Top 5 Batteries for Home (And One You Might Not Expect)

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Top 5 Batteries for Home (And One You Might Not Expect). The first 100 people to use code UNDECIDED at the link below will get 60% off of Incogni: incogni.com/undecided. Adding solar panels to your home is a bright idea, but according to one report from 2020 only about 6% of installed residential solar systems included battery storage. That’s a bit of a power outage in the world of renewable energy. But with a home battery, you'll be able to store energy like a squirrel stores nuts for the winter. Not to mention, you'll be the coolest kid on the block with your Virtual Power Plant system. So, if you want to be the sunshine in your neighborhood, you should consider a home battery, but which one? Let’s take a look at the top 5 battery options on the market … and a couple of bonus alternatives to keep an eye on .. even for renters.
Corrections:
07:37 It's NMC, not LFP
07:46 It should be 9.0 kVA peak (10s) max output and AC coupled only
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@UndecidedMF
@UndecidedMF Жыл бұрын
Corrections: 07:37 It's NMC, not LFP, 07:46 It should be 9.0 kVA peak (10s) max output Do you want any of these options for your home? Have any you’d add to the list? The first 100 people to use code UNDECIDED at the link below will get 60% off of Incogni: incogni.com/undecided. If you like this video, check out Are These Batteries The Future Of Energy Storage? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJeEdaSI0ci8e30.html
@huntingkc1
@huntingkc1 Жыл бұрын
Have not but you and the other KZfaqrs of science need to do a weekly chat.... If it's possible and profitable
@akaiPi.3.14
@akaiPi.3.14 Жыл бұрын
Nice work on the video! *Editor Note - FCP broken transition at **00:23**.* Keep the videos coming, all options need to be know as we move forward.
@mietzsche1081
@mietzsche1081 Жыл бұрын
I'm in EU, why Sonnen wasn't considered?
@FilmAshton
@FilmAshton Жыл бұрын
We have the Enphase pannel setup on our house. So obviously that would be the option if we get into a battery.
@cloudysky3614
@cloudysky3614 Жыл бұрын
We have more options in the EU but currently I would vote against NMC as we had several fires in Germany related to NMC storages. Rather go for LFP which is not as volatile as NMC. Also I would not install batteries outside if the temperature drops below 10°C or even freezing point if they do not include a heating element. Charging NMC and LFP in low temperature conditions drastically decreases their capacity over time. The specs vary by manufacturer but current gen batteries just don't like being to cold. Pylontech certified their sodium ion battery last month here in germany. These should reduce costs for storages in the future as well. So don't go all in yet. But most likely the grid of the future will have a micro grid like structure which will be interesting to see how it will work and especially how grid cells can survive on their own and then resynchronize to the main grid if it comes back after a power outage. There are so many technical aspects and challanges ahead.
@Tomzuki.
@Tomzuki. Жыл бұрын
Paying over $1000/kWh is certainly the reason most people decide to not go for battery storage. There are some very tempting options for those interested in a more DIY installation, with 48V LFP server rack batteries costing around $300/kWh
@macmcleod1188
@macmcleod1188 Жыл бұрын
I will be non grid-tied. That will let me plug select appliances into the battery system lowering my electric bills. And it will still serve for disaster outages.
@niktak1114
@niktak1114 Жыл бұрын
Or go with something like the seplos mason kits and grade A cells for ~$225/kWh.
@emailkanji
@emailkanji Жыл бұрын
@@niktak1114 That's not much of a savings over eg4-lifepower4 packs. They're priced around $300/kWh and you won't need to spend a hundred hours testing and assembling for roughly balanced capacities.
@niktak1114
@niktak1114 Жыл бұрын
@@emailkanji I spent 0 hours testing. Grade A cells are typically quite balanced from the manufacturer.
@stefanweilhartner4415
@stefanweilhartner4415 Жыл бұрын
that will go down to 200$/kWh when the new V2 sodium ion battery from CATL with 200Wh/kg comes to market. the problem in the next years will still be a shortage of these all-in-one battery inverter systems because the demand is shooting up, now they have reached a certain cost effectiveness.
@dougle03
@dougle03 Жыл бұрын
No indication on a DIY solution. 14.5kwh of LFP prismatic Grade A cells comes in at about £2k, pair these with a decent BMS £120, and a Victron Energy MPII 5kw Inverter/charger and you're at about £4,500 plus installation, but as it's DIY we'll assume self install, resulting in a £321 per kwh system. Easy to add additional batteries and more inverters that sync for higher output peak power. Those that can, really should consider DIY as it's by far cheaper for the same facility. Equally, no one should fit NMC based home battery systems in their homes, outside and as far away as practical would be my advise given their huge risk of thermal runaway (Fire). Even without solar this system enables load shifting where time of use import tariffs are available.
@Tomzuki.
@Tomzuki. Жыл бұрын
Going this far with DIY is pretty much pointless nowadays, with ready built server rack batteries costing around $300/kWh, not including the inverter
@stellanclark1418
@stellanclark1418 Жыл бұрын
Signature Solar has 5kWh batteries for $1500, rack mountable and easy to set up. Throw in one of their All In One MPPT controllers and inverters and you have a very inexpensive and easy DIY solution. Cheaper than all the systems shown here. I don't like how the 5 options given are not very DIY and more, pre-built overpriced systems. And considering that the options provided are still including having someone do the install, the EG4 batteries would be a much better option.
@henryaustin8870
@henryaustin8870 Жыл бұрын
I agree with others replying here. While any of the solutions Matt has discussed in this video will work, they are all insanely overpriced. Use the EG4-LL batteries from signature solar, $1500 for 5 kWh is an absolute bargain. Stack as many as you need in parallel and use your inverter or inverters of choice. Build a 30kWh battery for $10,500 and pair with a 15kw inverter like Sol-Ark or Victron. You could build a 15kw output, 30kWh battery based system for well under 20k. The pre-packaged solutions are charging you out the wazoo for "convenience" and "brand name"..... in my opinion they offer little to no bang for your buck when compared to an EG4 battery based system. Full disclaimer: I own EG4 Batteries and Victron Inverters that I bought with my own money. I am not sponsored in any way, I just hate seeing people taken advantage of by these convenience packaged systems.
