mk x variation system was great but in mk 11 is horrible

Start playing Tekken, Rage Art is the supers done right, because you don't have other supers except the characters that aren't originally from Tekken, and if you block them, they don't get it back till the next round when they are down in health again, and if you get good you can beat your opponent before they can use their rage art. BTW Davorah is a bad character and shouldn't have been created.

Yeah man, the fatal blow is really messed up. I main jax and my brother kano. He is much more casual then me, He doesnt want to sit in the Training room and learn combos for hours.....so we decided that He is allowed To use fatal blow, but im not. And These moments when we have both about 30% and He trys to random ft (He cant Hit Confirm 😅). Kanos ft has great push back and jax Poor range, bc He is an in your face rush down character. But then....a few seconds later i got Hit by another random fatal blow. And this is frustration. I agree, the sequences are way to long. And i think NR should get rid of These unendless fatal blow try's. I would be ok for me if everone has 1 try To fatal blow. When i gets blocked it should never come back for the whole Match. This would it make a little better bc u have to Hit confirm or you loose your fb. But mayo....didnt you notice something....i think this crapy mechanics (ft, random upercut mashing for the crushing blow, strong Keep away) are build in so that the game isnt only skill based. A random nobody can learn in 1 hour combos for 1 char in training mode. After that this guy gos into kombat League, mashes the crap out of his character (especially Poke mashing bc they dont care about frame data. This Kind of player belives its allways his turn, bc UNFORTUNATELY not every char has a fast mid and they get away with that. Then when they feel preshured they mash d2 and gets 35-40% for that. I think this Was the Intention of NR. They wanted These nobodys come into their game and Win frequently against better players, so they dont get frustrated to fast. But the Real frustration comes for the decent players like me. Im not a noob, relativly decent. And i often loose in kombat League bc of These crappy (for casual disegned) mechanics. Of course, you cant beat a god like Nina killer with random shit. But the average decent player who looked into the frame data of their chars, learned his Bnb combos and that stuff. And than i play against a absolutely random sub zero. And they will slide randomly....and if you are not ducking and blocking it will Hit you bc its far too fast to react.....and the outcome is a 32% cb for his 3rd ex slide. After that - Standard: overhead diretly into fb. Congrats....this random ass player took allmost 70% of your lifebar without any effort. Without any skill....this random player won bc of the mechanics and not bc He played you out in any way. These are the Things that make mk11 so much worse than mk9. Kind regards

Yeah if you play MKX after playing 11. You really feel how much faster and better the gameplay looks and feels

@@TheMonkePrince Thahah tekken 7 got rage art done right? XD Dude they have Armor while doing them, you just have to know when opponent is doing any attack and then you pull out rage art. You take small amount of damage to health, because with armor the damage is reduced and your action is not interrupted. So you pull out your rage art really easy. It's also broken.

Yeah I don't know how anyone considers Cage anything more than a meme. He was basically a Steven Segal parody to begin with.

@Filip Medak I get both. The fake ego of Seagal, while actually knowing his shit like Van Damme. He's definitely Seagal stupid. Either way, he was never much of a character.

@@filthyshoggoth fax bro. I always liked cage but in the old games he was a side character story wise and comic relief. don’t understand the decision to have the new games be about cage and special forces

Agreed. I don't understand where this obsession with the special forces came from

@@olebogengmoagi5648 Probably cause it's easier to sell to audience some avengers type bullshit then kung fu fighting lol

But mk and injustice are nothing alike??

@@shreyashshrestha6085 injustice 2 affected Mk11 I'm 99% sure Mayo is gonna bring up the interchangeable moveslist as well as the extremey vapid cosmetics locked behind arduous events that only come once a year as well as the more detailed frame data leading to a slow ass fighting chess game that's still easier to exploit than Mkx. Injustice 2 had a bad balancing issue with the cosmetics as well since low level players couldn't go online at all due to being literally weaker due to stats directly linking to your level.

@@Kn1ghtborne that is true, i was thinking the gameplay of fighting mechanics

@@shreyashshrestha6085 that too. Mkx had more depth with less to utilize if that makes sense.

@@Kn1ghtborne you could turn the gear off in injustice 2 when going online.

