UAD LA2A Plugin Vs Warm Audio WA2A Opto Compressor

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The battle of Analog Vs Digital continues with Compression, this time comparing HOW the Universal Audio LA2A digital plugin compares to the Warm Audio WA2A analog compressor. Analog VS Digital PART 2/3.
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0:00 Intro
0:18 Analog Vs Digital
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2:08 Acoustic Guitar
4:45 Bass Guitar
8:10 Vocals
10:15 Analysis
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@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Watch my Analog Vs Digital Preamp Comparison Video here, featuring the UAD Neve 1073 Unison Emulation and the Warm Audio WA73 Analogue Preamp: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qpqKZtlyrpmchWg.html

@henrikpetersson3463 7 ай бұрын

Your result here is much different than what I got when testing. The plugin sounds weak in this video, but in my testing it was very hard to tell them apart when they weren't distorting.

@Joelfrancis 10 ай бұрын

I just bought my first WA-2A but I’m excited to got in my studio and test it. Thank you for the video

@EdThorne 10 ай бұрын

Enjoy!

@DodgaOfficial 3 ай бұрын

I use the plugins because it will be a long time til ill be able to afford the real ones, the plugins have substantially improved my mixes and I love the way they sound.

@CreativeUj 3 жыл бұрын

You are doing great work man Really appreciated

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙂🙏

@cjwhaley444 3 жыл бұрын

Great stuff man!

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching 🙂🙏

@flipnap2112 2 жыл бұрын

can someone explain the empty socket in this thing. I read its so we can select our own tube for the black optical. I have no idea what that means. so is it something you need to buy in order for this to even work? thanks yall

@skreim 3 жыл бұрын

Great comparison! THX

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching 🙂

@Brutuscomedy 9 ай бұрын

Further sold me on the hardware Thank you!

@EdThorne 9 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

@alfanan 3 жыл бұрын

I see that someone has got themselves a new toy - WA76 :-) A review of that beautiful device maybe soon? Great work, as always Ed. Your videos production quality is clearly getting better. Keep up the wonderful work!

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Thank You Hashim. I’ve done a few features with this device but I have a WA Bus-Comp to Townhouse Bus Compressor plugin planned soon.

@yaadiiboy9429 Жыл бұрын

any one compared the warm audio wa 2a to the audio scape Opto comp? trying to decide which one I should get

@bontempo1271 Жыл бұрын

omg, the low end disapears on the plugin. But what you said about the plugin being more sensitive to low end, could it be that hardware is slow at handling low end ? Is the plugin actually compressing (so reducing) the low end ? So would the results be similar if it had a high pass sidechain filter ? Or is the hardware still compressing the low end and, and still has that hefty full bodied low end ?

@TERUMI7 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! I'm considering of that purchase a analog compressor. To be honest I also want LA2A. but I can not afford that.. WARM AUDIO compressor has natural sound and warm this video helped me that I choose compressor gear

@ashleydines144 2 ай бұрын

Try the klark tecnoc la2a. I bought it for vocal tracking and honestly it is sooo much better than the waves plugin I had. I adds a certain breath that the pliggin doesn't. Also really nice tracking in real time with analog. It's like a guitarist standing in front of an amp compared to using a pluggin

@bigdoghat3827 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Ed, are you using the legacy version of the UA LA-2A or the version 2 one? And if you used the version 2 one, which one of the three choices that UA offers in version 2? Thanks!

@EdThorne 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Sharon, this is the full beans LA2A (not the legacy version) and the main grey face version (not silver or other).

@amardevsharma 3 жыл бұрын

Great comparison. I couldn´t hear too much of a difference but for the most part agree with your findings. That is also cos I don´t have the best monitors.... so, kinda off topic, but how do the KH120s compare to the a7x´s? I´m thinking about a pair of a7x cos they go lower than the Neumanns, are they professional/flat enough? A lot of people talk about the hole in the mids that they have... any advice? Thanks!

