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Two pair and a flush draw, Bad RIVER

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Күн бұрын

Caller has two pair and a flush draw but gets a very bad river.
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Edited by - Anita Lai

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@CrushlivePoker
@CrushlivePoker 3 жыл бұрын
Against this erratic opponent, if he moved all-in for basically a pot sized bet on the river, should we call?
@RunItTw1ce4858
@RunItTw1ce4858 3 жыл бұрын
Yes because only need to be right 30-35% of the time. Fish has more bluffs than value hands given the number of combos we block. Also fish could just be over playing a hand thinking hero is betting a draw. Question is 3 bet shoving turn and forcing a calling mistake more profitable than calling and letting villain realize his equity and expose yourself to action killing rivers?
@bobbywhite1645
@bobbywhite1645 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes...
@illhaveanother4365
@illhaveanother4365 3 жыл бұрын
Depends
@Leszczu1483
@Leszczu1483 3 жыл бұрын
I love it how Bart rarely gets it the opponents hand right. He does a lot of analyssis quessing many hands and than being very surprised when he sees the opponents hand.
@williamzagarella8066
@williamzagarella8066 3 жыл бұрын
@@Leszczu1483 because a lot of the villains hands make no sense lmao. I guarantee you, you ask 1000 people what you think hand is after watching this video, if you're lucky, maybe 2 people guess AQ.
@maximilian_6561
@maximilian_6561 3 жыл бұрын
If we are spiking the pot with large denomination chips when we are value betting, would that not be a fairly obvious tell that aware opponents could easily pick up on?
@cedriclenners3737
@cedriclenners3737 3 жыл бұрын
With the possible reading on the turn, why don't you consider jamming? What is villain's range? 22, KJ for value? Every Ax club, QT... and if he plays everyhand, you can have J2, J4, even 24... I really think the jam turn was an EV+ option
@OsefKincaid
@OsefKincaid 3 жыл бұрын
We're attributing reads that work against real players on the turn here, and this guy isn't one. He can have J4, 42, he can raise call a flush draw, a king, QTo... it's absolutely not true that we can only get called by better if we shove the turn here.
@OsefKincaid
@OsefKincaid 3 жыл бұрын
@Cousin Jimmy Farha No.
@OsefKincaid
@OsefKincaid 3 жыл бұрын
@Cousin Jimmy Farha No.
@traviscoates6878
@traviscoates6878 Жыл бұрын
"Just a bit of background, the villain is an awful, button clicking, hack & I'm a winning player." 90% of callers describing the villain in said hand...
@rickjames4406
@rickjames4406 3 жыл бұрын
11:04 that’s a great poker lesson that’s so often over looked. Good player!! Move up from 1-3
@RunItTw1ce4858
@RunItTw1ce4858 3 жыл бұрын
@Bart the new school approach for solved preflop ranges via Monker highly prefers KXs and QXs. Where K4s is basically pure open from CO but SCs 76s (75%) 65s (50%) and 54s (25%) frequency with just being RFi, no limpers in front. I tend to lean towards SCs for more robust equity, but I guess flush over flush is big possibility or just top pair value. What are your thoughts on this KXs vs low SCs?
@idahogreen2885
@idahogreen2885 3 жыл бұрын
Nerd😎
@RunItTw1ce4858
@RunItTw1ce4858 3 жыл бұрын
@@idahogreen2885 information = $$$$$$
@FefeLeVrai
@FefeLeVrai 3 жыл бұрын
At which stack depth did you simulate? When short stacked I understand folding low SCs pre even in late position while opening all the high card hands, but at 100+ bb deep this sounds insane.
@johngilbert7359
@johngilbert7359 3 жыл бұрын
Great hand analysis!
@brianprocida4723
@brianprocida4723 3 жыл бұрын
Great work, Bart. Also, that is an enormous coffee cup.
@Chino-bk9fd
@Chino-bk9fd 3 жыл бұрын
HARDCORE DEGENS
@ToolFan68
@ToolFan68 3 жыл бұрын
That one was crazy
@nikitakucherov5028
@nikitakucherov5028 3 жыл бұрын
Ya’ll must run better than me, once I turn two pair there was NO CONSIDERATION of folding.... Honesty before knowing villians hand I was considering raising river as played.
@TurboShred13
@TurboShred13 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Bart. Keep up the good work. 😎🎸
@williamwallace3848
@williamwallace3848 3 жыл бұрын
Really have to consider that you are almost never winning immediately preflop with this raise in a $1-3 game.
@brandondorsey7204
@brandondorsey7204 3 жыл бұрын
"In a tougher 2/5 game I could have found a fold". I'm a nit, but no. absolutely not. This hand is not a fold.
@n8ball02
@n8ball02 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question for anyone out there. A few weeks ago I go to a $2/$5/$10 game with a $5k buy-in. I'm carrying my chip racks to the table and the dealer asks if I want in as he is about to deal. It makes me the BB or I have to wait 2 hands, so I say deal me in. I get my cards and throw a protector chip on top and get situated, but meanwhile UTG just blasts all in for $5200. It folds around to me and I go into the tank. After some talk I show the KK to try to get a read. The dude didn't seem like he cared so I just muck. I'd like to know what others would do in that situation. Also if anyone comments I will tell you what cards he showed. I folded because my logic was I don't want to be on my 2nd buy-in before I even get my chips unracked.
