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Unexpected Winner: WoWS USS Johnston vs Fletcher Face-off

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NoZoupForYou

NoZoupForYou

Күн бұрын

I took the USS Johnston and USS Fletcher, put them in the training room and timed their time to kill in a controlled setting in an effort to help you decide if the 30k+ doubloon asking price is worth it for the Johnston. If you watched my WoWS review on the USS Johnston yesterday, the results will likely not surprise you at all. It's a shame. World of warships could have done so much more with the Johnston. If you haven't, catch my review from yesterday for further details where I go into the thoughts on the ship much deeper. I reall think the Johnston could have been much better and it's a shame it isn't.
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@jimbane1568
@jimbane1568 Ай бұрын
Johnston with a burst gimmick was stupid. IT was a fighter, that refused to die easy. It returned to the fight after significant damage. It should have heals, british heals, or super fast recovery or fast heal reload. etc.
@jakubslavik5595
@jakubslavik5595 Ай бұрын
They should have put it to T10 and smash it with gimmicks imho. Even something new, like give it a very weak but passive heal, or put a sevastopol style of heal (long functioning heal). Slightly gimp the gun reload and don't bother with SAP. There are so many things they could've done with it and they could have made her even a dockyard ship.
@charlescdt6509
@charlescdt6509 Ай бұрын
When you have time, more of this please.
@billwalker9509
@billwalker9509 Ай бұрын
It doesn't have to cost 30000 doubloons! $83 in the premium shop.
@gnorris10
@gnorris10 Ай бұрын
test it against cruisers
@jonhaydel
@jonhaydel Ай бұрын
Thanks Zoup!!!! I was about to try to spend the money for containers!!!!
@hapexamendar1093
@hapexamendar1093 Ай бұрын
Here’s the thought. You fight during the burst and juke during the cooldown. Burst blast right before you go behind islands. It’s safer.
@lauroichihara
@lauroichihara Ай бұрын
they should made johnston a T10 with op stuff, like a super heal, sap with normal reload. But i don't expect much from GW anymore, best of 2024 is winsconsin
@hapexamendar1093
@hapexamendar1093 Ай бұрын
Easy call u r right sir🫡
@getongab
@getongab Ай бұрын
Thank you Zoup, this brigs back memories of when we all trusted our CC's.
@matt8313001
@matt8313001 Ай бұрын
Thank you for the info. Will definitely save my money
@garrettwood201
@garrettwood201 Ай бұрын
I get the concerns with it, and I would have really loved a heal, but Johnston's burst fire makes it pretty dangerous in the opening stages of a battle, especially when challenging caps. Certain HP thresholds are in insta-kill range for Johnston's burst, where it would take 10-ish seconds for Fletcher to kill the same target. I've binged Johnston since she released. It's a fun ship that really is only held back by the match maker. In her own tier, she's very good as a gunship, and only struggles badly against Friesland/Groningen and Mogador/Kleber/Marceau, but Fletcher can't deal with them either. IMO, it's good in it's favorable scenarios, but definitely could have been more.
@tbraun513
@tbraun513 Ай бұрын
The Johnston is good for close range clutch situations against other DDs. I had a Kitakaze sneak around an island and wiped it off the seas with alternate mode. But that lack of heal meant for the rest of the match i was solely spotting.
@vitezslavlorenc3479
@vitezslavlorenc3479 Ай бұрын
You dont need to be just spotting even on low HP. You can torp or farm from smoke.
@tbraun513
@tbraun513 Ай бұрын
@@vitezslavlorenc3479 harder to do that with the amount of radar ships ive been encountering at those higher tiers.
@vitezslavlorenc3479
@vitezslavlorenc3479 Ай бұрын
@@tbraun513 Yeah but torps are 13.5km so at least you can just send it their way and maybe some will hit :D
@captainbejo3513
@captainbejo3513 Ай бұрын
It should have a built in heal of +150 every 2 seconds on top of British repair. Just to start.
@captainbejo3513
@captainbejo3513 Ай бұрын
Hey… at least you also got ur WV ‘44
@TheBigGiant_SpaceChiken
@TheBigGiant_SpaceChiken Ай бұрын
I agree it´s not worth it since the SAP with either the burst fire mode on or off is not OP. Thus, there is no reason for the torp reload to be so long! If the Johnston had a torp reload somewhere between the reload of the Fletcher and the KIdd it would be worth it for me. But not as is.