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Amar Dev Sharma Thanks Amar. I really need to do a full comparison on my speakers. The problem is I have the older A7s, not the A7Xs so people would complain. Briefly, I mix on my Neumanns because with Sonarworks they’re lovely sounding and flat. And I reference with the Adams because the Beryllium tweeters are brilliant, super clear and the stereo imaging is fantastic. I can’t stand them, however, under 1kHz and they have a plasticky sound around 80-125Hz.

@amardevsharma 3 жыл бұрын

@@EdThorne Thanks for the insight Ed! My only concern with the Neumanns is the low-end extension. Do you use them with a sub? I already have some 5-inch monitors (decade-old Tannoy Reveals) and I am considering the Adams for the extra low end, they go down to 42hz I think. Neumanns to around 54hz if I am not mistaken, my current ones specify 64hz I believe, I can hear lower than that from them but I am not sure I can trust much of the low-end info coming out of them.... Dilemma! :D I found this video as I have just ordered a Klark Teknik 76KT and was curious to see comparisons of digital vs analog. Great vid, great channel, I´m about to sub!

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Amar Dev Sharma Thanks for the sub Amar. Yeh, the Neumanns aren’t the lowest speaking but I don’t feel any more sub in the Adams tbh. I always intended on getting a sub to go with the Neumanns but haven’t got round to it yet. Let me know how you get in with the KT76 🙂

@prodbyguttaskum 3 жыл бұрын

The warm audio had a much warmer, full tone. Even with the gain increase the plugin just sound kind of lonely and not really pushed up and present. The hardware ads a “life” to the track the plugin fails to.

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

I think the UAD plugin captures the sonic texture of the original on the output gain, but the analog definitely has a more 3d sound.

@kensmechanicalaffair 2 жыл бұрын

Thats what i thought.

@EmmoKhan 2 жыл бұрын

Hi. My Vocals sound a bit distordet and harsh in the upper mid frequencies. Can you please show your preamp settings ? I have a 2a and a preamp from GAP. My Preamp settings are: Gain : 40-45 Output:1-2: Comp Settings: Gain 3-4 Peak Reduction 3-5. Gain reduction: 3-6 db.

@EdThorne 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Emmo, Those look like decent compressor settings. 40-45dB is a lot of gain if you;re using a condenser mic, you may be overdriving the preamp. Most condenser mics (in my experience) need between 25-35dB gain. If you're using an SM7b, 40-45dB is a good amount of gain. The distortion could be a SPL problem caused by singing too close to the mic and overloading the capsule. If it's a mic like the Rhode NT-1 - the capsule doesn't work well with high SPLs and can sound brittle anyway.

@EmmoKhan 2 жыл бұрын

@@EdThorne thxxx

@PaulThird 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as always Ed 👌 I think the clarity, body and warmth of the analogue wins out every day of the week. The warm audio cleans up the vocal whilst still adding in harmonics so it mantains it's richness. The UAD sounds muddy and lacks clarity in comparison. Only thing I will say is that I'm finding modern analogue emulations are focusing a lot more on that general cleanup and clarity that hardware gives. V76U73 & bettermaker eq being prime examples of that. However these just came out where the UAD la2a is over a decade old so I'd maybe try shooting out newer emulations if possible. The new brainworx, lindell and Acustica vs hardware would be the shootouts everybody is screaming for. However, getting your hands on an SSL 9000J, Neve console, bettermaker, u73b, chandler etc is gonna set fire to your back balance 🤣 so I understand its pretty limiting for you. I was trying to think of budget analogue gear and possibly API would be a good shout for you as acustica has the pink which everyone's been going daft for. Many use CAPI hardware which is like the warm audio of API. I think probably only the past 2-3 years digital has really started to bridge the gap where beyond that plugins were plugins. Only advice I could think of in terms of what videos I'd love to do 👍

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Thank Paul, some good suggestions there. Personally, I don't see the fuss about Acoustica, I dislike the look and GUI. I much prefer the Brainworx stuff :-)

