Naw, first blatantly wrong video, cope with the Ending.

@@maylabrown4584 bruh at least watch the video first, it literally came out 2 minutes ago. Why spread salt for no reason

Eren is the greatest protagonist

@@loganshalloe5927 I've seen this type of video many, many times before. Especially after the Manga's Ending, it's no different, cope with the ending.

@@brooks1162 *Greatest badly written protagonist you mean.

I mean would you let slavers take away someone peacefully?

You’d let your childhood friend be kidnapped and sold & just stand idly by while it happened?

@@Philsburneraccount it wasn’t just that, it was the way eren was just brutally stabbing them with no remorse. And to remind you he is like 8 or 9 years old. We see mikasa reflect on that moment a lot to question herself, if eren was always a monster since the beginning.

@@aarontsafack16 Eren explains it himself in the manga. "If someone threatens to take away my freedom, I'll take away theirs." He's not a monster, he responds in kind. Those men were gonna kidnap an 8 year old to sell her as a slave and do gruesome things to, they deserved it.

@@ligmafigma9631 I never said those Guys didn’t deserve it. We all know those guys were going to kidnap them and do bad things. But I’m not arguing that. What 8 year old do you know can stab somebody multiple times like that with no remorse. Not even mikasa could bring herself to do it until eren convinced her. Even zeke was shocked when they were in the memories. And yes eren is definitely a monster the story has established that multiple times. Like I said mikasa always reflects back at that moment.

At least Eren still felt remorse over the Genocide, his loyal fans who "understand" him seem to like the Genocide he commits more than he himself does. Imagine the man committing a Global Extinction has more remorse and sadness over it than his supposed loyal fan base? That part always made me laugh. I get why he's doing the Rumbling (even though he shouldn't be Rumbling Hizuru considering they were the Old Eldian Empire's only ally and Paradis' only current one) and if I were in his spot then yeah I'd want my people and homeland to be safe, but best believe I wouldn't try to be all "Oh well, the rest of the entire planet deserves it", as if Paradis getting attacked is the ultimate evil. Like, the fact Paradis is the one that gets to decide if Humanity lives or dies is EXACLTY the reason the World Rebelled and the world hates Eldians in the first place. It's not the fault of the Subjects of Ymir today who were born in peace time, no, but it's also not fair for everyone to act as if the world should just open up their arms to the race of Titan-turning humanoids like they weren't the ones who subjugated most of the world over their 2,000 year conquest

He never got to it

Everyone is a slave to something Kenny Ackerman said that and that is true even today. While no one is a slave physically some of them are slaves within their minds permanently

@@joshuahecht6866 Well as is shown the mind is a powerful thing

lol he was radicalized in episode 1. it wasnt gradual and there was no progression. he sees his mom get eaten and vows to kill them all.

But his character was contradicted by Yams by the end sooooo ur statement is false

@@exclusiveoro5349 doesn’t contradict his nature, did you watch the video he explained all this

@@egp2497 ending is good cope

@@exclusiveoro5349 No it wasnt lol its the same character

@@hentaihut4043 I said it was good or bad? I’m neutral in all this, I just know how great of a story was told, y’all fans who mad about the ending are just mad and can’t accept yams did not write Eren like you wanted him to write him, the cards was there for both you can say, but he went with something different, Eren decision to destroy the world was not a man who destroyed the world because he had too, or because he wanted to take all sins of the world and become a devil, this was a guy obsessed with a unobtainable dream, and knew what he was doing was wrong but still ahead and went and did it, he did it because he want to and he was selfish because his plan didn’t account for what his friends wanted, he didn’t want them to continue of line of kids eating their parents but that wasn’t really his call to make. What he did was not at all selfless letting go of your dream for others is selfless but Eren couldn’t do that

The beauty being the wall? lel

@@fusiontoa18 No it's the good memories he shared with Armin, Mikasa.

@@thanhnguyensolo i think youre wrong, he valued them plenty. Infact he valued them so much, he was willing to go that far to protect them.

@@fusiontoa18 true man that's exactly why he did all of this

Eren was freedom in its purest form. Being restricted within 3 fucking walls waiting for the world to drop bombs on you and your people for merely existing doesn't equate to "beauty lying in front of his eyes". If anything that just means sheer ignorance.

Oh there is much more. That is the basis on what the story is telling. The war and the players in it serve as the stage for the bigger story of questioning humanity and why we do things, and what drives us to quote "Die for our dreams" even if we may never see them realized. Kenny Ackerman's death tells the whole story. "Everybody had to be drunk on something" which allows us, the viewer, to think about our ambitions and goals and why we seek them. Are they noble? Are they worthwhile? What are we willing to do for them? How far are we willing to go? Those questions are at the heart of the AOT in my opinion as we follow characters who constantly are pushing towards some type of goal and are willing to throw everything away for it. Eren, Reiner, Erwin, Kenny. These are a few examples of people who were willing to sacrifice everything just to obtain their true goal, what mattered to them, and only them.