And the requierements to do one were alright, so it wasn't the norm to see the same animation over and over again. I came close to hate the Fatal Blows, not because they took a good chunk of health, but because it was always the same long ass video.

​@@mattvolonte9026fatal blows are satisfying to watch

​@@Choppa773the first time, maybe second. that's the point. Is not that they are badly animated, is that in a fighter super animations have to be thought out around the frequency in which will happens during gameplay. I wouldn't mind scorpion's long ass fatal blow if it was something difficult to use in a real match because other mechanics take priority, and than out o a sudden i did the fatal blow cuz i had the resource and it was useful at the time. The long ass animatiton would complement the hype because is a such a rare occasion. But if the super is being done every round, now you have a long ass animatiton that you already seen 30x just times today and you just want it to end it already. I'd even argue long ass animatitons is even a problem with fatalities nowadays, but that case is less bothersome. Thing is that fatal blow mechanically are stupid (super for being low health, armor when used and no resource being spend since if you don't hit it, you'll get it back), the fact that is a long as cutscene that will happen every round is even worse. There's a reason level 1 are so quick and simple in sf and rage art is so quick in tekken, because is a mechanic designed to be used a lot and it has to not interrupt the pacing of the match.

i miss mk bloody, dark and mysterious aesthetics… now it feels bland.

@@evtera9688 well it's gonna get boring when shit is jus the same gah dam touch grass

Mkx was good but it was kind of a nightmare with the 50/50s.

mkx is the way better than mk11 and mk1

@@sheena1521 it has ACTUAL skill and disgustingly hard combos and cancels that only 0,01% could pull the off. Ninjakilla style. You could counter zoners and you had more freedom when comboing....

I'm extremly casual so I correct me if I'm wrong here but wasn't the purpose of all these different variations to avoid making a character to overwhelming to fight against while giving them more moves to choose from? Like for the sake of an example, lets say a character has 10 moves total. But each variation only allows 3 or 4 moves max and a character has like, 3 official variations + 1 custom variation. So if you're fighting a character, you only need to watch out for 3-4 possible special moves at a time instead of 10 (or even 5-6 if it were only variation). If you know what those moves are, you can better plan how you're going to fight. You don't need to worry about being sucker punched by special moves you haven't seen yet. Especially if those moves are extremely powerful or compensate for a character's weaknesses Like, if you're fighting a Raiden variation that has projectiles but not his flying tackle, you know he doesn't have the flying tackle and can plan accordingly and fight without worrying about being flying tackled. You know that Raiden is risky to fight at a distance with his projectiles but now know he can't close the distance as easily. Then again, maybe MK players prefer dealing with all those possibilities so I could be wrong here.

@@FraserSouris this takes out competetive gameplay and expands the mind games and timing tricks while still being too overwhelming for professional gameplay since theres too many variations its easier if you see a WHOLE character beating you up so you can addapt to the character as WHOLE also who likes to play with half their characters?

@@tanikaze7697 Thanks for your response. *>” its easier if you see a WHOLE character beating you up so you can addapt to the character as WHOLE”” also who likes to play with half their characters?”

@@FraserSouris I understand, this makes sense, thank you you down for adding up on steam? would love to have conversations about such things in this kind of extend

@@tanikaze7697 This man has blatantly just lied to you in his last point lmfao. As someone who is consistently high diamond/champion R6S I can tell you rn you absolutely do bring everything each operator has to offer. Wall break is never done by primaries - only secondary shotguns and gadgets (impacts nades/op specific etc) and theirs is always objectively a better primary of those available per op. The game is also 100% team based and for both attack/defence there is designated roles for each operator, which your team is formed around - Defence: Roam/Anchors. Attack: Those made to open up main walls to site and those for roam clear etc. In high ranks every set-up up is almost exactly the same, the difference between who wins is simply who has the better aim. There is absolutely NO exploiting character weaknesses in R6S. And for Tekken he has also completely lied. As a TGO Jin, I can tell you that there is no different versions of any of the roster. There is Devil Jin to Jin but that is an entirely different character slot and has his own set movelist which, as with the entire roster, cannot be altered. Again, you always play against each characters full move-list. For FighterZ character movelist variations are not available for on-field characters and simply just for “assists” (A/B/C). Don’t listen to this guy, he has no clue what he’s talking about.