@PaulThird 3 жыл бұрын

@@EdThorne I was sceptical but after a lot of my shootouts it's pretty clear that AA plugs have that clarity that many lack. There's a lot of options as well but it's a bit of a learning curve. I don't always use the channel strips, sometimes I just use the eq's and comps which have much more manageable GUI's. It's hit and miss in terms of what you'll use but when you do find those plugs that work for you nothing can match. I think if you have acustica & plugin alliance then you are pretty much sorted for analogue emulations. Might be cool to buy a vintage comp if you can get a good deal and do a modern and vintage hardware shootout?

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

@@PaulThird Yeh, that's a good idea. There's a place near me in London that hires old LA2As I think...

@PaulThird 3 жыл бұрын

@@EdThorne that vid would definitely get a lot of interest

@chevaliermusic 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely like the plug-in more. Used them in real world on track music.

@RickCarr 2 жыл бұрын

Damn I need to get some hardware

@derekdfarrington11 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Ed! Both sound really good, but I’ve got to say I preferred the Warm unit. Both have good “sound”, but the analog stuff just sounds more three dimensional and less sterile (to me). Especially on bass, the UAD sounded good, but a little lifeless. Keep up the analog vs digital comparisons, they are great!

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Derek Farrington Hi Derek, thanks for the kind words. Yes, I agree with your assessments there. Three dimensional is the right description 🙂

@honkytonk2010 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of getting hardware but to me there wasn’t much of a difference between them I’am sticking with UA pluckin preamp especially the API For my preamp and plus you have more room on your desk.. less hassle of equipment cluttering up your work area..just saying and Thank you so much for sharing your awesome! Video

@TonyTana9905 2 жыл бұрын

Felt the same way until I bought my first piece of analog gear lol. Imo a mid level analog vocal chain beats out the most expensive digital vocal chain. Hardware just handles audio signals in a better way

@arthurwilliams3479 Жыл бұрын

@@TonyTana9905 I have both and use the UAD way more often because of how much easier it is to just select a plugin and how much of a pain it is to hook everything up on analog gear each time.

@AlexeySolovievMusic 3 жыл бұрын

I really love digital vs analog comparison videos! Great job as always my friend!

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Alexey Soloviev Music Thanks buddy. Are there any comparisons you want to see?

@AlexeySolovievMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Ed Thorne virtual amp vs analog :) for rock guitars

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Alexey Soloviev Music Ah you’re definitely best going to a guitarists channel for that - I am not the guy for guitar sims (Although I am doing a video soon on UAD amp sims - with a guitarist) 🤣

@JamEZmusic86 3 жыл бұрын

@@EdThorne do you do cheap vs expensive comparisons? You ever gonna compare the ArtTubeMP to a high end pre-amp? Im so interested in what people would make of that!?

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

JamEZmusic Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll look into it 🙂

@joelrudnick 2 жыл бұрын

When are you doing the wa76 comparison?

@EdThorne 2 жыл бұрын

Good question. I have no idea. I’m slammed for live shows at the moment so KZfaq is getting down when I can but slowly.

@HoobtheNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting on the bass guitar - The WA seems to mask a lot of the unpleasant DI like qualities of the pick noise and give a rich and encompassing low end that would sit consistently and powerfully under a mix. The plugin leaves a lot to be desired. And It's true in isolation the difference is not massive - but put those elements in a mix and I guarantee using the plugin - the tracks will smoosh together and you won't be able to get the richness, and separation you are looking for between instruments. Really sounds great I'll definitely think about picking up a WA-2a I'm looking for a really great vocal compressor that doesn't brighten things up in an unpleasant way. Great review thanks!