@@handlerone5172Yeah you make an interesting point in that it's also about human ambition as well. And how we as people get so caught up in our own goals and beliefs that we can fail to see the greater picture of things.

And yet many anime fans refused to analyze it beyond the motivation and limited POV of the characters.

@@devonwilliams136 That’s really interesting! I think there are several themes in the story. The nature of dreams, freedom, and ambitions. Hope in the face of hopeless circumstances. There are Interesting sub plot themes about authority, freedom of information, relationships, the tension between duty and personal desires, etc. But I think, in terms of Erin’s character, we are forced to confront a rather uncomfortable truth. Even the most evil among us still exist on a continuum of humanity. The genocidal maniac is entirely human, even sympathetic. That’s why the story is so powerful and controversial I think.

@@reybladen3068 probably because it tried to be deep when it came off as an unmitigated disaster.

Someone said Zeke was the son Paradis Grisha wanted and Eren was the son Marley Grisha wanted And that makes a lot of sense

@@SGCentral yup yup yup. I agree too

Eren vs Ymir would be another good nature vs nurture analysis.

@@thehermitman822 fr and they be similar

Eren, Reiner and Zeke are all the biggest parallels between each other in my eyes. Eren - willing to sacrifice the world to save his loved ones Reiner - willing to sacrifice himself to save his loved ones and the world Zeke - willing to sacrifice his loved ones to save the world

Indeed. It has huge flaws imo but the core story and the work on Eren’s character is so intensely fascinating.

Huge flaws?like?

@@Ismael-kc3ry Yeah I agree with @Avid, what flaws? Don't tell me you are one of those people who think Attack on Titan is a positive view on Fascism? You're not right?

​@@Ismael-kc3ry care to elaborate about those flaws you talk about? I'm curious.

@@CephalonAxii I do not lmao, AoT was far from perfect before it ended. That doesn’t stop it from being one of my favorite stories of all time.

freedom can not be granted it must be taken max stirner

@@christiangonzalez6945 someone's freedom is someone else's chains

**Shinso Sasageyo playing while world gets rumbled** "Did someone ask for F R E E D O M?"

No your not slave for following your ambitions. People need to stop using that quote to call everybody a slave.

“Everyone had to spend their lives drunk on something” It’s saying that Eren is a slave to his goal of being free and that he’ll do whatever it takes to reach freedom. The irony is that he can never reach total freedom so he’ll always be chasing after that goal. Hence a slave to it

for me, the show lost its magic the moment they introduced all that pagan nonsense and the outside world.

@@nullakjg767 huh without the outside world the whole plot makes zero sense hahaha that’s actually crazy

@@jareddesilva6957 it makes aboslutely zero sense that they let their most hated enemies live on an island to seek revenge. Historia, the memory horseshit. Time travel. It was incredibly nonsensical and stupid. AOT is like the anime version of game of thrones. Started off strong and got mega stupid.

@@nullakjg767 There are more nonsensical pieces of fiction out there than AOT, what separates it though are it’s core themes on war, ethnic cleansing, violence, political corruption, religion, propoganda and how they connect to our world. Honestly, season 3 and 4 elevate the show to another level, the world building is masterclass. But you do you I guess.

@@brycelacy3545 Nah the world they built was just a cheap imitation of ours. It was actually unique when it was walled off surrounded by titans. They couldve done all the things you mentioned without a 21st century time skip. Everyone clowns on AOT, just because there is worse stuff out there doesnt mean what they did was good.

You dont need to even go past the first episode. He literally says he wont rest until he exterimates every last one. The whole reason he was an interseting MC is he wanted to be hitler to the titans. (which then extended to the people who surrounded them by titans)

@@nullakjg767 there's a reason the shirts wore by the survey cops resemble the ones the nazi were

@@nullakjg767 omg yo you right. Especially with all the german, and SS Gastapo & Jewish vibes. He was hitler of it all. Ironic it came from Paradis & not Marley.

@@SoLoboo No he was nothing like H. You missed the whole point. He was not based on H at all. Idk why tf people say this. Eren doesn't care about ethnicity like he did. Eren only cares about freedom. Get that in your head. H and Eren are totally different

@@zub41r75 they both blamed a group of ppl for their plight and came up with a final solution.

It was always dark tbh, just the depth of darkness increased. Went from Titans eat Humans to world genocide

AoT was never light. People were being picked up and crunched left and right like apples.

It’s honestly hilarious how early attack on Titan does feel “lighter”. Because it’s just really violent and a lot of characters die, but thematically it’s honestly a little uplifting, because through all the darkness and the odds against them, Eren and his friends don’t give up and are fighting towards freedom. And ironically, the thing that makes the story so unbelievably dark in the end isn’t that humanity is nearly extinct, it’s that they’re alive. That’s the horrifying truth. They’re alive and well, and they’re all coming for Paradis.

Do you mean the first 5 minutes of the first episode?

The training arc is also comparatively light, given it is just the interactions between potential cadets like a typical military manga. Otherwise, there is the celebration after the second Shiganshina war. That is it for the light moments.

