if that pre-infusion time is for the initial pump action or for a pause that follows it.

@dnsbck 6 ай бұрын

This machine reminds me a lot of my very first espresso machine, the Solis Gran Barista. At the time it was the perfect machine for me. The Turin Legato looks so similar besides the front with the gauge etc. But - I bought the Solis new for less then 300 Euros at the time.

@chinoauma 5 ай бұрын

When will the full review be released? subscribed

@bigwave_dave8468 6 ай бұрын

Be advised, these machines are not Italian-manufactured as the name "Turin" would have you believe. They're made in China by the Ningbo Frigga Electric Appliance Co--like most prosumer/consumer brands (Breville etc..)--nothing wrong with that but it explains the large price discrepancy for similar features.

@muhamadfaizalias858 6 ай бұрын

its made by corrima/gemilai in china. model number CRM3007L

@veganpotterthevegan 6 ай бұрын

While it doesn't say it's made in Italy, Italy has terrible standards for being to claim something is made there anyway. That said, as someone that worked in the bike industry for over 15yrs, a lot of Italian branded goods had better QC when they moved manufacturing to China.

@joekolb3937 6 ай бұрын

Website is clear about where they are made. Never says anywhere made in italy

@bigwave_dave8468 6 ай бұрын

@@joekolb3937 The name "Turin" is misleading and most folks are hearing about this and many other machines from the scads of KZfaq videos. Country of origin is not obvious on their website and "Contact Us" page gives no clues. Companies should not obfuscate their origin but I doubt anybody is worse off for knowing that.

@espressomatic 5 ай бұрын

actually, they're made by Guangdong Gemilai Intelligent Technology Co.,Ltd., Shunde District, Foshan City - and released under the subsidiary Corrima along with dozens of other machines.

@back_to_the_bike8820 2 ай бұрын

thanks for the video. Did you measure the extraction pressure?

@geekanoids 6 ай бұрын

I think I commented similar on another of your awesome videos. What cups are you using here?

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

Both from Kruve :)

@coreycannon4511 6 ай бұрын

Coffee Nerd Aaron just posted a review on this machine. His sample came with that scoop/tamper along with a Breville-esque one as well. I wonder if that tamper got left out in re-packing. Although it had the Breville’s silhouette, the handle was square and was a bit loose in the portafilter.

@thomasneddon 6 ай бұрын

This actually matches my requested machine specs exactly (other than the SS finish). Unfortunately I gave up waiting during Black Friday and splurged for an ECM. But really should do very well for them

@chornsey 6 ай бұрын

I would love to know in the full review if the steam wand can be used for hot water.

@juts89 6 ай бұрын

Did everything but taste the coffee it makes which is hilariously in tune with coffee KZfaq

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

Thinking that any information on how well this machine brews could be determined from one shot, and not even asking what grinder was used is very KZfaq comment section.

@jakevan1969 6 ай бұрын

Very nice. The steam came on very quickly. Even better than the Profitec Go. This is a "saturated group" design? Love that it has a PID, so important.

@espressomatic 5 ай бұрын

This is a Corrima and I'm sure they ship more espresso machines than Gaggia. These machines are under $200 each direct from the manufacturer in China and have been around for years. If you buy 600 units or so you can have them rebrand them for you as anything you like. If you want to see some cool machines, you should look at any of the other 100-200 models the same company makes. I'm sure Gaggia's margin is similar and if it costs them over $110 to make I'd be very surprised. I don't think the name brands have anything to worry about in North America and Europe because this machine isn't going to make it into the same sales channels and will remain a product only known by enthusiasts and small KZfaq audiences. As far as Asia goes, these machines and many others are already a big success.

@SuperAllpeople 6 ай бұрын

Thank you. I'd like to purchase this mashine but unfortunately its not yet availabe in germany.

@kktpp 6 ай бұрын

Those new porcelain kruve cups are so nice!

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

Right?!

@gd515051 6 ай бұрын

Would be interesting to compare components with the Gaggia or Bambino. This machine looks pretty good for the price.

