“Our ears should speak for itself” -Brett 2020

Plot twist: composers copied Star Wars as Star Wars is based, “a long time ago in a galaxy far far away”

Stravinsky: "A good composer doesn't imitate, he steals" John Williams: "My man, I'm so glad we are on the same page here. And by the same page I literally mean the same page of your Rites of Spring. You are being very helpful indeed, mate, cheers." Stravinsky: "Hey..."

11:41 this is actually correct, directors will often find outside music as a placeholder before their composer writes original music. The problem is sometimes the directors start falling in love with the original piece forcing the composer to strike a balance between something original and sticking to the placeholder 🥶

Star Wars took the "CLONE Wars" way too literally.

“A good composer does not imitate; he steals.” ― Igor Stravinsky

The look of disbelief on my students' faces when I showed them the star wars/holst connections... always delights me no end.

You know you're a classical musician when you say things like "That Augmented 4th is so obvious"

regular person: (hears holst) is that star wars? brett and eddy: (hears star wars) is that holst?

“We’re gonna get copystriked by the copiers” Palpatine: Ironic.

One that wasn’t included is the similarity between hedwigs theme from Harry Potter and Tchaikovsky’s Swan Lake. The comparison is pretty uncanny.

Some years ago when I was helping teach music at a homeschool co-op, I wanted to introduce the kids to classical music. I knew I could get the attention of the older kids if I played Mars. As soon as they heard it they sat up and started commenting how it sounded just like Star Wars music. From then on they were open to listening to more classics. :)

Alternate title: Brett and Eddy dragging John Williams for 13 minutes and 17 seconds

"You don't mess with Tchaikovsky." That's right, because you get the cannons otherwise.

John Williams was an orchestrator initially. He knows his way around 20th century Music.

As a star wars fan, and a musician, I don't know how to feel about this video.

For Star Wars, George Lucas wanted Holst’s Planets as music for the movie.

I played the cd of Holst for some elementary school kids and they said “That’s Star Wars!”

It fascinating because Korngold's version doesn't leave the same impression with me as the John Williams. I see the similarities, but the effects of the changes are so drastically, dramatically different that it's hard to compare them in a "copying" or "stealing" sense - kinda of like not ruling a plunger a deadly weapon because a murder was committed with one. Now, Baby Shark is definitely Just Can't Get Enough by Depeche Mode.

Has anyone mentioned the “similarity” between the love music (flight scene)in Superman and one of the Enigma Variations.

They look like they just got filled in with the latest gossip like "No, he didn't. He DID???? OMG"

Stravinsky’s music in 1913: controversial and scandalous Stravinsky’s music in 1977: fit for a mainstream space film

The Dune Sea of Tatooine could also be inspired by Saturn, Bringer of Old Age.

John Williams was deliberately referencing Korngold and early Hollywood in general. And referencing Holst's "The Planets" couldn't be more on point. In a sense, the original Star Wars score has a lot of satire or parody, but done so earnestly the parody isn't noticed. The point was to take the late-19th-century symphonic sound into space. Also it's worth considering the Doctrine of Affect. There really is nothing more heroic and majestic than a leaping perfect 5th in the brass section.

To be fair though, many directors tell the composers: hey man have you heard of *insert piece* by *insert composer*? I want it just like that!

“We’re going to be copystriked by copiers”

Thanks for pointing those relations out. After listening to some pieces of "The Planets" I realized even more references. The "Braveheart" melody or the "Hobbit" melody (Howard Shore) share some similarities (like in the 4th piece of the suite which is Jupiter. I imagine this and many other pieces inspire the Film music composers. Modest Mussorgski's pieces (like Die Nacht auf dem kahlen Berge) are Programmmusik and deliver many Leitmotifs to pictures, places, stories and so on. Wow "The Kings row" even contains main motives for John William's Superman melody...

I would hope some of these classical composers would be flattered that their music has been given new life in movies and other media.