When I first read the manga when it came out, I was a bit disappointed and confused and it felt like too much, but this video cleared up so much and now I hold the ending as a very good wrap-up to an amazing story. The anime also executed a few flaws in the manga so thats a cherry on top

Same

Agreed completely. The only flaw ending has that its very confusing especially for normies

I guess grisha would have still killed them, eren just made the work faster

@@ErutuffLOL he took the responsibility away from his father so he could blame him instead.

​@@navidvarzeghani2789 I like your thought A *LOT* 🤯 I never realized that!! Really thank u for posting your idea

What is your definition of being free in aot universe?

He is free now. He was before he killed first as a child and is with his dead. His sacrificing gave him freedom in a complex and tragic way i could explain with my worse english haha.

@@GutsandBlood231 he realised what freedom is and he realized 2 things . 1st people of the world would not be free while eldians live . But free from fear not from bondage or slavery. 2nd Eldians cant live freely while their enemy exists. Cause if Eren didnt provoke war. Marley wouldve been back with more firepower and men . And if he just gave up on rumbling world leaders would ask for him to stand trial and Paradise people would have to pay reparations and would be hated by other people cause they are titans and they tried starting the war.

@@hpmasterswagestgames985 exactly👌🏼 but it is even more complicated. My English is just not good enough to explain more deeply. But overall you nailed it:D

@@GutsandBlood231 it seems good enough to understand 👍

Can't agree more

Deep.

Well said that’s why eren’s is such a tragic character

Perfectly said.

Now you understand the core of at least part of his character, the one that is visibly presented to us.

Totally agree. Those who only condemn Eren but think Armin's gang is on the right side annoyed me. They still stuck in the black and white.

He became a doomsday weapon as soon as he goes god mode. He could simply exist at that point and no one would think of messing with Paradis. He could even send out colossal titans to stand guard around other nations and always be on standby. There more options than the extremes.

yet the eren loyalists with 0 analytical skill will go "but-but isayama just randomly made eren a monster for no reason"

Indeed.

Yes. I'm a bit confused with argument that he is the person titans made. Once he had opportunity to influence people to do something about past he influenced his father to do bad things. He essentially made sure he grows up angry.

his goal certainly changed in chapter 139 lol

Yes, Eren's goal never changed. Prior to his knowledge that humans exist outside the walls, Eren saw the Titans being an obstacle to that freedom he desired - a beautiful world beyond the "remaining" humans and inhabitants of Paradis where he could do anything he wants and pleases. However, after Eren realized it was not true and that there is humanity beyond the walls, deep inside he wants to hold on dearly to his child-like notion of freedom that he initiated The Rumbling when given the power, since he basically saw the human beings outside Paradis as an obstacle to the goal. This ironically makes him a slave to what he perceives as freedom, and Isayama wants to make it clear to us that Eren's character has always been way more twisted than we think all along.

Why you yellin???? Jk lol Scream it loud and proud from the rooftops, so many people seemed to have missed this core aspect of his character fr

The story of aot Is the story of a sadistic fake God Who manipulated events to scorch the Planet

The ending made it pretty clear that Eren is both the protagonist and the hero.

Dumbass 😭

Incorrect, he likens himself to Reiner because they both kill many innocent ppl for their selfish naive dream

He's not bound to his fate. He literally said he wanted to see this sight "pertaining to the massacre". And Reiner did want to be praised for doing his Job as a warrior. He went back and decided to destroy the world because he wanted to prove to anyone that he is worthy. Like the armored titan was supposed to be Pocks. So both Eren and Reiner are selfish. The reason why Eren said that he has no other choice was because he is convinced from the very beginning that his concept of freedom was other people taking it away from him and when they do they will take theirs. Its like he was set in stone that the enemy was outside the walls. So for him to cry is just the self justification between his ideals and the world that he had understood for almost 4 years. He just can't give up what he had already set in mind. Just as how Isayama said when he started writing AOT he had already an ending in mind and that he just can't change it because that's what he already set his mind onto. Unlike Reiner who at least had a character arc that he is indeed remorseful of what he had done, Eren didn't. He is remorseful but he choose to make thia idealized version of freedom come to life. Hence the scene where he is flying in the clouds of the rumbling. Eren is the antagonist of the story, if you would put him in the context of simple right and wrong. But the story itself its so complex like the more the story progresses, the more that we can see the other side of the coin. Its so hard to just be a right and wrong story. I believe Eren just choose to stick to what he believes in the first place. He is no saint, he is just a human.

Either he saw the extra panels or he's a genius. The extra panels show Paradis getting destroyed by what was probably Marley

@@epRivera you don't really have to be a genius. Besides the whole philosophy that "humanity will always fight each other until there is one person or less remaining", it was pretty evident that the remaining 20% would destroy paradise. What was unexpected was that the marleyans at fort salta didn't shoot all the eldians the moment eren died.

