Honestly might be able to rally to troops like with gamestop.

That would be a crazy story.

​@@JackShephardTVthey might make a movie on it how they are doing it with the game stop thing

okay so i’m ignorant to how shares and stuff works, is that actually a thing that can happen?

@@foNy_If enough shareholders agree then the leadership can be changed

...I'm starting to think riccitiello is being a leach and just wants money nothing else... Except maybe seeing developers nearly go bankrupt... Pretty sure he's destroying Unity intentionally. And am pretty sure some of us already think that... =(...

@@johnblueberries If you're "just starting" to think that then I think you need to wake the fuck up. He has consistently through his actions and word shown himself nothing more than a greedy liability to every project within his sphere of influence.

Bro what even changed nobody is giving details

I’m just glad that the water got so hot for them like it has. I was thinking when I first heard the news and that nobody would react dooming us to their scummy behavior.

After hearing that they are doing gov't contracts, yeah they are intentionally destroying their gaming sector so they can focus on the big government money.@@johnblueberries

It wasn't just one day, it's been years.

This all doesn't mean the end of indie games at all, there are still other game engines like Godot and Unreal, most people will just finish their ongoing Unity projects and never use Unity for new games ever again, like me for example as I've switched over to Godot 4

@@M-uj2tr No, not every single one, only a small percentage Many were founded with AAA in mind, a studio being released a long time ago back when games were smaller doesn't change the definition of AAA games

@@M-uj2trAmazon games

@@M-uj2tr There are many studios that have been founded by big publishers that never were indie and literally started with millions of dollars.

Awesome to hear, yeah bad business doesn't persist for long it's cool to see these advancements similar to AI in preventing cheating. Thanks for your insight!

This seems...unlikely. Language hardly matters when the environment it's interacting with is massively different. On top of that, the context length of current LLMs is really not enough to actually understand the structure of complex codebases that many of these titles have. It's not like all of the C# scripts in a Unity game are self-contained, they'll certainly have imports from other files to improve the development experience and reduce repetition in the code. Without some sort of in-between interpreter that seeks out those bits of imported context to pass on the the LLM, it's just going to hallucinate and produce horrid code. I really can't see that improving development time all that drastically. It seems to me like it would be a bit of a hinderance in this case.

its limited to a point that it isnt really useable, that 96% number is unreliable and by someone who wants to spread propaganda. And I am sure you are also speaking out of your ass as your wording suggests you dont know basic programming, let alone game development.

As a maldev... LOL no. You can ask it to make whatever "conversions" you want but it absolutely changes the logic is insanely bad with memory management and doesn't understand nuance or style. Putting entire games worth of source code there? There's a very small character limit on all the llm engines. Even the highest end paid versions, which i pay for. Also is it LLM or AI? So much confusion in your one comment lol

​@@JacobZigenisit's unlikely. I guarantee his friend who probably developed a game like snake or Tetris was able to send the 30 lines of code to an AI and have it converted so he thinks major games can accomplish this too lmao😂😂 imagine submitting the entirety of a game like rusts source to an AI to convert is laughably noob thinking and insanely disconnected from reality.

Bussiness people never stop, they just will be much more carefull in future. Ot might take years, but they will keep changing unity for worse

@@Noone-we9vb I think Buddy's point is that it doesn't matter if Unity changes for the better and how. Buddy's comment is about customer (game devs and producers) perception of Unity. Unity is now forever tainted in the eyes of customers and potential customers. This history is indelible. Unity presents a significant risk to any dev or game producers using Unity or thinking of using Unity. A percentage of current customers would want to migrate away from Unity and potential customers should want to avoid Unity like it's the Black Plague. You've heard that saying, _"Sht_ _sticks"?_ Unity is now absolutely covered in it. Even if they did the smart thing and the CEO was replaced, along with all of the board of directors who supported him, Unity will still be tainted. There's only one thing that could save Unity-the-engine, at this point... it gets open sourced under a permissive free and open licence. In other words, the Unity game engine lives on, after the complete death of Unity the company. Outside of that, I feel that Unity _should_ have no long term future.

In their letter they accused the consumers (developers) of not beeing able to read properly and how we were wrong in understanding their initial statement.