@ianshepherd6476 3 ай бұрын

So did they fix the pressure issues? I saw it ran at high pressures and yours ran at 9 bar which is good.

@JamesMatthew-Zero79 6 ай бұрын

This is so dope. I have a 2004 GC and I just swapped out the boiler for one similar to the evo… makes me wish I saved my $60 and upgraded to this instead 😆

@tomscott4438 2 ай бұрын

Turin (for Espresso Outlet) buys them for around $150, rebrands them, and sells them here for the “bargain” price of $500. Nice little profit margin and since they don’t actually make them, zero R&D or manufacturing costs. That being said, if they were $350 I’d probably jump on one, but not for $500.

@michaelhsu2051 5 ай бұрын

The only problem for now is that the preorder uints are not arriving on time. They keep postponing the estimated date of arrival. It said "Container has left the manufacturer and is on the way" when I first saw it on the website in November. two months of shipment lol

@elyfotography 6 ай бұрын

Great review! Was wondering which is betterr Niche Duo or DF64 Gen2? Im really torn between those two (mainly espresso)

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

They’re very comparable. The DF Gen 2 is a cleaner workflow. Pick whichever one has the burr set you prefer available

@SoulBladeM 6 ай бұрын

In your review video, can you compare it to other PID machines such as Lelit Anna and Profitec Go? :)

@needmorebeans 6 ай бұрын

In the CDM, it's also available in Matte Black 🤙 Gemilai, who makes these, are a huge brand in China so no issues there.

@chikunman133 6 ай бұрын

i wanted black so back because it looks sick, i saw it on aliexpress but for 800 bucks lol. Ill stick with the stainless and possibly make it black myself

@edipisreks5535 6 ай бұрын

Is it an E61 style group? A Normcore portafilter would be a nice upgrade, if so.

@simply_psi 6 ай бұрын

It has a very similar look to the Lelit Victoria, I expect nowhere near as good or well built as that bug for the price you can't expect that. Could be a game changer in the budget prosumer space, it is based on an Hungarian machine as other have said the AVX DB1

@Huushawdadi17 6 ай бұрын

Thought it was a Lelit as well

@Raditram 4 ай бұрын

it's based on Corima, hence the crm3007 designation. It's also called the Gemilai crm 3007L. You can rebadge / rebrand it of you purchase certain number of units. I believe the basic machine of the kafmashino is also the crm 3007L.

@JohnDoe-kl8cd 4 ай бұрын

As far as Espresso Outlet goes, read the fine print. My experience for warranty claim is "the customer is not worth my time". i would like to see a video of the internals. My Rancilio Silvia V2, ran like a champ for almost 12 years before i sold it. The internals on the Silvia V2 (cant speak of the newer ones) make sense for the price. All brass or copper fittings as well as pipes. The frame was a bit of a let down as it was prone to corrosion if paint chipped. For 4-5 hundred dollars more, you got performance and reliability albeit, a bit of a learning curve with temp surfing.

@davidmarsh1158 2 ай бұрын

Does anyone know where to get a single hole steam tip?

@whosgonnadotcom 6 ай бұрын

The biggest reason not to buy one would appear to be that its first gen, and the improvements yheyve made on their grinders over the last few years makes it look like this is going to get similarly improved on too😁 Love the video, love the channel.

@Filtro8903 6 ай бұрын

This is not 1st gen, the 1st gen did not have OPV and manometer below the portafilter. I got the earlyer version, but put these add-ons myself. This is an awesome machine for the price.

@whosgonnadotcom 6 ай бұрын

@@Filtro8903 what was the price on the earlier version, and lacking these features, what's the advantage over the GCP?

@joekolb3937 6 ай бұрын

Corrima makes them and have been around 10 years or more. Forget exactly

@topjets5616 6 ай бұрын

It would be nice to see some one check the temptures to see if machine is actually changing temps and the pre-infusion works. Dose look like a good starter machine an I always like to see competition.

