Every time

Right, its our lil club. But seriously I think it's because the length, you literally spent days with these characters, part of their life, all these emotional connections, it's like a part of us dies when we finish, like losing 20 some friends at one time, needless to say life changing

@@Chunglevision There's more to it than that. Personally, the way it delves into truth as a philosophical subject was what impacted me the most. The idea that something can be true on one level whilst not being exactly categorically true on the other was something that changed my life and understand faith better. I can confidently say that my entire paradigm about how I approach my faith has been strengthened by reading Umineko, I could even argue that it was what helped me sort out my internal conflict with me staying in my faith despite feeling a relatively strong pull towards atheism. Umineko is a great story, but it's also an amazing dialogue around truth and epistemology.

@@carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255 had similar experience i was atheist because i thought that materialism is the only way that makes sense, and umineko introduced me to some platonic ideas that made me able to be religious again.

It *really* does. I can say so many things about Umineko, but I can always just summarize it to just that. "It changed my life." There's really no other piece of fiction that has changed/shaped the way I see the world at the same level that Umineko does.

Lol

Hahaha gg

Why life changing?

@@mambolosco35 The message of umineko has a lot to do with finding happiness and the beauty in human relationships. Ever since I completed it, my perspective on the world has completely changed for the better.

When I saw this on my recommended, I knew I'd find you here..

I knew you'd be here

I stroke to you

I know exactly what KZfaq video you saw

hey wait a second...

It's the same name, but very much a different woman

It's the same name, but very much a different woman

@@Cubicflow No, it is actually about the same woman. Kinzo's insanity is because of the guilt he feels towards II and III, not I.

Uuuuuuu to you too!

Holy shit, you've read the peak fiction! The absolute GOAT. Oxygen gang rise up! 🌬

I stoke to you

Same to both points

actually same

I read it in a few weeks 💀

​@@anomitasi readed 1 ep for week i think

@@anomitas same bro i read it in less than a month ahah

Rosatrice fan too? :D

@@operationkakera3139 LMAO no. Everything in Umineko points to the actual culprit. But I do find the Rosatrice theories funny. And yknow if people want to interpret the story differently who am I to stop them?

@@lerfarts Well I have a lot of proof as to why Rosa could be the culprit but who am I to change your opinion. Keep well!!

Yeah, episodes 2 and 3 are extremely important. Also all the following episodes are even more important.

True but it really kicks in at ep 7 and magnified at 8

That's the first I've heard of it so thank you for the recc. It definitely sounds like a common theme in Higurashi and Umineko.

I do like gothic stuff, I'll keep it in mind.

I second this, if you love umineko then fata morgana is def a read

Omg please do !

@@Itz_Rubayet Well you all spoke up and its been added to my wishlist, now just to wait for the steam sale.

@@leafread2429if you have a switch I would recommend that version since it has updated art and includes the prequel which is arguably just as good if not better and the exclusive sequel and short stories

I am tempted at some point to reread certain parts, knowing the context of the end. Even those silly scenes of the kids messing around would hold much more weight.

@@leafread2429 (Spoiler) A fave to do a quick rewatch/read is in ep1, where Battles first meets Kanon in the garden. But for major highlights, the Dual in ep 6, ep 2's small vaca scene with George and Shannon, pretty much a lot of scenes within ep 5 + 6. On top of knowing the truth, its fun to look back at some of the locked rooms too, like the one in ep 3's First Twilight.

@@adolfoviruet7481 IMO the "fights" between Beatrice and Shannon/Kanon in Episode 2 are probably the most meaningful scenes in the entire game. Episode 1/2 (but particularly 2) are very meaningful in general, since they're the only episodes directly written by "Beatrice" herself, and 2 specifically contains parts that are basically just her direct thoughts in the form of Beatrice/Shannon/Kanon interactions.