Watching Brett and eddy sometimes feels like I’m third wheeling on a date

They sound like detectives that just cracked a case. "It's stravinsky!" "Of course!!"

Love your Chanel ! In fact for me and a number of friends these movie composers where a good way to discover romantic and classical music. If think we should at least thank them to open a new gate for kids to that culture. Thank you for your work!

12:42 - " R2, we need to go up, not down!'

You already know Starwars and The Planets are gonna be on this video.

TwoSetViolin: we’re gonna get copyrighted by the copiers. George Lucas: How the turntables

Regarding Rachmaninov, loving Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and Wagner previously, my husband introduced me to Rachmaninov, and it was not an instant love, but now, Rachmaninov is just soo wonderful 😍

Alfred Schnittke’s last movement of his “In memoriam” sounds so similar to the William’s Planet krypton theme from Superman. The film has the theme played on a trumpet, and Schnittke uses an organ, but it’s so similar to me, at least the main figure. Schnittke takes it immediately to a much darker and more complex place.

Stravinsky said “A great composer doesn’t borrow, he steals”

Film Music: "Can i copy your homework?" Classical Music: "Sure. Just don't make it too obvious."

I appreciate what you are saying and your comments are insightful rather than blatant. A lot of film composers self-borrow, such as Malcolm Arnold using the same theme for at least three films, and even Andre Previn reusing part of 'Two for the Seesaw' in 'The Fortune Cookie.' But have you heard Leighton Lucas' score for 'Ice Cold in Alex'? It's a good score but one main theme is frighteningly like 'Star Wars' (but he did write this after 'Kings Row,' although before 'Star Wars.'

I love how excited they get finding the similarities between each pieces

A lot of movie edits are put together before the score is written using a temp soundtrack of existing works. Sometimes the director gets very attached to a certain sound and wants it recreated. So, a lot of Williams' "copying" comes from the demands of the director that the score recreate the temp track.

"We're gonna get copystriked by the copiers!" -Eddy 2020 Life is so ironic. Please support these two insanely talented musicians.

Lucas told Williams to do it. The thing is, Williams can actually write classical/romantic/modernistic symphonic pieces no matter if he uses stuff from other composers or not... which is not the case with modern hollywood composers who may steal ideas, but can't put together compositions on the level of classical masters.

I'm actually playing King's Row in band this semester! It was a suggestion from one of the other students. Have to say, it was REAL difficult to get down because all I heard was Star Wars.

My first theory teacher prefaced our end of the semester composition project with, “Anything you write has already been written before”.

One could argue that both Holst and John Williams copied the “Mars motif” from the first movement of Mahler 2

This can be referred to as "derivative work bias." It is the tendency to undervalue or dismiss creative works that are based on or inspired by existing works, instead of recognizing them as original and valid creations in their own right. It can be a result of a belief that true creativity must be completely original and untainted by outside influences, or a lack of appreciation for the nuances and complexities of the creative process.

I had to add, that that Korngold part was just so beautiful and sweet...sigh...made me shed a tear it really moved me.

This is the musical equivalent of "Who wore it better?"

To be fair, Gladiator using the motif from Holst's Mars was deliberate. The main character was a Roman General and Mars is the Roman god of war.

Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor shows up in a lot of places: movie Pirates of the Carribean - Kraken's theme tv show Naruto - Orochimaru theme band Nightwish - also copied for like 8 bars in their song "greatest show on earth" I've listened to very little classical music in my life but I started seeing it everywhere once I did

In defense of Hans Zimmer, his music was for a "war" so he purposefully referenced Holtz "Mars." I loved that he used "Mars" there. Creatively done!!

Fun fact: directors sometimes put classical music over a scene before the actual music is finished and they sometimes end up wanting something similar to the classical piece. I believe that’s the case with that piece that was similar to the rite of spring.

