I finally found someone who knows cross gene! And yes there were not much japanese idols back then

This! it is quite an amazing feat for the japanese members to be as popular and liked as the korean ones (esp Sana), the thing is japanese is actually quite disliked by some Koreans due to their bad history during the war.

so true, specially some of the produce series, specifically PD48 and girls planet

@@nothing4120 oh true

There was a 1st gen girl group that was called Circle that had 2 Japanese members, 1 Chinese member and 2 Korean members. Although they were not as successful as Twice, but one of the pioneers to have more than one foreign member in the group.

Yes, and survival show groups to follow them have proven their popularity: IOI, Izone, Kep1er, and Fromis_9 all have very solid fan bases. It’s when that group disbands and fractures that the issue comes in where these companies relied too heavily on the members themselves to keep them afloat

also they were really controlled by jyp to be seen as an unit. Only very recently they're getting more solo activities, This really saved them from having one or two stronger more famous members and the rest

and the fact tzuyu is taiwanese too! so that makes them 4

i think op is still including tzuyu, but pointing out the significance of there being three japanese members due to koreas deeply historical issues with japan, and that there weren’t many japanese idols pre twice! no hate, just pointing out

@@kaheis4566 that was my intention. I never meant to forget Tzuyu (how can I forget our maknae!). There were other idols from Japan, but no group had a J-line. Although, I believe Tzuyu was the first Taiwanese idol (or one of the earliest).

Yeah, groups like exo had a lot of foreign members (4, iirc) But they really weren't treated equally to the Korean member's at all

@@crptpyr yeah, which resulted in 3/4 of them permanently leaving the group 😭

But doesn't Mina speak english?

@@linn4823 yes she can but she rarely talk and not fluent enough to break the language barrier😭

@@knobdoor Im pretty sure she can understand english but not fluent (her accent)

That’s the dumbest achievement lmao

@@linn4823 not really.. if you watch her speaking English at recent twice concert (ie the one in texas), you can see her struggle a lot. Which makes sense bc she wasn't really raise in the US (not enough where she can retain her fluency).

A lot of groups, in fact, we're inspired by Snsd, such as gfriend, blackpink and etc.

@@kimchinariran2257 i dont think blackpink snsd had a cute and experimental while black pink is girl crush

@@Darlahehe snsd influenced every girl groups, and it’s not only about the music

@@kimchinariran2257 snsd did not inspire Blackpink at all.

@@bhad4788 snsd did not inspire Blackpink at all. You could say 2ne1 inspired bp.

I've been sone since i was 16, and i also fallen in love with twice since their first debut, i only love those two groups if i could categorise them on the "cheerful sides"

crack.

Snsd had strong vocal line tho ..

@@BhaktManomandirVihariniUma so does Twice!

@@karla_thee_potato twice can sing but comparing their vocals to snsd is a set up

That and that Twice’s synergy is undeniable, when a member is missing on stage you FEEL IT. Take Feel Special stages without Mina, ICSM stages without Jeongyeon and recently this Talk the Talk stage without Jihyo, they lack the charm you would see in an ot9 stage. All members serve a purpose in the group and this is part of what makes them such forces to be reckoned with

Everglow up's video is that correct? The wolf pack reference

I am surprised that people in these comments don't know these simple facts about Twice yet they talk litral bs with so much confidence💀

JYP said he wanted another SNSD pls ..

@@itgetsworse601 right and can you tell us a bit more about the voices in your head that told you that?

@@itgetsworse601 that’s another level of delusion honey check on yourself and stop making up stuff

@@itgetsworse601 When? More like SM wants their own TWICE yeah lmao

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Clc i think they had a mix of conceps and more melodic music style during the debut but mainly cute, but by that time mixes weren't so popular, Twice have Loa edgy but with cute, more popular but not to much, Cube started changing Clc concept and music style causing them to gain and lose fanbase until black dress and No came out. Cute and pure concept were already trendy before Twice, i gonna say they were consistent over the time, had a music style and had better managment mainwhile Cube commited mistake after mistake and charged it all to the girls saying that it was their fault when Cube did not give them promotions.(no hate to both groups i love them) In the case of Hobgoblin was really popular internationally charting well but in Corea it tanked and the public was angry that a cute and pure group was put to do that, so Clc did not got wins in that era and the fanbase who knew them for the cute songs was leaving, Cube tried to fix it with the k public by putting out Where are you, but after Hobgobling, the international fans were dissapointed.