@flimtrick 3 жыл бұрын

One thing is maybe a bit misleading in this video is that UAD has actually three different plugin versions of the LA-2A and silver one used here is the fastest and brightest one. You can see and hear warm audio is much slower and darker in tone. Maybe using the gray version which is a bit slower and darker would have been more closer comparison. Anyway, i think UAD are the best plugins out there and i love them but have to say i like the warm audio much more. It´s better in every way, it sounds fuller, fatter and eh, warmer :)

@NealNagaoka 2 жыл бұрын

I agree the UAD grey is better for individual tracks. I use the Silver for overall stereo mix.

@kyrylozaplotynskyi Жыл бұрын

When you compare on bass - it's better to compare with UAD LA-2A or Uad LA-Grey, it works better on bass. To my opinion Silver not the best UAD LA edition for low instruments. Another moment: when you change settings and find the best setting on plugin - it's better to play all this track, to better understand. When you play guitar you find setting very cliose to analog sound, but it was only a few sec(

@juiceygangfreetypebeats7425 3 жыл бұрын

I listened to this from a smart phone on ath-m40x. And even in such conditions I can clearly hear the difference in the operation of these compressors on the phrase: "Shine a little lite on the world". The analog compressor is really very soft and barely noticeable reduces the dynamic range, introducing a certain magic and groove, at this point it is especially obvious to me.

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting thoughts, thanks for commenting 🙂

@JoshuaLauerMusician 3 жыл бұрын

I notice different amounts of gain reduction on the hardware compared to the plugin. On the bass, the plugin has almost twice as much gain reduction as the hardware, so then because of that it sounds quieter and more thin. Rather than matching the knobs, at least match the gain reduction on the meters. The entire comparison is somewhat invalid because of this.

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Not really, because that’s literally the entire the point of the video - to assess how they compare/respond at the same settings...

@JoshuaLauerMusician 3 жыл бұрын

@@EdThorne Well okay I guess I don't agree with the whole point of the video then. I would be much more interested in how they sound when having the same impact on the sound. 3dB of gain is way different than 7. How often would you look at a screenshot of knobs when using the equipment to copy someone else's settings? I hope never. I would set my GR for about 3dB. I get that there's this attitude that matching the knobs would show how close things are, but we should really match the effect of the processor as close as possible to see the differences. Who cares where the knobs are? I care how it impacts the sound.

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaLauerMusician I get what you’re saying. This would also make for an interesting comparison. As the Warm Audio unit is designed as a clone of a Neve, I assumed they’d have measured the behavioural characteristics of a Neve to create a unit that theoretically behaves in a similar fashion. Obviously the UAD is a close reproduction too so I figured they’d react in a similar fashion, but apparently not. The primary point of the video though is of course to discuss which sounds better in general.

@JoshuaLauerMusician 3 жыл бұрын

@@EdThorne I think the Warm sounds better, but find myself wondering if it’s because of differences in GR. Also as some others pointed out, the Warm is much louder than the plug-in, which might also cause us to favor it.

@BroccoFranzese 2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaLauerMusician hahahaha analog beats digital end of story bruh!!!

@PurpleMusicProductions 2 жыл бұрын

Not really a fan of warm audio however it sounded better than the UAD. Analog will almost always add something that digital just cannot match. I'm still learning but based upon what I witnessed and experienced setups need at least a few pieces of outboard gear in their setup. Yes you pay more but you achieve the sound for a lot less work and maybe cheaper in the long run because plugins are not cheap especially UADs.

@finngrassietranscriptions5000 2 жыл бұрын

Just out of interest, what is it about the warm audio stuff that makes you not a fan of them?

@PurpleMusicProductions 2 жыл бұрын

@@finngrassietranscriptions5000 no problem it's because their sound from the products I have heard did not impress me that much and where much of their parts are assembled. This is further evidence in their resale value in comparison to better made items.

