Thanks.

This! We are treating a sickness without dealing with the cause.

Please provide some evidence to support your claims, because “chemicals” and “soil” do not cause AFB/EFB or viruses. If you disagree then please prove me wrong with some evidence.

@@RyanMcDonnough YT usually auto-removes hyperlinks, especially to other sites. It's not as simple as: bacteria/virus A is present -> therefore organism has disease A. The best example I can think of for this is poliovirus. As posted by the CDC: 25% may show symptoms of a cold, 1-5% may get meningitis, .05 - .5% develop any form of paralysis/muscle weakness. It is well known that pesticide exposure is bad for bees. Combinations of stresses, some known and many likely yet to be recognized, can contribute to lower immune function, allowing more severe infection & disease symptoms to show. Unhealthy soil, means soil that is devoid of a fungal microbiome, like on any cropland where heavy fungicide use is practiced. For some reason bees like to feed from mycelium, both on the ground and from trees. There have been studies that certain mycelium extracts have potent antiviral effects in bees. It's possible that certain fungi may have antibacterial properties in bees too.

@@rogierdikkes The inevitable result of reductionist thinking in complex systems, where causes have a multitude of compound factors. People used to think big, but somewhere around when germ-theory came out (and especially in the computer age) it has become A = B.

@@CatastrophicNewEngland I just posted a link to Dr Delaplane’s interview on the Beekeeping Today podcast. You should listen to it. Also, AFB and EFB have existed and were problems well before the widespread use of agricultural chemicals. Pretending that less agrochemical usage will somehow reduce the incidence of AFB/EFB as an excuse to not utilize a vaccine is nothing less than magical thinking.

A honey bee vaccine for AFB, EFB, and *especially viruses* is the absolute best thing that could possibly happen to honey bees and beekeepers. Pretty weird that anti-vaxxers are also willing to allow their unscientific biases to affect their beekeeping management. Bees will suffer unnecessarily as a result, as countless humans already have for the last several years. I’m a healthcare professional. Vaccines save human lives and the lives of our pets & livestock. The beekeeping community should be absolutely elated that our honey bees will soon benefit from vaccine development for our insect livestock. Honey bees are animals too. They deserve to live healthy lives and receive the best animal husbandry possible.

Bill Gates Klaus S NO.1 WEF WHO and others are all for complete CONTROL over all people's lives and sadly many people have become sheeples

@@rmason5477 Sure thing, bud. 👍🏻😂

Thanks for the discussion Bob!

Nobody I know ever had that. not even my mentor who has been doing beekeeping for 65 years. vaccinating for this would be stupid since you NEVER use drugs that have not been out for at least 3-5 years (And I won’t take them even after that time frame)

The company developing the vaccine is currently going after the low hanging fruit. Much easier to vaccinate against bacteria than viruses.

Here in Europe is epidemic of AFB.

@@zarkobojanic2141 What do you mean epidemic? Do you have lot of cases of infested hives in Serbia? What is the situation in countries near you?

@@andreimolodoi88 yes, almost every beekeeper that I know have afb (few hives ewery year sporadically)my neighbor destroy last year 80colony,its similar situation in Hungary, Slovakia... until 10 years ago nobody ewan knows what is afb

Well said, thanks.

I'm skeptical for a few reasons. A bit of research finds that Dalan was set up in 2019, headed by a group of board members and industry insider/partners of Google, big-pharma, bio-tech, & multinational investment/holding companies. This is their very first product. As stated in a press-release they put out in 2021, "This is not only an innovation for animal health but an important step in saving bees and providing a more sustainable food supply". "Dalan will expand its product development to other underserved industries such as shrimp, mealworms and grasshoppers used in feed and food production. Up to 40% annual losses due to diseases are limiting growth across theses billion-dollar industries. Vaxlnes being developed by Dalan are a breakthrough for these industries." "Dalan expects to raise... funding in 2022 to expand their commercial offering and further advance a pipeline of novel vaxlnes for other new production animals." "Mealworms & grasshoppers used in food production". "New production animals". They can't be much clearer. They're global industry leaders & they're planning for us to eat bugs.

@@CatastrophicNewEngland A lot of people around the world eat insects.

@@beebob1279 That may be true, but I'd rather not have that decision made for us all by people who fly on private jets. I'd also be willing to bet that there would be many fewer people currently eating insects if they could afford and had ready access to fish, poultry, beef, pork, sheep, goat, etc.. Hopefully small beekeepers will continue to be able to sustainably keep bees without becoming reliant on big-ag to have colonies that aren't overrun by disease. I apologize for my pessimism!

@@CatastrophicNewEngland Hey, I get it. I agree with you. I don't want people telling me how to live my life either. Yet, the elites think they can run everything because they have money. Put them in the woods by themselves for two weeks and I bet they couldn't survive.

