I thought Eddy's first tip would be to make sure you're not late. 😂

Not even a musician but here I am, listening to a half an hour podcast about surviving in orchestra.

EVERYBODY WAKE UP TWOSET TALKS POSTED (I don’t care what y’all talk abt on here this is my therapy

Me, a vocalist: yes this is very important for me to know

Oh, another really good one: when someone in your section has a solo, DO NOT FINGER ALONG WITH THEM....that is SO annoying! It's like you're a vulture, waiting for them to miss so you can jump right in. Also, don't hold up rehearsal by asking questions of the conductor that your section leader can probably answer....at least ask them first, or let them ask the conductor. And if it's specific to your instrument, ask the conductor during the break, so you don't waste everyone's time.

1. Do not play concertos 2. Show up 15-30 minutes early 3. Do not look at the winds players when they have a solo 4. Bring a pencil and eraser to rehearsal 5. Do not talk behind people's Bachs 6. The inside player always turns the page 7. Practice before the first rehearsal 8. Watch for bow marking and changes 9. Listen, blend in and watch the conductor 10. Don't talk to your deskie too much

So, to sum up: don't be late and have 20 eyes to be able to look at everyone and everything at once

Would love an episode about how you balance your personal/professional lives. With all your touring and practicing, how do you make sure that you’re taking care of yourself and leaving time for your other goals and interests?

Basically, do what will help the orchestra to succeed, including being pleasant to work with. And as much as you don't want to gossip with the other players, do NOT gossip with the pianist. We know EVERYONE. 🙂

Yes, orchestral survival guide part 2 please!

YES...those people who constantly play in every break...and it's always flashy, fast stuff....you never hear them playing something slow and beautiful....no, because they can't show off with that!

Great episode. It was (understandably) a bit string-centric. Would love to see a few more episodes with special guests to discuss issues for woodwinds, brass, percussion, etc.

Would love to hear you each talk about some of your favorite pieces in depth and why they are your favorite.

one of my fav twoset videos was the one where they talked abt their embarrassing stories. i was so into it that i actually thought that lol these guys should make a podcast, i would definitely listen to it. AND DAMN 4 YEARS LATER AND NOW HERE WE ARE

My High School band director would say to us "if you're early, you're on time. If you're on time, you're late." to impress upon us to always show up to class and performances early enough to get ready and sit down.

YOO I WAS LITERALLY THINKING “why did they abandon this podcast :(“ YESTERDAY

Sat near a harpist for many years in a pro orchestra. You may put your extra set of strings in a jacket pocket, but the harpist puts extra strings in that bag on stage, along with Tibet Almond Stick to take care of all the dings and nicks the instrument get when being moved, and a dust cloth because they don't get to clean this instrument at home.

I'm dying inside listening to Eddy talk about his Rachmaninoff 2 story. Oh god

I cant believe that Vio-kelele apology video. Absolute savages

If you get a magnet ring for your pencil you can leave the pencil stuck on your music stand and never forget it. Plus there are magnets that also have a rubber coating. You can stick the pencil to the music stand from below which will make turning the pages easier.

I knew Twoset Talks would be back. Quality over quantity, and I totally approve.

I’m still a terrible page turner (it’s the dry skin), but I actually had to be taught to turn them properly, when I was a graduate viola student. Instead of putting the instrument down and turning with the right hand, continue to support the instrument with only the head and shoulder, and turn with the left hand. My classmate taught me, and 40+ years later, I taught one of his students, who we had just hired. This may not work for the violins, but it’s a regular practice for the violas.

21:57 as a choir singing, I can relate to the blending, we practice that A LOT. And when I was in the audience for the Wiener Filharmoniker and Symfoniker in Musikverein, one of the quality markers for me was that the violins all sounded as one, one gigantically projecting violin, with the cleanest sound I have ever heard

Also an episode on the art of practising in general. How to practise smart, efficient and effective and how you could schedule a practise session, in order for it to be all that. And not countless hours of mindless repetition with no progress. Especially because everyone tells you "to go practise" but no one teaches you, HOW to actually practise, in order to achieve the best possible results, in as little time as possible. Since it is so difficult to master practising and additionally having few guidelines on how to be smart about it, it would be very interesting to hear your thoughts, experiences, knowledge and wisdom on it. Love you guys❤

4:52 random noise and Brett's quick witted response by giving Eddy's flexing time

My biggest tip: Try to start in an amateur orchestra as early as possible. Don't wait until you have to sit in a professional one. A youth orchestra is much more relaxed about these things and you can get the experience without the drama.