@35manning
@35manning Жыл бұрын
I'm 50/50 on the argument. DIY is a great option and much cheaper, but not always the nicest looking. Eg, my Victron charger inverter and pair of lithium batteries looks like an industrial electrical box tied to a couple large car batteries with thick cables and an extension cord throw in for good measure. Which is basically is. I still haven't gotten around to even building a cart / stand for it all to mount to. Now that's OK for me because I set it up as a reliable and rugged UPS for computer gear. But it's not something that I'd want mounted on a wall next to my high end luxury car. Luckily I have a beat up modified off road vehicle and laugh when I put new dents in the bodywork as I slide off challenging tracks. But that's not for everybody. I would love to see a follow up of this video looking into different options, likely split up into the many different inverter, charger, combination inverter/charger options in one section with battery options in another. If I were to build a home, I would 100% have a room dedicated to power systems built, likely an extension of the garage. Alas my future plans, money and ability dependent, will hopefully have me building a ocean going live aboard sailboat, with solar, hydro, backup generator and maybe wind power generation (and an electric drive engine for docking). Just imagine building Matt's net zero home, but complete with water desalination and waste water processing, in an area less then 1/3 the size of an average house.
@Rkcuddles
@Rkcuddles Жыл бұрын
@@stellanclark1418 he is running a KZfaq channel. Accessible top 5 lists have a way bigger audience than a DIY video that is unapproachable for most people. Think of all the skills you have that make your suggestion straight forward. Most people don’t have those skills or know what these words mean
@cordless32
@cordless32 Жыл бұрын
Signature Solar was the most cost effective for me plus their amazing customer support. $13,187.94 or ~$430/kwh for a system with 30.72kwh of battery, 13kw continuous inverter output, 10 year warranty. I DIY installed but if you include $4k for install you're still at $560/kwh.
@crysknife007
@crysknife007 Жыл бұрын
I was just checking through the comments to make sure that someone said this. I love my Signature Solar server rack batteries! Super cost effective, especially if you live close enough to go pick them up in person.
@soyelectrico
@soyelectrico Жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, thanks for your comment. We closed our new home last week, moving in around 60 days, always dreamed about owning a home and having solar system grid tied and battery backup for outages. I’ve been reading about Signature Solar from a lot of guys on youtube they seem to be great. I went in their website and saw soooo many options, could you share that awesome system you described? I think that is all i need (even though i need to be able to inject to the grid, its the cheapest way) i think around 20kwh of battery would be enough for backup. Thank you so much in advanced
@hiconor75
@hiconor75 10 ай бұрын
Just like the previous contributor IT was making sure server rack batteries had a place in the in the discussion. Sure these batteries aren’t as fancy looking but it’s the raw cells that’s inside them that determines the amount of power delivered over time i.e. energy, with this video showing 1.00 kWh averaging around thousand dollars I would say is a very high price to pay considering top-of-the-line server rack LifePo4 from Signature solar presently cost $1600++ with a 10 year warranty, for a 5.17 kWh @ 48 V…. I think the power wall market is aimed at homeowners who ‘ just want it done’ with very little knowledge of what is inside the box . Which essentially turns out to be the same high grade A+ cells, Worth noting, Signature solar’s latest version of there (rebranding) EG4 battery, has built-in fire extinguishers for safety.. Moreover, I think it would be worth emphasizing to much extent which of the two battery chemistry types are safest..for all the obvious reasons. Personally, I am very concerned about the handout in-mass of lithium cells to the greater public with very little long term testing for safety, DIY solar’s Will Prowse video of a battery meltdown doesn’t look like much fun, with very little to stop the reaction of the internal chemistry combustion. I am 100% off grid and have been for 10+ years , learning curve is very steep for me and it took considerable investment in time and resources . Wonderful you have closed on your dream home. Congratulations.
@asedcopf
@asedcopf 5 ай бұрын
what does your battery capacity look like after 10 years?
@gavjlewis
@gavjlewis Жыл бұрын
I think 48v server rack batteries are worth mentioning too. I have just added a second to my system (US5000). I will save a little each month and add another unit as I can afford. They are much cheaper to buy and no cost to add to my system.
@BobHannent
@BobHannent Жыл бұрын
Yea, the likes of Orient Solar being missed is a weird failure of this. He's chosen only highly integrated systems which are always relatively expensive.
@jamesray9009
@jamesray9009 Жыл бұрын
who did you go with the EG4 ??
@gavjlewis
@gavjlewis Жыл бұрын
@@jamesray9009 No Pylontech. I'm in the UK and these are the big cheap units available here.
@williamarmstrong7199
@williamarmstrong7199 Жыл бұрын
Lead acid technology is less than optimal in every sense of the word. They last only around 5 years or about 20 cycles if run to flat. They cost a lot to keep fully charged and their efficency is around 80% whattage charged to withdrawn. Against nearly 98% for Lithium technology.
@BobHannent
@BobHannent Жыл бұрын
@@williamarmstrong7199 no one mentioned lead acid, server rack batteries like EG4, Pylontech and Orient Power use LFP.
@Zoyx
@Zoyx Жыл бұрын
I went with EcoFlow. I purchased two Delta Pros. Then I purchased 2 extra batteries to pair up with the Delta Pros. So a total of 14400 Whr. I had an electrician come in and install a transfer switch so I can plug these into my house. All of this together came to around $13k US. So we are getting close to $900 per KWhr.
@dogishappy0
@dogishappy0 Жыл бұрын
Eco Flow is extremely convenient, I will give them that! The generator they sell also has an increased efficiency when charging their Pro model in the event you need a backup to the solar system.
@macmcleod1188
@macmcleod1188 Жыл бұрын
Part of that was for convenience. I'll be moving the plugs during outages.
@Zoyx
@Zoyx Жыл бұрын
@@macmcleod1188 - Looks like I missed an earlier post. Did it contain a link?
@tumbleweed1976
@tumbleweed1976 Жыл бұрын
I use minimal power with Ecoflow Delta 2. They are sending me a new unit as mine purchased in September 2022 intermittently charges. Their customer service has been good while under warranty. Are you totally happy with yours?
@macmcleod1188
@macmcleod1188 Жыл бұрын
@Zoyx no, I'm tired. What I meant was that a significant part of the cost was for the convenience of grid tie and automatic switch over. One way people with less money can get by is to have a non grid-tied system and plug a few key appliances to it. This will lower their electric bills. And then during disaster outages they can plug a few extra items like lamps into it. This stand-alone setup removes the need for an electrician and inspection until you have more money.
@perryhunter129
@perryhunter129 Жыл бұрын
i am preparing to build 18 small homes next to each other. they will be ICF homes (different types for each home) all with ICF roofs. I am looking at doing different storage for each home so I can test side by side in real time for each system. It will be interesting to see how they all perform next to each other and if the entire subdivision can be linked together for a complete off grid community.
@madcow3417
@madcow3417 Жыл бұрын
I have a Tesla powerwall and solar panels. My next step is to install an off-grid system in my garage for car charging. This means my house panels will put that much more into the grid, and it doubles as a backup for a backup. By being off-grid I also don't have to deal with some permits (others I still need) or the maximum panel limit in Colorado (was 120% of my usage, recently changed to 200%).
