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Great to see a mature conversation between two men who have differing viewpoints, but can maintain mutual respect while disagreeing.

I do agree with him when he mentioned how school holds boys down. I dealt with it when my son was in 5th grade (2002ish)...and his Language Arts 25-yo New Teacher gave him a C- on a project of his choosing. He chose Jerry Rice...made a poster board and wrote a report. I supported but he did the work. He knew his football career inside out, and was crushed with the "C-". I met with his young new 25-year-old teacher...she said that boys need to choose another figure other than sports...I said really, "So are girls being told they can no longer write about horses?" No answer, it didn't help it was a difficult year and definitely killed his enthusiasm about putting effort into a report.

when host talks more then guest

I can relate to this. My kids mom lost all respect for me after she got her nursing degree and makes more money then me. Sad part is I worked 3 jobs while in active addiction to support her while she was in school. But crap happens and it's time for me to turn the tables again.

Love how you guys didn’t agree on everything but really tried to understand the other person’s perspective.. great conversation! 😊

I love how honest this whole conversation is. Tom didn’t let him off the hook with his questions and Justin was willing to elaborate when needed. Great episode.

The problem is distraction and immediate gratification through validation

He nailed the issue with where we are as a culture, right off the bat. It’s really hard for me to struggle raising a family and go into debt with a normal career (I’m a plumber) and then see people living the dream that did nothing. It makes you want to give up and burn the whole system down. It’s failed us…

This discussion was refreshing. Let's teach big media and politicians to communicate with us all in the same way.

This is a FANTASTIC example (in my opinion) of how men ARE being men! They both push each other on their ideas, personal philosophies and life standards. All the while seeking out the stone to build common ground and figuring out a way forward. It's not about the disagreement, it's IF there is something there that can be refined into a functional resource. I am so high right now! This isn't an echo chamber. Tom/ Justin y'all killed it, let's eat! 🍻 Cheers mates!!!

I admired his honesty and showing how his values makes his life. They both show their vulnerabilities and their different views and respect to each other. Totally agreed about the media taking away the masculinity of men and how sex has become not a partnership or getting closer to another human being. So much to learn! Thank you for both🙏

My wife and I were listening to this together and we both agree wholeheartedly that the reason Justin wants other women is because he's not fulfilled in his relationship with his kids mother. My current wife is the only woman I have ever been with that I didn't also want other women. She's the real deal. We are a true team and we are each other's #1. When you meet the right person, you calm down and focus on who and what you've got. If you REALLY REALLY love someone, you give your entire self to them, not because you feel obligated, but because you cannot help it and you feel so grateful they are in your life and in your corner. You don't see other people as "options"... "I have incredible sexual discipline" and "I do it because it feels good" are contradictory statements. Justin spent the entire podcast trying to tell everyone what a good guy he is. I've never met a great person that felt the need to convince me of how great they are, but I've met a lot of narcissistic assholes that did 😉 Justin simply found a way to rationalize his behavior away, and now has a community of other men that support that lifestyle. Yes extreme feminism of today is toxic and hurting women, but it's also not healthy to Lord over women because you make a lot of money. That's not loving behavior. That's not a team attitude. That's not the way you'd want to be treated if the show were on the other foot, but narcissistic assholes thrive on this situation and behavior. There should be no gender war. All these problems are human problems and each side is framing the situation through an incredible biased lens.

J. Waller is right. When a man improves himself, everything else will follow him. Your look matter, assets, and knowledge

Tom, you really took me by surprise on this episode. I followed you a long time ago but coming back after a while, I’m shocked at your mind and how genuine you are. This was a very important conversation, and I’m grateful that both of you have had this opportunity to have this discussion.

this was wholesome and educational as hell, this is like a class on how disagreeing sides can work together to an even better effect that agreeing sides

Watching Tom resist the red pill and knowing what comes next in his relationship

Probably the best conversation on the internet displaying how to have a conversation with nuance, respect and fun! A masterclass.

This is by far one of the best conversations about masculinity between two men's. Respected to the maximum guy's

I like Tom, but he is not a man most men would consider masculine and would have a big problem in certain circles with his view on masculinity. Most attractive women would not follow him if he didn't have money, if I'm being honest. I'm glad he found his person, because if he didn't find his wife. He would have a different viewpoint of men and women relationships. It's hard for him to understand in his current relationship.

I absolutely shuddered when he said "I want the ultimate divorce nightmare, because we're never getting divorced"... 1. Words have power 2. Never say never

THESE TWO EXERCISED AND EXEMPLIFIED WHAT IT MEANS AND HOW TO HAVE DISCOURSE AND POSITIVE DISAGREEMENTS!!!! Two class acts and would love to see follow up podcasts between these two. 👏👏👏

Great conversation lads! I love the respectful push back on each others opinions, one of the best conversations I've seen in a long time.