If you have several bars of rests before a page turn (maybe even with meter changes), copy them to the top of the next page. That way, you can turn the page early and still safely count up to your next entry without forgetting how many and what kinds of rests you have.

Would love for you guys to talk about your process in coming up with video ideas. Who's idea was violin charades? What's your favorite type of video to produce and why? What goes into putting these awesome videos together for us viewers and what have you learned along the way?

I think exploring about what you should do on your first day, first week and first month in orchestra could be interesting. This could include deductions on the paycheck, preparing for your first concert, concert dress, guest conductors, and performing with choirs and soloists.

Omg my clarinet section needs to hear the “don’t talk behind other people’s backs”. My band didn’t have a bass clarinet so I was assigned to it this year and sucked because it’s a bunch of different technique and they basically ostracized me and refused to even look at me, and I’m the director’s favorite. Lol.

TwoSet talks is like the podcast we have been waiting for years!!!

While the concertmaster serves the a, only tune your a. Wait until the concertmaster sits down to tune your other strings.

14:25 What a great story about Eddie and the kind concert master defending him to the conductor! That would be my worst nightmare though...you think you're safe in the back and then getting dropped up front with the concert master!!!

First activity of the day: putting on Chen&Yang headband. Second: listening to TwoSetTalks. All other things can wait.

Could hardly wait until I could take my daughter to school today. Now I finally have some time to enjoy this podcast. I just love how Brett and Eddy are role models for everyone, not only about classical music and practice, but also being authentic and creating an encouraging, constructive, non-toxic environment. Keep up the good work guys, and also take care of yourself 💜

Twoset are the bear grills of orchestra and classical musician life!

Aaaaaah, finally!! Honestly, I would love for you to talk about your book collection that we can see on your shelf and why its there. Thanks guys!

As someone who has a habit of turning my head towards the speaker in a conversation automatically (Trauma habit), it lays over in my behavior-in-orchestra habits and makes me the stinker who looks at the woodwinds during rehearsal when they have solos-though it doesn’t show through in concerts.

Eddy, that concertmaster was not only kind, but he was a GREAT TEACHER.....he knew you needed to experience to teach you a lesson, and he provided it.

Thank you for not abandoning your podcast channel after the first episode ❤

I worked for a professional orchestra before. You can sit "7th chair" second violins and still be literally 3 feet from the conductor because the seatings were circular position, and right behind us were the oboe, flute, etc. You can't hide.

I don’t Even play in orchestra but I watch it because TwoSet.

If you can survive in orchestra for a short time, you can survive for a long time.

to add to the tip about bringing a pencil/eraser- bring extras. literally the quickest way to make friends if someone forgets theirs and you save their ass lol

"doggy tears" has now entered the musician's vocabulary.

I'm so glad you did not abandon this project!

"Twoset Talks Episode Number 2" I didn't think I'd see the day, oh my god, finally 😭

B&E: practice your part before the 1st rehearsal Me: Hahahaha! 😮 LOL! 1st rehearsal is for practicing sight reading.

Even if youre not in Orchestra and just a musician in orchestra but still want to be professional these tipps are so important and as you can also hear by their story that sometimes you get these lessons a bit late and then have awkward or embarassing moments that could have been averted

You know, a lot of what you say not only applies to Orchestral rehearsals, but also anything that has a group of musicians coming together, like choir... tho I must say, we have the privilege of having our own scores, so a big thing is - remember to bring your scores!

Now I want a link to the concert with the harpist.

On the page turning: I see it increasingly more often that the outside person turns the page because its so much easier for them to reach it since they sit on the side where the page is, that needs to be turned. Its an exception ofc with the concertmaster or section leaders since they still need to lead the orchestra/section.

