The best character that never wins

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You're on your couch watching Melee. It's Day 2, but we're not too deep into bracket. ‪@Jmook11‬ is destroying a helpless opponent on his way to yet another Top 8. The commentator says something about how historic his Genesis 9 run was, how he was the first Sheik to win a major. Your friend knows a little bit but they're not a true Melee head like you. So they ask: "Wait, isn't this character supposed to be good?"
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@turndownforwalt Жыл бұрын

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@namenamename390 Жыл бұрын

8:24 I've seen this a number of times and I just can't get over M2K's sheer confusion as to why any Fox would ever voluntarily go to FD against him. I love M2K so much

@Davidian_ Жыл бұрын

He counterpicked the King to his own castle

@hyperssr Жыл бұрын

I believe Cody has a theory about counter picking Marths to FD. Something about winning there early to remove it. But at that time SFAT was experimenting with the FD counterpick

@YURTZYN42 5 ай бұрын

It's to soak up a loss earlier in the set so the Marth doesn't use it later to swing the set over basically.

@trueblueryu5713 Жыл бұрын

Hypothetically speaking: If Armada was terrible at fighting Sheik rather than being amazing at the matchup, how much do we think that would have changed the history of the character?

@scarlet7960 Жыл бұрын

dude imagine ....

@devoncampbell3607 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, armada had two brothers who just so happened to be very good sheik players.

@blakerey4790 Жыл бұрын

@@devoncampbell3607 *brudders

@_m099 Жыл бұрын

@@blakerey4790 💀

@devoncampbell3607 Жыл бұрын

@@blakerey4790 I concede that "brudders" is the proper title.

@Jmook11 Жыл бұрын

TURN UP FOR WALT Seriously, this is phenomenal work. Thank you for putting this together ❤

@joshf1170 Жыл бұрын

Loving watching your come-up man!

@fwop7436 Жыл бұрын

Bro you're changing the course of melee history. Keep doing what you love, it's inspiring 🙏

@championbenj 10 ай бұрын

Amsah won ESA2 with solo shiek as a major right ?

@Jay_Playz2019 4 ай бұрын

It’s the guy! He did the thing!

@luf4rall 3 ай бұрын

Mooook

@huyphan7825 Жыл бұрын

The biggest takeaway I'm getting from this video is that Hbox deserves to be on the Melee tier as his own character.

@mups4016 5 ай бұрын

if hbox didn't play, jigglypuff wouldn't be top tier.

@ajuicejemas Жыл бұрын

The part about how your main in a fighting game is more than just a collection of matchup charts and frame data was really great

@Belive7heHype Жыл бұрын

So they aren't just functions after all lol

@theftking 9 ай бұрын

I played competitive melee locally back in 2006, and yeah Sheik was top tier, but even back then I remember people talking about how Fox had the most potential. Funny how it all played out.

@jacksondean7119 3 ай бұрын

Weird seeing you comment on a melee video

@Jaknife101 Жыл бұрын

I can imagine hbox laughing his ass off at the cut to his pop off faint during the start of the explanation of him being the sheik slayer.

@miguelaguilar5115 Жыл бұрын

Gotta be honest, I love the tournamente recaps and previsions to death, but it was because of video essays like this that I subbed to Walt's channel

@TheThiccestChungus Жыл бұрын

So what I'm hearing... is that every single character specialist has a backup fox for hungrybox and hungrybox alone.

@iceninjagames 8 ай бұрын

Odd username but you would be correct

@connorhulegaard2012 4 ай бұрын

Yeah Hbox got that big heavy. GOATed imo

@aetherius6221 4 ай бұрын

Amsa doesn't, does Axe?

@noinfo1018 Ай бұрын

@aetherius6221 iirc amsa has played falco against hbox before. Not sure about axe tho

@aetherius6221 Ай бұрын

@@noinfo1018 pretty sure Axe has a Marth secondary for some like 80/20 MU

@statisticallysound Жыл бұрын

13:05 brb, this montage got me so hype I had to rewatch the Jmook G8 run

@AP-gb3pq Жыл бұрын

dude same LOL, it was so good

@TrucidOL8R Жыл бұрын

Amazing work. Thank you Walt and Jackie Peanuts for telling this particular story so beautifully ❤

@averagewhiteguy2 Жыл бұрын

I had been waiting for a very long time for a solo Sheik main to win a major (and especially a super major). I'm so happy it happened. Sheik really needed that win, and I hope more people pick her up.