Me: The chord Eddy with perfect pitch: The augmented fourth Me: Yeah that's what I said

another one that i kind of noticed myself was how similar Hedwigs theme in Harry Potter sounds sooo similar to Swan Lake Op. 20 i always get the two confused because it sounds similar

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I don’t see anyone talking about this, but Williams actually got permission from the Korngold estate to write his opening theme so expressly similar

People: classical music is old and boring Me: diD yOu kNoW

This is one of my favorite twoset episodes. I love the reactions to the similarities they point out. That's great!

I love the editing on this video!

“We’re gonna get copystriked by the copiers” - Eddy 2020

InTrEsTiNg is officially reborn

When eddy mentioned how two composers can think of the same thing, it was weird because I’ve actually done that on accident. I was writing a thing for class, and don’t really study music, so I was just kinda doin random notes with a cool vibe, and accidentally made the staccato flute solo that repeats a couple times throughout the second/third movements of Dvorak’s New World Symphony. (If you know the one, **you know the one**)

I actually discovered this today because I was working on Holst with my music therapy client and I stood there with my mind blown because it sounded just like Star wars. This made my whole week man 🤯🧠. The rhythmic ostinato in the Mars theme is the same as the star wars theme

John Williams: hey can i copy your homework Korngold: yeah, just don't make it look obvious John Williams: Star Wars main theme

Composers copying music: **F it, he's dead.**

You guys are awesome! I loved your video!

Thank you and I appreciate your involvement and expertise in classical music.

The irony of Stravinsky accusing someone of copying him... “A good composer does not imitate; he steals", to quote the master himself. Could become topic of a future video?

Brett's skin looks extra glowy today and I'm living for it.

9:05 Brett accidentally let us hear his unfiltered lovely singing voice

I'm pretty sure that John Williams expressed his inspiration from Holst... and got permission from his estate 😐

Suggestion: Classical composers who copied from each other.

For the defense of Star Wars, Lucas meant to use straight up classical music as soundtrack (as it was common back then in Hollywood iirc), Williams just adjusted it to the plot and filled up the gaps. Similar to Mars and Gladiator, Mars as the Roman God for War is basically perfect as a soundtrack for a battle. Should have mentioned them in the credit sections tho xd

Wow! I thought I knew my music …… u guys blew me away and put me in child’s seat on this one! I’m now a sub ……👍🏻🤘🏻 keep digging bros! 🫡 greetings from Hollywood Ca 😎🎷

I, as of 7 years old seeing the first Star Wars movie, in cinema, at Cine Capri in Phoenix AZ...My mom,dad, sister and I....mentioned how similar the music sounded....Huge Classical music aficionados! Ever since....I hear the inspirations from the classical to the modern! Brilliant video!

no one is talking abt eddy's friend copying his assignment n eddy needs to redo it???? ok im sorry

Filmmakers: *listens to classical music* Filmmakers: Filmmakers: ... Filmmakers: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN

An inTerEstinG piece from Star Wars is the track March of the Resistance in Force Awakens OST and its similarity to Mahler's 9th Symphony, 3rd movement Rondo-Burleske. Williams' "inspiration" on the subject from Mahler's fugatto is uncanny. And another interesting bit is the finale from Ravel's Left hand piano concerto, the last chords of this one-movement piece are reminiscent of Williams' use of brass in his compositions for Star Wars.

I always thought that“Jaws” also rips “the harbingers of spring” as does the theme from “Psycho” and by extension, “Eleanor Rigby”. There’s also touch of Holst’s “Jupiter” to the start of “Star Wars”. My grandmother knew Holst when she was a child in Thaxted, in the UK BTW

Eddy's friend still owes him that dinner...

George Lucas wrote Star Wars whilst listening to a bunch of classical music - notably Holst's The Planets and The Sorcerer's Apprentice - He presented Williams the different music that inspired him in hopes to help Williams catch on to the vibe that Lucas wanted.