I like that once in a while they release a cutesy stuff too, not as bubbly as their old release but still (The feels, talk that talk, celebrate)

Pristin had so much potential I'll never understand why pleidis just gave up on them

@@Marinlss me either. Makes absolutely zero sense to me

I agree everyone post ioi group was so talented and all of them made amazing music it’s horrible that most of them failed to succeed

Pristin had so much talent and could have gone far of they tried, I to this day still listen to Wee Woo and even Pristin V's Get It. I think if they branched Pristin out and did Get it as a full group, instead of a sub-unit especially when I think at the time it was released the girl crush concept was picking up more traction becoming a concept people wanted to see more of they would have had more people interested in them. Also another down side I don't think Pledis knew what they wanted Pristin's sound to be, they just needed to get a group together to capitalize on Nayoung and Kyulkyung being in ioi and their fame from their fans. Even the others who were on the show but eliminated had also most likely gained fans through the show who followed them and wanted to see them debut. For Weki Meki that's just a sad shame. They have so many good songs and I felt like they were gaining their sound slowly, they knew what direction they wanted to go in but, honestly they were mismanaged and not handled right if they were they could have been fairly popular. I think almost like WJSN they have their fans support and the gp have a positive veiw of them I think that could have been Weki Meki or maybe bigger. As for Gugudan, that was the loss of a great group with good songs and beautifully done concepts. They had the recipe and the talent to make it far and have a solid dedicated fanbase but, honestly I feel like because it wasn't an instant success their management gave up. They didn't promote them well didn't know what to do with them to properly showcase the group and their talent, they had a concept you don't see alot or if ever in kpop. It's definitely a rare one and if a group does do it, it's for like one song off the album and then their done with it or they try and make a whole album concept around it then are like okay we did it now moving on to never revisit it again. 3rd Gen was the generation of groups who had their own unique concepts and some had storyline's/lore that fans followed and were connected through comebacks, whether that be in the title track or a subsequent b-side that got a mv that connected to the universe. 3rd gen also was when people wanted unique groups like twice and bts, who had their own flavor and sound and brought that with them even if they changed the concept up a little a bit you still knew who it was when you heard it. I personally think that's why alot of these groups didn't make it

@@XHelloKittyX60 You have an excellent point. I agree entirely. It really sucks because they had so much potential

Exactly, if we make a recap it’s WeMe the one who inspired Itzy concept 💀

Now I just hope toxic ones won't go around claiming all gg copy them cause I totally agree with your points

I think that they went with twice like cute concept because GFriend wasn't a just a innocence concept group, they were a power innocent group. And to emulate that they would need really amazing dancers and chorographers, which is kinda expensive. I can't imagine SinB doing a only innocent concept lmao

Group who tried to copy twice didn't succeed because there were already top Group with similar vibe before twice amd than twice at top .. and Blackpink we're first girl Group with girl crush concept who has that much influence .. that they made GP and other kpop fans love girl crush concept hence other groups who followed them had success

@@BhaktManomandirVihariniUma I think its mostly because girl crush is easily marketable in america. After bts, all groups are targeting the american market. i have seen no group with cute concept whatsoever appeal to the american audience. atleast with the amount of sales and soldout concerts twice has.

no girl group that ever tried to do a girl crush concept after bp have managed to be successful on the same way bp is

@@H_L_S_T well it make alot of sense.. girl crush concept is what popular in America

hmm i disagree about t-ara, they are one of my top 2nd gen girl groups but i don’t think of them at all when i think of twice, i think t-ara did many concepts from the start of their career and didn’t have that cute cute image snsd had, the concepts, the lineup changes, etc all of these things make me exclude them, tbh the 2nd girl group that reminds me the most of twice other than snsd is probably kara during their rock u/pretty girl/honey eras, the one difference would be size of the group

I kind of think they were thinking of twice’s debut which honestly reminded me concept-wise of Lovey-Dovey. And don’t forget the 80s influences of T-ara which twice also shared at some points early on (maybe coincidental though). Just an interesting similarity.