@eddiestilll Жыл бұрын

everyone knew when they saw jmook's sudden breakout in 2022 that if a player could win a supermajor with solo sheik, it'd be him :)

@throwod2923 Жыл бұрын

Just wanted to say the way you animate the games with the free camera or whatever is so cool I love it. I don’t know if it’s hard or takes a lot of time or whatever but I just want you to know it is really really enjoyable and I appreciate it ❤

@THEFEZFEZ Жыл бұрын

Love the bigger documentary content. I'm sure this takes a lot more time and effort to make, but I greatly appreciate it.

@DesTr069 Жыл бұрын

Dude the EDITING. And the MUSIC. And the WRITING. This is it, Walt, wow, that was absolutely fantastic

@supwithit Жыл бұрын

Technically speaking, you can't "solo main" Sheik since she can transform into Zelda.

@Rockleefan3 Жыл бұрын

2:40 kudos to hbox for staying solo for how long? 16 years? In all this time he could’ve picked up a secondary for fox, but no no, he stayed stubborn and still got the status of being one of the 3 goats of melee. From my spectator perspective it’s seems extremely hard to solo puff, similar to solo sheik, but then again, what do I know, I’m just a spectator.

@NukaColaBear 11 ай бұрын

Hungrybox has tried a secondary fox. It did not go well. Hbox is really good but so far he's only been able to do it with Jiggs, if he could pull it off with another character he would have a secondary at least.

@Jayluna98 Жыл бұрын

The intro edit with you on Pokemon Stadium while Jmook did his combo was so sweet

@theomorrison1099 Жыл бұрын

We have 2 swedish sheik mains to blame for this. Armada's brothers were both sheik mains which made him cracked at the matchup

@unovi8141 Жыл бұрын

Production values off the charts! I'd love to see more stuff like this!

@rowanespeverda4120 Жыл бұрын

That “Outside” Remix for the Genesis 8 run was fucking fantastic. I’d love it as a solo video.

@brettmccabe1944 Жыл бұрын

Another turndownforwalt masterpiece. Excellent video-- I thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish!

@tenderhoof2988 Жыл бұрын

Super pumped for content like this!

@TylerHyperFace Жыл бұрын

LOVE the edits and structure of these. It's also insane that Hbox is such a force to manage the meta the way he did! 🔥 Melee is dope ❤

@terrortaste6389 Жыл бұрын

One thing I find very interesting about smash, as well as other fighting game communities as a whole, is that most competitive and even casual players all want to play really _really_ aggressively. Almost all of the players want to go in and hit hard and fast while the reaction based playstyles are few and far between. It feels like no one has the discipline to stop pressing buttons and just watch and wait for your opponent to screw up on their own. It also makes sense that no one would find this playstyle viable since theoretically this kind of playstyle won't work at high levels where people make fewer and fewer mistakes. This makes it all the more satisfying and _terrifying_ when a player arises who can play that way and take advantage of everything their opponent does.

@Appletank8 Жыл бұрын

Technically, HBox played pretty defensively for a long while, using Puff’s superior aerial mobility to bait people into chasing him and punishing. Floaters fighting each other in general were prone to long games or timeouts. But this also looks like stalling and made people really pissed at the “lame” tactics, especially since Melee has a few techniques that give an unbalanced advantage to the defensive player, like ledge stalling immunity. It is technically possible for someone to get a % lead then stall forever. Anti stall rules didn’t really exist for a long time because most players, as you mentioned, like being aggressive and cool more than floating around and running away. Which did result in people, mainly Leffen, being pretty salty and proposing anti stall rules that were basically targeted against Puff.

@nobodysbusinezz Жыл бұрын

you the man. I love your stuff, Walt. never stop doing your thing.