@dapperdave4952
@dapperdave4952 Жыл бұрын
My money is on Forever Energy at this time...just not ready to "pull the trigger" on it. Thank you Mat, we (my Wife and I (a retired EE)) really enjoy your content...it's pretty much the highlight of our "KZfaq Tuesday".
@randomjasmicisrandom
@randomjasmicisrandom Жыл бұрын
I recently had a small solar PV system installed (7 panels) that included a small 2.4 kWh battery. (UK based, pylontech battery connected to a Solis inverter.) It is the battery that makes all the difference, and I already know I could have got three batteries the same size and still filled them up on a good day. The plan is to get another battery added next year along with 3 more panels pointed towards the evening sun. I now know a lot more about how and when my house is using energy via the app that came with the inverter, so I know that right now my house is still running on sun generated energy from earlier today. Be warned though, watching the system run everything is addictive!
@randomjasmicisrandom
@randomjasmicisrandom Жыл бұрын
Also a friend of mine has four times the amount of panels I do along with a Tesla Powerwall and several Bluetti batteries. He is all but completely off grid, or as much as you can be in the UK where you aren’t actually allowed to disconnect your house fully.
@zenthor13
@zenthor13 Жыл бұрын
@@randomjasmicisrandom just interested in your comment that in the uk your not allowed to disconnect from the mains. Have you any reference for that? Just asking as when we had our consumer unit upgraded I asked for a "whole house isolator’ to be fitted after the meter as I thought we had a faulty meter and the isolator was cheaper then a formal investigation by the energy company. So I ‘isolated the house’ and videoed the meter for an hour - not a success as the meter just when into a ‘failed’ mode. ( used a power meter to check the meter and round we just use a lot of power 🥲)
@carlostejada6782
@carlostejada6782 11 ай бұрын
Yes, you can easily become a battoholic!
@Nalesa-Energystorage
@Nalesa-Energystorage 8 ай бұрын
Yes, it sounds very nice!
@jasonbroom7147
@jasonbroom7147 Жыл бұрын
Something I don't think you mentioned is how ridiculously easy it is to DIY a solution, these days. With PnP inverters and server-rack batteries, going off-grid or grid-tied with DIY battery options is easier than most folks might believe. You can also save quite a bit of money in the process, plus you wind up with a much better understanding of what you have, what to expect from it, and what to do if there are ever any issues. Commercial product offerings are nice n' all, but there is stil are many DIY options in this space that are worth considering.
@ckm-mkc
@ckm-mkc Жыл бұрын
In a lot of places, you can't do this due to building codes. A friend of mine just went through this with a grid-tie system. He looked at all the options, but with permitting & certified installer complications, it was easier & cheaper to just go with a complete solution with a certified installer. The building inspector said that in theory DIY was possible, but it would be significantly more time/paperwork/money & would require a EE signoff. Plus his home insurance would not have covered it or any associated issues.
@AndrewVanTil
@AndrewVanTil Жыл бұрын
Was going to say the same thing. It's crazy how much less expensive something like a Sol-Ark 15K + a stack of LiPo server rack batteries is compared to these solutions.
@AndrewVanTil
@AndrewVanTil Жыл бұрын
@@ckm-mkc That's really interesting. I haven't gotten that far into it, but from what I've found so far it looks like as long as everything is UL listed (which many units are not) the code/insurance issues should go away. Obviously the "in theory" and "in practice" can vary significantly.
@mrwess1927
@mrwess1927 Жыл бұрын
@@ckm-mkc. Build a battery cart. 3kwh cap 1kw inverter 400 watt solar input with 500 watt mppt. Charge controller. Cant do everything but can do a lot. Portable ish could cost $1000-1500. Lifepo battery ftw
@jasonbroom7147
@jasonbroom7147 Жыл бұрын
@@ckm-mkc - If, by "a lot of places", you mean Kalifornia, then I agree. In normal places, where nuttiness is not completely out of control, it's totally doable, especially with all of the UL approved options on the market these days.
@michelem.6104
@michelem.6104 Жыл бұрын
Very good summary. I'm especially interested in the smaller/portable (2-3KW) units for a van/RV conversion. If you 'KZfaq' some of the fixed systems for vans (long heavy gauge wires, separate batteries, buss bars, solar inputs, MPPT, etc, etc, it quickly becomes a large mess of wires...with HUGE low-voltage line losses. All this goes away with one of the portable LFP options...plus you can use it in your home...or add a 2nd one for redundancy.
@Jessyco
@Jessyco Жыл бұрын
I greatly appreciate the information you present in every one of your videos;. Your video format, information, is so easy to consume it makes considering and learning about these technologies a joy. Thank you so much for the fantastic work you do.
@Sadiehikes
@Sadiehikes Жыл бұрын
I agree!! Thank you so much for this one in particular, too!
@robbie31580
@robbie31580 Жыл бұрын
Whatever you do don't waste your money on these options he is pushing. They are dramatically overpriced and NMC chemistry is not long lasting.
@texastaterbug5395
@texastaterbug5395 Жыл бұрын
The vehicle to home options sound really good after watching this breakdown. Particularly the trucks with 100+ KWH batteries and 9+ KW continuous output. You get a truck that also serves as a battery backup for the price of the battery.
@ronnelson06824
@ronnelson06824 Жыл бұрын
My 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5, 77+ kilowatt hour battery has been my home back up and my camping power and my dry off the pickle ball courts after a light rain with long extension cords and my electric leaf blower since January 2022. I’ve had solar on my home since 2012 and it’s saving me thousands of dollars every year. There were no battery options in 2012. V2L vehicle to load is the name of their system. The smart grid is here and we just need more folks like me and us spreading the good news and the cost savings. The Planet will be saved because we want to save money! !!!!!!! Connecticut has fantastic incentives for solar and home battery and electric heating and level two EV chargers in the garage. The feds have great tax credits on all too.
@digitalmediasvcs1
@digitalmediasvcs1 Жыл бұрын
I've been following Will Prowse for years, and he has some great DIY solutions for home solar, including grid-tied systems, and they are scalable. The pricing is competitive to the systems in this video, and even more important, can have higher outputs. I saw a video with Tesla's power wall, and there is a discrepancy in the contract, where they advertise 13KWh, but the system's inverter will only allow 11 KWh. So while all of these systems look good, I think I am going to go Signature Solar. Scalable, more flexibility and power options. I'd rather have too much power than not enough.
@themightymacboy
@themightymacboy Жыл бұрын
Thank you for delivering amazing content, Matt!!
