Once again can't believe what the shaft Co. says. Shouldn't Red launch higher?

Those simulators are not accurate. Ego boosters for sure.

What is your swing speed ?

I'm around that swing speed too and looking to buy the Sim Max. Did you try the blue or black Ventus? If so, what were the differences that made you choose the red one?

I tested the blue Ventus and found the red gave me a slightly higher trajectory in flight,which is what I was looking for.Hope this helps

Which version? 6s?

@@ulrichprince9668 which flex and weight ?

Rick I’m 44 just got the blue 5S, & it’s absolutely worth the money!- was hitting a hazardous smoke Now time to do the 3wood & hybrid $$!

Was about to say the exact same thing 🙌

Viking Driver what’s your swing speed, sir?

@viking driver Swing speed?

interesting idea Ryan, definitely possible!

How did you determine 2.5" short was needed? Even short people can play standard length clubs. Quick example. Let's say your longest club your driver, is 46" standard. So you're saying you need a 43.5" driver. So if you can hit a 43.5" driver just fine, how do you all of a sudden struggle hitting a standard 37" 7 iron which is 7 inches shorter than the driver your hitting ok? To further the analogy. Let's say your standard 4 iron is 39.5" long so that would make your "fitted" 4 iron 37". How is it that you couldn't hit a standard 37" 7 iron but now you can magically hit a 37" 4 iron? Hopefully that makes sense. Not trying to come across mean just showing that length of shaft isn't likely going to make an improvement. I think your best bet is use lie angle to dial in flight and if you really want a shorter club don't go shorter than -1" so swingweight and club balance isn't affected as severely.

Kourtney you are wrong completely. I play one in shorter in woods and .5 shorter in all irons also 3 flat. Better control and distance with better location of strike. Plain truth is that club now are being manufactured and marketed for distance. That is why you see a steady increase in club length in woods and irons over the past 12-15 years. Average length of a drive on pga tour is 44.5. Average length on lpga is 43.25.

@@danmatthews5364 you completely missed the point. So let's say a standard 6 iron is 37.5" long, if you play yours .5" short your 6 iron is now 37", which is the exact same length as a standard 7 iron. So you're gonna try and tell me you are incapable of hitting a 37" 7 iron but now you can all of a sudden hit an identical length 37" 6 iron?? If the clubs are the same length, and length is the problem, how can you not hit the 7 iron the exact same as the 6?

​@@kourt2469 Your point is quite flawed. I think most golfers would agree that they have a harder time controlling strike as the length of club increases. Take a standard length player, and give them clubs that are an inch longer, do you still think your point stands just because the standard length player's 7 iron is now the same length as their usual 5 iron? It's not a matter of CurdBros and Dan Matthews being incapable of hitting a 37" 7 iron. It's a case of them not being able to control strike to the same level that a player who is genuinely the right height to be playing standard length clubs can. Plus if you put them in standard length, they'd likely need their irons to be bent even flatter than they already are, which brings its own issues into play. Golf isn't a one size fits all game. This is literally the whole point of custom fitting.

@@frogginbullfish8777 not flawed at all. And no not all golfers benefit from shorter clubs. A shorter club doesn't mean an easier club to hit solid. I have fit plenty of players who are short and actually hit longer clubs better than shorter clubs. And yes if you give a player a club that's the same length as a club they already hit well, they will also hit that club well. Obviously at extreme lengths it gets more difficult. But an extremely short club would also be difficult to hit.

next fall im going to go to a fitter and see what ventus i can put in my 3 wood. i have black 7s in driver.

@@tylerfj24 what did you decide?

@@BuffaloBarber24 didn't see much of a diff to seitch

Ditto. X flex is not for us mortals.

i'm sure we'll hit it again at some point

I love both channels. Can we all agree that the truth behind what shafts actually do is somewhere in the middle of what the two sides are saying? I’m a club fitter and there’s plenty of people it makes no difference for but clearly there are golfers out there getting benefits as well

likely yes, the red was probably a bit on the soft side at that speed

@@clubchampionmedia thank you.👍

Aloha Client- i have ST 190 driver head , and i want to try the Ventus blue 60S which flex do you have ? Mahalos- Bubba!

Bubba Cee “X” 💪🏼

@@clintsanderson6019 -Very nice!! I do have "X" flex on Tensie shaft - but i dont have the swing like i used to be:) so i was gonna try the 60S:)

What weight ?

Why was the blue not for you?

Jon-Michael Sherman I actually have Ventus blue and Hzrdus smoke. The smoke performs better for me but they are both very nice shaft

Thomas Riley one of the things to consider when de- lofting is that you are also reducing bounce. Effectively making said forgiving head a little less so.