One of the best conversations I've listened to in a long,long time. Earned a New subscriber 💪

dude, the way Tom handles this conversation is flawless. you can see the gap between the level of confidence and security of the two wowww!!!! Stay being you Tom

What a way to converse! Between to accomplished human that do not wanna convince each other of anything and are just present glad to have met each other or maybe just present, open and curious.

I love how they communicate and clarify with each other, and acknowledge emotions and personal values, instead of pretending they’re hyper masculine men that are strong and feel nothing

Tom getting in the social/political space is truly awsome. Nuanced, disagreeable but not needlessly and brilliant. Love it.

1. There is nothing that says even if you have kids, you’ll have grandchildren. 2. Even if you are a fantastic parent, doesn’t mean your kids will be good humans 3. Having kids doesn’t insure that you’ll be taken care of as an elderly person 4. Kids don’t insure you won’t be lonely if you end up alone. 5. Having kids doesn’t mean they will bring you joy.

We need more discourse like this. Two smart men. Hats off to Tom for helping set this up and asking great questions.

This is how conversations should be communicated! I love the different view points. If everyone thought and felt exactly the same there would be clones of yourself running around everywhere...

I too spent years in an environment that was brutal and shaped me into a man. It was called being an Airborne Ranger. All young men need to experience a huge challenge in their lives in order to become a monster and then to tame that monster through the implementation of personal values, goals, and service.

Love this interview. So many great points which sparked SO many conversations I had with men. I do understand where he was going w/don’t put yourself into situations w/temptation. However, you do need a level of trust that you & your partner have built. (Solid & strong foundation). I don’t, actively seek out or put myself into environments that I don’t need to be in. Like clubs or bars on a weekly or monthly basis when I’m in a committed relationship. I can just as easily have a “ girls night” at a restaurant or someone’s home instead of a bar. Discussions at length need to be had on what’s acceptable when I comes to micro cheating or social media. Me liking or commenting on a post “isn’t cheating “. Sliding into someone’s DM’s is now crossing a line. Have those conversations often.

33:30 Absolutely right. Someone put it into this simple formula: "Strong people create good times. Good times create weak people. Weak people create bad times. Bad times create strong people."

When I was 24, I was acting up to people who were older than me. I was disrespectful and they put me in my place with aggression and violence, it worked well enough for me to develop respect for other people and their right to a peaceful life free from my disturbance. So their aggression helped me learn to respect someone's boundaries. Too much violence would have been unnecessary, a little violence without harsh consequences at that age was just right to shift my trajectory on a path of humbleness and learning to become a better individual.

People who don't have kids just will never understand the true joy of having a child...and IMO are missing out on one of the best things about life..

The genuine deep emotion behind that first response. Brought a tear to my eye. 2:13:18

Just need go be a chad or rich simple...

Thank you Tom and Justin for being so open in this discussion. There are so many good thoughts and points that relate to real men in our day and age. Let's all grow and build to be the best men we can do that we can establish a new era of men who are unshaken. Let's go brothers!

This conversation showed the level of control and intelligence both these men have. Great interview by Tom respect. Justin is a G.

Great session! One of the best in 2023! 🙏🏾

This couldn't be more timely. Thank you

Our major problem is these generations have been raised by their mothers not theirs fathers,and mothers will suficate the male ego

"You must work hard to garner a set of skills that allow you to serve yourself and other people in a way that you find exciting. If you do that and you are making progress towards getting better at helping people at something that you are excited about you will even in moments of grief (pain and suffering) have fulfillment." -Tom Self-fulfillment is the optimal neurological state. This is gold.

Wow I really impressed with this man Justine Waller!! Will have to check him out! As a woman I love he see things, he thinks and we need such men today!!! Women need men like him!

Stocks are pretty unstable at the moment, but if you do the right math, you should be just fine. Bloomberg and other finance media have been recording cases of folks gaining over 250k just in a matter of weeks/couple months, so I think there are alot of wealth transfer in this downtime if you know where to look.

Great interview.

An interview that all MEN need!!! Shout out to Tom and JWaller 2 real ones!!!

Love how Justin stood his grown. The conversation was very telling. Justin looks down and then into your eyes. Tom looks all over the room searching and then back to you. Body language of Justin … confidence. Tom …unsure if this person will buy this information. Fascinating dynamics when two people are in a room.

Justin has this calm and clear way to communicate. I wish I could be as calm and collected. Well, one more thing I have to work on...

One hundred percent right being the best man you can and not chase woman

One amazing man-to-man conversation. Love the honesty and respect between these two.