Oh man .... Deception was unbelievable awesome . The combat system was very weird but still interesting to play and the content .... my god the content was almost overkill and it rocks. Such content will ve never seen nowadays. The mini games , the konquest mode , arcade modes , story mode and the krypt.

That's one of the huge things that I feel is lost in the NRS era games. Where is the good music? The music is not only turned down into the background, but also incredibly generic. I still remember how cool the Deception character select screen music was. Just gave the game way more flavor.

Of course yes! I still discovering new combos on that games!!!

@@Rizzo91 like yeah I still remember shang tsung's stage theme because of how sinister and groovy it's theme was that it helped enhance the intensity of the battle coupled with being catchy as fuck same with the onaga's theme in deception being very fast paced that added to the oh shit I can die in any moment from ongagas uppercuts to the piller spikes. Plus da and deception had some very kick ass character select themes while the modern mk since mkx and especially 11 had nothing worth noting it is that bad! Ppus I HATE how 11 looks super clean and polished it makes the gore look so out of place amd conflicts with the artstyle I mean MKX had a more fitting atmosphere so why did they made mortal kombat look like injustice? Plus some of these guest characters shouldn't even be in a mk game like t800, rambo, robocop like wtf do they to do with mortal kombat?!

maybe...NRS is sick of making bleak shit for mortal kombat

Thank god they implemented this in MK1 so fatal blows aren’t nearly as cheap

Frr. How many times have I died to jax and kabal’s insane startup

@@jo0rd73plus you can now break fatal blows

@@gbx4858 you could break fatal blows in mk11 it was just a lot harder

Same. MKX is my fave as it seems to be a balance of both worlds. Maybe if MK9 had a patch to resolve the bugs and issues it had, arguments would be way different. I don't mind the amplify thing tbh. It was good in MKX owing to the meta. But with MK11's meta already having flawless blocks, breakaway and other mind games, it seems a bit much

Yeah tbh i liked alot the meter change in mkx it created a lot a combo possibilites, the only thing that keep mkx from being 10/10 is the broken 50/50

Im still made they took the run out for mk11

The run kind of kills the footsies its what I did not like about mkx made me want to go to street fighter. I def thought mk9 was the best.

Mkx was nothing like injustice and it shouldn't be. It was a modern MK. Fuck injustice.

OMG I agree with every single word you said! I still really liked MKX, but MK9 had the better story (minus that Sindel part) and had tag team mode for up to 4 players.

The last good mk game was mk 9 and that was a Decade ago what happened to netherrealm

The mk3 portion is garbage. But the rest of the story mode was great.

Childhood 😂 little ass kids

@@rosariostefenelli4155 MK9, being their first MK game, was where they landed on the formula they use. And it's the purest form of the formula, without any extra stuff added just to make a sequel different or new. Each new sequel shakes it up but the problem is they're shaking up borderline perfection which will never make it better, only worse. It's sort of the same thing that happened with Midway MK, when they started messing with the formula a lot to keep it fresh instead of just adding new characters and a few mechanics, with mk4 it was a problem, then with the first PS2/3D era one they found a new formula, which had been worn down with gimmicks until it was hated by Armageddon/MKvDCU, then reset to a new formula with MK9, and we got to the point where it's hated by MK11 again. MK 1 seems to be undoing a lot of the changes, going back to the basics from MK9 and bringing in only the parts that NRS thinks worked well in MKX/MK11 and not the changes they think didn't. We'll see how it turns out

As someone that hated the new story completely I'm glad they reset it again in MK11, hopefully they don't screw it up this time.

The thing is mkx story and cast was awful that’s why they reset the story

Hey, at least MKX had a decent story. The Highlight of Midway MK's were Deadly Alliance and Deception, while the rest were litally jokes. People nowadays have SOOOOOOO much rose-tinted glasses about the Midway Era its crazy - when the games' plots were literally gags and jokes about bad Martial Arts movies. Nowadays people literally can't decide wether MKX, MK11 or MK9 had the worst story. Just goes to show how nobody can really decide

imagine playing fighting games for "story" and other useless offline modes... Dumb zoo animals

@@chrismarple but we had predator :(

As an SF4 player, me too

Well with sf, Capcom always makes some dramatic changes with each entry so who knows really what sf6 may end up like.

