Thanks for coming by and giving this one a shot. I definitely had a lot of reading after that video happened and I try to learn here. Last one was definitely a bit of a knee-jerk reaction, but that's part of the small-channel learning experience I suppose

Reality check, Apple's pc market is only 8%. they contribute nothing but anti trust practices that other companies follow since Apple gets to get away with it for way too long. I'm hoping the EU strangle holds that sham of a company and exposes their flim flammery out to the public.

You do realize you can plug multiple displays into a single type c right?

@@CoilWhine Yea, that's my last resort. Just finding a laptop with multiple DP 1.4 ability on the type-c is hard enough (and not an Apple product).

I'm kind of waiting for someone to make dual Port sockets for them. I see no reason why you can't have a module that has two USB A ports, or you must be a port that also has an SD card slot in the same module. Or in your use case, a dual display port one.

@@MrGamelover23 They talk about issues with the controller fitting inside the socket or other issues with maintaining compatibility or integrity for things like dual type C ports being able to both do display out.

This is exactly what I plan to do for every one of my luddite family members who's isn't remotely interested in the latest tech as long as it works. I immediately bought Framework's latest batch the moment I saw my brother's cracked screen on his 10 year old laptop and looked up what was involved in replacing just his display. No thank you . He breaks Framework's display, I know exactly where to go and know for sure it won't be a chore to fix it while not costing an arm and a leg.

Thanks, I tried to give it a better chance after practically living in their forums for a month. I definitely learned a bit about the tech, and a lot about how to approach a topic in terms of tone. Still a learning process for us here!

Idk, I checked the forums a lot about the issues and honestly they're relatively minor. Trackpad didn't seem too bad, though it probably sucked for the first couple of guys. Thermal paste is also easy enough to replace, it's not a _widespread_ issue, but it's got a decent forum thread. Buzzing audio is one of those issues that's been difficult to replicate from what I hear, but it might be some sort of grounding issue. I tried asking people about what chargers they were using and if it happened while on battery but it was mixed. CPU is what it is. I just feel like it's a mediocre generation from intel and it's frustrating because the next gen is going to be a significant increase (unlike the usualy 3-5% gen over gen improvements we've gotten used to). Overall it's not bad, I'm just waiting on the marketplace and pricing of the upgrades/spare parts to really decide if this is the answer to our problems or not. A repairable laptop isn't that useful if the parts aren't around or are too expensive. I don't think that'll be a problem but the continued delays on the marketplace launch make me uneasy. I hope you enjoy it, I'm just personally waiting on a gen2 or 3 when it's a bit more refined (and when my laptop gets too slow). Thanks for the watch and the comment. What distro are you running btw?

@@CoilWhine Well, they're going to have some online marketplace for users to buy/sell parts so I guess one could get one now and then sell the motherboard when the next CPU generation happens. >What distro Guix

@@Gooberpatrol66 Yeah, I'm just wondering what the pricing will be. That'll be the big factor on if upgrading it is viable. Just gotta wait and see. >Guix I've never heard of that before. Neat

Yeah, DDR5 was something I didn't realize until I sat down for this video, it's definitely something that most of us weren't thinking about. The hot-swappable USB drive is neat, but it's still only running at USB speeds. I'll be looking forward to some crazy fast thunderbolt-level drives in the future, even if they're kind of excessive in a laptop. I just want to see some cool stuff come out since this platform definitely has potential. Thanks for the kind words, it would've been easier to ignore everyone but I wanted to put out a video that I could be proud of, criticisms or not. I'm definitely happier with this one and I'll keep trying to improve as we move forward.

@@CoilWhine Yeah man, keep at it :). I'm excited to see how both you and the company go in the future!

@@CoilWhine "[...]something most of us weren't thinking about." There is probably a good reason for that.

11th gen model now. 12th gen parts later next year and who knows what upgrade a couple of years later. Option to continue using old parts in a different chassis or trade-in old for new is possible too.

Yeah, MMX was a real letdown. It felt like nobody really wanted to support it, they just wanted you to _think_ that you could upgrade your gpu down the road. That's definitely not something FW has the ability to lobby for, and it's one of my bigger disappointments in the industry

when it comes to corporate it's all about the bottomline. Imagine an IT department having the ability to cheaply repair parts over time instead of adding to the e-waste of outdated equipment. instead of the pc maker swapping out devices it would be cost effective as well as time efficient to have a company department to do the same with very little training. Especially if the department requires certified staff.

@@riopato2009 you're right and wrong. It is about the bottom line......the bottom line next quarter. A corporation by law has to make maximum profit for investors so their planning rarely extends beyond the next 3 to 5 years with the focus on short term profits. It's why I tell people if you ever own a successful business and can avoid it don't go public.