I feel the same about it. This might sound weird, but the reason it impacted me so much is that I had been dealing with opiate addiction since around ~2009 (I've been on suboxone maintenance for years now, but I read Umineko back in 2015 before I got on it). While the issues faced by "Beatrice" (and other characters) in the story are obviously different, I feel like, on a really fundamental level, Umineko's author understands how people cope with suffering (for both better and worse). The reflexive use of "magic" to deal with a painful life was/is something very familiar to me. I also really appreciate the way Umineko takes what is, at its core, a deeply depressing story, but makes it into something more "colorful" and exciting. This is something extremely rare in fiction - it usually tries to treat serious topics with gravity and a serious/dour tone, but I feel like that doesn't paint a full picture of the people involved. As much as I like The House at Fata Morgana (it's probably my second favorite VN), I prefer Umineko's approach to similar subject matter.

It really reminded me of being forced to read Descartes in school -- How can you claim to see the truth when you don't even know what it is "to see"?

Yes I love Berserk.

Absolutely, I meant moreso that its all paid off and really comes together the last 2 as to what the author is trying to express. And that can't happen without the foundation.

Thank you!

The thing is, secular or not, faith is a necessary component to life. You need to have faith in something, institutions, the scientific method, measures of life satisfaction or even that your own experiences are real and valid. Science is not a monolith, hard sciences tend to be devoid of morality, and the softer sciences though more morally influenceable are easy to corrupt with zeitgeist. The closest thing that I've seen to achieving wisdom and morality through secular means is evolutionary epistemology, specifically as it is applied to understand the framework of belief itself and why beliefs and faith evolve the way that they do. Whether you like it or not, religion has a very powerful evolutionary advantage, especially for a race as social as humans are. Having a shared core makes us stronger and can and will make your life better, even if what is at the core isn't categorical truth, it's still true because it works and has worked for so many people at many different times. The core of that faith that made Ange stronger was seen at the end of her life, when she rescued a family icon and tradition (the support to the orphanage) and used it for good. I'm religious myself, so I am biased, but to borrow the words of Christ: "By their fruits ye shall know them". Some epistemological cores are trash for living life, Erika is a great example here. Other epistemological cores can be flawed but still lead to good results, to life satisfaction and good outcomes in your own choices and respect for others. Ultimately, both what you describe, and religion are an attempt to find the most objective, most effective and most satisfying epistemological core over the long run. That quest is one worth doing regardless of where your beliefs stand. Ultimately, beliefs can and should change as they are tested and proved effective or ineffective.

I don't think that's quite the point he's making. I think Ryukishi's point is simply that there's more to people than just "the things they've done and have happened to them." The "without love it can't be seen" stuff is just referring to the fact that you should try to understand people and have empathy for them. So even though it doesn't condone the actions of characters like Rosa or Kinzo, it still thinks that you should try to understand them. And in the context of the greater mystery, understanding the full character of "Beatrice" is necessary to truly understand what happened and why it happened. Merely knowing the exact sequence of events that transpired doesn't give you the whole story. I don't think Umineko is directly supporting the idea of "magic," but simply explaining why some people use/need it. (The next "When They Cry" game, Higanbana, also more explicitly pushes back against the idea of "relying on faith/'magic' to get through life)

Its worth it

Nah

incorrect opinion

Kid named episode 5:

My nick name Nirri in Finnish itself kinda doesn't really mean anything but there is way of saying like "ota nirri pois", "take nirri away" meaning taking away the life from a prey or beast, killing it. I like it, it makes Finnish speaking guys go a bit like OH WOW WOW WELL THAT IS KINDA SPOOKY NAME which is always a good thing for a woman online lol. Sorry for the random info dumping lol

Thanks, I agree I'm cute too. Thanks for info, I hope you keep my life in me.

@@leafread2429 Teehehehe only if keep me entertained. 😘

you could end up as a porcelain figurine in my bookshelf....

Beatrice has absolutely inspired me and I found myself more in common with Battler's stubbornness than I liked

I picked trick first cuz I knew that ending was gonna be worse lmao