@tomscott4438 2 ай бұрын

Coffee Dad did a fuller review. He was impressed by the feature set, but not the build quality. He found the pre infusion worthless and the temperature was way off until the machine had been on for over 15 minutes. He actually tasted the coffee, and thought it was ok. The internals were solid but there was a lot of plastic. Pressure was 15 bar and was not adjustable. If this was $350 it really would be a bargain, but at $500 the Gaggia is a much safer bet IMHO.

@krot84 6 ай бұрын

Hey, what's the DF64 dosing cup you have there??

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

It’s the one that comes with the Gen 2

@DonKangolJones 6 ай бұрын

Gaggia is really getting a lot of competition in what used to be an almost exclusive price point. It doesn't help that their latest Classics don't even do things much of the community wants. It feels like their Evo Pros should be THIS MACHINE. I'm curious to see how this stacks up to something like the Profitec Go.

@tagheuer02 6 ай бұрын

It's better than the Go. I just bought a Go, but it's $1000 USD and doesn't even have preinfusion

@LOLBTLOLBT 6 ай бұрын

It pathetic gaggia can't add a PID to evo, took them how many years to make it 9 bar?? it's not rocket science, even water kettle have it

@EVR1AL 6 ай бұрын

Profitec go price is near the e61 machines 400 and Rocket apartamento

@tagheuer02 6 ай бұрын

Huh? Mine was 799 usd? Rocket Apartmento is twice as expensive @@EVR1AL

@LOLBTLOLBT 6 ай бұрын

high hope for gen 2 of this

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

This is not a “gen 1” machine per se. It’s been around for over 10 years and several iterations. Just the first time it’s “landing” in North America

@LorenzoNW 6 ай бұрын

You said you're blown away before actually tasting the latte, testing how accurate the PID is, and knowing how reliable it is over time.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

It’s a first impressions video… you watched me unbox it

@pablolankenau 6 ай бұрын

You can be blown away from first impressions. How are you going to test reliability over time for a brand new machine?

@chikunman133 6 ай бұрын

@@pablolankenau i mean, google it, its been around in the asian market for 12 years and its well regarded over there as a durable machine

@tomscott4438 2 ай бұрын

@@pablolankenauThis felt less like a “first impression” video than an infomercial for Espresso Outlet.

@myroccbox8877 6 ай бұрын

Just a label slapped on a China Manufacturer’s factory model. Guangdong Gemilai Intelligent Co., Ltd. is the manufacturer. Alibaba has them for under $200/ea if you buy in quantity.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

I'm not sure why people find this concept so foreign. Espresso Outlet is an importer, and they do so under the name Turin. People do not have the capacity to buy machines in bulk, or provide after market support, this is what a state side retailer does. For those services, they mark up the price and make a profit... this is very common practice in all sorts of industries

@ilkzode1822 6 ай бұрын

TURIN is china's middleman to sell to the US market. After they come out with something, they get all the feedback from consumers and keep coming out with numerous versions month after month. Its hard to believe that the engineers dont know what they are doing. It feels like they PURPOSELY make an inferior product that seems great on paper, knowing buyers will keep buying upgrades and accessories. The DF grinder model made the company so much money. Youre telling me that the creators didnt know how to fix the declumper or the popcorning in version 1. I call b.s. from the get go

@allen.t 6 ай бұрын

This is incredibly exciting for the beginner/lower end espresso machine market I feel like PID and the ability to preinfuse should be the standard when it comes to machines these days in the $500-$750 USD price. Getting that early bird deal on espresso outlet putting the machine at $400 USD is an insane deal. Pretty much no point in buying the GCP when this thing exists. Only thing to wait for is the longevity and overall QC.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

Bingo, biggest question mark is the unknown of reliability and after purchase support

@classicrockonly 6 ай бұрын

@@LifestyleLab_reliability is questionable but if it’s through espressooutlet I am sure it will come with great support

@LOLBTLOLBT 6 ай бұрын

Exactly those are not rocket science features, companies r milking consumers, like the sage infuser, has the ability but they made it 15 bar with smaller pf, like why???

