I agree. People forget that he was a damned fine boxer. It's kind of like some people forget that a young Barry Bonds was a GREAT hitter, so that when he got some age and mass, and equipment advanced a little that he was going to have lots of Home Runs. He'd have had a ton without PED. They remember Tyson for KOs and Bonds as a basher, but they were both very technically-skilled savants early in their careers.

Yep, absolutely 100℅ agree.

Absolutely. 85-88 a well trained and motivated Tyson was awesome. People forget the work ethic he had to take care of his body, to working on footwork, to sparring regularly to watching/studying film. Tyson on top of being built like a tank was also a master of the fundamentals. He himself forgot that the pre fight things are what allowed him to dominate the ring and sadly he stopped being a boxer (bobbing and slipping punches, using combos etc.) and became a one hit head hunter.

His boxing IQ was underrated too.

I wonder what if Tyson never takes drug and remains what he was in D'Amato & Rooney era. does his prime gonna last longer?

When he hit Michael Jack Johnson (I didn't see it on this video), after he put him down with a Liver shot, he hit him with an evil right hand that damn near took his head off. Ol buddy had a tight afro bc it barely shook, but I'm sure everyone is the front row got a greasy shower! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oK2JfNqQxtS4coE.html at 0:21

that nigga said "woah." Read his lips.

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Lol, also an apt description of my major life decisions

Depends on the money

Lay down or more punishment

Lennox Lewis and holyfield say naw

EnslavedByGreed it’s all about the money. One beating for millions.

This.

S.A dempsey was Tyson’s favorite fighter he fought just like hit him like dempsey uppercut

Agreed

S.A they have it on you tube

Agreed, I have the Dempsey, Joe Lewis and Joe Frazier books on boxing.

Good point! Never thought of that.

Amother thing always pissed me off was how people would say that Tyson fought bums, or he fought guys out of there primes. If were gonna constantly bring that up when discussing his legacy then lets bring up the fact that he was 5'11" and 215lbs compared to most heavyweights in his era that are 6'3" and 230lbs with reaches up to 10 inches longer. He was great. All these haters need to get over it.

Justin 1515 Dempsey and Marciano fought at around 190.

Justin 1515 bro he fought Larry Holmes when Larry was 38 and Tyson was 21 and Holmes had just came out of retirement, Tyson lost to anyone who wasn’t afraid of him, teddy atlas (his former trainer) said it

Lorne Green He lost after he stopped rehearsing D’Amato’s strategies that took him to the top. Don King put amateurs in his corner, and generic trainers who caused his skills to deteriorate because they didn’t know the D’Amato plan that wouldn’t work without lots of practice. From 1990 on, he went in and “winged it”, and you can see the difference.

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Absolutely!

What Holyfield figured out was if you get all up in mikes face and push him back on his heels, he can't get those big leaping combinations off.

Few other fighters used his style. Floyde Patterson for one

@@Orange6921 that's exactly right!

Tyson was great but its silly to call him the GOAT. He never beat a great fighter in their prime. What Holyfield figured out was if you get all up in mikes face and push him back on his heels, he can't get these big leaping combinations off.

@East West Holyfield was old and washed up too. Not half as fast and had lost all of his lateral quickness by the time he fought Tyson, and was coming off a terrible KO loss to Bowe. Its a wash. The result of the fight had more to do with Holyfield backing Tyson up from the opening bell and never letting Tyson get room or leverage to get his combinations off. Tyson had to be on his toes lunging forward with his punches to do damage, Holyfield had him on his back heels and against the ropes the entire fight. He knew how Tyson fought and took away his power and leverage. If you are a Tyson fan boy, you aren't going to admit to any of this and are just going to argue Tyson was old, when the fact is Holyfield was much older and had way more miles on him from savage ring wars.

@East West Prime Tyson never beat a great fighter in his prime. you give him far too much credit that he never earned in the ring. I also think its really silly when people say Evander was a juice head. The guy has been retired for years and is well into his 50's and looks just as buffed as he did 35 years ago. Steriod users shrink massively when they get older and grow massive heads when they are in their primes. None of those things ever applied to Evander. And if you just watch his size progression throughout his entire career it just doesn't pass the smell test of the riod accusations. I grew up in the riod era of the 1980's and 1990's. Holyfied never fit any of the signs of roid users. Besides, Tyson was 3 inches shorter and outweigh Evander his entire career. Funny how Evander was the only one accused of roids.