Appreciate your support man!

trust me rust isnt gonna die, facepunch will most likely be creating their own engine for the game, so it will be better optimised and in general a lot more fun as they can tweak the engine based on what they want the game to have

tbf its not uncertain Facepunch works heavily on a own distribution of Source 2 which they wanted to use exclusively in the future anyway im looking forward for the ugprade from rust to rust 2 (doubt they will make a full on new rust more likely another engine switch)

With the pricing changes changed - Facepunch will simply not update the engine to the next LTS release, which will not give them any runtime fees. They will simply continue to _support_ Rust on the current engine version.

I think a new engine is now in planned development though from my understanding. I completely agree as well, there going to have to recreate everything if they switch. Which is why "Rust 2" is actually just Rust but on new engine.

@@JackShephardTV I think transferring to a new engine will be a pretty high debate on Garry's list right now depending on if Unity proceeds with these changes or not. I don't think Garry will make his own engine though. In terms of indie development success, Rust easily comes close to being at the top, but the amount of people that would be needed to create an engine from scratch that supports all of Rust's current requirements alone (not even considering future capability) is just not something Facepunch alone would be able to justify. I'd imagine this whole situation is probably very stressful for Rust's team because in this process if Garry commits to moving Rust to a new engine with the whole Rust 2 threat then the existing team would need to re-learn pretty much everything. If he doesn't bring on a new team to do this, there's going to be significantly more crunching in the office and we're looking at risking some of the current team because of it. On the other hand if Garry chooses to keep Rust 2 as a possibility but not pursue it, the thought of suddenly coming into the office one day and the decision being made to be basically uprooted and dragged elsewhere to re-make the game overnight because Unity decide to be shitheads a second time will probably be on the minds of quite a few team members. I think if the team don't know for sure what Garry's thinking, it could cause quite a lot of tension and stress.. However if Facepunch staff are openly saying it's not in development, probably means Garry has already told them what he's thinking and has made his mind up. If they were moving to a new engine/creating their own engine, I mean they're not dumb, they're going to be hyping the living shit out of that as soon as it's given the green light because it's a new major selling point for Rust.. They wouldn't be leaving it multiple weeks to decide for sure because the time they're wasting by waiting would only cause more expenses later on.

skins is a dumb reason. I agree that most would probably quit, but i could almost guarantee not because of skins. plus they could sell their skins if they wanted too or even transfer skins to rust 2 similar to csgo and cs2

I imagine skins would transfer over to Rust 2, just like CS:GO skins transfer over to CS2.

As other comments have said, assuming that they keep the game on steam transferring skins to a new engine would be pretty easy

I think it is guaranteed at this point with him working on s&box and having a lot of time to work on source 2 already

Source engine is know for how hard it is to use hence why no one uses Source engine. Besides valve, there is only a handful of games that are made under source engine.

​@MidgetBarmaid hey sorta right but also really wrong. I've worked on licensed source engine games as an engineer(non valve games), it's really easy to work with but very hard to expand. As far as many games not using it that's just not accurate tho. Titanfall and apex use a heavily modified and updated source engine. The Korean mmorpg vindictus runs on source (also heavily modified). Postal 3 and 4 (3 for sure I think 4 can't remember)

60+ yo ceo moment

It's insane, that anyone approved this idea in the first place. Regardless of Industry, you can't just change terms out of nowhere then shove it under the rug, in some cases that's a massive breach of contract.

It’s like selling a hammer and telling the customer they have to pay you every time they build a house.

The fact that he thinks that players wouldn't be "price sensitive" to a microtransaction for bullets 80 hours into a battlefield game is absolutely bonkers. If I was playing a videogame and ran out of ammo literally several days into it, and then the game asked me for my credit card information, all it would get is a negative review and an uninstall. These people are business majors who believe themselves to be master psychologists because they read about the shoeshine paradox as sophomores.

@@chonky2129 paying every time you strike a nail would be more accurate to this CEO's mindset.

Then who would that be?? What enterprise would benefit from suing a multi million dollar gaming company?

@@fanze6559 A small poor company like Nintendo that is 100% for sure cannot intimidate Unity. I mean Unity is a multi million dollar gaming company compared to Nintendo making 5k a month right?

@@fanze6559 The ones that will otherwise suffer with the probably unlawful fee

You are a true hero my friend lol. Thank you for your support.

I would wait several decades

There's people who exist who wait decades for new versions of a game. It certainly could work, especially with no real Rust competitor at the moment

I would wait a century @@CommandoBlack123

Haha, it's unfortunate that even since 2014 I don't think EA's positions have shifted all that much from what John had done originally.