@@bruhder5854 we already getting team, not sure if its gonna be tag

he just wants mk9 back

It's like how people love sf4 but hate sfv .

True.

Because they ARE different games my guy, how cant you tell, you had a decade to notice that.

There are only 2 games after that tho.

Mkx was a fucking great game though?

@@darkshat3077 I loved mkx back then still do but now that I'm older and more experienced mkx does have a lot of issues I overlooked when I was younger

no you are correct, but if you watch closely, the game revolves around barking faster than your opponent, look at how Sonicfox with Joker resets the 50/50, while maintaining just the right distance and timing to keep going after

Same

i love that it is slower than previous games because hits feel more impactful and missing also feels more punishing when against a good player, i agree with the other points tho

@@gabrieldias8246 I respect your opinion.

Can you turn off fatal blow? Really tried to enjoy it with my son but fatal blows just. Just why why is it there why?!

@@airiksave5053 I don't believe you can sorry. Still hope you and your son have fun playing.

Yes, this

id say rage is handled way better in tekken tho, blocking and baiting a rage art is pretty easy and gives you big reward. rage drives are just straight up cool and add a non-disruptive element to a comeback.

Why

Nothing new here, totally biased opinion as always. I specially like when he praises MK 9 meter system as a good example of resource management on fighting games right after he claims that other games (who have been doing it before) lack it. I don't think he actually played Street Fighter, or at least tried watching it, Street Fighter 3rd Strike has always been such a great example of good meter use, with the exception of Akuma who can't do meter enhanced attacks, every other character is just like what he praised about MK9, and not just something like "hahah flashy special animations"

But there's also like 7 meter bars right? So you can burn some bars to enchance attacks but also use lots of supers in a single match.

If memory doesn't fail me, 7 bars is for SF4, I believe. SF3 had 2, and I believe that most supers takes 2 full bars.

@@Tassio106 He is talking about his own point of view here, not necessarily a claim he made while saying he is someone who fully understands the game, that and he is talking from what he knows, and he may not know as much about those games.

Nah that's true. DBFZ is basically replacement Marvel and both games are filled with seizure procedure supers for half the runtime of a match

I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about MK's current music. It's funny that you mention Mick Gordon since he actually wanted to make music for MK11 but Netherrealm Studios (NRS) rejected him. I know that NRS still has Dan Forden, who has been making MK music since the beginning, but I think he's losing his touch. Mick is so much more than "the metal guy" that many in the industry claim he is.

I love skullgirls and I can still see a lot of love and care in the game and I'm among the people who usually play skullgirls 1v1 I don't know I guess I'm not really into tag fighting games I don't usually play them all that much

The Killer Instinct Soundtrack is very good and I haven't played alot of Fighting games but I still play some of them

you can't have everything.

@@daegnaxqelil2733 what?

IF netherrealm would still be selling real mortal kombat games - remasters or not making special guest dlcs for injustice would make sense just like making MK characters look like heroes in order to get broad audience but who am i to tell a multi-million dollar disappointment of a company how to make bajillions in this day and age on grown up kids from the 90's that now more than ever would gladly waste their paychecks on outdated yet much faster and better 3d games.

Ngl the final boss of the last 3D Era game was a big lava guy. Cetrion and Geras fit in MK Just fine. It was always a large cast of magical oddballs.

@@DummyTenshi Lol because there was a big lava guy in one MK game that means the MK universe is identical to Marvel and DC in terms of aesthetics? Is that the point you're trying to make? The Kollector makes sense as a new MK character. You could have told me Cetrion and Geras were guest character super heroes from DC and I would have believed you.

@@thevomit5851 You missed the point of my entire comment LOL. Geras and Cetrion especially are basically just elementals except Geras has time gimmicks added on. My point was characters like Cetrion and Geras are nothing new to MK. If they feel like DC characters, so does pretty much any character that wields an element in the series. Which is funny enough a lot of the cast.

The Kollector is also just more of the same. Every new character with the exception of Ferra/Torr was rooted in pre-established character archetypes. And even those two you can reach and say they're rooted in Noob/Smoke from. The 3D era.

MKX is still my most played game

Mk11 sucks.. looks cartoonish MKX WAS GREAT Its my favorite

MKX is my absolute favorite MK games of all time. Watching sonicfox playing the tournaments alongside tekkenmaster truly inspired me to get better.

