Next-Level Drum Mic Recording Setup with Jacquire King & Robot Monster

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Жыл бұрын

Learn the tone-shaping mic techniques that Grammy-winning producer Jacquire King (Tom Waits, Kings of Leon) used when recording ‪@robotmonstermusic‬'s new single "Out" at UA headquarters in Santa Cruz, CA.
Credits:
Performed By - @Robot Monster
Written By - William Brennan, Logan Sidle
Produced By - Jacquire King
Assisted by - Dawson March
Mixed by - Jacquire King
Mastered by - Pete Lyman
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@randomschittz9461 Жыл бұрын

For those of you who don’t have a sub kick, you can send your kick in channel to side chain a gate that’s being fed by a tone generator set at 50 - 60hz. Every time the kick hits it opens the gate and lets the sub tone through. You can play with hold and release to set your tail length. If you add distortion you can get into 808 territory.👍🏼 Jacquire is my favorite mix engineer along with Tom The Lord.

@HR2635 Жыл бұрын

agree.. there are many ways of emulating a subkick.. and as a drurmmer and engineer I have stopped using subkick mics as I get way better results from using a few plugins on a BD in or BD front mic. Basically any LDC condenser will be super fine to make a subkick sound. In REAPER (the one and only) there is a 50Hz kicker plugin (you can choose any frequency though!.. I mostly end up around 36-38 Hz) which makes everything easy. Then add a little compression and maybe a transient designer to control the ring/tone and a Analog Obsession RARE (pultec) to firm up the low end around 30 Hz with the pultec trick .. voila.. perfect subkick.

@LeChapeauMusic 10 ай бұрын

(the octave down and the ping pong ball techniques work well too!)

@pablogonnet6024 Жыл бұрын

The 3 most important things in this recording before all the mic and processing techniques: A great drummer, a great sounding kit and a great sounding room. In that order.

@jaegervand2112 Жыл бұрын

Weckl has made some great sounding recordings in not so great sounding rooms. Just sayin

@TheSpelderwinde Жыл бұрын

and not to be a contrarian, sure a good kit helps but you can get away with a cheap kit depending on what you're looking for. maybe a great sounding kit (for your creative expression) would be a better explanation.

@rockboy360 Жыл бұрын

@@TheSpelderwinde you can get away with a properly tuned kit, no matter how cheap or expensive if you have a great drummer. But cheap cymbals can destroy your mix unfortunately.

@johnkaplun9619 Жыл бұрын

Also great cymbals and mics make a big difference for the high end.

@HennesysHernandez Жыл бұрын

@@jaegervand2112 Great point! Funny that you mentioned Weckl. Not to sound like his lawyer - But speaking to a friend yesterday, in regards of some microphones recommendations that were made to him which prices were through the roof. I said to him - Dave Weckl has one of the BEST drum sounds in the world and uses microphones that cost three times less of the price than what you’ve been recommended and puts his drums to sing clearly. Which in return, his personal studio back in Los Angeles was not as fancy as the one here, and he’s achieved more with less. (Sorry is I went on a tangent) but, folks - training your ears is key!

@artysanmobile Жыл бұрын

Very early in my career (70s), I took full advantage of my own band’s captive ‘patience’ and with hours and hours of experimentation, found the exact same ‘overhead’ positions. Uncannily the same. I was using U87s at first but eventually realized I preferred a smaller capsule. I use that config to this day.

@AndrewMasters Жыл бұрын

Love this, nice work Jacquire and UA. I gotta get one of those sphere mics!

@BeauStephenson Жыл бұрын

It's super slick. I have a pair on a piano right now and it's pretty crazy what you can do in post.

@andreslozano6035 Жыл бұрын

I’ll sell you a brand new one that I just got in the mail as part of the 8X promo! Let me know.

@glennsmith3303 4 ай бұрын

This is so over my head. Incredible what goes behind this stuff. Thanks.

@sgfdancecompany Жыл бұрын

Jacquire is great!! thanks so much

@kevinafflack Жыл бұрын

I’ve always struggled with the three mic technique. Really looking forward to trying this out. Thx!

@RhettShull Жыл бұрын

This super helpful, thanks yall!

@nickshillito1170 Жыл бұрын

This is GOLD!

@ledhed927 Жыл бұрын

Love the use of the Trident EQ post 1176 LN 🤙 Such a flexible EQ to sculpt the (slightly) tamed transients; because of its looser curves this EQ really lets you shape how the drums (and anything else thrown at it) will be living, sonically, for the track/ project. But of course, it’s still all in the proper practice of microphone technique 🤘

@zikandgroovefr Жыл бұрын

I like the creativity, it's refreshing idea. Thank you, it helps me a lot for my video recording.

@assshakerstudios549 Жыл бұрын

More like this please!