The truth is Evander was in Tysons shadow most of his career and watched him very closley and figured out how to fight him. Much like Antoino Tarver did to Roy Jones back when Roy was still close to his prime. Every fighter has an opponent that figures them out and has their number. Evander was just that for Tyson. And he was not intimidated by Tyson, and most guys were intimidated and lost to Tyson before the bell ever rang. Evander knew this and was not intimidated, and bullied the bully. bullies crumble when you turn the tables on them. And Tyson was very one dimensional when you crowd him/back him on his heels and take away his ability to throw those leaping combinations. Most fighters backed away from Tyson and ran from him, making it easy for him to get off those leaping dynamite combinations he had. No one ever stood their ground and backed him up until Holyfield did. If you lean on him and push him back, he can't get leverage.

@East West Holyfieds head was actually small for a heavyweight. That is something they actually measure in boxing. And there is a massive difference between steriod bulk and having very little body fat. Again just go back and look at Evenders cruiserweightt fights, he was ALWAYS ripped and still is even today at nearly 60 years old.\ The fact is the 2 best referees in the sport worked both Tysons fights, were in the ring and 5 feet from both fighters and never ONCE accursed Evender of an intentional head butt. I watched both fights dozens of times and never once saw an intentional head butt. I did see several accident head butt were both men lead with the head. Both guys lead with their head and came in low. Head clashes are very common in boxing, and Tyson was one of the dirtiest fighters I have ever seen. Its totally hilarious seeing people cry that he was fouled. Its a crybaby fantasy excuse. Bullies turn into crybabies when people turn the tables on them.

Back in the day, some of us appreciated the defensive skills that Tyson acquired through training with Cus D'Amoto and Kevin Rooney. As well as how Tyson later seemed to forget all about such skills after D'Amoto died and after Tyson fired Rooney. (The Buster Douglas fight, anybody?)

@@bruceching4078 there is no question that with the death of D'Amato and then firing Rooney Tyson went downhill fast. Had D'Amato stayed alive and Rooney stayed his trainer I believe Tyson would have gone down as the greatest boxer that ever lived. But I'm also assuming he wouldn't have gone to prison for three years. Actually let's just add one more piece to the equation and say Robin Givens never entered his life. Giving all those circumstances I believe Tyson would have gone undefeated.

This is the smartest comment I've seen on KZfaq in quite some time. It should have more thumbs to up.

@@Jayc9582 and that wasn't all that happened mr. Tyson. Contrary to having his face plastered all over the media repeatedly his private life was kept pretty private. I was amazed when they were able to keep the death of his daughter off the TV and out of the papers for as long as they did as well as they did. And let's not forget good old Don King and all the vultures that circled around him like a rotting carcass in the Sun. Mike Tyson is a human tragedy. He was the Achilles of the age, Without all the good luck.

Jay C somebody better always comes along

@Maafa 1619 Holyfield was a fucking cruiserweight back than. Dont talk shit.

Maafa 1619 who was headbutting

Maafa 1619 that time Holyfield was not even a fking heavyweight, he was nothing absolutely nothing against Mike. Mike would have crushed him really really bad.

Appreciate that! I've run across your videos every so often and I always find them helpful and entertaining.

Small world! Thank you, sir!

My thoughts exactly

It was a great style for boxing. In full contact it leaves you vulnerable to simply be pushed back. Then your in trouble

The Modern Martial Artist breakdown Cus Demato!!

@@loungejay8555 lol calm down it ain't that serious

Face* not mouth

@@bluehornet197 No, it's mouth, look it up

@@bluehornet197 its mouth

Exactly, agreed all plans out the window.

Bruh, that head jerked to his fist harder than I can to myself

And he's making a comeback!

Speed as well

marc dubois it was natural Holyfield had perfect technique but still didn’t have 1 punch ko power

marc dubois it was natural Holyfield had perfect technique but still didn’t have 1 punch ko power

What Holyfield figured out was if you get all up in mikes face and push him back on his heels, he can't get these big leaping combinations off.

Pacquiao is a master of everything in boxing. his strategy and tactics are unique.plus his stamina,speed and combination, thats why he is the greatest of all time

lmao you can't be serious

+TheString It's not entertaining, but it wins fights.