@@luceafarul5740 that's the point that my friend trying to elaborate. Humans always get drawn to a conflict

except, we see planes coming from OUTSIDE the island, how are eldians infighting? if anything Marley has shown they start every conflict and them being saved for the consequences of their actions is a mistake that repeats itself, how would anyone negotiate with entities that don't want to negotiate

Shitty headcanon, there no reasons for them to fight eachother .

I've seen this comment before, but from where?

But yeah, this comment are actually well said from whoever wrote it in the past.

Ken kaneki is one of the best protagonists I’ve watched

I think I'd put Eren on the same level as Griffith

Guts is leagues above Eren, he would not cry for Casca being with another man and for her to think about him for 10 years at least. He died like a little bitch.

Exept that isn't really the subtext is it? It's your interpretation and I respect that, It's a good opinion. But the writing in that line is terrible. Armin asks him why he committed mass genocide and he literally says: ''I don't know.'' that is horrible dialogue.

@@eserey Except that is the subtext, isn't it? It's the subtext I've seen many people bring up and agree on and I haven't really seen any other opposing general consensus surrounding the line. Especially since the line directly lines up with Isayama's 2017 about Himeanole where he talks about how it made him think outside of the social norms of right and wrong, who is to blame if someone is born a serial killer and him saying he wanted the ending of AoT to reflect this rather than passing judgement on what's right. If people don't like the line itself, and how it's worded or wanted more from it then that's fine but I think the explanation behind why Eren says it is pretty self explanatory. The interview in question; www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/nv5qxq/how_minoru_furuyas_manga_himeanole_influenced/

@@drunkeldian3150 I agree it’s all in the subtext. I re-read the last two volumes of AOT (131 - 139) and I appreciate that line so more now than I did before. I also love how it was the man bun version of Eren that Isayama chose for this scene because everyone saw that version as a child but all Isayama did was break that facade Eren put up. AOT is so fucking good man!

Funny enough, I hated this line. Eren already explained why he wanted to rumble the world in 131 which chronologically speaking, happened before the Eren/Armin conversation. Now he just forgot. I can buy the he may have lost sight of his true goal, but we don’t ever see his process of realizing that and the next thing to come out of Armin’s mouth is “thank you”. There are some interesting themes here, but they were poorly executed and that’s where all the polarization came from. Also, a better example where this theme is executed is in Naoki Urasawa’s Monster with the character Capek.

Sounds dumb

remember that movie lmao

Pfft

​@@fusiontoa18hater Sakura fan

no the ending doesn't make sense it assasinated his character

@@jojomahmoud5752 re-read aot mate

he is the so called "villain" at the end since he is the one with all the power. He sacrificed his humanity in order to rise above monsters which was Marley and the world. At the end of the day they were all most likely evil. Eren just became the absolute evil to stabilize the world for an amout of time since if good exist evil will too.

@@jojomahmoud5752 so what is Eren for you?

@@rosegiogio9255 he probably thinks eren hates his friends and wants to fuck historia

Exactly! Finally someone understands it..!!!

I think the charactor of Gabi is what Isayama really think about the nature of war. She is what Eren could have been if he has a different life experience. She grew from the worst eldian-hater and someone who wants completely annihilation of her enemy, to become someone who can sympathize and forgive her enemy for the sake of overall well being of humanity, instead of only for the well being of her tribe of people. Her change is through experiences and communication with her enemy. Gabi is what Eren could have been (Gabi also kinda looks like Eren... Falco is also what mikasa could have been if mikasa confesses her love to Eren). Eren didn't learn to sympathize his enemy, to care about his enemy, nor to care about overall well being of humanity. He only want the complete annillation of his enemy... but Gabi is able to change this mindset. If most people in our real world can be like Gabi who is capable of change, capable of sympathizing her enemy, and capable of valuing overall well being of humanity over her own tribe.... our world would be such a better and peaceful place.

Its about tragedy of endless conflict/war

That means he failed because how the war turned out didn't make sense.

Not only the manga, but also the songs "Akatsuki no Requiem" and "To you in 2000 years or 20,000 years later" have interesting lyrics that depict war.