I also enjoyed MKX more than MX11 (and 9).

@@Wiseman108 9 was better

Mk1 and 2 were not balls to the wall speed. Tho I agree about mk9+

mk11 is boring as fuck

@@stolensentience MK Armageddon was the last great Mortal Kombat game. To me, NRS Mortal Kombat games is like the Godfather 3 of the series and it went stale big time. MK9 was alright even though it had annoying plotholes but my god MKX and 11 could of been done better.

@@coltgun876 the godfather 3? definitely mk1-3… And Armageddon might’ve been interesting but it was far from great. The gaming landscape had already discarded the mk franchise. Mk9 is the closest they ever came to reviving the franchise, and they arguably did just that. But the first couple mks… well there was a brief period of time when no other game was bigger, not even sf2.

@@stolensentience Mk3 and 4 definitely were. It's kind of hard to explain, but once they started to use that game engine from injustice(when NRS tookover), the feel of the game was just completely lost for me. It's always felt so clunky and stiff. Even mk 1 and 2 felt more fluid oddly enough.

Reduce the length of their xray/fatal blows..2 hits in mk9 was enough, 3 in mkx, even longer in mk11..I could go make a cup of tea and come back before it finishes

@@SafMan89 Absolutely agreed. Can't stand fatal blows for that exact reason.

@@SafMan89 When I use to watch tournament matches of this snooze fest game I would literally just skip 10 seconds ahead every time a fatal blow happens and it would take me straight to the next action after fatal blows. That should NOT be the way it is.

@@VikingPoodle You know the funny thing is when you see/play a game like DNF Duel they have sorta that super system when the character hp reaches at least 30% in that game. its no fatal blow but It does feel the same way.

@@akilcharles3473 How about "Rage Arts" from Tekken 7? It availables when a character's hp is lower

they won't mortal kombat died with midway

@@ryszakowy Up to the fanbase then

Tbh would love to see a remaster of it same with deception

*Agree.*

Godesk Cotrayon isn't a murderer. She was driven to it by her best friend Konka. This woman shaved her head and now people think she is bald. A crown confirms her femininity.

How Mortal Kombat 11 Ruined My Marriage

That 50/50 on throw direction has been a bad decision implemented in MK9 and somehow has made it into MKX and MK11. It just feels way more egregious in MK11 because of how much stronger throws are in that game.

Mkx issues made the game fun tho

Grabs should definitely be a low reward move. Not a hole ass combo.

@@gabrielcamacho8739 the worst part, was it leas to most gameplay being, go in, low poke fish for grab mix up. Shit was boring. You can tell it was their first time making a neutral heavy game cause it was ass

@@Rodniikun agreed. They tried fixing that by making pokes stubbier it didn’t do shit

The talk is about game mechanics, not all this needless "story" bullshit and stuff.

@@itzbarakuda8850 You good bro? They're not even talking about the story, are you illiterate or did you just not bother reading before making assumptions?

Well this was a new timeline right, so they did something different. Not saying it was amazing though.

Games good

@@blackvalio4060 It's weird. Too slow, too limiting. But I'll still play it.

It's mediocre at best we need back fast paced combat not this dull injustice crap

@@bboyraviel2911 It's funny, I love Injustice 2, and I totally get why people don't like it. It's just one of those games that really clicked for me and I enjoyed a long time. Enjoyable neutral, no fraudulent comeback mechanics, variety of character archetypes, etc. But I despise MK11. It shouldn't be anything like Injustice. It needs to go back to the gloves off craziness from MK9 and MKX. Everything feels so neutered and incomplete in MK11.

@@blackvalio4060 no it's not it's complete crap

Lol

Yeah costumes are fun.

Exactly and the Grindy as hell progression system was carried over from Injustice 2 which was worse(like the Legendary multiverse towers) but just slighty more improved in MK11 and the Krypt is basically a Casino with no fast travel to get to certain places faster and they slap you in the face while in the krypt by having characters appear like (Ermac Appears with a New Design but Dies by falling into the Pit and not a playable character in the game when he should have been at that) and Certain Gear like Jax's Klassic Arms are only available through a Krypt Event which is just stupid. they should have just made the Gear/Customization System similar to Tekken's and call it a day

I missed when the krypt in the old ones were so simplistic now it's some shit mini open world bullshit that's online only and it's progression is the worst in the franchise by far

the krypt in Deception was great because konquest mode was easy to get into and had lots of storyline.