W W pac clearly outlanded floyd what made floyd the winner is its floyd's home advantage and judges were payed

There's no such thing as home advantage in boxing lol. I'm a huge pac fan but the way I see it Floyd won the fight. I don't like it but that's the way it is. He just showed pac that boxing is not about KOs

Earnie shavers, Foreman and Sonny Liston hit harder than Mike. It was Tysons speed and body/head movement combined with his power that made him special

@@godfather53; I was just thinking of Ernie Shavers 😹 Sadly, as powerful as he was, he never won a World Title

That’s what happens when you punch that hard he got easily gassed

@Snowwy wilder fought nobody’s shavers fought champs like Ali and Norton and Holmes. That’s why fury beat the living shit out of wilder🤣you wilder fanboys know nothing bout boxing I stg

@@jrizo8849 right now is a complete shitshow for heavyweight boxing. Tyson fury wouldn't be able to stand up against the previous heavyweight champions imo. It's really sad to see how the current lack of talent has made people think Tsyon was overhyped

What Holyfield figured out was if you get all up in mikes face and push him back on his heels, he can't get these big leaping combinations off.

@@Orange6921 Holyfield figured out how to take steroids.

@@Orange6921 this is not true. Watch the fight vs Reggie gross, Trevor berbeck and razor rudduck fight. They all fought back and it never needed well

@@Narration___Nation Right, most fighters were not remotely intimidated by Mike Tyson. That's totally legit.

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Yo thx lmao i seen fighters imitate ali's style in kick boxing, always wanted to see a kick boxer using a peek a boo style

Cool I'll check that guy out 👍

Really... It's just a thing of beauty

Yeah, I never get tired watching it

Most of his fights were staged and sweet pea beat him. Boxing is and will always be corrupted.

IwantAgoodCleanFight I thought it was Dempsey. But he probably had alot of favs lol

Holyfield was near his peak? The fight was made in an effort to capitalize on a Holyfield that was "washed up" after being stopped by Big Daddy Bowe. It backfired and Tyson ducked Lewis in the process. Tyson better than 64-67 Ali? Liston was stronger and a better boxer and he couldnt do it. It took fighters like Frazier and Norton to bother Ali. Frazier was a different animal from Tyson too don't bother comparing them. More heart and endurance. Tyson would've ANNIHILATED Marciano. You're ass backwards. Mike's best weapon was fear: Holyfield and Lewis never feared him. Ali wouldn't have either. Lennox Lewis is the only man I have beating Muhammad Ali in his prime. Larry Holmes in his prime would've also outclassed Tyson.

Nobody would annihilate Marciano. He's the alpha version of the two handed power hitter, Tyson is the beta version. Tyson had a slight edge in power but rocky made up for that by having the heart of a lion. Finally in the months following Tysons release you could see he had no interest in fighting or partying. He just wanted a normal life and family. ....least he made it.

@@chrissuponcic5181 if Marciano stuck around for Sonny Liston, we would've saw some magic. And if Tyson had no interest in fighting, he shouldn't have. And yes, Tyson would've destroyed him. Marciano was the size of a modern LH/Cruiser. All the heart in the world can't save you from an animalistic and precise onslaught. Joe Frazier could've gotten the job done too.

@@TheCharlesJackson why did Tyson fight again? He was informed his ass was going right back to prison if he didn't immediately start paying the millions in back taxes he owed. King told Tyson don't worry about a thing in prison well handle your estate. Another lie to make sure Tyson came back to king and continued to fight for king. As for him beating marciano.....well never know. All we can do is look at facts and stats. Tyson was heavier and faster. Tyson mated perfectly against conventional boxers because he fought out of a crouch like Dempsey. Conventional boxers defense works by circling to the left. Essentially backing up, slipping or moving away from the opponents jab to disrupt their timing. This means circling into their power hand which smothers the punches power. The shorter the punch off the back heel the less knockout power it carries. Tyson was built to fight bigger conventional styler boxers. His loses to holyfield illustrate what happens when Tyson is forced to "fight in a phone booth". In close quarters against someone his height Tyson loses his 2 knockout punches. The leaping left upper / hooker cut and uppercut. Those two punches rely on your opponent being taller than you. It's how holyfield avoided Tysons power. Take them away he becomes a rounded fighter throwing only hooks. Round punches are easily ducked by experienced fighters. Marciano was a wild puncher which is extremely effective against the peek a boo style. The style works off slipping the jab and moving forward, forward being the important part. Marciano didn't throw jabs, he closed the gap and threw power to the body and head. Unlike Tyson who's power came from angles of attack Marcianos was strictly arm power and momentum. Once he got you to back up the head body combinations don't stop until you clinch or go down. That's why marciano knocked out 88 % of the men he fought. He was an unorthodox brawler with power, stamina, unbelievable chin and more heart / resilience than his opponents. Tysons my favorite boxer but Marcianos style is a bad match for him. It would turn out very similar to his fights with holyfield. That's why marciano retired 49 and 0 with 43 knockouts, it's unprecedented. Now put Tyson against Ali and he knocks him out in 1 to 3 rounds. Styles make fights and Ali's style is what the peek a boo was designed for. All that said well never know but it's fun to speculate