While I can see where you're coming from with this statement I don't think it's quite accurate yes u can make the statement that he probably was dissapointed when viewing the outside world but no concrete evidence points towards him destroying the world simply for that reason, could it be a motivating factor, probably, but I'm sure he wouldn't have destroyed the world if the humans weren't hostile towards him simply because it was shown that he gave the world a chance to change their minds on attacking Paradis for four years but instead he had to hear that he is being painted as a villain in the Willy Tybur speech and him gathering the global alliance (which is basically the world) to attack Paradis Island to take the founder in order to "save the world" and he was even willing to wait until that speech was pretty much over in order to solidify his conviction of attacking Marley which later on resulted in him doing a full scale rumbling. Some people may say "Armins 50 year rumbling plan was the best option simply because it will buy them time to make a concrete plan" and to that I say what makes them sure that it will take 50 years before they attack, what if it's 30 years or 10 years or even 5 years since the mechanical anti-titan power is so ever developing and Eren is stated to not wanting to leave the Island to fate and added to the fact that he had about 4 years left to live (I think correct me if I'm wrong) resulted in him taking action immediately for his Island and his friends. Some people may say "well at least Zeke's plan is better than Eren's plan" and to that I say in what way since it's literally the same thing Marley is doing except in a more "peaceful manner" in other words it's peaceful genocide against Paradis Island which is also messed just as messed up and that is due to him having daddy issues. Some people may say "but he's doing the rumbling anyway and genocide is wrong which makes eren wrong exc." and yeah genocide is wrong no kidding but take into account on why Marley attacked Paradis Island in the first place, why is it that it took over a hundred years for Marley to attack Paradis Island at least aggressively, some will say "well that's because of the deal between the Tybur family and Karl Fritz which stated that the king will accept Paradis fate if they were ever attacked due to the sins they committed during the Great Titan War and now they are reaping what they sow due to that history" and yes while some of those points might be true it still doesn't answer the question as to why they attacked and the why is pretty simple, they wanted the resources of Paradis Island which is the founder in order to take control over the rumbling for their wars since war mechanics were catching up to the Titan power it's as simple and Paradis Island being painted as devils was just a cop out and a very strong motivator since the world hates Eldians so much in order for them to fulfil they're own selfish desires to stay on top and this is a result of their over reliance on the titan power in order to win ther wars, in other words they shot themselves in the foot and as a result they now want an easy way out(kinda reminds me of the United States but I digress). As a result they became what they were fighting against which is a running theme in the show which applies to Marley, Hange, Historia and funnily enough Eren. All these points is the reason why eren chose the rumbling in the first place and as a child he always lived by his philosophy of "if anyone tries to take my freedom I won't hesitate to take theirs" which is what should be pointed out, his version of the outside world was simply "freedom" and people seem to over complicate simply because there is no such thing as a free world, it's a concept hard to grasp simply because it hasn't been truly experienced by anybody at and that a whole other topic on its own that I don't wanna get into and Eren having the mindset of being upset due to the people having the AUDACITY to exist isn't valid due to the points I have made and him crying in front of Ramzi in and while you can say that he doesn't understand what Eren is saying he can see the remorseful emotion that he is putting out there for him to see and it is known that emotion is easier to understand than words. In other words with this Eren situation it is just a "If you poke the bear don't be surprised if it comes and attacks you" situation and Eren being shown as a kid is simply because he is finally attaining the freedom he so longed for as a kid albeit in a messed up way and the book fantasy thing was just an extention of the freedom he longed . So in conclusion Eren is a character that was literally backed into a corner and as a result has committed great atrocities due to him being in that corner oh and he wants freedom and his dissapointment towards humanity is a result of what they're capable of. I wanna bring my own interpretation but it could be a bit inaccurate, I think why Eren was so disappointed when he realized humanity lived outside the walls is because for some of the reasons you stated above aside from him wanting to kill everybody for that reason but also because he knew humanity was capable of ruining that fantasy for him like the titan walls have, added to the fact that his home got destroyed and he got betrayed by the very same people that made his life a living hell in the first place and that the king was literally in the way between him and freedom and the memories he collected from previous titan shifters and it's not hard to see why he would be dissapointed with humanity existing in the outside world. Sorry if there's some words missing or spelling errors I was to lazy to re-read everything to see if I made any mistakes

Pretty sure thats how Eren feels isayama make a comedy manga called School Scattates or whatever and In a chapter or page it shows him having a zombie dream and when he wakes up he is disappointed so it shows how Eren was even if there was peace in a set world

I agree, but I read it more like Eren is disappointed that he has to shift his hate from the titans (who don’t really have humanity and Eren doesn’t regret killing) to humans (who Eren clearly has a lot of issues with killing and constantly had to “hype himself up” for lack of a better term just to think about killing them). When it was just titans, Eren could kill every titan in the world, achieve the freedom he wanted, and be a hero. When it turns out that it was humans oppressing him, Eren had to do something a lot more difficult and a lot less heroic and simple.

Thank you,I'm tired of arguing with people who say eren was disappointed coz of racism towards eldians lol,which is in some way true but in ch131 he's not implying to that,like how can people forget armin was the one who gave eren a dream,in ch76 he says it himself that he didn't even cared about what was beyond the walls it was because of armin's eyes as he said after armin showed him that book,it ties perfectly to ch131 but somehow people keep ignoring it and still headcanon a complete different interpretation and when story goes on with canon stuff they call it a retcon, talk about stupidity

this. 100% this.