@vhmendonca Жыл бұрын

Love it. that sub mic technique is spot on.

@joshmoates9730 Ай бұрын

That sound is pretty freaking spot on for that kind of music.

@composermalte Жыл бұрын

Wow! Thanks alot! That's mastermind right there. That coloration stuff is really nice! That's also quite a hughe load of information. For all Nerds, theres all you need for drum recordings, it's now officially out there. What a blessing. I like this modern kind of a library (KZfaq) that could last over decades or centuries potentially with free access to expertise and knowledge at your fingertips. What a way to learn nowadays. Isn't it wonderful to be a musician? Life is good. Thanks for contributing to this! : )

@PaulAnnis Жыл бұрын

Killer drum sound! Nice

@ThrillaPark Жыл бұрын

More! More!! MORE!!!

@catloverextreme Жыл бұрын

killer drum part.

@WarrenBey 8 ай бұрын

That's the most interesting mic setup I've ever seen. Is there a part 2 where he mixes this? I'd pay for it.

@prOkrEAt Жыл бұрын

Interesting mic setup overall. Is there a part 2 to this where you take all the mics and build it in the mix? Drums for me became my albatross. I listen to early recordings I did when young and ignorant with super limited gear sounded so good compared to as I learned more techniques and acquired better gear. Drove me nuts. Now that I'm old and taken a long break I want to come back in dumb again.

@TimNye850 Жыл бұрын

Awesome presentation. It really got me thinking of ways to get a more dynamic sound.

@frankgatsbybeats3999 Жыл бұрын

That harmonica mic sounded great

@DavidCaraccio Жыл бұрын

J.K - such a legend 🙌

@DamonZenDrummer Жыл бұрын

amazing video !!!

@ryanshook8284 11 ай бұрын

So many weird know it all’s in the comments. This is Jacquire King man. Put some respect on this mans name.

@jonathanbyrdmusic Жыл бұрын

14:30 is really worth sticking around for. Production 201.

@tech4976 6 ай бұрын

Right!

@jjboogie1 Жыл бұрын

Great stuff.

@ronaldirawan3643 Жыл бұрын

The overhead miking was inspiration

@nunyabidness5150 Жыл бұрын

Jacquire the man

@sethholston6128 Жыл бұрын

Oh snap it’s Robot Monster

@earthtolowen Жыл бұрын

Learned a lot from this. Thx for the vid!

@UniversalAudio Жыл бұрын

🥂

@rastAsia Жыл бұрын

Interesting use of the Sphere L22s!

@vintagephysics-audioproduc4394 Жыл бұрын

Some great info there! I'm surprised to hear so many chopped breaths and lack of cross fades in this video though. Aren't UA meant to be a company of and for Audio Professionals?

@publickx7611 4 ай бұрын

I love this - im attrmpting to s similar mic set up - for a dynamic mix in song - love this video 🎉🎉🎉🎉let you know howxwe do. Simple with some expansion later with room and other mics❤Wonderful thank you

@godofspacetime333 9 ай бұрын

Dude recorded Mule Variations AND Good News for People Who Love Bad News? I’m sold. Time to go fuck around with some drum mics.

@VudooChild 2 ай бұрын

My guy said “simplicity” with this setup but the more I listened the less simple it got.😂

@brendenrobertson 7 ай бұрын

great vid! Quality setup and results! Perhaps redefining the term "acoustic shadow" as a synonym for baffle. One of my texts refers to "acoustic shadow" as the time/space/phase relationship from a surface reflection back to the sound source. The acoustic shadow are the waveforms twice the distance/time and reverse phase of the distance from the sound source to the initial reflective surface.

@OverdriveMusic Жыл бұрын

RIP Geof Emerick. His book Here, There and Everywhere is great.

@anthemmakersmusic Жыл бұрын

Smiling

@anthemmakersmusic Жыл бұрын

Can you do a video on mastering for vinyl?

@axelvargas9016 Жыл бұрын

I’m interested on the room sound treatment. Any input on where to get similar, or where these were bought from?

@brettj.vanderlaan9562 Жыл бұрын

Love this. No bottom snare? Or just depends on the project?

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

Not a fan of bottom snare

@straightpathstudio8761 Жыл бұрын

Where would the mic placement be with 2 floor tom’s? I’m thinking between the tom’s to pick up both evenly

@PhillRS 10 ай бұрын

would like to see/hear those mics going through that Tree Audio...

@rickblackers88 Жыл бұрын

wow

@HybridMusicians Жыл бұрын

Jaquire, let me know when you are looking for an apprentice!✊🏾

@guillermocastromusic Жыл бұрын

To me Jacquire is the "modern" Glyn Johns. Thanks for sharing

@p0llenp0ny Жыл бұрын

Why? Because he uses Glyn Johns drum miking technique?