@@markcarpenter6020 wise words!

yeah but reviewers basically panned it because "it felt cheap, looks like a bandaid, M7 is metal" and whatnot. The S5 is an excellent device and I _hate_ that it wasn't continued. That is kind of my point though. Tech enthusiasts love stuff like that, but the general public only cares about what's trendy, sleek, or whatnot. Thanks for the watch and comment though, I did follow up on this a month later with a bit more of a level head

Thunderbolt is going to be part of the USB standard I believe, so it should be coming to AMD soonish. It might take until Zen4 though, since I think we're getting one last Zen3+ platform before then.

@@CoilWhine there are already AMD desktop boards with working support for PCIe Thunderbolt controllers

Yeah, they definitely have my attention, especially with all of the funding they've been able to secure.

I don’t think his mom will let him use her credit card.

You're probably associating with tech-centric circles. If I show this to my mom, my boss, my brother, etc they won't care. They just go "it looks kinda like my mac" and that's it. Techies love to take their stuff apart, as do I. We're just a giant block of the market. We're a vocal _minority_. It's why phones are glued together slabs of glass without SD cards or replaceable batteries. Everyone wanted "premium" materials and "water resistance" so the manufacturers complied. I prefer a plastic phone myself but it's just not a common enough preference to find a high end phone with plastic, replaceable battery, AOSP, unlockable bootloader, SD card slot, headphone jack, etc. I'd love for it to happen, but there's not enough of us for samsung to care. Oneplus pretended to care but now they make the same crap as everyone else. That's the way the market works. As for getting my hands on one, I don't really need to spend 1k on a 4core laptop. I already have one and I've already used a device with the 1165g7. It's not that impressive and I wouldn't spend that kind of money on one personally. I'll wait for ryzen or alder lake, and I'll wait until I only have to buy DDR5 once and be able to transfer that to future upgrades if I feel the need. Seriously, Alder lake is going to smoke these CPUs and it's unfortunate that the framework is launching so close to the alder lake release. Take it as you will, these are just my thoughts and my experiences working with people that aren't very tech savvy.

@@fraciswolfgang2326 I appreciate the constructive reply to my video. I will try to incorporate your feedback in future videos. Be sure to get subscribed and ring that bell!

I'm new to this stuff but really how many components won't be replaceable if they go under? The bezel, main board, speakers, battery? How many of this components may end up with back stock by manufacturer and still available for years? How many compliments will there be that fit even if it wasn't designed for it? I'm still running a 2010 Thinkpad.

True. It's like electric vehicles or green energies. Those are not perfect yet so why should we use or jeopardize our money in them? Oil and tech companies products are very reliable and that's all that matters!

Ok boomer

Thanks! I spent a lot more time on this video between the FW forums and the comments here. I'll keep trying to improve the quality of the writing moving forward.

Yeah, I like Xiaomi. I bought a Poco F3 from Amazon _spain_ and had it shipped here. Fantastic value, shame it's almost impossible to get one that supports US bands. I had a huawei phone but the whole trade war and sanctions thing left it without any support. Huawei laptop is still kicking though

Your view on the cpu is totally fair, I guess I'm just spoiled by ryzen thread counts. The like/dislike is fine, it's better than my previous video on it (this is a much better revision). I think it's just that people are SUPER into right to repair and negativity towards the company is a strike against right to repair. I get it, I'm definitely about repairing my products as well, it's one of the reasons I don't own Apple products. Thanks for watching!

So you believe him when he says he's nitpicking and bitching the product because he "doesn't want people to have too big expectations like with for Cyber punk"?

Few things to say, though I'm generally done with this product (I've replied to dozens of comments). Your first point is kind of contradictory. You claim that there's no glue (good!) but average user's don't care about performance. Who is this marketed to exactly? The average user cares more about ingress protection, weight, and frame rigidity than the existence of glue, and glue really helps with those characteristics. AMD parts aren't this crazy new concept from a nobody either, they're quite good and are more efficient than this generation of intel parts. Alder lake may be a different story, but this was not a good generation vs AMD in a restricted power envelope. I mentioned thunderbolt in the video, the reason is likely because of that + a decent discount as those CPUs are going to be replaced quickly by the 12th gen parts for most big OEMs. Thunderbolt is a big question for me though since there's been no addons that utilize it outside of an external GPU dock. I'm hoping there's some cool use cases out there but I haven't seen any yet. The comparison between Qualcomm and Exynos is actually really funny, because mediatek is being sold faster than either of those. www.notebookcheck.net/MediaTek-is-found-to-have-taken-its-biggest-share-of-the-mobile-SoC-market-ever-for-the-second-quarter-of-2021.568605.0.html I'm glad that your batch *6* unit is well built, by then the issues should have been resolved or I'd be quite concerned about their QC department.