I have been watching this podcast in sections. For two weeks. I get so upset and cry and yell at my TV because of my own experiences I'm having. This podcast has really been so helpful. I didnt really understand until now. If I had really understood the hearts and minds of men when I was young enough still. I never would have gotten married, lived with or seriously dated a single person ever. Men are lovely. I get it now.

Im halfway in and this is one of the best listens ive heard in a very long time.

Great to see two people communicate and have peaceful convo with some ideas that dont agree. I agree with justin.

Justin is a rare brother who can actually train you to become a better version of yourself.

Masculinity is necessary to guide little girls now a days into not being little ig models and only fan girls. It is needed Tom. You don't have children, do you know what children go through now a days that only a strong father can offer and be respected. ** I'm a female and I grew up with a strong father

Love how Tom keeps trying to argue and Justin shuts it down lol

I'm glad Tom asked Justin about betrayal. I wish we knew how Tom would handle betrayal from his team or his life partner. I think I would learn a lot from the response. Thank you for this medium.

This has to be the most mentally stimulating discussion I have heard in a very long time. The way you guys respected each others position is just flawless. And Tom you are right on 99% of your points. 🤓

Incredibly important conversation, thanks for having Justin on the podcast 💪🏻

@JWALLER bro as a son and a father who has been through child custody battles with 2 women I have children with, it broke my heart and made my eyes watery when you talked about what your dad went through. It also made me happy to hear that you laid off his house. I always give back to my my parents as much as I can even though it never feels like enough and that motivated me even more to do more for them. I’ve heard you on several different podcasts and believe you are a stand up guy. Keep up the good work.

One of the best interviews I have seen.

Another great Justin Waller interview! A lot to learn from that man!

Justin is so well spoken, conducts himself so well, truly admirable.

Love this! Amazing to have seen you grow so much Tom and so awesome to see you having real honest open discussions. Respect and thanks to both Tom and Justin 💜🙏🏻

So many good points ,all I can say is great job you two good men ,you both said exactly what you meant. You were both right on point with your true feeling as during the discussions, you guys both make glad to listen to tonight's discussions I have to say I envy you both .Thank you so much for speaking your minds on so many things . IT was clear that you were both were giving truthful comments and talking Un rehearsed on so many things I wish all men and women could have heen able to tune in to tonight's show but thank you so much for what your doing I truly thing your making a big difference in today's society for both men and women that listen to your all you r inputs and bearing your souls in front of so many ,it's really as though you were the two of you in a room with no listeners or forgot you were doing a show .We all need to hear more of you on so many issues but tonight's program was.......epic. and sensational Thank you so much for bring REAL. William Henry alias billyjack was stage name long ago..

This was cool to listen too, kudos to both of you for being adults, crazy we live in a world where seeing this is not the norm, where I feel the need to make a comment about it. This does leave hope on the table for me I believe.

0:00: 👫 The speaker believes that strong men are necessary for successful relationships and that men need to be the leaders in their households. 13:48: 👨‍👧‍👧 The speaker wants young men to have choice and be fulfilled in their relationships, emphasizing the importance of appreciation and protection. 25:45: 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 The speaker believes that men are being suppressed in society and that young men are dissatisfied with the direction society is taking them. 39:11: 💡 The key to guiding young men is to help them become the best version of themselves, focusing on physical fitness, financial literacy, communication skills, and understanding female nature. 51:22: 🤔 The line between good and evil runs through every person's heart, and humans are capable of both. 1:04:56: 🤔 The speaker discusses his views on judgment, nature, and hypergamy, as well as his perspective on social media and relationships. 1:18:50: 👥 The speaker discusses the lack of discipline in society and the impact it has on people's choices, particularly in relationships and sexuality. 1:31:57: 👥 The speaker believes that the natural state of a woman is to be submissive and in a helping role, and that most women do not want the pressure and stress of work and decision-making. 1:47:31: 😮 The conversation discusses various topics including the importance of shared narratives, the role of Christianity in Western civilization, and the perception of Jordan Peterson's actions as hypocritical. 2:05:17: 😊 Jay Waller expresses his loyalty and admiration for Andrew Tate and discusses the importance of brotherhood and happiness in his life. 2:13:06: 💪 The speaker believes in being unapologetic about building a group of men that hold each other to a high standard, and that trust and loyalty are crucial in such relationships. 2:26:10: 💑 The speaker discusses his relationship with his wife, their commitment to each other, and their decision not to have children. 2:38:42: 👨‍👧‍👧 The speaker expresses his motivation and inspiration to work hard every day for his daughters and create a legacy for them, while also discussing his thoughts on fatherhood and the challenges of raising children in a wealthy family. 2:52:23: 🏗 From starting with a job to building a multi-million dollar steel building business, the journey involved getting a contractor's license, living frugally, building systems, and trusting employees. 3:04:58: 🔑 The speaker discusses the importance of trust in building relationships and its impact on business success. Recap by Tammy AI

Needed this unc. Truthfully, ima do my best to not make it too long. Anyway, the past 3 years, I’ve been very depressed and dealt with heavy anxiety due to my past actions that disappointed the ones that mattered at the time. And I believed that, I would never amount to anything. Fortunately, a real life situation ( nothing deadly ) changed my way of thinking last year. For the better, and have done the best I can to be a better man/human being. Started my KZfaq and rebranded my clothing brand. Most importantly, embracing who I am. And accepting the accountability and responsibility of my own inna real way. Point is: once I’ve done that, I slowly seen haters coming on a rise.

