I'm glad I could be of assistance. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Orochi V2 Pro once you get it in if you remember or care to get back to me.

Some people are definitely very sensitive to sensor placement. But I'm glad you got it figured out. Also, helpful information. I need to try and remember to mention sensor placement more often in my videos.

Honestly, I have no idea where I put my G305. So I can't do A - B testing between the click noise. I don't remember how loud the clicks were as I've tested a lot of mice since then. All I can say is that I like the Orochi a lot. If you can find it on sale and you won't miss that money that it would be worth trying out. But if you greatly enjoy the G305 I don't see a reason to switch either. As chasing the "next best thing" is a rotating door and the finish line doesn't exist.

oh heck.. I have alleviated most of these problems 2 weeks ago on my G304/5.. when I decided to uhmm... well... spend a few $10 worth of kailh silent switches, and soldering paraphernalia.. I opened the mouse up and replaced the switches with the silent clickers.. now I don't have double click problems and I got really quiet clicks so I don't disturb my family members in the living room with my aggressive clicking.

I want to say about a foot is considered the ideal range. But it’ll say somewhere in the documentation that comes with the mouse if you read through it. As I don’t remember exactly off the top of my head. Depending on the wireless mouse they come with just 2.4 GHz wireless OR Bluetooth. Or both. Bluetooth will have a lot of latency and can be used for normal browsing but never for gaming as it will feel terrible. Also, the 2.4 GHz is automatically connected to the mouse with the included dongle that you would plug into your PC for the wireless function to work. No need for Bluetooth. Which will also get you the best latency.

That's awesome man! I'm excited for you. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

Weight is one of those things that I have a hard time making a decision on. As on one hand I totally agree that it is personal preference. But on the other hand objectively there are clear advantages to lower being better. But those advantages are highly situational. Such as GridShot like activities where you're moving your mouse around a ton. But I think once you hit

That's awesome man! I'm glad it is working so well for you. Totally agree, I find that the smaller weights help me just use my fingertips (along with the lightweight) which puts less stress to my wrists, forearm, elbow, and shoulder. Also, agree with Razer. A lot of my favorite products are Razer. They certainly have their misses (like all companies do). But think when it comes to mice and keyboards they knock it out of the park.

That is interesting. I'd try and reach out for an RMA. As that sounds like a defect to me and I would prefer you try and get a new one before that one possible breaks and your out of warranty.

@@ThomasMuehler UPDATE: I was able to talk to razer and I got a new one under warranty.

@@douglassantos8918 That's great news. Glad you got it sorted out and a new one under warranty. Bummed that you had to do it in the first place though.

Any mechanical switch has the chance of breaking down and double clicking. Which means if you are trying to avoid that altogether than you need to look at mice that have optical switches. Both the G305 and Orochi V2 use mechanical switches. I hear Logitech mice in general tend to have double clicks more often than I've heard from Razer. But I've had people report double clicking with both mice. But the G305 moreso than the Orochi. But that could be due to a lot of different reasons. Otherwise, the only reason why I would say change the mouse is: 1. You want to try something new (shape, size, weight, color, brand, etc.) 2. You are wanting to upgrade (better sensor, wireless, RGB, whatever else you can think of). 3. You didn't like the G305.

@@ThomasMuehler I am looking to upgrade my mouse since its pretty much unusable right now, orochi v2 is the only decent looking mouse ive found at its price range.

@@tc.n From the mice that I've tried the Orochi is one of the best ones I've tried. Definitely up there in the top percentiles. Especially, for the price. Everytime I use it I remember how nice it is. So assuming you enjoy the shape and size I think you'll enjoy it. As they nailed the other aspects.

​@@tc.nyou can diy fix it by replacing the switches, requires soldering but isn't too hard

@@Cyliano Well the double clicking and stuff completely stopped by itself, but the scroll wheel is getting stuck often and also theres connection issues now, I might switch to a new mouse this week.