I don't think he corrupted freedom. This is the suffering of truly subjugated people, how can he win for those he cares about without sacrificing the world, without sacrificing humanity who was his true opponent all along

I mean, his reasons of the Rumbling and later why he changes his mind and supposedly never intended to fully go through with it kinda irked me Considering Eren's made it blatantly care he didn't want Paradis to be wiped out and he was doing this for the Eldian people on his homeland, as well as his close Friends/family, it makes no sense for him to risk everything on where Armin may or may not be able to convince the world into peace, which evidently he doesn't get everyone on board. I mean, he destroyed Hizuru despite them having been allied with the Old Eldian Empire as well as Paradis currently, and it was clear he'd be killing even innocent Eldians who were unlucky enough to be born outside of Paradis. This guy suddenly says that all Ymir did was because she was in love with Fritz and interested in Mikasa's love life... for some reason, and Eren had no intention on protecting Paradis, maybe only protecting his friends for a few decades at best, even though if THAT was what he wanted, he could've done the partial Rumbling and it would've had the same effect, even without the Euthanasia Plan So not only does his desire and will go into question, but now his mindset also seems to have been so backwards that it makes him come off as an incompetent idiot. Saying he's doing this to protect Paradis and its future knowing damn well that just letting himself get killed and watching as his comrades like Floch and Hange go through to such lengths and hardship with everyone around him just for such a shitty result. He killed his own mother but had the audacity to ask Reiner why his mom died (like bruh, what? 🤔), went to such lengths despite having no intention on seeing things through, hell, even Zeke's intelligence was butchered whilst sticking with Armin in paths. So much BS, not even just including Eren, that makes my head spin 🙄

@@thalmoragent9344 you say that eren asks reigner why his mom died even tho he killed his mom. But the eren in Marley didn’t know he was the one killed his mom because that was future paths eren doing that. And even if he did he could of ask reigner that because he just wanted to know reigners perspective of how things played out. About the zeke part. You do know that the reason why zeke wants to get rid of eldians is solely based on because of his own trauma with his dad and family. Which lead him to think life is meaningless. In zekes whole life he couldn’t find meaning. Chapter 137 was a perfect conclusion for zeke. The reason why the conversation between armin and zeke work so well is because zeke was never a bad/evil person. Zeke was never some final boss. What simply happened was zeke and armin both gave there opinions on what they think the meaning in life is. And they both came to a common ground that it’s the little things in life that give there lives meaning. For zeke it was baseball. Baseball is a huge part of zekes character and he loved playing it and it gave his life meaning but he was never able to realize until his final conversation with armin. Everything that happens in that chapter and the rest of the chapter gives all the characters amazing conclusions

Yeah the more I read about Eren the more I realized I never understood him. I feel like I understand him more now and I love his character even more but I'm unsure about what to feel about him as a person. And I think I finally understood his "We're the same" line with Reiner. Both justifying their actions with noble reasons but they did it out of selfish reasons. And still kept going despite understanding the other side's situation.

@@aarontsafack16 That’s not true at all, Eren knew he killed his mom since pre time skip after he kissed Historia’s hand.

Living up to that name I see.

Carla Yeager: Nope, I said it first! So property of the Yeager family.

I think calling Eren a villain is underselling evil or good does not exist we humans created morals for the good of society and for selfish reasons but Eren is different Eren is a different kind of monster a Monster whos lost never ever finding the true reason why he kept moving forward eren was so free that he allowed himself to never be happy

@@BlingTheSlim imo Eren was the never truly free til his death since he knew his fate which meant he knew he was destined to do it, whether it was predetermined by a force or just that was his own actions but he now knows what he’ll do we’ll never know. That’s why I think the line of “I just did it” was a thing because he kept following his destiny that he could never escape but it at least freed his friends from their destiny of death by titans.

That line wasn't animated, was it? I'm here the day after the anime ended and I don't remember reading/hearing that

@@-paul-2191 It was the "splash text" written at the end of chapter 138. There were lines like this at the last page of each chapter in the monthly release, although it probably was the editor that wrote these just to keep the readers hyped for the next chapter.

Maybe Marley shouldve just dropped a line

nah i still think he is the hero of the story

According to literature Eren is the protagonist because he is pushing the story forward. Eren, Mikasa & Armin would all be main characters because we’re following what happens to them. Eren is the hero because we align w/ his (initial) goals, but he stops being the hero for us depending on where we don’t agree with his goals anymore. For some, it’s the Rumbling, for others, it’s giving up completing the Rumbling. And for some of us, he never stops being the hero. But at no point is he the villain. In fact, AoT has antagonists, who change throughout the story as more is learned, but in the end, arguably, there is no villain. Everyone acted according to the things that happened to them. The only “bad guy” not fleshed out was the original Fritz that enslaved Ymir’s people, but I bet it was a warring-states period on earth, meaning tribes were all fighting m for power and killing & enslaving each other. He ended up bringing an end to that age using Ymir’s Titan power & becoming King. Either everyone was bad for good reason or everyone was good for bad reasons.

@@APrime25 Well said, heroes and villains don’t exist in Attack on Titan. It’s just who’s alive and why

@@WillemDefoe While I agree, there are two exceptions. Levi, and Armin. Both of these people were willing to give up their goals and aspirations to ensure humanity's survival. They always put everyone else before themselves. They're heroes in every sense of the word. Hell, even the title of the episode where Armin dies in Shiganshina is called Hero.

Wow, this is touching now. Imagine the whole world wanted to kill the Gaza strip. Would you activate the Rumbling?