@finngrassietranscriptions5000 2 жыл бұрын

@@PurpleMusicProductions interesting. what aspects of the sound of which WA made you not very impressed? Just asking because I am in the process of seeking out some outboard gear (namely, a preamp with EQ and a compressor primarily used for vocals and bass guitar). Cheers

@PurpleMusicProductions 2 жыл бұрын

@@finngrassietranscriptions5000 Now of course preferences and tastes will vary from one person to the next. I have a specific sound and vibe that I like however your mileage may vary. I did not like WAs saturation and compression in comparison to the UAD and BAE hardware versions. I could hear the differences in the environment that I heard them. Now if you are seriously concerned about costs then they may work for you but keep in mind that resale is not going to be good if you decide to upgrade and in some instances they are not much less than some of the higher end offerings ESPECIALLY if you go on the used market which I highly recommend. If you are looking for a NICE piece of gear to meet the criteria you mentioned then check out the UAD MK610 II as it is a phenomenal world class preamp with an opto compressor which is great on just about everything you feed through it. You can find those for around $1200 to $1500 used and $1800 new. That one piece would take care of your pre and compressor needs and if you decide to sell it which would be weird you would get most of your money back. Put it this way that's the pre and compressor sound and features that others are chasing plugin and hardware alike. Another great pre to seek on the used market is the BAE 1073. I grabbed mine for $700 instead of the $1200 to $1500 price tag. Trust me you want that pre in your rack. Deals on great gear CAN be had IF you have patience and search different sites and will bring you far more satisfaction than a plugin. Hybrid is the future but the more outboard the better. Get the best one or two pres and compressors you can afford and you can go budget on everything else aside from audio interface.

@PurpleMusicProductions 2 жыл бұрын

Oh and cheers by the way

@haggoe 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, to me the difference increases substantially the more gain reduction you apply. To me, the plugin just falls under pressure compared to the hardware version when you really crank them. After years of experience working with digital plugins I think all of them sound very, for lack of a better word, "digital"; and I guess the difference can be likened to that of digital vs analog synths. In summary: A really well made plugin can beat a lot of low-end hardware stuff. But in the end, they're playing in different leagues, and you just can't beat the real thing :) This might be a buy for me, but I'll check out your review on the WA76 first. Cheers!

@arthurwilliams3479 Жыл бұрын

Does it sound different? sure, better? not really. You just have to dial it in differently. That "warmth" you hear is just tube saturation, which you need to add with a tube preamp plugin. If you do a recording straight DI in without it of course the plugin will sound colder. its supposed to. would you prefer they add that warmth to all recordings by default on the plugin? its a compressor, not a tube preamp. And by the way, you need a UA Apollo interface for UAD plugins to sound right with stock settings. On other interfaces the levels and settings will not be matched with the real thing. You will need to dial them in to make up for the offset. Test it for yourself and see.

@SkeadFerdinandMusic 3 жыл бұрын

I preferer the Warm Audio sound. The UAD is not as warm and full sounding and I can still hear that digital sound . Thanks for the vids Ed. Love it!

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching 🙂

@dragon_666 Жыл бұрын

I Would still prefer the digital LA-2A over any other copycat, in Conclusion WA-2A is 2D and LA-2A is in 3D I don't know what other way to describe. it's almost like the WA-2A makes the signal dull and the LA-2A makes it feel like you're in the room that its being played in just mho

@riktascale4 3 жыл бұрын

The vocals and bass really showed up how warm and thick the hardware vs the plugin is. I prefer the hardware once again.

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Yeh the WA2a, LA2A style compressor is great on bass and vocals. It really thickens the sound.

@Middlestepofficial 2 жыл бұрын

Digital plugins are good until some pushing is required. When you beat up a compressor plugin, it distorts in a different way than a hardware, a rather unpleasant one if you will. The coloring effect we're all after is only achievable by hardware, especially when we're pushing the audio towards higher levels.

@kensmechanicalaffair 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135 8 ай бұрын

yup no cap

@jf542 3 жыл бұрын

this is beyond dramatic difference unfortunately. warm audio sounds like what i want to hear

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

j f It’s a fuller sound isn’t it.

@2010georgian1 2 жыл бұрын

Analog forever...