I disagree about T-ara but it's true, the smaller groups is really hyped by western market

Hmm maybe you can elaborate a bit more on the T-ara connection. I'm not a huge fan of them so I'm curious. I think one thing Twice had in common with SNSD that was key to their success (as well as their catchy songs) was that every member kind of had their own image so no matter what kind of idol is "your type" (elegant, funny, amazing vocalist, etc.) you can find a member of Twice to be a fan of. And like SNSD they also promoted heavily the group image for years even in cameo appearances or CFs they focused on the group rather than any one member. For example, both groups rarely had just one member make an appearance on a show and if they did they often talked about Twice quite a bit. When one member of SNSD lead in a drama another would sing a song for that dramas OST and for Twice I believe they shared one social media for years (and maybe still do?).

tara had a disco / retro concept and dabbled into maturw themes more than once, check out bo peep mv. Not really similar to Twice. SNSD put cute concepts on the map during gee era

I agree, maybe it seems kinda subtle now because of all these debuts. But I believe that in 5 or 10 years kinda, (G)-IDLE would be remember as one of the huge pillars of 4th gen.

Yet as a copy group non other groups can replace what twice, SK itzy offers which say alot about this group

i agree just like what they did to itzy, when girl crush trend was popularized by blackpink they literally hoped on the trend. (no hate to itzy) its not like they exactly copy its just that when a concept is on trend they hop on the trend

jyp litrally started the survival show group trend with twice + twice's original lineup was 7 members and they debuted with a teen-crush concept and for the rest of their carrier they never had 1 concept. bp didn't influnce itzy... bp were litrally an another 2ne1 how could they influnce other groups when they never were the original?

@@penguinmina7296 it was because blackpink was prettier version of 2ne1. i mean the way blackpink and 2ne1 were dressed is very far while the way itzy dressed isnt that far from blackpink. i think 4minute was the most influenced by 2ne1 while blackpink is influenced by 2ne1 but doesnt really wear very bold hairstyle and outfits. in conclusion 2ne1 started the girl crush trend then later on blackpink did but in a prettier version then other groups did it too.

@@peachyae9260 exactly what i said "an another 2ne1" we r not talking about dressing we r talking about over all influence!. plus blackpink don't dress in anything special for u to say they influence itzy in that department lol all kpop acts reuse the same clothes and styles u r not making any point.

It's not about gg or twice it's about how 2nd gen had GG 3rd got twice but for 4th it's seem impossible for now

he didn't, exactly! glad you're aware.

yes he didn't u watch sixteen instead of pretending u know what u r talking about lol

@@penguinmina7296 ppl speaking confidently while being blinded with dumbness is utter baffling. Its transgressed idiocy yet its hurtful for the brain

@@juliane5632 i know sis hope they get better though

i cant hear backrgound music

Nah Izone could be the next Girls Generation in terms of talents. Cough singing ability..

@@obsessed2754 toxic toxic is that you

@@obsessed2754 not really since a ton of girls in iz*one can sing unlike snsd where take out the vocal trio and you're left with the most below mediocre vocalists ever

@@swtvic Bitch you better be joking, all Girls Generation members can sing Jessica, Taeyeon, Seohyun, Sunny and Tiffany are great vocalist and Yoona, Hyo, Yuri and Soyoung can still sing very well unlike in Iz*one plastic Sakura, pick me woonyoung and useless Hyewon.

@@obsessed2754 its a missed hit for making your name obsessed to lunatic

Is it not because the concept made BP popular?

@@Yuunarichu I think it had a hand in their popularity for sure. At the time, it wasn't the most popular concept and people like seeing something different and somewhat fresh. But they def had a large hand in making it popular once again(it was big in 2nd gen if my memory serves me right)

@@sugarysubs7821 Ohh :0 I'm not really a stats person in general so idk lol

most people that say that can't even keep an argument lol they don't even know that twice original lineup was 7 not 9

THIS.

Spill

In Cheer Up they were wearing cheerleader uniform so that was the similar concept but after that I think they went their separate ways

@@blondielockssso according to yall twice shouldn't be wearing cheerleader clothes as many groups did so that you won't say they copy snsd concept or even similar? Meh.