@espressomatic 5 ай бұрын

PID adds like $5 to the BOM.

@tomscott4438 2 ай бұрын

I’ve seen a few videos on this, and none were anywhere near this positive. Fit and finish were described as “ok” by most and the PID readout vs the actual temp where far apart until the machine had been on for over 15 minutes. Pre-infusion does nothing and might actually create more channeling. Hopefully your “in depth” review will be more than just an infomercial for Espresso Outlet. (BTW, I know this was a first impression, but you didn’t even taste the shot)

@marianamoya3156 3 ай бұрын

Hey bro, do You recommend it for a small coffe shop? Or can You recommend me other, thank you in advance

@LifestyleLab_ 3 ай бұрын

No, this is not meant for commercial settings. You'll need to look at something rated for commercial use (for durability, and to pass a health inspection). Consider La Spaciale, La Marzocco, Ascaso, etc

@sjackson5407 5 ай бұрын

I am excited about the idea of a "white box" or generic espresso machine if they can deliver quality at a cheaper price a la the DF64. The true test will be white box versions of a Lelit Bianca or La Marzocco Linea mini at an affordable price.

@ihavenospacebar231 6 ай бұрын

Add. dimmer mod to pump and you've got a budget decent alternative (yes I know it won't be the same, I own one)

@JohnDoe-kl8cd 6 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t jump on this until you can find a video review that shows what’s under the hood. Often time you will find lots of plastic. Breville is guilty of this. Price and features often means compromise some where. Also I wouldn’t trust without an external temperature test and external pressure test.

@joekolb3937 6 ай бұрын

When you take cover off it would be great to compare inside with something like the bambino

@JohnDoe-kl8cd 6 ай бұрын

@@joekolb3937 when i was deciding on the Breville Dual Boiler, i found a video showing the internal and saw quite a bit of plastic, the OPV valve was completely plastic. Granted its got lots of features at an attractive price so make sense. Ultimately i decided on Lelit Elizabeth. I can tell you for Rancilio Silvia and Giggia Classic (dont know about the newer ones) have very solid build on the internal. Mostly metal. All the fitting and connectors were metal.

@tomscott4438 2 ай бұрын

He keeps saying lookout Gaggia and Ranchilo, but with all the features jammed into this thing I suspect their target is really Breville. I found a video that looked under the hood. It was better than expected, but still had a LOT of plastic. This thing is not built to last.

@amiraloves04 6 ай бұрын

Love these first impressions :)

@abdelilahhamdane4647 5 ай бұрын

it is sold in china under the name of Gemilai CRM3007L, it also comes in Black color! it's tempting, i was saving for a Profitec Go and now i am considering this for the price especially its only third the cost of it! thanks for the video

@LifestyleLab_ 5 ай бұрын

Completely different machines in terms of build quality and steaming power, but this one does have a lot of features!

@abdelilahhamdane4647 5 ай бұрын

@@LifestyleLab_ Sure, I can imagine that the Profitec Go is way better in this regard, but considering the 3 times cost, it is not 3 times better than the Turin.

@asmith2886 6 ай бұрын

This is the machine that Kafmasino has converted to create the KAFMASINO ONE. Now that functionality is pretty impressive, but with a higher price tag!

@espressomatic 5 ай бұрын

Somewhat impressive when you can go look at the source code for Gaggiuino before developing your own solution.

@williamf.buckleyjr.1572 6 ай бұрын

Comparing this to the Rancilio Silvia based on a list of features and one poorly pulled shot, is a stretch. Seemed more like a commercial for Espresso Outlet.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

It’s an initial impressions video… you see me literally take it out of the box… I don’t think you can disagree that the feature list of this unit walks all over the Gaggia and Rancilio. Sorry to offend you

@acac4348 4 ай бұрын

Can you change the PID to Fahrenheit ?