Have you looked into the Razer Viper V3 Hyperspeed? As I think I'd go for that one. Still same battery design. More symmetrical shape. Medium size. For the most part premium specs which means you have the best sensor on the market and access to 8,000 Hz if you want (via the non-included hyperspeed dongle). Assuming that the front sensor position doesn't throw you off. And is a safe shape for a multitude for hand sizes and grip styles. Around same price as the others mentioned. I think the Deathadder V2 x Hyperspeed would be the other option I would pick over the G304. Because again, I'm a spec/performance guy. Which means I'm biased towards that and prioritize that over everything else. Depending on your own biases that may not align with my recommendations. My biggest issue with that would be what is your hand size and grip style? As the Deathadder is a large mouse and very wide. Which can limit aim potential. But that is us getting into other weeds. Put simply fingertip/claw hybrid grip tends to be the best for maximum aim potential as you have full ROM of the mouse. Fingertips for micro adjustments, hand for small/medium adjustments, arm for tracking/big movements. Which is where the G304 would do better. As smaller which means easier to dominate. But I think the specs are quite as good. Would be interested to hear which one you go with.

Fareler kişisel tercihtir. Sizin için en iyi olduğunu düşündüğünüz şeyle yola çıkmalısınız. Razer'ın üstün bir fare olduğunu düşünüyorum. Ve onu seçmememdeki tek sebep şeklin bana uymamasıydı. Ama şahsen ben bunu 10/10 kez seçerdim. Ayrıca, G203'ün şeklini kesinlikle seviyorsanız, o zaman neden kırılmayan şeyi değiştiresiniz ki?

@@ThomasMuehler Orochi v2 aldığım zaman mouse kayganlığı tıklama sorunu yada başka bir sorun yaşar mıyım yaşarsam ne kadar süre sonra yaşarım ?

Bunu isteyip istemediğinizden emin değilim. Teknik olarak, bu kusurlu bir ürün olduğundan ve RMA'lanması gerektiğinden bunu yapmamalısınız. Ancak konumunuza bağlı olarak RMA'nın az çok karmaşık olabileceğini biliyorum. G305 ile çift tıklama elde edebilirsiniz. Yani her ikisi de risk taşıyor. İşte bu yüzden RMA bir şeydir. Böylece çalışan bir ürüne sahip olduğunuzdan emin olabilirsiniz.

I like it! I'll steal it and try it out. And totally agree! I just completely forgot about that until after the fact. Which is why I tend to try and write scripts instead of going ad lib.

Glad you liked it! thanks for letting me know.

G305 is like 99 grams and the Orochi is like 75 grams. The weight varies dramatically based on the battery you choose.

@@ThomasMuehler cool! Thanks!

@@ThomasMuehler while true, does it matter much unless you want to move it as fast as possible

​ @General Grievous I personally find weight to be a huge deal. The three main aspects I find in a mouse (these days) is weight, size, and shape (not in any particular order). I find with lower weight it gives me a lot more control over the mouse all around, which makes sense when you incorporate Newtons Law of Motion. A lightweight mouse will be easier to move all around making it more percise. As you can start and stop it easier, making flicks and tracking easier. Even doing small movements requires less force giving you better granular control and therefore better accuracy. With it being lightweight you also have less fatigue over long periods which you could argue leads to being able to play at a higher level for longer. Personally, I find 80 grams to be the heaviest I'd go for an "ultralight" mouse. I find 60 grams to be the most ideal for "performance mice" and by that I mean competitive FPS. With 45 grams being hit or miss for people. Where some find that is too light and for others it continues to give benefits and love it (I am part of this group). Weight just like shape and size are highly individualistic so you gotta go with whatever is best for YOU. But I have found through my research most people find a general increase in ability at the ~60 range more so than the ~80 range with a decrease going higher than that. That doesn't mean you can't perform extremely well, just that it takes more effort. As everything still comes down to the individual and the skill they possess over the tools they are using. It's just that certain tools make things easier. You can build a house with hand tools but it is far easier with power tools.

@@ThomasMuehler with aaa lithium or aaaa 305 weight like 75-78 gr

Depends on what you are looking for. As mice are personal preference. I'm leaning more towards the Orochi V2 as I think it is the better mouse. But it highly depends on your grip style. Grip Style: Orochi is going to be best for fingertip/claw as it is a small mouse. For most people (unless if you have very small hands) you won't be able to palm it. Whereas, the Deathadder V2 X is made for Palm grip and is a large mouse. Also, tends to be quite wide. So if you have large hands that is going to be best. If you have medium size hands it may feel a bit too big. However, it is going to be more ergonomic. Specs are better on the Orochi V2. With the biggest difference being the sensor. Which may or may not be a big deal. If you are more of a casual player it won't matter. If you are a hardcore esport individual it may and I would recommend the Orochi.