Undo the science? What?? Too far the wrong way? This doesn't make sense. Methinks someone doesn't really understand how science works

Modern science = playing god.

@@t-bonejones3576 It's called unintended consequences and long-term effects which can only be known after the long-term has passed. The Greeks called it Pandora's Box. Methinks someone doesn't really understand how pharmaceuticals work. Ask an old pharmacist how long they wait before taking a new drug that has been approved by the FDA. I guarantee you they will likely say between 5 and 10 years, that way "all the bodies can shake out" - to quote a pharmacist I know. See also: Thalidomide, Vioxx, Dengue vaccine in the Philippines, others I will not name... caution is always warranted here, and yet for some reason, we have many who trust blindly and jump into things with no hesitation. I'd like to believe that the company that made this has the bees best interest above all else including profit, but while I may have been born at night, it wasn't last night.

the treatment is for your bees that don't have AFB. The front line treatment would still be to eliminate your affected colonies, ie burn the equipment.

@@CCCRApiary I understand that my question is if the bacteria is active in a nest , is that not going to be harder to identify if 50% effective then there are 50% that it may still effect means there may be a reduction in the ability to notice the illness in a nest . We need more info on this and is that 30- -50 % apply to an individual colony or Colony that is in 30-50 % effective status 100% protected or is it just 30-50% or the colony . My self I want to see it if I have it in my operation so I can immediately eliminate it !! This effort would been better spent on mite viruses. We know how to deal with AFB but not all the effects of mites . Just my thoughts on it we don’t need new keepers with a false sense of security especially AFB.

@@springcitybeefarm5971 Their results are high. That's 30-50 at a 200 times normal infection rate. That is quiet effective. I'm like you new keepers will be the monetary driver of this application.

My mentor was a pollinator who taught me years ago to treat with TM. I got AFB in one hive (lucky it didn't spread). I had the state come out to verify and sure enough the bacteria was resistant to TM. That's the problem. I re-started the whole program with foundation and shook all the hives in that apiary. No AFB since. I'll just burn the hives from now on if I get it again

Prophylactically treating with TM sounds like a risky game with little upside and a lot of downside. Upside: If you already have AFB in one or more of your hives at the time of TM application, then you may dodge a bullet or delay the arrival of said bullet. Downside: If one or more of your hives get AFB after TM application, then you’re still screwed. You’re greatly increasing the likelihood of pathogen resistance to the TM. You’re doing harm to the bees’ gut biome. Prophylactic TM does more for the beekeeper’s mental health than it does for the health of bees. I’m also in Oregon. You should contact the Bee Lab at OSU and talk to an extension agent. This vaccine will do far more good for your bees than TM.

I definitely don't have it figured out. Just trying share and look at whatever information I can get.

Dalan Animal Health, Inc. appears to be a "startup" made up of board members and industry insider/partners of Google, big-pharma, bio-tech, & multinational investment/holding companies. Board of Directors: Annette Kleiser - CEO - Ph.D. in Philosophy from - Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München Linda Rhodes - former R&D at Merck, current Board member at Zoetis (the largest producer of pet&livestock drugs+vaccs, formerly part of Pfizer, divested in 2013, current top shareholder is Blackrock, followed by Vanguard Group) Peter Brons Poulsen - president of Colgate-Palmolive Europe Tom Chi - co-founder of Google-X, the company's semi-secret special projects R&D division Neal Carter - President of Okanagan Specialty Fruits. "OSF is one of the first firms to pursue the use of biotechnology to deliver product innovations to the tree fruit industry." From a press-release in Oct., 2021: "Dalan will expand its product development to other underserved industries such as shrimp, mealworms and grasshoppers used in feed and food production. Up to 40% annual losses due to diseases are limiting growth across theses billion-dollar industries. Va$$ines being developed by Dalan are a breakthrough for these industries." Ze will eat ze bugs.

Cheers!

your sick !!

That’s a shame. My bees are vaccinated and have 5G. You should see my cell signal in the bee yard! 😳

@@RiceDriedger No one claimed that you are livestock. The Covid vaccines (that seems to be what you’re referring to) are not experimental. Did you make this much of a fuss when you were vaccinated for everything else? Or do you only take issue with the vaccines for this particular virus? 🙃

@@RiceDriedger Everyone has a right to their own opinions. No one has a right to their own facts. I’m not delusional, my polite friend. I’m a healthcare professional. Good luck out there.