John Williams' original scores look like ransom notes with sections of other people's sheet music taped together.

At least the Jaws and Dvorak are actually quite distinct, as is the love theme and Tchaikovsky. What it really shows is just how many forms copying can take, and all the different ways you can change something a lot or not very much to make it incredibly iconic and particular to its new context. Some of these are so tenuous, some are really on the nose, but they're all examples of transforming and elevating through copying

is anyone just going to ignore how sad that eddy had to redo his assignment at 3:20

This clears up some things about Star Wars: George Lucas originally intended to score the film exclusively to classical music and even shot scenes specifically with classical pieces in mind (like the trench run scene to Holst's music). Lucas wanted to revitalize orchestral film scoring which had become out of favor by the 70s where pop music and synthesizers were common. So we have Star Wars to thank for having orchestral film scores today. George Lucas was _very hesitant_ to stray from that plan and it took his friend Steven Spielberg to convince him otherwise and to use John Williams (who he had worked with on Jaws). And even after hiring Williams, Lucas wouldn't let him stray much from the classical music he had chosen. (Don't look down on Lucas though, he had great intentions.) That's why a ton of A New Hope sounds like classical music. Empire Strikes Back was scored exclusively based on John Williams' own ideas and that film really showcases John Williams' more modern style. It really shows you how genius John Williams is that he can create such different scores from his own style that still sound incredible. 5:59 "The Dune Sea of Tatooine" queue is scored extremely similarly to the Rite of Spring and the Empire in A New Hope uses almost exclusively Holst references. Note that the Imperial March didn't exist in A New Hope at all. That was created by Williams on his own for Empire Strikes back and the other films. 2:17 is an example of Williams inserting his own motifs (this one is the "Rebel fanfare", also heard at 4:41) within George Lucas' strict guidelines. Within film scoring, it's common practice for a director to already have music put to film in the form of "temp tracks." But the directors often view them as far from temporary. So often film composers are forced to take old music and recreate it.

1:50 their smiles dropping is so good lmao

Williams bringing music history and appreciation to a theater near you... his most original composition is the cantina band... but maybe he borrowed that too...

Clone Wars: Yoda: Remember, what do you see? Ahsoka: I see... Rachmaninoff

I have the 'Original Star Wars Soundtrack' and I was wondering why the name "Korngold" was on the cover. Turns out his son George Korngold produced the recording, which was borrowed from a composition by his father, Erich Wolfgang Korngold. So it wasn't a secret for people working in the music/soundtrack industry back then.

The beautiful thing about music is that a good musician knows how to be inspired and “copy” elements of other music. You can’t invent the wheel, but you can build great stuff off what you like

The film, “The Right Stuff” actually used G. Holst “Planets” (Mars) for specific action sequences. It fit the film very well , before then going to original pieces. == Korngold excerpts were used in many BBC TV programs.

So if you check out "the soundtrack show" podcast with David W Collins he explains why they're so similar. Lucas used classical music that he wanted Williams to emulate when showing Williams the reels. So Williams abided by that. If you like film soundtracks I HIGHLY recommend the soundtrack show. It's frickin awesome.

I wonder if there is gonna be a film music in the future inspired by Brett‘s epic Lofi

5:15 i thought it sounded like Tchaikovsky ( because of the harp and also the strings kinda give me swan lake vibes) but I don’t think the violin concerto was the inspiration

There is a famous music from Matrix : Rob Dougan - clubbed to death the original is from Edward Elgar - Enigma (Andante), 1899

0:52 "Isn't Star Wars about a lot of planets as well?" Well yes, but minus one. Looking at you, Alderaan.

The slogan for this video: “iNtErEsTiNg”!!!

One of the main melodies in James Horner's "The Secret Wedding" in Braveheart is definitely similar to the melodic passage of in the middle of Holst's Jupiter....

The Last Jedi was riddled with copies. From Holst to Respighi..