@@chrissuponcic5181 Thats a solid analysis you've got there actually. Still, Marciano came along at the perfect time. I would've loved to see him in the 70s or 90s. Hold on specify the end part of your comment? Who knocks out who in 1 to 3 rounds? If you're saying Tyson sleeps Ali using the peek-a-boo style, Floyd Patterson didn't do it. Frazier didn't knock Ali out either. If fighters like Quick Tillis could take Mike the distance, no doubt Ali would make it. No fear, elite speed, elite defense, etc. Liston and Foreman couldn't knock Ali out. Ali's chin and body would be more than enough to take any shot Tyson had to throw too. Styles do in fact make fights. Also, Holyfield was an unprecedented warrior. He always had TYSON'S number and would've schooled him in 91 when it was supposed to happen originally. Marciano lacks the size to properly put away guys like Tyson, Real Deal, Big Daddy, and Lennox. A late 60s Ali would've beaten Marciano on points over 15 rounds too. Speculation is always fun. What I really wanted to see was Bowe and Lewis. Tyson and Frazier. Louis and Ali. Rocky and Liston. Ali and Real Deal. Just absolute dream matches we'll never get and it's tragic.

The Modern Martial Artist can you do roy jones jr 😊

The Modern Martial Artist Jack Johnson would be a good one.

Yes, I agree on the view you have of Tyson. He has a 50/50 weight spread stance, with a rolling side to side torso defense. He used oblique punching to cross the center, adding as you said Dempsey method punches. Dempsey would use front stance with 70 to 80 lead leg step/10 to 30 rear leg, to improve on power Dempsey would use both what Tyson does and arch in the spin on straights(or jabs) very slight between shoulders to make whip in his punches massed with drop step( just looked you covered it in another video).

Duran's infighting is going to take a lot of time. Are you sure you wouldn't just mind learning particle physics instead?

Hi I was wondering if you could do a video or give me advice on how to effectively do a fast high round house kick. And, fast low round house kicks. I have trouble stretching my leg up high and have a hard time doing it fast with the round house. My boxing game is good and so is my grappling but I can't kick that well.

thought first round KO record was Shannon briggs. guess that just for heavyweight division

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The bull Mc cabe not even tp 10 heavyweights of all time lol

I'd make an argument for Tyson being in a top 10 heavyweights of all time at the latter end of the list, definitely not in a top ten boxers of all time.

Nathan Mabie list them

1. Muhammad Ali - Obvious pick, too influential to not choose as #1. 2. Rocky Marciano 3. George Foreman 4. Joe Frazier 5. Joe Louis 6. Jack Dempsey 7. Larry Holmes 8. Evander Holyfield 9. Mike Tyson 10. Wladimir Klitchko

Nathan Mabie sorry but i would put riddick bowe before tyson. He had more weapons, better career (although both failed to live up to their potential), better skilled (could fight on the inside and from a distance). Hell id even put morrison ahead of tyson purely based on his career being more successful. The best person tyson beat was razor ruddock.

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Pugglen what is his website?

Martin Gilliard modernmartialartist.com check the desc.

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Yes!

The WaterBearer90 what...

Well to a certain extent they're not wrong. If you're talking about power that is above and beyond what a regular person can do with training, then the trainers are correct. You have to have the build and the right type of muscle to get above that. But you don't need to hit as hard as Tyson in his prime to win. The vast majority of power comes from technique - it's only when you start talking about outliers like Tyson that nature comes into the picture. Anybody can use the same techniques as Tyson (if they actually put the time in to master them like he did) and hit hard. But they are almost certainly not going to hit as hard as Tyson.

truly a great quote

Sir Esquire you took the mouth right out of my words😁