I will say that their reasoning for the female costumes getting toned down was absolutely awful. They say that you wouldn't wear that little to a fight. Turns out that more clothing means more to grab onto, which is a direct disasvantage. There's a reason female MMA fighters wear what's basically a bra and skintight shorts, and that's to reduce the amount of clothing that can be grabbed while maintaining modesty. And some characters could actually use their sexual outfits to lure their targets into a state of arousal before taking them out (as in killing, not on a date). Also, you NEVER wear heels to a fight, and most of the female characters wear heels in MK11.

@@LloydTheZephyrian exactly and how are they gonna argue "realism" when most of the game is the complete opposite and also they sure don't have a problem making some of the male characters like Kotal and Baraka wear some compression shorts lol, the whole female costume debacle was BS pandering and hypocritical and they contradicted themselves when they added more costumes to some of the females characters

If people like you and mayo have a problem with that then go play old fighting games if people like you and mayo aren't use to it.

@@capplayer8399 found the loser who needs fatal blow to win

Well if you played it and had it constantly done to you, I don't think you would find it dope at all.

@@darkknight_8891 I've since purchased the game and have had it done to me and I gotta say, I still think this game is dope. Can't wait for MK1.

I recently bought and played MK11 and pretty much instantly something about how the game controlled and felt just felt weird. It felt very slow in a bad way and also floaty. I haven't had that feeling with a fighting game in a very long time. And that's just one of the issues I have with the game. Apparently MK1 might be even slower than MK11 according to people who played the demo which is annoying because the one thing MK1 could benefit from is it being a little bit snappier and faster

@@ADreamingTraveler I heard the opposite, I heard it was a bit faster than mk11 but not mk9/x fast. Guess we have to wait and see when the full game releases.

I ain’t readin allat☠️

What's wrong with tekken

@@warlordishere5968 Pretty well written story, you are missing a lot.

Kinda feel the same with the last two MKs. I play with my cousin casually every year, but I feel weird playing it now. Didn't ask him, and he didn't say anything about it either, maybe it's because it's our tradition, but something is definitely lost. Judging by the history and cheap mechanics, they are looking for a new bunch of players in younger audiences like a lot of franchises are doing. It's kinda sad.

Dude chill

Agreed 💯

Yep, one of the reasons I still play sometimes, it just looks so good

Most of them look good but Frost sticks out for odd reasons

Spawn is one of the best characters in the game and they still managed to find a way to make him boring It's also like they decided to write an "Eff You" letter to all their fans They completely jumped ship

Preach man mkx was so much better gameplay wise

The game catered to casuals too much . I hope sf6 doesn't fall in the same hole

@@blackmanta2527 I heard they might add auto combos....

@@Kn1ghtborne play type lumina and then try and tell me auto combos are casual catering I guarantee your ass youd get your shit stomped in Type Lumina or bbcf despite both having GOOD auto combos, type lumina even weaving them into the full gameplay

Tbf you can just duck and poke OS it

@@Night-xr2nc did not know this thanks for the info 🙏🏾

To much bias for Guests smh

@@billyboleson2830 TOO MUCH in fact!

@@billyboleson2830 And all of them suck lmfao

This sums up my MK experience 100%. MK9 was the only game I played for years.

@@spoogiedaboogieman yup. There’s only one of my friend who loves X and XI. But even he doesn’t complain when the rest of us just want to boot up my ps3 to play MK9.

there's actually a huge crowd that despises mk11 yet media made this smoke screen that it's the best game ever made because of woke bullshit. kombat is trash krypt is trash story mode is trash characters are trash gear system is trash fatal blows are trash arcade endings are trash fatalities are over the top stupidity that only 9 year olds would find cool the game literally fails to be mortal kombat at it's core ideas yet is hailed as a success because they prepared special arenas for e-sport tournaments.

TRUE

I've felt like that since Injustice. I don't even feel good winning.

I've been saying this since mkx

yeah thats because we have dial up combos in mk11