Loona?💀

@@andreeatanasescu7908 Blockberry modelled the group in a similar fashion- many members, short parts and originally went for a cute concept for the group. Loona definitely made a name for themselves, but in terms of how companies model groups LOONA can be considered relatively similar

I would have said aespa is SM's attempt to make his own Blackpink .. if aespa didn't have metaverse concept which Lee soman was planning way before he finalized line up

Actually before Twice JYP wanted to debut a Japanese group

@@HPFan4Life81 ok…..never said he didn’t

Makes sense tho, Dsp tried to do the same on Kara days by debuting Puretty, with the difference that them disbanded without even debuting on SKorea. But NiziU is doing so well, I believe that they got formed because Sony Music Japan saw Twice's success and said... We want that because money and JYPark also saw a opportunity to make a name by himself but in Japan. Non kpop related, but they did the same with AKB48, and that's why their producer debuted Nogizaka46

@@andieamigu5214 right like I understand wanting to make a new twice due to how popular they are Literally both had 9 members Both mad from a Survival show All members kinda are similar in a way to a individual in twice (that probably doesn’t make any since) Each Nizi member has a twice counter part Mako =Tzuyu Rio =Momo Maya =Mina Riku =Jeongyeon Ayaka =Sana Mayuka =Dahyun Rima = Chaeyoung Miihi =Nayeon Nina =Jihyo

yeah, apparently it was supposed to be twice' song, and tt was supposed to be ioi's song as mentioned by jeongyeon i think

Who tf are they? I only know TWICE

@@user-vn8jl1pk5n The gg who became the top group despite coming from an unknown company, built their careers off of nothing but hard work, revitalized the innocent concept for 3rd gen to prioritize strong dance and vocals, and covered Twice's song Like Ooh Ahh wonderfully :)

@@n4ttyyy oh GFRIEND yes, too bad they disband. Yes, they were big but I don’t think they give much influence to girl groups compared to TWICE. Literally every company try the « TWICE formula ». I give you some examples: Cherry Bullet, IZ*ONE, Kep1er, etc…

@@user-vn8jl1pk5n Huh? Those groups are nothing like Twice Im a once but no need to be delusional now. Izone is very much Gfriend + SNSD, Cherry Bullet as well, and Kep1er is inspired from Itzy who pioneered 4th gen and as I said Gfriend and SNSD are the ones who really pioneered 3rd gen with cute concepts that highlight strong dance + vocal.

@@n4ttyyy Bruh… You’re only delusional. There’s nothing similar with GFRIEND at all LMAO. Who tf cares about GFRIEND? They are barely known. ALSO THE J-LINE, see the similarity??? Companies try to reproduce TWICE formula by adding J-LINE in their groups because of TWICE!!

don't mention them? are u dumb?

Blackpink is the biggest girl KPop group not twice. I say this as aespa fan.

@@MattL7568 being an aepa fan will not make what u r saying true lol, everything that i wrote in the original comment is 100% factual u can’t argue facts😂

@@penguinmina7296 you’re biased I am not

@@MattL7568 how tf am i biased when i am just stating facts☠️? Numbers can’t be biased jeremy get over yourself

@@penguinmina7296 who cares that they started the survivor trend? You point out useless facts and ignore real facts such as BP having 6 billion more views to their videos compared to twice. Like I said you’re biased.

"A pure pop music in a HipHop saturated world" red flag uh oh

@@pppppp2441 Red flag?? On what? Are we forced to love hip hop?

@ Angelove It was probably autocorrect.

I think yes, but they would have had more of a rocky start, because the survival show allowed the public to get to know the members individually before chucking them in a large group. Its like produce survival shows, you can make them bigger bc people are less intimidated when they already know the members individually. they filled the space of cute concepts, and I think they still would have been relevant all through 2016-2019, but maybe they would have struggled more with the concept change than they did now, because the survival show made people attached to them as people, meaning they're more likely to stay when the music and concept changes and the girls show a different, more mature side. It's interesting to think about! especially when nowadays, newcomers to twice have no idea it even happened, even though it defined their debut at the time.

But Twice is the only GG who can compete with the male groups back then.

I feel like u didn't understand the video at all

@@sanzuswoman8186 or maybe you watched a different one?

they are not doing well lol.