@jwestney2859
@jwestney2859 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Matt for cramming all that info in to one concise video that I can listen while doing Sunday breakfast. Cheers!
@patrickcollins7030
@patrickcollins7030 Жыл бұрын
Didn't realize there were so many unique option. I mostly view the server rack option and DIY LIPO batteries for cells.
@troyclayton
@troyclayton Жыл бұрын
My friends down the street, with their solar panels and generator, decided to use their EV as their home battery. It's a 75 kWh battery they can drive down the road and charge for free at the right place. edit: Our neighborhood has spent almost 2 weeks without power in the last 6 months here in Maine.
@massengineer7582
@massengineer7582 9 ай бұрын
EV with bidirectional charging aka V2H V2G V2L makes the most technical sense (leveraging the 50+ kWh battery). I hope more car manufacturers mask this available in the U.S., and elsewhere.
@ecliptic21
@ecliptic21 Жыл бұрын
Thanks great info. In South Africa we experience "loadshedding" controlled outages due to our failing national grid. So most people install solor with battaries so we can weather the loadshedding. But currently we only have two from your list available: the Testla powerwall and Ecoflow. Hybrid inverter like Sunsynk are paired with battaries and solor.
@JBoy340a
@JBoy340a Жыл бұрын
We have Powerwalls and are very happy with them. Between them and the solar we have largely eliminated our electricity bill and they seamlessly take over in a power outage. We don’t even see a light flicker. We used to spend up to 600 a month on electricity. Now the bill is around $12/mo which is the grid connection fee. We got our Powerwalls in 2020 when they had discounts and paid around 6k each and about 1k additional for the install since they were already here installing the roof solar.
@fredericrike5974
@fredericrike5974 Жыл бұрын
Matt, love that your new home has provided you with lots of motivation on the renewables and the zero energy concepts- all the bleeding details you care to share, all the bleeding detail that will help us separate the "honest brokers" from the merely loud mouthed one. Yer doin' good, Matt!
@IronmanV5
@IronmanV5 Жыл бұрын
I'm liking the Franklin setup for expandability, but am waiting to see how quickly sodium ion battery production ramps up. Im taking CATL, and others projections with a grain of salt for now. The one that really has me charged up is Forever Energy's home flow battery.
@jamestucker8088
@jamestucker8088 Жыл бұрын
No pun intended?
@IronmanV5
@IronmanV5 Жыл бұрын
@@jamestucker8088 No senor😉
@liam3284
@liam3284 9 ай бұрын
I'm starting to take CATL at their words, they have the chemistry and process expertise to make sensible estimates. How much of the cost saving they pass on to customers is the question.
@dannydaw59
@dannydaw59 Жыл бұрын
I've got the Sunpower lfp 13.2kwh battery and it was useful during g the Feb. ice storm outage. I had to conserve energy but it lasted till the solar panels started generating energy the next day. I started out with 87% battery at the start of the outage.
@JohnDoe-xr8dz
@JohnDoe-xr8dz 10 ай бұрын
We are pretty happy with Enphase for the following features: A) in consumption mode the house is drawing first from the solar panels, second from the battery, third from the grid, which minimizes purchased power; B) Enphase mother ship monitors the storm forecasts and switches the battery to backup mode, where power comes primarily from solar panels and secondarily from the grid; C) the Enphase app is instructive of home power draw, helping us choose how many devices we use simultaneously. I have been on this system for three years, paid a lot more than the quote in the video, but have no regrets. LFP seems to be great for getting the maximum cycles of lifetime battery usage which is quite opposite what I want from my EV (fast charging and high output).
@the78mole
@the78mole Жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, you should definitely have a look at Victron. For home storage, they partner with Pylontec Batteries very well (any battery can serve in the range from 12 to 48V) and the system is so flexible, that it can deal with any situation. You can AC or DC connect it and even mixed installations are possible, also with existing AC inverters on both the interrupted and non-interrupted (UPS) outputs or the AC input. Victron is usually a bit more expensive, but it is easily upgradable and also supports 3-phase AC (with 3 inverters) and is easily upgradable on the inverter side by paralleling more inverters. If you want to have a look at the most flexible systems, just have a look at the Quattro and MultiPlus-II types of inverters. I'm an electronics engineer with many years of experience and I think, it is an ingenious piece of engineering in my eyes, which most inverter manufacturers could not believe is possible for the home market.
@Paul-cj1wb
@Paul-cj1wb Жыл бұрын
Matt, with your apparently more advanced tech knowledge, did you ever look at something like the EG4 Server Rack Battery Kit with a total of 30.72kWh for $8,994.00? That's roughly $344 per KWhr. It includes a pre-assembled enclosed rack with wheels, so negates the need for any wall installations costs. They are LFP, which have a much longer cycle life than NMC. You can get them from Signature Solar with a full warranty. And will work with micro inverters such as Enphase, which are better than a single or double inverters. Or with any other inverter of your choice. You can also configure it with a smaller battery system if that's what you prefer. They go for $1,500 for 5.1kw modules. So a 15.3kw system would go for $4,500.
@satekeeper
@satekeeper 4 ай бұрын
I think he is restricting consideration to totally hands-off systems where someone just buys it and doesn't have to worry about design, sizing, installation, configuration, or DIY-style management apps. You are just pricing equipment alone, and for a system many people who aren't DIY or techie, would find intimidating.
@duncanjames914
@duncanjames914 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another educational video Matt. I am considering a hybrid system of a LYCAN from Renogy to power critical systems in my home in the event of an outage plus PV and a small generator. We live in a rural area with frequent power disruptions due to storms. At certain times of the year (i.e Spring and Fall) if the power goes out, our basements are at risk of flooding without an operational sump pump. Having what is effectively a UPS for critical loads while we are away from home gives us peace of mind. I like the LYCAN as it handles the AC, solar, and generator input plus provides clean power output. It's not as big as the batteries you have presented but is portable and could be moved if necessary.
@victoriamiskolczy6336
@victoriamiskolczy6336 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing all this research! It certainly helps me in mine…
@AlexM-tx2vr
@AlexM-tx2vr Жыл бұрын
I am super excited to hear about residential flow batteries could be coming to the market in the near future!
@marcusheap
@marcusheap Жыл бұрын
Enphase looks like the best option. But it’s a real shame you didn’t finish with a comparison chart that showed all five - + cost and ranking.
@tommantek3632
@tommantek3632 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you providing options for renters - I know about a third of the US rents but in some areas, like mine in California almost half the state rents. Being able to take advantage of home batteries is something I'd like to do, even though we rent.