Honestly, I’d listen to any topic you guys decide to feature! It would be really cool to hear your opinions on music school and youth orchestra, though. I’m in youth orchestra and I’m curious about your experiences. Much love!

"that was super intense" "he send a message" a professional musician played the next phrase of a concerto.. "super intense". But in the movie adaptation : Duel!! Two string players fighting with bows!!

Would love an episode or segment with advice for people learning later in life (20s/30s), people who didn't get to go to music school or get a lot of musical education growing up. Things for them to practice, skill wise. Things for them to study, music theory wise. Things like that. Loved this episode, keep 'em coming 👍

I JS FOUND THE CHANNEL IVE NEVER SUBBED TO A CHANNEL FASTER IN MY LIFE-

Thank you for this video..as someone who lives somewhere where there are almost no youth orchestras, school orchestras or orchestras in general..its really heartwarming to look at you guys describe an orchestral experience…I wish to experience it someday too…also those headbands are soooo cuteee!!

Great that I’m wearing Chen&Yang headband in my Japan trip right now and thank you for uploaded more Twoset talk(the headband freaking cute)

Super duper love love love this new podcast channel! So awesome getting to just listen to the gained wisdom that both of you have had over the years. Very valuable information and lessons. Thank you both, Brett & Eddy. Really appreciate your valuable time and shared knowledge and years of experience. Sending warm hugs filled with love and encouragement. 🫂💕💯🎻🎻🥰🥰

thank you guys so much for this!! i’m studying violin performance for college this fall and although i’ve played in youth orchestras since middle school, i’m so nervous about college orchestra 😭😭 wish me luck

On point 1: I've also seen a situation where a horn player kept flexing with the Strauss till Uilenspiegel horn solo during every break and before rehearsal. Eventually the conductor pointed it out to them, couples with the fact that they're destroying their stamina by constantly doing that. Which would not benefit the quality of the concert to come.

more twoset talks! thanks brett and eddy!

Omg, I'm so happy they didn't give up of this channel!! ❤

I really enjoy listening to both of you just talking in such a relax mood

it`s so interesting to hear your experiences, especially when i`m not involved in all these things so i`m not familiar with how the orchestra works, please talk more🙏🙏

one time in wind ensemble a large amount of the group (but most notably the trumpets) were just talking, talking, talking as the director had been discussing the piece. they were all oblivious to anything he was saying, but he wasn't gonna stop for them. that piece opens with a forte-piano timpani roll for two measures before the rest of the ensemble comes in. so everyone is talking, talking, talking, and i'm just sitting there...mallets ready, grin on my face as i'm watching the director and waiting... my friend over in 1st clarinets knew, she was grinning back at me across the room and trying not to laugh cuz she knew exactly what was gonna happen. so the director kinda glances at the trumpets, looks at me...gives the downbeat... yeah all those ppl talking JUMPED out of their seats when i played. it was great.

I'M SO HAPPY!! And the timing is so perfect because I just finished Episode 1 this morning. Then I was like, "ohh it's been two months. I wonder when Twoset will upload a new episode 😢" . Then here we are!! You guys read my mind 😭

Loved it. It's a rare insight into professional orchestras... and funnily enough... in our community orchestra it's so similar! I always get SO annoyed with the two girls that NEVER bring a pencil.

I would love to hear more "nerding out about music"-type discussions. It's always fun to hear people talk about what they're most passionate about and what they're currently discovering!

89 days without Twoset talks new ep, UNTIL TODAY, FINALLY GUYS

This had me giggling and remembering my first symphonic orchestra rehearsals in school where the brass would play and the strings would really want to turn around and look back at us! LOL bless.

I’d like to hear about how you prepare for a lesson. I don’t mean practice that week; that’s obvious. What I mean is, in like the hour or so before your lesson what are you doing? Do you do a basic warm up? Go over the pieces? Make a list of problem areas? How do you prepare to get the most out of the lesson time?

FREE THERAPY ILY guys so much!!, You have inspired me so much and I’m so happy you made a new channel where you guys talk and teach!!🤩🤩🤩

tbh this is so calming

Yes please to more orchestra episodes!