@@alidirie2835 this is was my comment by the way from this very account lol! I believe my account got hacked! How did that even happen? Anyway; of course not we want peace. I just would seek for freedom by resisting the oppression 🤍

@@suleimangh definitely! Inshallah Palestine will be free!!!

but he totally didn't stand by that quote with the ending

@@uhlexseeuh because mikasa killed him

@@aarontsafack16 he let her

It's no longer a fight if no one can compete against you. Just slaughter.

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You nailed it. You understand Eren completely, you also get why Isayama wrote the other characters around him full of growth and acceptance. It wasn't enough that Eren knew of the ocean like Armin. It wasn't enough to overcome inner conflict like Jean, and it wasn't enough to fight for and with others instead of wanting to be the hero like Reiner. No, Eren wanted things his way and only his way. Like a child.

Mhmmm the mikasa one could a somewhat, depending on how you look at it (talking about the extra pages iin the manga). The test is post on

Hmm I agree and yet disagree. Sure Eren was selfish but I personally still felt that his selfishness was a much more realistic depiction of human nature than the idealism shown by Armin and the others. He also truly wanted what was the best for his people. He didn't go with Armin's short term rumbling plan cos it would've just delayed the war and then the next gen would be burdened by it thus achieving nothing. Eren had always been obsessed with freedom and didn't wanna restrict the freedom of the next gen kids of Paradise by taking away their childhoods. That's why he was against Zeke's euthanization plan as well. Also there was no way that a relatively tech backward area like Paradise could catch up to the rest of the world who had already started achieving advancements in anti-titan technology. Further, when Eren said that he was disappointed (in chp 131 I think) he was actually referring to the entire human race and not just Marleyans. He was disappointed in humanity itself. He perhaps started thinking along the same lines as Erwin- that as long as humans exist the cycle of hatred and revenge would forever continue and lets be honest he was proven right at the end. Up until then he used to think that the titans were his enemies and he now realised that humanity itself was the biggest enemy all along. Talking about the likes of Armin, Jean etc I personally wasn't a huge fan of the morality and idealism being displayed by them. I dunno but it just felt too unrealistic and shonen-esque. You have the entire world willing to destroy you and your people for merely existing and here you are trying to talk about ideals. Armin legit couldn't come up with a good enough plan to save Paradise in all those time skip years which only further pushed Eren down the path of destruction. Again I'm not saying Eren was all innocent either. He had always had darkness deep inside of him and the world's actions only brought it out more and more. I just personally found Eren a lot more realistic character as a victim of war than the others. Just imagine a teenager having to witness the fucked up future and realising that he's the one who'll have to do it all. All of this would be too much to handle for anybody let alone Eren who always had that darkness inside of him. Eren was freedom in its purest form and to achieve that he was willing to do anything. It doesn't make his actions morally right but I personality could understand where he was coming from. It was a situation of kill or be killed after all.

@@vihan3423 you're missing the point about him having a perverted view of freedom. Yes you're right the world was fucked up but also he was fucked up as well. Genocide was not the answer, it's an extreme that had no justification. Yes the world was cruel, however this story isn't so much on the solution of the problem as it is the exploration of a character who doesn't wanna fight his nature of being. The extra pages in the volume show Paradis getting completely wiped out a century later so his plan only did even MORE prolonging than Armins plan would've. The cycle of hatred would never be defeated and probably won't ever because humanity is just cruel. There definitely would've been a dispute in Paradis if there would have been a total genocide in the yeats to come. There's really no solution to the cycle of hatred if we're being honest.

If eren's arc was about learning empathy and accepting reality then it just makes all his actions look stupid. He had a whole breakdown infront ramzi where he basicly tells the kid that he has to die because he CAN'T accept reality for how it is. U telling me that after killing ramzi and billions of others he can finally put humanity above his own goals and let the remaining 20% live.. Like my mans empathy came at the worst possible time. If he realized he had emotions sooner the world would of been saved lol. That's just cheap IMO As for the other characters they just turned into hypocrites. Armin can justify blowing up a port, and letting all of humanity within the walls die off but not what eren's doing. Jean is currently working with Marco's killers in order to guarantee the destruction of Paradis. And he killing his comrades to do it. Isn't that exactly how Marco died, by being betrayed by his so called comrades. jean just created more Marco's when he killed the yeagerists and so did Connie. Mikasa nvr took off the damn scarf or got over her infatuation with eren. And reiners sniffin letters now.

You know I have the same thinking now

How is wanting to be free from racism and violence negative freedom? You guys are trying to be to deep.