@natecaplin4374
@natecaplin4374 Жыл бұрын
It’s important for anyone considering these batteries in combination with their PV solar installation a few things: 1. Their utility provider’s rate program for power sold back to them. For those lucky enough to have “net metering” where their utility gives you one free KWH for every KWH sold back, the need for batteries is much less. 2. Typically PV sales and install companies charge a lot LESS for the batteries upfront with the system than after the fact. For example, I paid $8,000 per extra Tesla PowerWall battery. But it would be $12K+ to add later. 3. Tax incentives. The federal tax credit which is 30% of the cost of the installed system (including batteries) is HUGE, but only applies to the initial install system, not batteries added later.
@mike_realityi
@mike_realityi Жыл бұрын
I went with the SunPower SunVault. They use the EnPhase MIs, IQ7, and have the LFP chemistry, AC Coupled and can connect to the Virtual Power Plant here in CT with Eversource. Primarily we went with SunPower for 2 reasons. Our installer that we chose and really liked is a Master Dealer for SunPower and due to the Safety of the LFP over the NMC.
@alfs3
@alfs3 Жыл бұрын
As always fantastic info Matt!
@marklaw9124
@marklaw9124 Жыл бұрын
I hope you get better soon and everything is not too bad for you. You come across as very strong and that will be great for you and your family.
@ToddDesiato
@ToddDesiato Жыл бұрын
I think the new Bluetti EP900 is going to be a game-changer. I can't wait to get one and start offering them at NC Solar Electric instead. The future of home batteries is looking great!
@edc1569
@edc1569 Жыл бұрын
2 year warranty? Seems a poor value.
@ToddDesiato
@ToddDesiato Жыл бұрын
@@edc1569 I think that will change for the EP900 if they want to compete with other systems.
@AlecMuller
@AlecMuller Жыл бұрын
We have SimpliPhi batteries at roughly $800/kW and rated for 10,000 cycles, and friends have EG4 batteries that are about half that price and rated for 7,000 cycles. It's definitely worth looking at the lifecycle cost per kW-HOUR, not just kW, especially if you're considering them for anything other than off-grid or power outages.
@boblatkey7160
@boblatkey7160 11 ай бұрын
$800 per kilowatt? It would be helpful for others if you had your unit straight. Energy storage is expressed in kilowatt hours! Or do you have a water system that does 60 psi per hour? 😂
@LilyWasHereMB
@LilyWasHereMB 9 ай бұрын
Too impatient for sea levels to rise and reach my land locked home, I moved to a coastal area. Now, I can dip my toes with a short walk but one of the cons is, I have to think about hurricanes and my electric power going down for days. Much to consider and this video was helpful.
@mnhtnman
@mnhtnman Жыл бұрын
Thank you and Good Morning!
@MrDontcareify
@MrDontcareify Жыл бұрын
One big downside with Enphase is that their continuous capacity is low (for now) so many customers would have to get two or three (maximum of four per IQ combiner box) to get a useable capacity in the event of a grid outage. That said, I think Enphase has the safest battery with the LFP chemistry and likely the longest shelf life, too, because the microinverters add an element of safety and longevity to the batteries. Enphase is spending R&D money to get higher continuous capacity batteries on the market, though.
@mpetty9947
@mpetty9947 Жыл бұрын
That sounds good because I have a 240 well pump that would not work with the Enphase pack as it stands and would love to buy that brand.
@dannywitz
@dannywitz Жыл бұрын
I’m unclear what you had in mind, if you add more enphase batteries you get both more power and energy capacity until you reach your desired needs. They are just smaller building blocks, (not really less power) you can have 12x IQ battery 3s or 4x battery 10’s. Did I mention that a battery 10 is 3x battery 3s under a larger cover?
@tscoff
@tscoff Жыл бұрын
@@mpetty9947 You can run your well pump from an Enphase battery. You need two of them instead of one though.
@DigitalMocking
@DigitalMocking Жыл бұрын
Interesting take, but I'm kind of surprised you didn't talk about DIY solutions that grid connect. The cost of going with something like a Sol-Ark or GroWatt inverter and a rack of server rack batteries gets you crazy amounts of capacity and power draw capability.
@johnburn8031
@johnburn8031 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this with us. 🙋🏻‍♂️
@teknophyle1
@teknophyle1 Жыл бұрын
Made the same comment on Ricky's channel: in a renter scenario a product I wish existed was a cheap kit to build a small "solar trailer" like 3 adjustable panels (tilt and rotate), one of the mobile battery solutions in a small locked and ventilated compartment. on a platform easily towed by a small electric car. IDK maybe if we have builders in the community we can come up with an opensource design.
@michaelsmith6729
@michaelsmith6729 Жыл бұрын
I think another price metric used should be a price per kw of energy storage over a set time frame, perhaps 10 years. This would help compare retained battery density costs over the life of the battery. So for instance a battery that appears cheaper on install for the same density might in fact turn out to cost way more due to having to replace it much sooner then another.
@Lasjah
@Lasjah Жыл бұрын
I would love to know if Ambri is ever going to make a home version of their liquid metal batteries. They seem incredibly stable and the possible lifespan could be decades.
@amdreallyfast
@amdreallyfast Жыл бұрын
Yes! I've been very interested in Ambri, and I'm hoping that it takes off. There's not a lot of news about them though.
@189Blake
@189Blake 6 ай бұрын
If I understand correctly, those are liquid metal batteries which mean they gotta be very hot to work. That's why they are being considered for power plants or data centers, in a home it would be hard to keep them at high temperature. I might be wrong, but that was the limitation as I remember.
@treynamy
@treynamy Жыл бұрын
Great as always, thank you!
@roland9367
@roland9367 Жыл бұрын
I think the connectivity and software processes will make a huge difference. For example, running on tariffs with an hourly price. Or charge the systems automatically when a storm is coming. But even more important, actually help in stabilizing the grid. By putting energy back into the grid when necessary, or pull from grid.
@parasandtobi
@parasandtobi Жыл бұрын
I would add EVs like the F150 Lightning to the list. You could charge them off solar and off-board power during a power outage. If the power is out for an extended period of time you could drive to a public charger and recharge.
@hyfy-tr2jy
@hyfy-tr2jy Жыл бұрын
You do realize that the Ford Lightning is nothing more than a PR piece right. When actually tasked as truck (as in hauling things and towing trailers) the Ford Lightning ceases to function as a truck. Real world tests have shown that when hauling a reasonable trailer the Ford Lightning has an 80-ish mile range. When your range is that limited it becomes useless. The Ford Lightening is just a preppy status symbol "truck" which is better avoided unless image is all you are concerned about.