@LifestyleLab_ 4 ай бұрын

No, apparently not. Sorry 🇺🇸

@dawidhyzy1425 6 ай бұрын

Is that a Kafmasino base?

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

Appear so! Lots of brands clearly pulling from similar suppliers

@classicrockonly 6 ай бұрын

Dang am I going to have an all Turin bar? I already have a DF64V. I wanted something in the $1000-$1200 range but this is even beating out that stuff

@ONLYJDkettlebels 5 ай бұрын

Can u set pressure?

@tomscott4438 2 ай бұрын

No.

@jules5350 6 ай бұрын

Lelit look alike!!!

@adamg.manning6088 6 ай бұрын

It’s really disingenuous to say that this is “made by Turin”. Turin is the House Brand of Espresso Outlet. They put their name on anything that fits their catalogue. They can be from one or a dozen factories. There’s nothing wrong with this, but it’s an important piece of info to get right.

@joekolb3937 6 ай бұрын

We private label them Turin, but machine wouldn't exist in current configuration without us. So made by Turin? Depends on your definition but we had several important things changed and wouldn't be in usa market without us

@ilkzode1822 6 ай бұрын

@jkpz10 5 ай бұрын

have you tried and review hibrew h10a .

@LifestyleLab_ 5 ай бұрын

I have not

@jkpz10 5 ай бұрын

just wondering if this can steam milk while pulling a shot, without losing pressure? it might be a good upgrade for my hibrew h10a

@LifestyleLab_ 5 ай бұрын

This can not brew and steam at the same time

@jswede1 5 ай бұрын

PID and pressure gage for under $500. If it works at all is should drag down pricing, and/or increase features, for competitors

@AlanButterworth 5 ай бұрын

Wonder how this would compare against a Gaggia Classic Pro with the Gagguino mod?

@LifestyleLab_ 5 ай бұрын

I think both respond similarly to mods. There’s a company essentially making a Decent DE1 (tablet and all) using this unit as the base

@AlanButterworth 5 ай бұрын

Interesting! Do you have a link? I was more wondering in terms of feature parity how the stock Turin Legato out of the box compares with the gagguino modded GCP. Thanks for the reply :)

@LifestyleLab_ 5 ай бұрын

@AlanButterworth definitely wouldn’t have anywhere near the control or capabilities of a Gaggiuno out of the box. Tough to beat a modded Gaggia if you’re willing to do it!

@LifestyleLab_ 5 ай бұрын

Modded Turin is the "Kafmasino One" project

@AlanButterworth 5 ай бұрын

That actually looks pretty amazing, but it's twice the price of an unmodded Turin, or GCP + Gagguino, and it's out of stock!

@nanoevil 6 ай бұрын

looks like a rebadged Gemilai CRM3007L which is around $200

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

This was said in the video, yes

@s.jacobs3185 6 ай бұрын

Same as Kafmasino, which is already more than a year old. I don't get why this machine suddenly gets so much attention

@JC-oh4mg 6 ай бұрын

Because they figured out in order to get into the western market turns out to be just branding.

@darkassassins123 6 ай бұрын

This is a great it is nice df or turin comes in this market of mid range coffee machines, and have intersting features for the price. people don"t really realize that more competition brings more innovation thus more more features and a A good price-performance ratio. This is how all the technologies are more affordable than say twenty years ago. Anyways great first impression mate.

@farbour3 6 ай бұрын

Will see. I just watch another review and the pre infusion is useless.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

How so? Genuinely curious as you just saw the extent of my experience so far

@Yirgamalabar 6 ай бұрын

@@LifestyleLab_ i don't know what he was referring to, but in general if you're switching between different kinds of beans all programmable pre-infusion options are useless. They're either too short (lower part of the puck remains dry) or too long (too much coffee ends up in the cup before the pause). Manual pre-infusion, based on looking for puck saturation, is a lot more useful and accurate. I know this because my machine (a Lelit Bianca) supports both methods.