Really enjoyed the little snippets of the podcast between all the adverts.

Great interview

Civilization at its best! Such a beautiful conversation and so much value in it! Thank you Tom 🙏🏾

The whole message boils down to men have to struggle to become great. Not all are guaranteed to be great just bc you struggle but you’re guaranteed to not be great if you never struggle.. just strive to be the best man you can be and forget about how hard it is and what the outcome is gonna be..

one of the best podcasts i've ever watch 💯

Im a woman and im much stronger physically and i believe in the positive energy u put off due to being strong and healthy because u feel better mentally and physically. As a massage therpist and trainer. Ive never once met anyone who said they felt worse from working out

Tom’s interview style is far superior to every other podcaster is watched. Love that he challenges his guests ideals and beliefs to pull as much insight out as possible.

I’m a woman and I agree 100% with what Justin Waller is saying and I don’t view his views and red pill as the same though there is overlap. This was a very nuanced discussion that most people are too lazy or too traumatized to have. Loved it!

Loving these podcast

Tom likes to hear himself talk more than he likes to let his guests talk.

This is one amazing talk! ❤❤❤ This is, first of all, a lesson about how a conversation should take place in order to bring value instead of a ego combat 🙏👌

Absolutely loved this! It's rare to hear people converse about masculinity without someone or myself getting too riled up. Usually someone ends up saying something that crosses a boundary or says something completely illogical and dumb. The respect, thought, articulation and tone of this entire conversation was what made it stand out. Much needed and appreciated. Thank you guys!

Very informative. A different side of Justin that people never see.

Wow one of the best interviews ever!!!

Great video! The amount of self-reflection I was able to obtain, i am very grateful! A dynamic conversation but way deeper than surface levels. I mean, there was something weird that i was just being lifted up by the back and forth. Tom i like how this channel always is elevating my Conscious.

This is how you have an intelligent conversation,. They were not "married to their ideals," impeccable listening, and respect. I learned a lot from both Tom and Justin. I lean more toward Justin but Tom got me to think deeply about what I believe and why I believe it. Great interview brothers!

I was with my wife for 16 years, she cheated on me when I got cancer. For better or worse doesn't apply to women.

An exciting and intellectual debate! Great!

This has been a good observation of two men having a healthy conversation. I appreciate the knowledge presented from both sides, and this aids in the journey. I will be forever grateful for this insight.

I had only seen shorts of him and wasn't sure how I felt about him. Whether he was a legit winner or just some internet personality creation to fill a niche. Great talk and great to see just a good dude spreading his own positive message!

Wow, this is a great conversation.

Such a game changing conversation. To hear the view point on how both of these men see relationships and marriage and children is so critical and to understand the “why?” behind each of them made me realize how much I share viewpoints of both of them. Great conversation!

Best conversation between 2 man with disagreement about masculinity, truly amazing. I myself agree with Justin. But man how perfectly calm and concrete answeres as to their viewpoints they are giving is just amazing. I usually hate this topic because its just a scream festival saying: "I know better". These great man really listen and try to understand eachother and even if the other changes their view on a little point they are respecting it and change their view. These are the real man we need more of. I love it!❤

Thank you for this input. I’m 23 and I’m going through a pivotal point in my life rn and the advice that you two spread was phenomenal!

Civil grown up debate without emotion fuelled conflict although there were differences of opinion. Some of which could have been taken quite personally. Brilliant to see. Great episode. Respect to both gents.

Maybe the 6th time I listen to this interview. Love it and im learning still every time more.

It’s nice to see a genuine interaction w 2 people picking each others brain 🧠

One of my favorite papers I wrote in grad school (MA in special education) was titled, The Condundrum of Too Many Choices, and even back then (20 years ago) it was clear that just creating more choice is not only not the point, it actually makes us less satisfied with what we choose. Too many choices is counterproductive to happiness and fulfillment, and probably productivity. We just need one, better choice, or, optimally, 3-5 choices is the sweet spot for humans.

Damn. Super powerful. Thank you.

When I hear Justin speak my eyes roll. I feel so sorry for his daughters.