@tatzecom
@tatzecom Жыл бұрын
@@hyfy-tr2jy My guy I dont think you understood the usecase right for the F150. The Ford F150 is the most used car in the entirety of america. Does that mean that all those F150s are used to tow trailers and haul things? I reckon not. Quite the opposite, the majority never see their intended purpose as a utility vehicle doing heavy work. Lots of contractors use F150s to occasionally haul some stuff if the need arises at best. And thats the perfect usecase for the F150. You can store your tools in the frunk and have them always charged thanks to mains voltage outlets. Same on the bed, whole bunch of outlets that can power quite a lot of tools, perfectly reasonable if you wanna use shopvacs or saws or whatever with no main power nearby. Also for the camper crowd, having mains voltage readily available without running a generator or god forbid the whole entire truck is pretty cool. For the rest of the population, an electric vehicle with the style of their favourite truck is plenty enough to get the kids to school, get groceries and get to the fucking coffeeshop where you can get your overpriced Latte. Like 90% of F150s dont ever see their intended purpose, so why are you judging the F150 Lightning without also assuming that the vast majority wont ever be used to tow shit?
@dstr1
@dstr1 Жыл бұрын
It cost as much as a solar system including battery to in accessories to access the energy.
@gordonstewart5774
@gordonstewart5774 Жыл бұрын
Commercials look good, but you need $4000 worth of installation to run power back to the house.
@Kevin-fh5ci
@Kevin-fh5ci Жыл бұрын
The Bonded Neutral issue makes it difficult to consider any F150 whether it is the lightning or the Hybrid as a home battery alternative. You have to have a panel installed with dedicated circuits to handle this or you will get ground faults. Sure, you can use extensions in the outlets in the truck and run some of your home off the truck but that makes it akin to the portable batteries mentioned in the video as bonus or less. I wish it were not the case because it is part of the reason I bought the F150 hybrid.
@theorosenberg
@theorosenberg Жыл бұрын
Love the Enphase choice Matt! As a dedicated southwest Enphase solar installer, they really are practical and efficient. Keep your eyes on Enphase's EV car charger!
@makatron
@makatron Жыл бұрын
Mentioned here just under 4kw constant power sounds kinda low to run a house though. Do they make a larger one or can I stack another to double it?
@theorosenberg
@theorosenberg Жыл бұрын
@@makatron Completely modular Issac! We stack them to best suit the customers needs
@makatron
@makatron Жыл бұрын
@@theorosenberg in already planning to deploy around 6kw in my roof and now considering maybe planning for these.
@theorosenberg
@theorosenberg Жыл бұрын
@@makatron Sounds exciting Issac! Are you in the Southwest? Google: Our World Energy and we can help answer those questions for you
@makatron
@makatron Жыл бұрын
@@theorosenberg actually I'm a bit more to the south, Dominican Republic. A bit more sunlight with a dash of hurricane season. 🤣
@david-holmes
@david-holmes Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the home battery update 👍🏻
@UndecidedMF
@UndecidedMF Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@propergander8509
@propergander8509 Жыл бұрын
Home batteries are great and I love mine for allowing me to carry my solar gains into the night, allowing me to be off-grid for most of the year. Certainly useful for that once a year power outage of two or three hours. But far more impactful to my bills is excess solar charging! It really helps me reduce the payback time of my install and keeps my power bills to a minimum and I actually get to use more of my solar energy instead of feeding it into the grid for peanuts! Compared to how much electricity our two EVs use, nighttime consumption of our home is a drop in the bucket!
@robertlochman8027
@robertlochman8027 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Any chance you could do a video about leveraging electric vehicles as a home storage/ backup option? Ford promised that with the F-150 Lightning, and VW has hinted at it.
@jzjsf
@jzjsf Жыл бұрын
Boy, I really strongly second the idea of a video on that topic! The California Legislature is likely to pass a law that by 2027, all EVs sold in the state must have V2G capability, and the California Energy Commission is promulgating communication protocols to assure a universal OEM approach to the subject. I don't see why you'd spent $15-$25K for residential storage, when you can get a perfectly decent EV for not much more that is 60-75KWH of rolling energy storage! This is a classic situation where the hardware is easier than the computer software and the paper policies. I'm already looking forward to this episode!
@steaditex
@steaditex Жыл бұрын
What about some of the rack mount batteries such as EG4?
@davejack8973
@davejack8973 Жыл бұрын
ABSOLUTELY FIRE VIDEO
@icekk007
@icekk007 Жыл бұрын
Matt: Thank you for the summary. I was shocked by how much more expensive a home battery vs. a EV battery. An EV battery pack cost about $100-130/kWh, which is 1/10th of the cost of a home battery. We have a long way to go for home energy storage.
@nick_riviera
@nick_riviera Жыл бұрын
You are comparing the price of acquisition vs the retail price. They are different concepts
@icekk007
@icekk007 Жыл бұрын
@@nick_riviera True. Automotive industry margin is between 6-10%. Even you add the margin to an automotive EV battery. It is still very much cheaper than a home battery.
@isovideo7497
@isovideo7497 7 ай бұрын
EG4 48V/100Ah server rack batteries are now around $1300, or around $270.00 per KWh for 7000 cycles of 80% depth, and should last around 20 years.
@dodgerdan1952a
@dodgerdan1952a Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you. In a future video, I would like to hear your prospective on EV to home charging. Taking advantage of an EV’s large battery to provide temporary power might be a game changer. I could envision Tesla resisting this trend as it would cannibalize their home battery system.
@BL3446
@BL3446 Жыл бұрын
Agreed! I was thinking the same thing. Video also really puts in perspective how big EV batteries are at ~50kWh compared to these 10kWh battery walls.
@massengineer7582
@massengineer7582 9 ай бұрын
Absolutely. It's called bidirectional charging, V2G or V2L (vehicle to grid/load). Increasing numbers of people will have a "free" 40-70 kWh battery, or two, sitting at their house (in EVs). Some of those can already connect to a small inverter to provide 120 V of convenience power. Make that 240V (230 in Europe) and people can be paid by the utility to provide some peak power, and power their home if/when the utility fails.
@stevesedio1656
@stevesedio1656 Жыл бұрын
Our system is based on a Sol-Ark inverter / battery charger / transfer switch, the only think it doesn't have is an outlet for the EV (it does have a generator input), We went with 3 Sol-Ark 12's, which was overkill, my peak power with an EV and max house load is 15KVA. Sol-Ark has an 8, 12 and 15KVA unit. The batteries are 2 eVault 18.5KWh. I spent 6 weeks in the late spring with no grid use. This winter was a killer, lots of rain and cloudy days.
@stevekundzala676
@stevekundzala676 Жыл бұрын
Great INFO, Thanks!
@RJeezy55
@RJeezy55 Жыл бұрын
Would love a more detailed breakdown of 'Forever Energy' and the future offerings this company is touting.