@JoseGabelaCuesta 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@LifestyleLab_it’s a pre-infusion mimic, as it will hit the puck at full pump pressure for a second and the remaining time is just wait time. It will never do any saturation.

@romanxkostan 6 ай бұрын

What's your go to budget espresso machine?

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

Currently, the Gaggia Classic Pro or Breville Bambino Plus

@romanxkostan 6 ай бұрын

@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks very much.

@LOLBTLOLBT 6 ай бұрын

It's a about time to bring competition to the budget market, there is nothing complex about a consumer espresso machine, company like gaggia is milking consumers by adding a real featute every 5 yrs lol like how hard is it to make it 9bar and add a pid???

@sixelanavi03 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video! Just wish you also tried fresh beans and did a quick taste test. Big miss in my opinion.

@LifestyleLab_ 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely nothing to be learned from a single shot on a single grinder. This was just a first impressions live unboxing. Giving an opinion right off the bat would have provided no value

@sixelanavi03 5 ай бұрын

@@LifestyleLab_ but you provided an opinion vs other machines. That’s where I’m coming from. Nonetheless, appreciate your videos man.

@LifestyleLab_ 5 ай бұрын

@sixelanavi03 espresso machines are generally function focused in the value they bring. Compared to the grinder, they have very little impact on the quality of the drink. Sort of like a camera body vs the lens in front of it :)

@sixelanavi03 5 ай бұрын

@@LifestyleLab_ fair enough!

@tomscott4438 2 ай бұрын

@@LifestyleLab_Except you did give a LOT of opinions on things like build quality and features (compared to other brands) without really testing any of them or opening it up for a view of the internals. I know that’s probably coming in a future video, but this was heavily positive without much more than a cursory view.

@davidfuller581 6 ай бұрын

2:32 the group (and therefore boiler) is not straight in the frame. In fact the whole thing looks bent out of true. Yikes, not a great look.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

It’s just the angle of the camera… everything is parallel

@berniern5788 6 ай бұрын

Looks like a Gemilai. rebranded as Turin.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

This was specifically mentioned in the video :)

@cra2yjoker 6 ай бұрын

Why does it looks so much like the miicoffee and kafmasino 1

@winnchastain8713 6 ай бұрын

Cause they are exactly the same machine just rebranded

@jamesmclaughlin3460 6 ай бұрын

Chinese build? Lot of options I agree but longevity is the question. I've been burned before even if they cover it. Time down inconvenience. I'll stick with Italian build quality for now. It will be interesting to see if this unit is as good as we hope though.

@espressomatic 5 ай бұрын

I have a GCP and frankly I'd be surprised if any part of it is actually manufactured in Italy.

@tomscott4438 2 ай бұрын

Espresso Outlet has Turin, Clive have Lucca, and Seattle Coffee Gear have Diletta. I’m sure they’re decent units, but it’s obvious they are making a huge markup on these “house brands”. (Makes me wonder why Whole Latte Love never went this route)

@jamesmclaughlin3460 2 ай бұрын

@@tomscott4438 I bought my little set up from Wholelatte. So far so good

@nhayes927 6 ай бұрын

Just get a crossland cc1.....

@hafizmohtar 6 ай бұрын

Been waiting to get my first espresso machines since early 2023 and till now havent get one hahaha , i dont know what stopped me

@sofiaclemente7925 6 ай бұрын

Gonna repeat what others have said and wondering how this compares to the Profitec Go!

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

More features on this, but the Profitec definitely wins out in terms of build quality and steaming power as you'd expect

@Kecske131 6 ай бұрын

This machine has been on the market in the EU for a while (more than a year I think), under the name AVX DB1. They all come from the same factory, with different brand names stamped on it. A nice machine for the price point for sure.

@10000roman 6 ай бұрын

Yup and Turin making it sound like its their own machine 😂 they didnt even bother putting the brand like Miicoffee did

@JamesMatthew-Zero79 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@10000romanthat miicoffee branding is such a turn off 🫣

@TheDennzio 6 ай бұрын

I don't care about this machine but I like your reviews

@NeverTakeNoShortcuts 5 ай бұрын

Hasn’t this same machine been out for over a year or more under another name?