@hschuler7892
@hschuler7892 3 жыл бұрын
I've posed that hand as hypotheticals before hahah so sick if true
@cliffordcook922
@cliffordcook922 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's a call if you are rolled for the game. I don't play 5/10 but I've seen this move more with JJ and AK vs AA because of difficulty post flop. AA definitely does it some because of past suckouts. A player making that move has to be bad reguardless of the holding, so sitting on his left should make for a good session.
@n8ball02
@n8ball02 3 жыл бұрын
@@cliffordcook922 I'm sitting to his right and it was a good session.
@n8ball02
@n8ball02 3 жыл бұрын
@@hschuler7892 Yea that is a true story. He showed me A♡K♡.
@n8ball02
@n8ball02 3 жыл бұрын
@Cousin Jimmy Farha Why would I be emotionally involved? I just sat down, never even played with this dude which is odd because it is normally a lot of the same people. Now if I would have had some money in the pot I might be more tied to it. I should of called but I only had him making this move with 6 combos of AA, 1 combo of KK, 4 combos AK and maybe the QQ combos but I'm not sure about that. So I didn't, but he showed A♡K♡.
@BradleyT2p2
@BradleyT2p2 3 жыл бұрын
Caller makes a good point about less chip handling. Ever since I got LASIK I see so many shaking hands now....
@Jokerizbadass
@Jokerizbadass 3 жыл бұрын
Most of the time my hands shake in a poker room is because I'm fucking freezing lmao
@BradleyT2p2
@BradleyT2p2 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jokerizbadass Yeah I would usually want a baseline read of what was shown down before acting on it. Can easily be a bluff shake or a cold person shake.
@andrewadami3920
@andrewadami3920 3 жыл бұрын
Or just an, "I'm excited, because I have a lot of adrenaline from holding this monster" shake.
@well.thy.one.
@well.thy.one. 3 жыл бұрын
:/
@RunItTw1ce4858
@RunItTw1ce4858 3 жыл бұрын
How do you fold against someone playing 100% vpip? All the J2s, 42s, 65c, AcXc. Never folding this hand. Probably have to call shove as well because only 3 combos of 22 and 6 combos KJ. Which both are discounted since flop wasn't XR. Factor in the worst 2 pair combos and bluffs with FD, you end up with more worst hand combos than value. Stop giving nitty advice Bart.
@brandondorsey7204
@brandondorsey7204 3 жыл бұрын
This isn't theoretically correct, but I think that I shove. Its far more likely that villain mis-played an ace high flush draw and rivered an ace than he has two pair plus.
@RunItTw1ce4858
@RunItTw1ce4858 3 жыл бұрын
@@brandondorsey7204 I would shove turn, so if he does have a combo draw, only around 25% equity, but would likely still call turn shove. Too many people don't get value because they wanna give villain rope to bluff rather than make a calling mistake or wait for safe river. Just gotta be merged vs fish and learn to make thin bets and thin raises outside of the GTO norm, especially in live games where ranges are so wide!
@RunItTw1ce4858
@RunItTw1ce4858 3 жыл бұрын
@Cousin Jimmy Farha what's your point? You think if they have combo draw or top pair they fold? Clearly the guy liked his hand via XR on the turn. Maybe this time was a 2.5x bluff, but you think they fold a hand like Ac5c here? Fold to aggression on later streets is common for all players. That's how poker is played. Just stating the obvious. You don't continue with 100% of your range on future streets. Not easy to make hands.
@nicks210684
@nicks210684 3 жыл бұрын
100% vpip means loose but it doesn’t mean aggro. I don’t think many passive fish would check raise turn and then bluff with a busted flush draw on this river. That said, even vs a passive fish if he can have all worse two pair combos then yes I think you have to call. And the caller says he’s erratic/button clicking so yeah, never folding.
@RunItTw1ce4858
@RunItTw1ce4858 3 жыл бұрын
@Cousin Jimmy Farha nuts? Club, A, K, Q, T, J, 2, all cards that can change the equity quite a bit, pretty far off from having the board locked up! If villain has 42s j2s J4s etc you are saying if hero 3bets turn villain will fold 2 pair or combo draw? You must play against some pretty nitty fish. Did you look at the pot odds villain is getting given the SPR? Once villain raises to $250, less than a PSB left, so roughly 30% equity needed off top of my head. Also being fish are less aggressive and more passive, they will bet earlier streets with draws but usually shut down and fold once they miss. If hero called the turn and river went check-bet-fold. Hero would of lost a lot of value vs a hand like Ac5c correct? Just simple numbers. You seem really defensive with the name calling. I can tell your inexperience of not being able to discuss hands without being defensive. Have a wonderful day. Do your home work on pot odds and tendencies before you argue something you know nothing about.
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