@upnorthandpersonal
@upnorthandpersonal Жыл бұрын
For comparison: my DIY system with 60kWh LFP battery, 6kW output with 18kW peak, generator input and 10kW solar input comes at €145 per kWh.
@ronm6585
@ronm6585 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt.
@MikeH-sg2ue
@MikeH-sg2ue Жыл бұрын
We’re still looking. This grid tie is all about the grid, nothing there when you need it. Spend big bucks for panels, you better spend bigger bucks, for batteries! Currently experimenting with a small sand battery, for heat. May go bigger this Autumn, might not! Love your informative videos, keep it up!
@graysonsmith7031
@graysonsmith7031 Жыл бұрын
I already posted this in another comment, but I think it's worth saying phase change thermal energy storage via wax could be really powerful when tied in with hybrid photovoltaic-thermal panels and heat pump water heaters. By creating a wax based thermal battery that could be melted/charged by the heat from the panels, you can capture and store a ton more solar energy. The heat pump could be used to heat the wax when excess solar (but not thermal) energy is being produced. And you might even be able to put the cold side of the heat pump into the solar panels to increase their electrical efficiency and use the return line to heat the cold side and generate heat to melt the wax for both a higher electrical efficiency and more overall energy capture via collecting and storing the thermal energy.
@ipcress20
@ipcress20 Жыл бұрын
Great video Matt. Now that the Tesla LFP version 3 seems to be on the cusp of release, you might compare it to the five discussed in this video. Appreciate your great content and delivery!
@zbeasty
@zbeasty Жыл бұрын
I've got Enphase inverters in my solar setup but the batteries still haven't been released to the Australian market (supposed to be the next couple of months). They're only bringing the smaller battery (5kwh) so it will be interesting to see how it fares against the competition. LG's reputation has taken a hit with their recent recalls so it will be interesting to see the uptake on the newer models. I notice you didn't mention Sonnen.
@Sugi1971
@Sugi1971 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting and new technology on battery storage. Thanks for sharing.
@Soothsayer210
@Soothsayer210 Жыл бұрын
i use my Ford Lightening. Hope the rest of EVs soon has some standard for bi-directional charging. It is a shame not to put into use such huge battery bank on wheels. I will also keep an eye open for the flow batteries you were talking about. Hope you keep us too updated.
@williamwilson6499
@williamwilson6499 Жыл бұрын
Lightning.
@macmcleod1188
@macmcleod1188 Жыл бұрын
The issue is if you use the battery a lot you will reduce range prematurely. If you only use it for disaster outages he'll probably be fine but adding daily charge cycles could be a problem.
@Soothsayer210
@Soothsayer210 Жыл бұрын
@@macmcleod1188 I don't think you are right there for the following reasons. * LFP batteries have about 3000 charge/discharge cycles * the main thing that destroys a battery is how fast you charge and discharge your batteries.
@macmcleod1188
@macmcleod1188 Жыл бұрын
@@Soothsayer210 I agree with your statement. But clearly regularly charging and discharging the battery pack of the vehicle regularly would affect range. Say you "only" put an extra 50 cycles on it per year for example. After 12 years, that's 20% of your cycles. After 7 years, it's a year of usage. I also had the impression that it's how low you discharge and how high you charge that wears the batteries. So you could mitigate wear by keeping the charge level above 25% and below 75%. I largely agree with you but would keep usage of the very expensive car batteries in reserve and use a cheap set of $1500 batteries that can be easily replaced for regular use.
@eliinthewolverinestate6729
@eliinthewolverinestate6729 Жыл бұрын
I just want a simple off grid system. Must have independent smoke detector circuit system. Pumping water is biggest electric use for me. I couldn't make enough electric or big enough pump. So went 2 stroke water pump to get water 50 feet up the ridge. I am going as many d.c. electric devices as possible if not everything. Thank you for going over newer battery options. I love the my super capacitor bank in my solar system it extends the battery lives. I like the enphase. Might check it out for the boat I want to build after cottage is finished. I really like the small systems I hook up on boat lifts.
@Kunk35
@Kunk35 9 ай бұрын
There are so many others that you did not mention. Homegrid makes a very easy to install stack system that has up to 14.4 continuous output, and up to 24 kw surge with up to 38.4 kWh capacity per stack. Storz power is another option that is modular.
@justicesomeday
@justicesomeday 8 ай бұрын
thank you my friend matt !!!!!! My first solar project dates back to 1987, my own family log house
@AngryIrishMan
@AngryIrishMan 11 ай бұрын
Dude.... Matt is the smartest man on YT. I say this because the amount of time he spends on research and learning everything he shows us, has to be immense. What is in his head could fill the Library of Alexandria.
@marktadlock5428
@marktadlock5428 10 ай бұрын
I am building an outdoor office and I am trying to set it up to be totally energy self sufficient but also tied into my utility.
@kswas2784
@kswas2784 Жыл бұрын
Good video with a lot of great information. I am surprised that you didn't include Generac who is a leader in power backup systems. I would also like to see a system that includes integrating a car with VTX capability.
@jesselore6374
@jesselore6374 Жыл бұрын
Great info and superbly explained.
@robyrcmp
@robyrcmp Жыл бұрын
Good reporting Matt
@jasonk86
@jasonk86 8 ай бұрын
I think the Bluetti EP900 would be an interesting one to consider for the list from a 9kw - 19kw modular option with a built in inverter.
@christopherlenahan3906
@christopherlenahan3906 Жыл бұрын
With most people north of the 40th parallel needing heat in a large portion of the year, and I being in Canada. I think that sand batteries are a great method of preserving energy with minimal efficiency losses. I live in a low sun/wind BC coastal area, I plan to use my available solar/wind as an independent thermal generation system. As heating at night and all fall/winter/spring are a far greater cost then my appliances. Using sand allows me to have a nearly limitless capacity in that I am designing the battery to handle 400C and can always add more sand. Using electricity to heat the sand and electronically controlled passive thermal circulation of a heat transfer oil to a radiator will allow much higher sand temperatures.
@floridagarye9288
@floridagarye9288 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt! I signed up for updates from Forever Energy. It does sound most promising and very much needed when you live in Florida. Thanks for the heads up.
@markharris8617
@markharris8617 10 ай бұрын
Excellent overview!
@zen1647
@zen1647 Жыл бұрын
Great video- thanks!
@eugenetai1644
@eugenetai1644 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for all of your reviews concerning home power solutions, Matt. Just this week, I decided to take the plunge by purchasing the Anker Powerhouse 767, which was on sale during Amazon Prime Days. My intent is to use as a base platform to build my home backup solution from; many YT reviewers seem to give the 767 an overall positive review, and I only need something for essential power during blackouts (like the refrigerator). At same time, I do not have the funds to invest in larger solutions like Tesla's Powerwall, so I thought this was a financially practical jump-off point to start from. But I appreciate your reviews as well, as I have been following you on your home solar and backup research for a while now, and have incorporated some of the info I have received from your reviews into my decisions. Thanks Matt!