Ymir smiled, because Mikasa was able to kill the person she loved the most, when it was solution . Ymir cant do it. There is no paraller between Mikas,Eren, King and so on. Eren loved Mikasa and he was giving her comfort. And the point is Mikasa was always free. So you dont get it right. Her love wasnt selfish ,she wasnt caged, she was always free. Any strong love is a cage and slavary, if we gonna think your way

Well, we can also agree to have different interpretations of the same characters/stories, but to respond to your point: I think the point of Mikasa's story was to be free. I think she IS free by the end of the story, but she wasn't at the beginning (most characters aren't free in SNK, they are pushed in a certain direction because of circumstances, roles, etc), mostly because of Eren but not entirely. And I'm also not saying loving Eren was a bad thing for Mikasa - it's just that Eren is bad for the world, and even Mikasa can't help but recognise this truth in the end (even if this Eren was always there, to a degree). Mikasa was selfless, to love Eren so much and to support his dreams for most of their time together. Mikasa is one of the most selfless character, because she sacrifices her wants (living a peaceful life with Eren) to save the world. She becomes free (from Eren, but not from her love for him) as the story evolves, but I'm not saying it's not a painful process. Finally no, not "any strong love is a cage and slavery", because not all strong love are toxic and include the leader of a genocide. Love can become abuse and toxicity if there is an imbalance in power, if one or both partners are toxics and evil, but it isn't the "strong" part that makes this love bad. Look at other SNK pairings: they are strong but they aren't comparable to Eren/Mikasa, simply because Eren isn't a part of them. @@user-df8lp9zq8s

100% agree his facial expressions in 139 are so important

The main problem of chapter 139 Is that Is rushed If It was 2 or 3 chapters It would have been better

Eren is anything but selfish, and Armin made that pretty clear to anyone who read the story, not to mention he said himself that Eren's actions was for their sake. That wishy-washy-ness you're refering to has to do with Isayama's inspiration from The Mist. Check out what he said about that story's MC, and the listen to what he said about "Eren is back" in the ending, and you'll be able to put 2 and 2 together.

I personally agree too. Isayama is basically trying to showcase that Eren is way more twisted than we think.

So in other words he was a fascist

Except he have power of a titan.

The creator already stated this

Even though I hate it you're not lying not one bit because Gabby is his foil character somebody exactly like him but on the different side

And yet... Gabi saw the errors of her ways...

@@KatherinaBathory Does Eren not?

@Truth seeker Thing is, what avenue did people want? That's my curiosity.

@Truth seeker I feel the exact same way ngl.

@@TheInfamousWolf I don't know really. Just not an ending like the one that we got. But I'm not a talented writer that is being paid to write AOT, so I'm not gonna think of what ending could be better. That was Isayama's job

@@TheInfamousWolf for Eren to live, end the curse of ymir and put an end to the cycle by destroying the world and anyone who stands in his way. instead he destroys 80% of the world he dies and the ending turns into a romance lmao

@@TheInfamousWolf They want the story to validate their childish worldview, to romanticize fascism

There it is “ you just didn’t understand the story “ the argument always used to defend garbage writing

@@valdrindodaj5029 If you think Eren is stupid or did not understand what he was doing or you thought that his only goal was to protect the island, then you don’t understand Eren. Please though, what did you not like about Eren?

@@djco8919 he literally doesn’t even know why he killed billions of people, how can you look at this and say it’s good writing imagene luffy saying he didn’t know why he wanted to become the pirate king or naruto saying he doesn’t know why he wants to become hokage , this guy literally contradicts himself multiple times in the same chapter, he says he was moving forward for mikasa than says he was going to move forward even if the alliance stopped him than he says he was moving forward because of fate and then he cried because he doesn’t want mikasa to find another man “ oH he just human being “ fuck you with cheap argument you can use that argument to defend every garbage writing so shut up , your own arguments prove that you are wrong the the arguments from ending defenders always contradict each other , I have heard 10 different arguments why eren said he dosent know why did the rumbling, you use Stockholm syndrome as an excuse for ymir love while having 0 knowledge of how SS actually works,you guys literally think that we hated the ending because it wasn’t happy this prove that you haven’t even tried to understand us

@@djco8919 ignore him people like him don’t have an argument for why they hate Eren’s conclusion and their problems go far beyond the story they just try to bait you into a never ending argument just to waste yours and their time. I just usually agree to disagree with them because it is not with the hassle debating them

@@MrJCarter8 i literally just posted a whole essay on why the ending is garbage and your still saying we don’t have an argument

And i think he cares abt the ppl he killed bc of the rumbling a lot but he is just torn his dream and his friends are worth more for him then those other ppl/he said for him there is no past or future for him its all at the same time some maybe thats the problem he cant let go some dreams

We all were in relative agreement with who Eren was originally but, post-timeskip, it feels as though people accepted the persona Eren was putting on as his true identity, having fully realized his potential. The fact that we stopped getting much of his POV should've been a sign that this was just an act but some folks really wanted to see Eren as this freedom fighting, 4d chess playing gigachad, ignoring all of the aspects of his that we _already knew_ were core to his character. I love Eren, but I could never have accepted the Eren that many of those who hated his breakdown in 139 wanted him to be. It's like they superimposed themselves onto a fake character and were disappointed when he turned out to still be a mentally broken, teenaged boy who had feelings...

​@@yuukichan12Couldn't have reasoned this better. Exactly.

Yeah because all the other approaches failed.

you are so wrong its funny