@Afatdragon Жыл бұрын

These videos are so well put together always a highlight. Thank you Walt.

@Quinchi413 Жыл бұрын

this editing style and bits is just amazing :) you are doing great and keep it up :D

@stefanow.9047 Жыл бұрын

absolutely dope video walt bro keep up the amazing work

@poopsmithjones1 Жыл бұрын

so well done, seems like you have a great set up for making quality content, happy for you guys

@TheAmazingMrSloop Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this incredible video Walt!

@Natnizer Жыл бұрын

Been watching for a while and enjoyed all your content; this video was excellent. You have one more subscriber.

@RobertHuang Жыл бұрын

8:59 "all with solo sheik" zelda clip

@raradapapa Жыл бұрын

I am honestly so happy that you make documentaries for literally the greatest esport that has ever existed. Thanks, Walt :)

@lf3boss Жыл бұрын

Great video, your production quality only continues to reach new heights

@ComboSmooth Жыл бұрын

wow, jiggly got 41 major wins and its like 1% mango, 99% hungry box.

@Hack--rz1io Жыл бұрын

This was great, the in game camera movements had me particularly impressed !

@azazeltf2 Жыл бұрын

great video, great editing. especially love the little jmook genesis frag video in there lol

@BaronBears Жыл бұрын

Walt, you outdone yourself this time! You have a real talent for documentary making - combined with your passion, it gives me real hope that the smash community will be around for a long time to come. Ive seen documentaries that cost millions that were significantly worse than the incredible work youve been putting out there. Youre an absolute legend.

@christophergeorge3642 Жыл бұрын

another banger, Walt

@6.28 Жыл бұрын

this is absurdly well made, bravo

@nsanity4624 Жыл бұрын

I love the fact you have your own merch, but I love the Zoolander references even more. Much love king.

@JeramiJoseph Жыл бұрын

amazingly done as always walt

@connorr4183 Жыл бұрын

Walt this is such a great video. Shoutouts for the sick content

@TheSpaceOpera Жыл бұрын

Production on this is insane - awesome video

@thomasa4749 Жыл бұрын

Amazing video, the melee community is as strong as ever and you love to see it

@namechild Жыл бұрын

your content is so unbelievably high quality

@Eiji475 Жыл бұрын

I'll always remember the Amsah vs EK reverse 4 stock. One of the moments that made me want to play Sheik.

@KeyboardKlutz_0 Жыл бұрын

Apparently that was also a major, which Amsah won.

@Benetheburrito Жыл бұрын

Another banger. Loved the G9 edit

@Spiife Жыл бұрын

great video thank you for documenting all of this :)

@kingmeverse5861 Жыл бұрын

GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS I LOVE YOU WALT

@ksad96 Жыл бұрын

ARTEMIS FOWL MENTIONED! Wild to hear that reference from someone in the melee scene, damn lol

@DubYuhGChoppa Жыл бұрын

It's sad that it took so long for people to actually acknowledge what this character can do. Sheik is quite obviously an amazing character but it takes a lot more than what M2K was ever willing to do and he defined Sheik for a long time. Now the meta is finally growing past these people who wouldn't do what was needed.

@musicmashups Жыл бұрын

Now the question is: can Jmook become the first solo Shiek to get #1 on the rankings?

@jman3l Жыл бұрын

If he takes BoBC5 I think its pretty much a wrap for #1 in 2023 for him.

@musicmashups Жыл бұрын

@@jman3l I have a feeling Zain takes BOBC5, he's had two 2nd places in a row there and has been edging a tournament victory ever since Lud's, so this feels like the time for him. But Jmook is also attending Tipped Off, Wavedash, and CEO, so he just needs to win one of those and his #1 for the 1st half is secured.

@jman3l Жыл бұрын

Ah idk dude.. he is looking sort of unstoppable when he is playing hot. Even when he isn't playing 100% he clutches everything out anyway (SFOP/SFAT sets). When he is 100% he makes everyone look like a fool 😆. Only hbox can beat him right now and even then it's a toss up. Jmook got better at puff/Juan match-up.

