Measuring w/cm in concrete with the Phoenix!

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Tyler Ley

Tyler Ley

Жыл бұрын

The water to cement ratio (w/cm) has widely been known as the most important parameter in concrete and there has been no established procedure to measure it. This video provides a practical tool called the Phoenix that can be used in either the lab or the field to measure the w/cm in 15 minutes. The tool can also be used to measure the moisture content of aggregates. This video introduces the Phoenix, explains the procedure, and shows the value of the method.
You can learn more about the Phoenix at www.concretephoenix.com and at www.globalgilson.com.
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This video was editited by Branson Evans.

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@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
I posted a video where I answered many of your questions about the Phoenix. You can find it here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7p2nZVj1NjZYas.html
@frankhogan1224
@frankhogan1224 Ай бұрын
Great speaking with you and Jake today. Looking forward to the next one! Shari9ng this video as I write this!
@JohnnyKarate44
@JohnnyKarate44 Жыл бұрын
I love every time I see a new vid! Keep it up Professor Ley!!
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Thanks Johnny. More coming!!!
@drcornelius8275
@drcornelius8275 Жыл бұрын
We used to use a microwave to cook down concrete samples for this testing during main line paving. Is that not an acceptable test method for w/c ratio any longer?
@BracaPhoto
@BracaPhoto Жыл бұрын
I was thinking what is he gonna do? Microwave it? 🤣👍
@BracaPhoto
@BracaPhoto Жыл бұрын
I notice it's "crickets" in here - i was kinda hoping for an explanation why microwaving is a far inferior method - we shall see 👍👍 Either way i love this guy's inventions - this ain't the first 👍
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
@@BracaPhoto I am making another video to talk about the most frequently asked questions about the Phoenix. I will cover the microwave oven in that video. This biggest challenge is the sample size is too small and it takes too long to remove the water.
@arlindervishaj
@arlindervishaj Жыл бұрын
Amazing channel and very informative content for any level of expertise!
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching!
@effectprojectekb
@effectprojectekb Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your exciting videos!
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@sasankasekhar9735
@sasankasekhar9735 Жыл бұрын
Very Nice presentation sir.....
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mccarthy091588
@mccarthy091588 9 ай бұрын
Tyler, is the Pheonix capable of differentiating between the water in the mix versus things like liquid color or liquid admixtures? I assume this can be done by entering the specific gravities of these colors and/or admixtures?
@khalidsalah8482
@khalidsalah8482 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much professor, it's very useful video
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Thank you Khalid!!! I appreciate you watching and commenting.
@1HighVoltage1
@1HighVoltage1 Жыл бұрын
Cool stuff!
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@nickbarrio6272
@nickbarrio6272 Жыл бұрын
awesome video as always tyler. question pertaining to natural pozzolans: because of their high water demand, what is batched as a 0.45 mixture with say 25% class n may perform like a much lower w/cm mixture after mixing. i venture to say there is an “effective w/cm” that is different than that of what was originally batched. would the phoenix test capture something like this?
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Nick - This is a good question. You could take this into account in the calculation of the app. You would just need to add the pozzolan as a fine aggregate and put an absorption content in the program. I have heard people talk about pozzolans absorbing water but I have not seen a lot of data that has quantifying how accurate this is and quantifying how much this is for different products. Take care!
@adamr1637
@adamr1637 Жыл бұрын
This is a great idea!
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Thanks Adam!
@user-cc1tv9yv4o
@user-cc1tv9yv4o 11 ай бұрын
Hi tyler, i saw few moths ago a video of you explainig about a material used as an addmixture called buarin or somthing like that, can you please send a link
@bergsten2561
@bergsten2561 Жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 Жыл бұрын
I’d luv to see your view on the concrete at the SpaceX Boca Chica launch pad
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I think that is a good idea.
@GRUBB-MUDD
@GRUBB-MUDD 8 ай бұрын
How can i get ahold of u like a dm?
@zbigniewmalczy8851
@zbigniewmalczy8851 Жыл бұрын
Isnt it better to check if water content is right with a microwave probe inside the concrete mixer? Even thou you can place aditional probe on the conveyor belt. To measure water content inside the aggregat.
@tomtankyou1282
@tomtankyou1282 Жыл бұрын
Tyler, would you please do a video on this dry pour fad I keep seeing in my feed. It seems like a bad idea but I don't have any technical understanding to justify why I think its a bad idea.
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
I will look into it! Why are people saying it is better?
@michaelpettit1263
@michaelpettit1263 Жыл бұрын
This seems to be a water to stuff measuring system by using a very expensive, very fast, hot oven. Since the actual mix vs the batch ticket depends on the variability over time of the batching hardware (whether at plant or inside of a volumetric mixer), what has been the measured variability of these things across manufacturers and operators? It seems that if an operator can achieve a given measured calibration with minimum variation over time (of all the bits going in), the benefit of this device is to allow the operator to tweak a batch calibration for the actual water content of the aggregates coming from given piles on given days. With barrel mixers I definitely appreciate the value of this device to catch sloppy operators before it gets expensive for everybody.
@highlorddarkstar
@highlorddarkstar Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if the oven is “very” expensive. It looks like a pizza oven? I don’t think that’s too costly, particularly compared to what bad concrete might cost you?
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
I think you have a good read on the technology. The producers that are most interested have focused on making consistent concrete or finding an actual measurement of the water content versus what they think. This can also be tested in the field, at a lab, or at a plant.
@ZergZfTw
@ZergZfTw Жыл бұрын