@@RiceDriedger That, my polite friend, is what is called an “anecdote”. Anecdotes are not scientific and should not be used to make decisions. My anecdote: I have seen (in-person) many die from Covid. I have seen no one die from the vaccine. I have seen no one receive treatment in the ICU from the vaccine. I know hundreds of people who received the vaccine…none were harmed or killed as a result of receiving the vaccine. That’s my own anecdotal information. It features a much larger data set and front-line perspective. But it is still anecdotal. So…if that isn’t good enough, then go to the CDC website and have a look at all the data regarding vaccine safety. It is safe. We don’t all think that we’re right about everything. That phenomenon is caused by “confirmation bias” and “the Dunning-Kruger Effect”. I suggest avoiding those behaviors. You should consider trusting professionals. They exist for good reasons. Would you trust a McDonalds employee to fix a a downed power line? Would you hire a plumber to perform your hip replacement?

Spors and bacteria can be in noocks and crannies and a second tourch fire will not go deep enough to kill. At 240F⁰ and 90 minutes time ecposed to those temperures will kill spores. Just an FDA rule law when preserving food.

I agree.

They haven't bothered to study that, have they? Color me cynical.

Should healthy humans not be vaccinated?

But that’s the point of the vaccine, healthy bees can quickly become unhealthy and potentially dead with both foul brood diseases.

Are bees getting covid.... from bee keepers.

Science is not 100 percent sure or right... That's Science. It's a risk-taking question and answer without facts yet. Now that's a fact. I guess we will have to wait and see. Since this was done before bees got covid...propolis is a protection for bees.. Flowers don't have covid. Bees try to stay away from humans and animals as much as they can. So I think the risk to benefit is risky...

@@RyanMcDonnough Not for Covid that is!

Well said.

That sounds like a perfect-scenario business plan for the company selling the stuff, & likely protected from competition via patent law.

Good question. Swapping frames from a colony with no symptoms could be very risky, unless all other colonies in an apiary are vaccinated. Also what risk does this pose to feral colonies that might rob a weak but vaccinated colony that has AFB spores. A colony that would otherwise of been detected and destroyed.

Excellent question I dont remember hearing this possibility

Yes, excellent question! Is this a leaky vaccine, or more like a perfect vaccine? They only studied the efficacy, not how leaky it is. If you want to know what a leaky vaccine is, look up Marek's disease vaccine in chickens. Most people think of a vaccine as a perfect vaccine and don't actually realize that it is not the case most of the time. However, this is a big step away from using antibiotics. We really need to save them for when its critical, and not over use them and take them for granted. They are life saving medicine!

After some study, every time someone starts talking about vaccines, I get really nervous. Imperfect fixes, breed potentially catastrophic biological problems.

@@FantaLaStrada the antibiotic resistant studies are mostly crap you know. Look into this to understand it - they found antibiotic resistant bacteria 10,000 feet under Carlsbad Caverns. The bacteria had never been exposed to antibiotics, which if you ask any doctor or "scientist" they will tell you that exposure to antibiotics is what caused the bacteria to become resistant to the antibiotic. Lamarck lives on! At any rate, there are no paradoxes. When you have a black swan, a paradox in your theory, it means your theory is WRONG.

That’s some of the nuttiest sh*t I’ve heard in a while. 🙃

Don't worry, Monsanto has done lots of studies with their future board members in the FDA/NIH/CDC, that all conclude their products are absolutely perfectly safe.

@@CatastrophicNewEngland LOL

We don't know the answer to that for sure.

We purchase it from "Dadant and Sons" in High Springs Florida which can be found online.

Good morning sir.

No and none.

Great Question. I would say yes, passed into human consumption.

If it can pass to a sister by feeding I can see that it can pass into honey or wax or other bee products.

@@RyanMcDonnough "No and none." And you have the data to support that assertion, or have you taken a position on something without any data?

@@thedeafcattledog8608 Oh hi, 🤡

Good questions to which I wish I had good answers.

I seem to recall Dr. Humberto explaining the vaccine was fed to attendant bees which in turn it to the queen. And typically a bacterial vaccine does not affect virus loads.

Give them some honey

It was several miles outside of Keyes which isn't anywhere near Williams. It may not be there any more. That was 40 years ago.

I honestly don't know if it gets hot enough.

The only thing that destroys bacteria on equipment is 15 minutes above a certain temperature at a certain pressure. You'd need a giant pressure cooker or a lab water bath.

They don't know and the company and its supporters don't care. If they cared, they'd have taken time to have a third party do tests. That rarely happens nowadays with anything.

Feeding it to bees by putting it in sugar water.

I don't know enough about it to say.

AFB is a bacteria. So this is not a vaccine. Vaccines only work against viruses. Unless of course you change the definition.

Some use bleach but I hear of mixed results.

@@bobbinnie9872 Thank you for your reply.

Hi Frances. I personally don't see a need to use the vaccine at this time. Yes, I believe mites are public enemy number one too but I don't see anything tremendously different in the works.

I don't know.

Probably like in serbia 20+years 😁