@musicmashups Жыл бұрын

@@jman3l we'll see, Cody's beaten him this year, Amsa and Hbox are still bracket demons, and Zain was even in sets with Jmook before this year, so it's not far fetched to say he can take the next one. I do think Jmook wins Tipped Off though, especially since Hbox isn't registered to attend, so his only bracket demon there is Amsa and he'll probably get knocked out by Moky and Cody.

@cocalicoman Жыл бұрын

That ad read was amazing

@uncutstrawberryjams Жыл бұрын

Love the more analytical/stats stuff Walt!

@chillarttalks Жыл бұрын

yo what a banger doc gj!

@1_random_commenter 2 ай бұрын

This man just casually dropped the greatest Melee montage of all time at 13:05

@Parthian6 Жыл бұрын

3:26 Yoooo where are my fellow Artemis Fowl fans at? I never expected to hear Walt out of all people mention this goated series but I'm here for it.

@brennenoliver5117 Жыл бұрын

Banger vid dude my god

@roblikestoskate Жыл бұрын

i love the custom camera angles on the in-game reenactments

@jeffreychen2099 Жыл бұрын

The Artemis Fowl reference awakened a core memory in me

@radiantrepose6512 Жыл бұрын

The editing is so good thanks for the great watch!

@JustForComments666 3 күн бұрын

@9:00 "all with solo sheik" Zelda killing Peach in the background: *am i joke?*

@iamtimnar5289 5 ай бұрын

This is one of the only sponsorships I watched through because it was genuinely entertaining!

@nuave Жыл бұрын

I don't know why, but I feel like for Melee to prosper it needs to progress into a new era. Not just in the game, the players, the TO's. But the community. It needs to come back together and focus on the game, and in some way I feel like this is a step towards that.

@hockeyfreak896890 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful story telling man

@M_Free Жыл бұрын

I've missed these deep dives into specific moments in melee history and why they're significant

@AsteriskStar1 Жыл бұрын

2:18 in and just gotta say thats the best ad read I've seen

@shiina4861 Жыл бұрын

amazing video as literally every other video u make

@dylan3746 Жыл бұрын

First time viewer. The editing is god tier. Time to binge

@fiNESScasting Жыл бұрын

that montage around the 14 minute mark is like the hardest thing ive ever seen

@meleemythos Жыл бұрын

Lololololol even if it was JUST the fashion ad break this would be an amazing video. Great job

@KingSlasma Жыл бұрын

Has to be the funniest merch drop i've ever seen, the zoolander reference was simply amazing

@mire_cs Жыл бұрын

great video walt! and congrats to jmook on his sick ass performances :)

@xerxesblade Жыл бұрын

S tier content. Your work is so GOATED

@LewtwoYT Жыл бұрын

insane production on this

@lloydspence3956 Жыл бұрын

Amazing work

@dylanmuller2611 Жыл бұрын

such a freakin good video omg

@pochita9282 Жыл бұрын

This ones got crazy quality damn

@mutzify883 Жыл бұрын

I subscribed because you carried a dog at the end. Love melee

@federicoforabosco6955 Жыл бұрын

Best add break ive ever seen

@SlushieDee Жыл бұрын

Banger editing on this one

@pandaforce6162 Жыл бұрын

Walt your G8 montage was so insanely sick

@drewcurry280 Жыл бұрын

Man what a great buildup to the pop off incredible video

@dragonclaw9173 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved the sponsor segment, Walt would make a great model

@christainwebster8487 Жыл бұрын

Wish we had more videos like this melee has such a rich history! ❤️

@AnArmyOfFish Жыл бұрын

I can't believe you didn't play the *gasp* he WAVEDASHED clip when bringing up Borp lol

@MrMattacka Жыл бұрын

Walt you're the second GOAT only after JMOOK

@MyNameIsNyx Жыл бұрын

great vid. highly apprec.

@KingCuba Жыл бұрын

Standing ovation for your ad….. I’ll repeat that, as it’s never been said before in the history of the English language. Here’s a standing ovation for your Ad! It 2:10 was awesome. Wow, those words feel weird, even typing it it out is strange….. anyway, cool vid lol