@HollisAudioLabs
@HollisAudioLabs Жыл бұрын
Put in a Tesla Solar Roof system when our roof needed replacing. The system was sized with two Tesla Powerwall2's and installed. Close to 2 years after installation and working very well in MD. Since install we have had 13 power outages from 5 min to 1 hr in duration and no drops in power to the house. Also setup the system for TOU to help with high rate times for the electric coop we belong to. Made 18.9MWh of power the first year. Now have a Tesla Model Y Long Range that we charge with excess capacity. Works well for us.
@ishinfinity3336
@ishinfinity3336 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video was just what many would want . And when will you be updating us next on the net zero home build ? , mainly curious as to how the forever energy flow battery will compare wth the hydride lavos system
@dangelsun
@dangelsun Жыл бұрын
When I added a battery to my system in Ohio, I did choose Sonnen over the Enphase one. Both have LFP, but the sonnen had the better continuous output of 4.4kW / 20A instead. I love my SonnenCore connected with my Enphase-PV.
@zalllon
@zalllon Жыл бұрын
Great contest, as always. What I am interested in is a little bit more DIY, such as buying some of the major components separately and saving on cost. For example, a grow light 3000 W MPPT/inverter that is connected to power and only tripped on to use the batteries when an interruption to the grid. This is something I’m looking at for my shed, which is where our pool equipment is, with the hope of using it to power all the pool equipment, directly from the batteries and solar panels during the day to help keep the charge up for those batteries.
@MrEliwankenobi
@MrEliwankenobi Жыл бұрын
Hello Matt, noticed in the video you mentioned mostly integrated battery/inverter solutions, but you failed to mention other great products that are component agnostic when it comes to integration with other solutions. Sol-Ark inverters provide great versatility in terms of PV handling with compatibility with string or microinverters as well as working with any battery available on the market. Batteries like the models from Homegrid or Fortress batteries provide great value and reliability using only LFP battery chemistry.
@moestrei
@moestrei 8 ай бұрын
Option 6: Go completely off grid with plenty of panels (cheap) and a good MPPT which gives usable energy even when it rains. Then add a medium size (expensive) LiFePo4 and a good BMS. Add a high end inverter to get reliability. By far the most satisfying and cheapest option.
@mainelife4268
@mainelife4268 Жыл бұрын
I am on a conference call tomorrow with Enphase. This has been helpful to be able to compare and have some intelligent (or intelligent sounding) questions. I am leaning their way. Thanks
@JoePolaris
@JoePolaris Жыл бұрын
Great Review Matt !! Another point towards LFP, the State of California allows the battery proximity to be inside 24 inches, not the case w/NCM/NCA types. Kodu on also sharing the continuous output as part of the metrics, this data point is often forgotten in the marketing pitch.
@artboymoy
@artboymoy Жыл бұрын
Always good info! I'm still thinking about getting that storage for my solar, but so far my solar installer only offers the Tesla Powerwall and I'd rather have something that is safer, cheaper, and actually don't mind something that takes up a bit of space if I can get those criteria met. That flow battery would be nice but as you say it's a little bit away. Maybe getting some of those portable batteries might be a good inbetween, so I wouldn't have to rip out a whole set up...
@qmcbbj
@qmcbbj 9 ай бұрын
Had 3.2 kw array installed to the Enphase Ensemble (grid-tied) with 2 of the 3.4kwh batteries to start. I added 2 more of the same for a total of 13.6 stored capacity. I go on self consumption mode in May and back to full standby backup mode in late September. My average daily consumption in the summer is under 6 kwh, and average daily production was around 15.2 kwh. We're not net-metered here, as I buy from the grid at 12.2 cents/kwh and sell at 6.8. The difference is brokerage and system maintenance fees, as I see it. Before I bought the system, I replaced my 24 year old well pump with a soft-start low voltage pump. I replaced all the ceiling fans with brushless motor fans. All lighting is LED. My fridge is one of those European imports with serious energy efficiency. I insulated the beejeezus out of my attic, basement and crawl space sealed around the sill. All this because I wanted the safety and longevity of LFP which had about 5 amps available per battery. When the grid went down in the winter I had to shut off my resistance heaters. I did what I could to minimize my usage instead of buying a huge system to start with. Then I added storage to double my available amperage, so now I can microwave popcorn after sunset.
@hazmat5749
@hazmat5749 9 ай бұрын
Ive had a solar system with Powerwall 2 battery for the past 2.5 years. Its a great system, works well, and has reduced my annual electricity bill to zero.
@timf6916
@timf6916 Жыл бұрын
Nice, Good information
@nickhajek6073
@nickhajek6073 Жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, thanks for all the great videos. Did you look into the Electriq Power PowerPod 2 for this video? It seemed pretty compelling in terms of specs, but on the pricey side if I remember correctly. I would be curious if it was in your list of contenders and did not make the top 5. Thanks again for all the great content!
@2001pulsar
@2001pulsar Жыл бұрын
Selectronic SP Pro for storage management, with something like BYD or similar battery. For the same price, but allows much more flexibility in managing your chosen storage solution. Also has generator input and full off-grid operation.
@lhhf
@lhhf Жыл бұрын
Back in Oct 2022, I went with SolarEdge for my home for their solar and HD wave inverter, but with the LG RESU 16H battery (16k capacity, 7k output) and quite happy with the results thus far (havent hit the summer months with the setup yet to see just how well it does) - able to get through the whole night and when the sun comes back up, i still have not yet hit my battery reserve, so most days here in SC, i am almost completely without grid, except SE does seem to take from the grid for surges - until the battery can catch up with the demands.
@xrayaiz74
@xrayaiz74 Жыл бұрын
Great information on what's available and what's coming to market soon. I'm glad you put emphasis on 'storage of power' to leverage during high-peak demand. Hopefully, there is software to help calibrate the power use to the homeowner's needs. Here's a question for you: Are there any software tools or online tools a person can use to determine their power use on any given day? It seems like I would want to know that first before going shopping for a battery storage system. What size or storage capacity do I functionally need to run my home. How did you determine your power use per day before laying plans for your new home? Thanks for the video. Great topic!
@levilambert8068
@levilambert8068 Жыл бұрын
Upload yay!
@pedroc6823
@pedroc6823 9 ай бұрын
I am still trying to decide between a back up generator and a battery back up for my home. About 1900 square feet. Thanks for the clear info.
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