Hurray!! I really hope there gonna be more orchestra-talks! Btw, about the last one, don't you ever talk ON STAGE because literally everyone can see that, even if you are in winds section(and maybe hear too if there are some mics around) ☠☠☠

I'm an amateur violinist and choral singer - nowhere near professional, I just play for fun. But I was nodding along when you talked about blending with other sections. I taught myself, almost by accident, to listen to the other sections while playing in a community string orchestra as a teenager. I found that skill applicable to choir as well, and I'm always baffled when other people can't do it, or don't think to do it. You're playing in a group, you should be listening to that group!

I love Rachmaninov 2 but now I can't listen to the 4th movement without imagining Eddy struggeling at the front desk.

Thank you for sharing all those inside stories.

I feel so fortunate I only discovered this channel in episode 2 so I didn't need to do the agonising 3 month wait the others had to do. But welp, 3 more months for me to wait now...

Recommended TSV video: 'Everybody Hates the Violin :'( ' - TSV's orchestra musician friends about what violinists should not do in orchestra. (Some of their advices are quoted in this TS Talks vid.)

2B pencil is also preferred because it's a softer lead, and therefore easier to erase. Worst thing is trying to erase something and scrubbing a hole through the score because it won't come off

Yes we can hear the drill 😂

I'd like another episode! I just like hearing y'all talk.

The conductor talked about me behind my back during rehearsal, and I was like, "is It about me?" And he nodded, so I told him "so turn around and talk looking at me" I ended up leaving the orchestra and he sent his "pets" to talk to me and ask If I would come back because he had some unrefusable offer... Of course I said no.

I’m not a musician and I still find your tips fascinating! 😂

It’s amazing to me watching this how different a professional orchestra is from a more casual, unofficial high school orchestra (where I am)😅😂

Warwick got my back! Gotta love that.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately, but it’s difficult to put it into words. I’d love to hear more stories about your experiences. And not just yours, but the personal stories of other musicians as well. To hear these behind the scenes stories, somehow makes me understand the music better. I’m not a musician, but as a dancer I have worked with a lot of (middle eastern) musicians. Knowing these people and the difficulties they are facing, made me better understand what is going on onstage during a middle eastern concert. Until I discovered your channel I always saw a symphony orchestra as a body of anonymous persons just doing their job. That changed. I went to listen to some symphonies lately and it is much more relatable to me now. Your little stories in many videos made me understand better the people who play the music. And that makes the music more enjoyable to me. I don’t know if this makes sense to you.

Lovely detail and specifics! I was waiting for the tip about not having B.O.! Haha!

I would like another orchestra one this was great 🙏

Loved this one too! It's always fun to hear some new anecdotes from your orchestra days (or more details about anecdotes we already knew about). I've not played in orchestra much, but as an amateur choir singer, a lot of this is really relatable!

14:58 sightreading rach2- that was me last week 😅😅

I know that the inside person turns pages for violins, presumably because that allows the person who is the higher chair to continue playing, but logistically it doesn't make sense...it's easier for the outside person to do it because they're closer to the page that needs to be turned.

I have some: stop playing when the conductor cuts everyone off....don't be those people who just keep going on and on. One for woodwind players is, be aware of the tuning tendencies of the other instruments you're playing with, particularly the other woodwinds, so you can adjust intonation on specific notes that you know are problematic. And when you have a duet passage with another player, like bass clarinet and bassoon in the grandfather music in Nutcracker, make sure you balance, because the dynamic marking is ff, but the bass clarinet can play much louder, so the bass will have to come down a little so we hear both instruments' colors in that passage.

Anyone who has ever been a trade apprentice, in any craft, would know exactly what you are talking about. I have been the "bright young thing" put in my place by the old tradesman many times

Love these podcasts ! It would be interesting to have the same format but with tips for music university ! how to prepare for the audition, how to organise your schedule between classes and practicing but still having a life on the side (lol), etc.

This is great, and I hope there will be many more in this series! You two never disappoint!!

I love these types of videos, please make more!!!

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