@pegtownmanproductions9106 10 күн бұрын

The WA definitely has more body in all examples.

@EdThorne 9 күн бұрын

Analog always has more depth in my experience.

@pegtownmanproductions9106 8 күн бұрын

I agree. I’ve added a few analog pieces to my set up over the last year and a half and it’s changed the game. Not only does it sound better to me, I get the sound I want much faster. I use the UA stuff but really considering the WA now.

@bk8biokiller8 3 жыл бұрын

Lol the analog is louder not the best way to a-b

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Check the master output, they’re the same level.

@taxmoneyyy 3 жыл бұрын

Makes no sense making these comparisons without blindfolding people. It is high time we recognised in 2021 that people are biased towards the hardware options & more generally the most expensive option. Your ears will always tag along your bias. Blindfolded comparisons usually yield the most surprising of results

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Lucky I filmed this in 2020 then 😜

@taxmoneyyy 3 жыл бұрын

@@EdThorne haha indeed! Thanks for your videos, outstanding quality as always. Cheers

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

@@taxmoneyyy Thank you, I hope they’re helpful 😊🙏

@EdThorne Жыл бұрын

@@Petolooo Check the release date on the video Mr Thumbs Down 😉

@KosmoDeuz 2 жыл бұрын

Levels is not the same !

@EdThorne 2 жыл бұрын

You’ll find the level are identical PRE compression! How the compressors react/reduce the signal differently IS the point of the video. As a result the levels AFTER may vary.

@ryanshotton1972 2 жыл бұрын

@@EdThorne it just makes it more difficult for us viewers to hear the actual differences when the output gains are nowhere near each other. I trust your commentary but there's no doubt that this is not the best shootout simply because of the "louder is better" effect. Still nice to hear the wa2a though. Thanks for that!

@EdThorne 2 жыл бұрын

@@HIGHHOPES The point of the video is to compare how they react AT THE SAME SETTINGS…

@m1dc4t 2 жыл бұрын

analog is better , changed my mind

@EdThorne 2 жыл бұрын

I agree - so I can't 😜 Although they both have their uses. Anolog in and out, and mixing in the box for me.

@Smashachu Жыл бұрын

idk what it is with us gingers, but we all have huge forheads. feels bad man

@EdThorne Жыл бұрын

Haha. It’s true isn’t it.

@RobertCorrington 3 жыл бұрын

Why on god’s Earth would you compare two units of anything (in this case a piece of hardware and digital hardware emulation) and use the same settings? This like comparing two guitar amps with all of the dials set to 12 o’clock and then saying, “Well, amp A is a little brighter than amp B.” Okay fine. But that doesn’t mean anything. Every guitar player I know adjusts those dials to get the sound they like. Just because a comparison scenario can easily be made doesn’t mean it should be made. You’re supposed to be mixing with your ears, not your eyes and certainly not the values on some knobs. For each unit (compressor, EQ, etc.), you’ll likely use different settings on different instruments on different songs in order to create a desired effect. The million-dollar question is, can you get the desired effect (or something better) with each unit? Settings values don’t matter. The impact on the sound does. Please adjust the dials (just like you would on a real track) to get the best sound you can. Then make some judgements about 1) did you get the sound you wanted, 2) was the effort to get that sound quick and easy, 3) if you didn’t get the sound you wanted, what else might you do (e.g., add a little bottom end using an EQ), 4) does the unit offer enough options so that it can be used in many circumstances (e.g., on drums, vocals, buses, etc.) or is it a one trick pony? I look forward to your next comparison video.

@EdThorne 3 жыл бұрын

Robert Corrington Hi Robert, thanks for your comment. You make some good points. The same settings was to demonstrate HOW the devices behave differently. If you watched all the way through video you’ll have seen I did make adjustments as I went (after the first example) to match the level of compression and output, whilst commenting on the variations in sound quality. The ease of use comparison, and whether I achieve the desired sound, are both good concepts I’ll consider in future videos. 🙂