Thank you Erwin appreciate you my guy.

Nintendo: 🥹 Nintendo's lawyers: 👹

Don't forget the countless indie companies, they have a stay in the war too

Always good to see you my guy Glad you enjoyed ❤️

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It was in the EULA if that you didn't agree to the current EULA, you can continue business under the old one you've agreed on. It was silently removed, which is dubious on the legality. This change said it will now charge per install on all present and previous Unity games. If you have copies, even if they're available to buy or not as if you remove your game from Steam, accounts that puchased that before its pull can still reinstall it, you will be charged. This extends to Online Only titles too, so you will be charged for a reinstall that the player is locked out of. The short answer is that it hasn't been explored thoroughly in court over time, but definitely has grounds for a class action lawsuit. Under these new rules, games pulled still count towards being charged per install as with the way its worded its a "for life" thing as the decision lies solely on Unity as a deciding factor.

From what I understand after reading up on it, the changes are only going to affect games that use the latest version of Unity and beyond. Older versions of Unity won't be affected as the Terms of Service are different (every version of Unity has their own independent ToS). So whether or not a game made prior to the changes, like Rust, gets affected is dependent ln what version of Unity it runs on. If Unity tries enforcing these changes on older versions, that's grounds for legal action as it violates ToS.

Thank you for your clear answer!@@jonathanoriley8260

It's likely possibility.

but s&box is dogshit

i was thinking about that! but i'm not sure how that would go. It's a new engine that isn't the best and has limitations. the s&box team already has lots of difficulties with making s&box working so i dont think we would see that coming soon or ever

It's defiantly something on the table. I assume will have an answer on what they plan on doing before the end of the year.

@@ced5552 Source 2 is the opposite of new. In fact it is more than a decade old.

@@roamn4979 as in there isnt much documentation and still is the wild west in terms of engine modification

@@ced5552 Makes sense 👍

Garry's mod 2 please.

It's insane that they let him be CEO at Unity after stepping down.

And who exactly would you sell the skins to? Nobody is going to spend money on skins for a game that's practically about to be abandoned in favor of its sequel.

@@Delfite he'd sell it to people who don't know any better. Huge chunk of any game's population is casuals, people who work long hours and don't have that much time to stay informed. Even Rust has them to some extent

7:01 is the x picture of Garry

My bad man, lol. I compared pictures and thought this was a more flattering one of Garry (they look very similar). Sucks to have that mistake in there, but you live and learn.

@@JackShephardTV add a note of that in the description.

Yes haha.

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Spooder thank you man!

Appreciate that, I had looked closer to compare to see if it was him or not for the photo. They both look very similar.

Exactly what I was thinking they already have devs that have good experience with the engine surprised I'm not seeing more people mention this tho S&Box hasn't had a lot of exposure yet.

S&Box is going to be a very exciting project.

Will see you this wipe! Thanks Grunt :)

a lot* allot means: give or apportion (something) to someone as a share or task.

no it isn't

Building a custom engine from the ground up with a small team when you are already in development of who knows what. This is one of the worst case scenarios for any dev team. The project zomboid team losing the one build they had was probably worse but not by much. In before people complain Facepunch is not a small Dev. Facepunch employs around 50 people, EA employs around 13400 people.

Probably was happy with the money he made and wanted to retire and live comfortably ever after. Jk, no clue though

My favorite developer!

If they remake a whole engine, yes it would be a new version as well.

It's coming next week to two weeks. Just trying to be more frequent on the uploads, didn't want to go a whole month again.

ok thanks for the update@@JackShephardTV

That was included at the end of the video. I agree with your points, however the bigger underlying idea is that most of these Studios will not support Unity in the future, and will probably have to make sacrifices it's unfortunate but it's what has to be done to better their games.

@@JackShephardTV it really sucks for me to be honest. In 2013 (I think? Might be 1 year earlier or later) I made the unfortunate decision to ditch UE4 and focus on Unity. I regret that decision.

Haha, my brother said the same thing. You can tell John doesn't really play any games lol.

Clearly. Actual gamers should be the head of a Game engine company. Not some Corporate jackoff from Wall St. like that guy@@JackShephardTV

It's just for suspense, if it was completely unrelated i wouldn't include it. However a general theme to the video is about Unity's corruption since their IPO, the reason I include those clips or other stories is to show people interested in Rust, the broader impact this situation had beyond the game. Thanks for your feedback.

Looking forward too it haha.