@hapexamendar1093
@hapexamendar1093 Ай бұрын
So sad. Wanted this ship so bad. Historic and my mother was a Johnston.
@billwalker9509
@billwalker9509 Ай бұрын
And Johnston wins by 6 seconds!
@jackcrawford6078
@jackcrawford6078 Ай бұрын
i wish you'd done the fletcher 1 more time with AP.
@howardlewis1005
@howardlewis1005 Ай бұрын
And that DD you killed was a complete muppet,lol.
@RandomGuy17768
@RandomGuy17768 Ай бұрын
Easy pass...smells of "Pay-to-Rico" to me!
@stevenwiederholt7000
@stevenwiederholt7000 Ай бұрын
I Wanted To Get the Johnston...until I saw the price. No Thanks. Also they would have been better off just taking a Fletcher, an giving it a super heal (as others have said)
@stevenwiederholt7000
@stevenwiederholt7000 Ай бұрын
Looked it up $132.00 Good Lord!
@jjjiminey7814
@jjjiminey7814 Ай бұрын
I just can't agree with you dude. I've had amazing results in Johnston - she's so good at playing her part to win games. I've done a video of clips of my games in her for the last 3 days - you should have a look. She is excellent as a DD hunter, a team supporter and a cap contester.
@vitezslavlorenc3479
@vitezslavlorenc3479 Ай бұрын
His test is also shit. I killed Harugumo on 3 burst salvos using SAP not 4 like in this test. I try that two times from 0.7km range.
@jjjiminey7814
@jjjiminey7814 Ай бұрын
@@vitezslavlorenc3479 I wouldn't say the test is shit. But it's not exactly offering anything by shooting one tier 10 ship with another tier 9 ship in a test environment. It fails to account for how much the Johnston could out spot such a ship, forcing it to take damage from a supporting team. The DD fight should rarely be seen as a straight open water 1v1.
@vitezslavlorenc3479
@vitezslavlorenc3479 Ай бұрын
@@jjjiminey7814 Yeah agree but test is also off. I killed Harugumo just a bit faster than with Gearing without reload module and it has far better DPM than Fletcher. But he makes it look like the difference between Johnston and Fletcher is terribly marginal when its not. It's a difference like between Fletcher and Kitekaze, but with that DPM Johnston still has better concealment same as Fletcher.
@vitezslavlorenc3479
@vitezslavlorenc3479 Ай бұрын
That test mean nothing. You are too far away to hit all shells. So in first case you can hit less than in next one with fletcher. Cos in my test I kill him in 3x burst and you have to use 4x. And of course with Fletcher you have fire on Harugumo and when he will get out of fight like run or smoke up he will DCP that fire and just dont let it burn full time. Only thing that matter is DPM and ability to tranfer that into demage. And thats what SAP and burst fire is all about. To have that moment when you spot each other and shot and turn away. You will not stand near him for 40 seconds shooting. Base DPM on Johnston burst with SAP is like 26% more than fletcher with HE and thats all that matters. Johston with gun reload module has +- same gun power as Gearing without guns reload mode and thats not bad. You woudnt normally say oh thats not much difference between that and fletcher. Yeah its big difference like one tier difference.
@Crosshair84
@Crosshair84 Ай бұрын
Johnston doesn't fit in the current meta, which is stealthy torpedo boats. Ships with 5'/38 guns have not been viable gunboats for a long time. They're for close range defense only. A Plan B if you happen to stumble upon another DD. If you try to gunboat with them, Montana's and cruisers are just gonna bitch slap you until you learn to not do that. Sure I've seen them sometimes do very well. I've also seen them take so much damage that they are irrelevant for the rest of the game.
@jonathanflugge3557
@jonathanflugge3557 Ай бұрын
Russsian developers wanting to get RICHER. 🤑
@howardlewis1005
@howardlewis1005 Ай бұрын
Anyone who spends that amount of money on this ship is stupid, i mean completely stupid. So many good silver DD's out there, like the daring with hard hitting auto bounce AP AND a heal and hydro to fish this thing out of smoke. Would play that any day over this for and you will 90% win...and it's Free. That's to name just one ship .
@vitezslavlorenc3479
@vitezslavlorenc3479 Ай бұрын
Yeah but Daring is tier 10 and this is tier 9 so its supposed to be better ship like all tier 10 vs 9.
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