@tomscott4438 2 ай бұрын

More like 5 years. Turin (for Espresso Outlet) buys them for around $150, rebrands them, and sells them here for the “bargain” price of $500. Nice little profit margin and since they don’t actually make them, zero R&D or manufacturing costs. If they were $350 I’d probably jump on one, but not for $500.

@motopasky 6 ай бұрын

Not a fan of thermoblock systems, so a big NO from me.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

Interesting! What don’t you like about using a thermoblock for steaming?

@motopasky 6 ай бұрын

Slow, underpowered, the capillaries are prone to blockages, thermoblocks are not serviceable, and expensive to replace. Also, unless you're a techno fan, the noise is annoying.

@LOLBTLOLBT 6 ай бұрын

Lol thermoblock is not some advanced technology, my bidet has one

@bsyoutube2649 6 ай бұрын

Omg it look like lelit. NGL

@hthomas007 6 ай бұрын

Mmmn make me sum

@mulullama 6 ай бұрын

Identical to the miicoffee apex. Same machine, rebranded. Nothing special just a cash grab

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

Isn’t every business a “cash grab”?? What’s wrong with finding a supplier for a product and selling it…

@whatsay8406 6 ай бұрын

No doubt this machine is a pretty well equipped for the price, but let’s be real, the price companies charge for these features is way over priced. With that said, I feel like this is a great machine for someone who’s not sure if this will to be a real/long term hobby. This thing may last a few years, at which, time said person could upgrade.

@damianhbk1 6 ай бұрын

Beautiful machine and thank you for an actual reaction video. I'm hesitant in purchasing this machine on the fact that it's version 1 and with Turin's track record they tend to release V2 of their products rather quickly. I do however admire that price point! Now we're talking! I love the competitiveness that this company aims for. 👏👏👏

@GG-ud5jl 6 ай бұрын

This model has been sold for quite a few years already in other country. While it is definitly cheaper built it's still packed with features. Probably won't last you 20 years but let's be honest no machine last that long without any repairs anyway.

@borzica 6 ай бұрын

Nice Profitec… I mean “turin”

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

How is this a Profitec?

@borzica 6 ай бұрын

@@LifestyleLab_lol dude why do you get offended so easily? The idea behind my comment was about the design. They pretty much copied how the Profitec Go looks… buttons placement, steam knob, analogue gauge…

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

I’m just clarifying? Not offended at all, just wondering what aspect of this unit is Protofec-esq to you

@borzica 6 ай бұрын

@@LifestyleLab_ yeah design for sure

@tonydelvecchio1431 6 ай бұрын

This comment section is coffee snob gatekeeping at its finest. “This can’t be as good as my $1000 machine. It’s not even Italian” blah blah blah. Gaggia and rancilio are falling behind mainly because they don’t want to eat into their profit margin. The new machines should have newer features that the community is asking for, yet they don’t add simple things like PIDs. Way to go @espressooutlet

@spaceair2618 6 ай бұрын

first comment :)

@user-bm8uw2wz3q 6 ай бұрын

Why is this guy deleting comments for people not agreeing with this machine because of its origins

@LifestyleLab_ 6 ай бұрын

I haven’t deleted any comments?

@BananaChipzzz 6 ай бұрын

How do you “agree” with a machine? People in the coffee community can be so fucking stupid.

@motopasky 6 ай бұрын

Be respectful and follow community guidelines. It's not hard, and your comments won't get deleted.

@BelovedNL 6 ай бұрын

@@LifestyleLab_my comment keeps getting deleted and I wasn’t rude or anything like that

@ilkzode1822 6 ай бұрын

@@BananaChipzzzbecause a few individuals commented on this machine being Made in ... ? Consumers have the right to buy as they please. Even if their biggest concern is which country it was made in. It was mentioned in the comments that some feel this machine (made in ....) is in no means up to its italian gaggia counterpart