@@ThomasMuehler Ok, thank you very much.

I hope so too! But that should still be within the warranty period as I thought that was two years. Assuming you are located somewhere that supports warranties.

@@ThomasMuehler Bought it on Amazon so I’m not really sure

@@OkeOke-zs5ju The warranty is through Logitech. It is 2-years. What I mean by "located somewhere that supports it" is that certain countries either don't support it or it is so difficult that it makes it non-viable. But if you're in the US then you're good. So, I'd go to Logitech's website and file an RMA claim for the G305 if you want it repaired.

@@ThomasMuehler I actually just talked to the Support xD. They are sending me a now one thank you man

I guess now I can cancel my orochi order was actually kinda hyped for it

Fair point. Definitely depends on pricing and sales.

That's unfortunate. I'm sorry to hear that. But some shapes just be like that.

You are correct. I shouldn't have missed that. The only reason why I think I may have missed it is because the weight varies dramatically depending on what battery you use. And with the G305 if you are using a Double A or Triple A (with adapter).

Interesting. Definitely shouldn't be happening and would be covered under the warranty so I'd definitely RMA it. But I do greatly appreciate you sharing your experiences and issues as that really does help out.

That is definitely a deal breaker then. G305 is still excellent. Have you tried the G303? I'm just curious how you'd like that mouse based on grip/fingers.

Here's the thing. All mice have problems. None of them are perfect. No product in existence comes out of the factory with 100% perfect copies. With that out of the way, it really comes down to personal preference. If you are looking objectively at it, the Orochi is better as it has better internals and performance. I also think the build quality on the Razer is slightly better. But a lot of it comes down to personal preference. Which I know doesn't help. But my choice would be Orochi 10/10 times.

Interesting. That is totally fair. Out of curiosity what click issues do you have on the Orochi?

How incredibly frustrating. I've been lucky with my Logitech mice and never had any issues. But part of that could also be that I cycle through mice more often so they get less wear and tear. If you happen to remember or you develop an issue with your Orochi V2 I would love to hear it.

@@ThomasMuehler Never had any problem with Logitech before too, that's why I gave it a second chance because otherwise mouse was really awesome. Using Orochi V2 rn, and it really feels comfortably similar to G305. I'll share my experience If I run into a problem.

​@@Grimsyxd what do you thinking right now about mouse

@@zerren0v0 Works flawlessly to this day and it's much more responsive than G305.

@@Grimsyxd I'm having the same issue. Went through two G305s, my second one lasting only one year before LMB started doing double clicks on a physical single click. Just got my Orochi today. What I really appreciate is being the mouse using both 2.4g and bluetooth.

It is nice that battery life on wireless mice have gotten to be so good where it doesn't matter when one is better than the other.

Your sentence fell apart quickly there. I think I got your meaning though. Actually asking, you really think Logitech G Hub is superior to Synapse?! As I can't stand G Hub and would take Synapse 10/10 times. Which isn't to say that Synapse could be improved. As it certainly can. But I think it has gotten a lot better in the last year or two as I rarely run into problems these days.

@@ThomasMuehler I mean, Razor literally mines crypto on your hardware, so it loses immediately.

@@Levy_Wilson I am familiar with them "renting" out your hardware and paying for it to mine crypto (which is no longer a thing). But not familiar with them doing it without your permission. Plus that would be extremely intensive on your hardware so it isn't like you wouldn't notice. But I understand where you are coming from. As no matter what it is sketchy.

I’m sorry to hear that. How very frustrating! But I do appreciate you letting me know. Hopefully, you can RMA it and that process will be painless.

Mice definitely come down to personal preference. And it is so hard to decide which one to go with. Hence, why I own WAY to many mice. lol. But you gotta ask yourself what can I live without? Sometimes I'll grab a coin, heads for Logitech, tails for Razer. Flip it and before you look ask yourself what do you want it to be. Then look and see if you're disappointed.

just bought orochi v2 and im using g102 before, i really want to buy g305 but so many double click issue for logitech mouse, so i go for orochi v2

@@yudipurnama7297 I think you made a good choice. But you could also always wait for a sale or find somewhere that has good returns and try out the G305 and see what you think. If you do I'd love to hear your thoughts.

wtf is asian hand??

@@niajef I feel like I am walking into a trap. But I think he was saying that since Asians on average tend to be shorter they have smaller hands and since the G305 is a small mouse it will fit them better.