How would plastic fibers affect the Phoenix?
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
They are not a problem. Plastic fibers are used at pretty low weight percentages. Like 0.1%. This is 4lbs/cy. Even if you double this it is only 0.2% of the weight. They burn off in the test but they don't really change the results.
@jakesstuff1
@jakesstuff1 Жыл бұрын
What ASTM does this fall under? Thank you.
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
None yet. Minnesota DOT has a test method. I will be at ASTM in June to talk to them about the Phoenix.
@PaulyDownUnder
@PaulyDownUnder Жыл бұрын
A newbie question, if the concrete has a slightly higher water content, wont it evaporate off as the concrete dries, but allow it to be well hydrated for good strength? Previous videos have shown its good to keep the concrete hydrated (watered often) during curing...
@n00b1n8R
@n00b1n8R Жыл бұрын
Water applied to the surface is more about preventing evaporation than getting water into the concrete. High quantities of bleed water (what you're describing as excess water leaving the fresh concrete) will cause issues. Wetting freshly poured concrete is about maintaining the intended w/c ratio, not increasing it.
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Water that is added AND MIXED IN while the concrete is still a liquid will change the cement grain spacing and make it weaker and easier for outside chemicals to penetrate. Water just added to the surface after a concrete is placed will keep the water from evaporting and causing cracking. One key is the amount of water being added and how much it is mixed in.
@PaulyDownUnder
@PaulyDownUnder Жыл бұрын
@@n00b1n8R Thanks for clarifying!
@PaulyDownUnder
@PaulyDownUnder Жыл бұрын
@@TylerLey Thanks professor Ley, your reply is gratefully appreciated!
@Sonex1542
@Sonex1542 Жыл бұрын
What about altitude. Doesnt that affect the time it takes for the water to evaporate?
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Good question! The 15 minutes is based on a place close to sea level. As you go to higher altitudes the test should take less time. The full test method has you take the sample out and weigh it and then put it back in for 2 min and then weigh again to make sure all the water is gone.
@Georgewilliamherbert
@Georgewilliamherbert Жыл бұрын
This is really useful …
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
I am glad you like it!
@BarreraRomeroIngenieros
@BarreraRomeroIngenieros Жыл бұрын
Hi professor, Yeah I think this is a game changer, but I assume I couldn't bought for my University's lab but just for testing the idea, how much heat does the oven should have? If you could reffer to a paper I'll apreciate, grettings from Bolivia
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
There are papers listed in the second Phoenix video. Take care!!!
@BarreraRomeroIngenieros
@BarreraRomeroIngenieros Жыл бұрын
@@TylerLey yeap thanks Professor
@Dmanish54
@Dmanish54 Жыл бұрын
Only water and only cement has nothing to do with strength but it deals with consistency. For strength the cement paste should be good that's why gel space ratio is more important than w/c ratio but it has some drawbacks . It can prove more better results if some studies will be done on countering the drawbacks.
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Manish - I was talking about gel space ratio in a simplified manner with the first couple of illustrations. Thanks for the comment.
@MsDJ619
@MsDJ619 Жыл бұрын
Hello Professor 👋
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
HI!!! Thanks for watching.
@williammorton8555
@williammorton8555 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Any connection to ASHTRICH LLC or Super Air Meter LLC?
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
No connections.
@williammorton8555
@williammorton8555 Жыл бұрын
@@TylerLey Sorry for asking, but I hope you will be understanding . I do enjoy your videos. Any chance of you doing a video admitting the Roman got it right 2000 years ago with their interesting mix?
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
@@williammorton8555 Thanks! I am not sure they did get it right. I have some videos about roman concrete. I think it is called something about how to win a bar fight.
@MissJami
@MissJami Жыл бұрын
I will be part of the Phoenix.
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@josephp4031
@josephp4031 Жыл бұрын
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much
@BiPolarBear722
@BiPolarBear722 Жыл бұрын
Can I rent one these machines from home depot?
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Not yet!
@BracaPhoto
@BracaPhoto Жыл бұрын
What it needs to demonstrate is correlation between Phoenix numbers and Strength - 👍 Then there's value
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
There is a lot of correlation between w/cm and strength for a given set of materials. I can talk more about that in some upcoming videos.
@RichardKinch
@RichardKinch Жыл бұрын
Did you also test the diagnostic power by deliberately making faulty batches and seeing if the measurement properly reports the a priori facts? And do this double-blind to prove no bias? If you only tested commercial batches with correct formulations, then you're not really conclusive about rates of both Type 1 and Type 2 errors. But any valid metrology is a worthwhile advance in engineered quality.
@shanet.hanson8250
@shanet.hanson8250 Жыл бұрын
It's arse about. If you measure your dry cement mix and then your water - all by weight - prior to mixing, it saves all the hassles - after mixing.
@TylerLey
@TylerLey Жыл бұрын
Shane, In practice this is much easier said then done. I have lots of field data to show that lots of water gets added to concrete. Watch for a part 2 video where I talk about this more. It only takes about 20 L (5g) to change the w/cm in your concrete mix.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. Жыл бұрын
Here’s a good video in case you’re a total concrete noob like me: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qL2GdN2EmsrZcac.html It will probably help you understand this (Tylor’s) video better.
@ndenise3460
@ndenise3460 Жыл бұрын
Last year with an oat of -5c and overnight of -10 the contractors poured by 1600, the next morning they stripped by 0800. It was green and steaming, they backfilled 2days later without a floor system. A big part of our problem is code/building inspectors(paid for by builders/government) not doing a proper job. I actually was told by the head of building inspection services, " it is not my job to babysit contractors" wrong that is your job. I had to go to new building insurors where they threatened to avoid the insurance before they wou!d stop(until caught the next time)
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