@@CoilWhine My contradiction is my point. Although glue has been the excuse of making ultra thin and rigid devices, the proof of concept to Frameworks design shows it's not necessary. AMD has shown they have improved their silicon in the lastest generations of their chip but compared to Intel, they still have an uphill battle recuperating their reputation to the mainstream public. Framework is still a startup and they need to stick to a business leader to be recognized as a legit company. To go into using a tarnished brand such as AMD is a risk no matter how much better the chip is compared to the standard it's competing against. Regarding thunderbolt, it's an intel licensed ip. Using an intel platform should be easier to have this port certified. Would you know what hoops is involved to certify this port on an AMD platform? Is there an equivalent for compatibility considering as U claim even thunderbolt is iffy as a standard regulated to a few accessories. How many egpus are using the usb spec btw? I knew you was gonna mention Mediatek which I purposely did not include in the comparison and you realize the comparison is really analogous to Intel & AMD. Samsung has been pushing really hard to be competition to Qualcomm but Mediatek is only more popular to the industry it's marketed to which is barely the US market and usually regulated to what is perceived by the consumer market as Chinese knock offs or kickstarter campaigns. Until we start seeing a flagship device using a Mediatek chip, it a non-argument. Huawei doesn't count until they can actually be sold globally. Lastly I agree QC needs to ramp up their standards but any quirks overlooked is possibly due to them being relatively new to this type of business model. I'm giving them a pass for now. My screen doesn't wobble when open as the earlier batches I've seen in reviews but I'm surprised no one has mentioned in their reviews the screwing the chassis too tight issue even though the company's instructions simply mentions in passing as this is a known glitch in design. For a company that should have a lot of growing pains, I think it's looking promising they will mature to a competitive pc maker in no time. I can't wait for them to make a 15 inch equivalent version with discrete graphics instead of compromising with a device with an apu. I'm thinking a thunderbolt style daughter board inside a larger chassis while keeping the same design of their current 13 inch board (for upgradable options to current buyers). I can see the port being a pass through for I/O and the larger chassis offering more room for a bigger battery. Yeah, I know it's a pipe dream but the possibilities are there.

funny how a handheld at less than half the price has the same amount of cores isnt it?

@@CoilWhine funny how a youtuber can't understand the concept of economy of scale. Were you expecting a device with a smaller pcb footprint, smaller screen with lesser pixel density, smaller battery, lack of keyboard and cam and produced in larger quantity should be equal in price ?

ill say it again, but slower. its half the price.. and has the same amount of cores. Just like how there are other laptops out there that are equally as serviceable (no qr codes boo hoo) with twice as many cores. I know it upsets you buddy, we all wanna see framework succeed but 4 cores in a $1000 laptop is a joke.

@@CoilWhine i'll say it again too but slower: e c o n o m y o f s c a l e And hey list those laptops here. Lets see how truthful your claims are of those laptops that are equally serviceable with no voiding of warranty upon user's tinkering right out of the box. List starts here:

Buddy, we both know youre not here to comment in good faith, i could list an infinite amount of laptops and you would still attempt to turn this from a core conversation to a bezel and webcam debate.

I guess I need to grow my hair out

This is just straight up not true. Go look at some of Louis Rossman's videos documenting some of the terrible engineering that Apple has gotten away with (he's most well known for right to repair but he has outlined issues with their designs before). Apple has tried to sweep those issues under the rug multiple times and only offered replacements when class action lawsuits were filed. Apple is also a very big status symbol brand and people are more willing to disregard the faults when they are also buying the product for social reasons.

Except the m1 MacBook has an excessive use ssd use issue from launch (Don’t know if it’s fixed) and there is no way to replace the ssd even if you opened it.

If it wasn't for the silicone shortage I guarantee you that they would have the ryzen 7 5800u.

What kind of thumbnail would you suggest then? I'm open to suggestions, I just don't see how this is clickbait

@@CoilWhine your thumbnail gives the idea that you have the framework laptop with you. But i won't expect something better from you.

@@robertanthonybermudez5545 Thanks for stopping by again old friend.

I appreciate that you liked it, I just had to take it a bit slowly since the prior video required a significant follow-up. There's a _lot_ of interest in this laptop and a lot of newer faces getting on board. Felt like I had to go over some stuff a bit more thoroughly than I normally would've liked to. I'm still working on scripting videos out a bit better as well, thanks for the feedback!

A decade ago a large amount of mainstream laptops allowed you to do more and most of the things this laptop features... so probably not.

@@jakedill1304 not in this form factor. the mainstream laptops from that era were bulky and heavy, they were bricks.

The laptop wore you don't even have to take you to a repair shop to fix is pretty damn revolutionary.