@guillermocastromusic Жыл бұрын

@@p0llenp0ny no, because he is open minded and tries different techniques. He is also very kind and polite, so...

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

👊

@morbidmanmusic Жыл бұрын

How about we just leave it as he is "jacquire"?! Peoplemare not copies of other people... And there is no best.. same logic.

@earthdweller4231 Жыл бұрын

@@morbidmanmusic it’s an analogy that worked in succinctly getting what they were trying to say across “this person is an innovator with valuable knowledge”. They weren’t trying to compare or say one is better.

@mickeybarajas4865 Жыл бұрын

Great !! What polar patern on the overheads mics ?

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

Cardioid

@robertopistolesi2735 Жыл бұрын

I imagine that cutting heavily the high freq. from some mics and using two different room mics causes a lot of phase/allignment issues. How do you deal with that? You do time align? Also: when you say you use plugis on the way in, are you printing tracks passing through the API plugin as if it were a real preamp ?

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

Less phase issues by eliminating frequencies and never time aline drum tracks to each other.. sounds wrong to me. API desk emulation is on playback but yes committed the record path plugs on the way in

@ericstanfield675 Жыл бұрын

@universal audio Any particular reason why you used the two separate api plugins rather than the api channel strip? Also, it would be nice to see the process of you actually blending all the mics for the mix.

@Daman07x Жыл бұрын

It is to avoid any unnecessary processing on the record path. We just needed the preamp and the EQ so that’s what we recorded through.

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

@@Daman07x Yes sir

@xenprovence6126 Жыл бұрын

Thanks! …speaking of subkicks, I discovered something that is new to me and wondering if anyone else has tried? : pumping a subkick mic on a 24” kick drum into a PA subwoofer in the room. For me, the kick bottom bleeding into my phones is the best kick drum sound ever! On playback, not so present on any one mic but with out it the sauce is gone.

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

Have done similar things for years

@godofspacetime333 9 ай бұрын

Flood did something similar when recording Jimmy Chamberlain’s drums for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Never heard of anyone else trying this, but now that someone out in the real world has tried it and gotten good results I’m definitely gonna try this next time around!

@thomaswhudson Жыл бұрын

How would some WA 87 R2s do in this overhead setup?

@RedMedicineRecording Жыл бұрын

Cymbals sound great in the balance. Do you always mute them with tape?

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

Only when it feels necessary

@dickjonesify Жыл бұрын

So great 👏🏼 Thanks for the info. I want more haha

@RoiKRodriguez Жыл бұрын

"I like to keep it simple so I'm dropping an harmonica mic on the ground, a subkick but it will be a sub-butt today and a couple digital processing modeled microphones pointing at the bass drum shell and everywhere else with the other... Oh! you'll notice that I don't even use toms microphones so as I said, simplicity! (Just joking btw xD Great job!)

@3ngi_n33r Жыл бұрын

I love my apollo 8p’s! I love being able to record through plugins and printing to “tape”! The UA stuff was a game changer for me!

@UniversalAudio Жыл бұрын

🤘🏻

@anthemmakersmusic Жыл бұрын

Well I don't have the green mic so low fi.with some heavy roll off and some filtering might get close smiling

@PeachEater81 Жыл бұрын

Hope your getting out to Pasatiempo! Any BURL plugins in the works?

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

🤙🤷‍♂️

@jakeperrine2488 Жыл бұрын

Unlikely: BURL was started by two guys who left UA… friends of mine.

@gregkrutsinger8738 Жыл бұрын

I’m looking at the Sd-1 for just another dynamic microphone to have. Does it really sound as good as the original Sm7 shure microphone? Looking for a different flavor on the snare

@UniversalAudio Жыл бұрын

We think it sounds better of course. 😃

@retiredlivingthedream Жыл бұрын

Hmmm . . a 16-minute vid about pro techniques for drum mic recording and the snare sounds like a $49.95 snare from JCPenney and the kit as a whole sounds like it was recorded with one $39 room mic from Radio Shack. W . . . T . . . F ????

@fonte935 Жыл бұрын

I don't use many mics on drums. You know, just 32 of them.

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

Can't please everyone but hope it gets some thoughts and inspiration going

@randomschittz9461 Жыл бұрын

You’re a legend brother. I would rather listen to your mixes than any of those turds that aren’t pleased.🤘🏼

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

@@randomschittz9461 👊

@ConReising Жыл бұрын

Didn’t realize their guitarist owned a shirt.

@HaggaiRongmei Жыл бұрын

Is that a solomon for the subs?

@ravenstudios347 Жыл бұрын

Would be great to know the size of the room Jacquire I’ve heard it said Glynn johns method is not suited to small rooms but I’m using in a 4m x 5m live room

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

For me this kind of approach works in all decent sounding spaces

@ravenstudios347 Жыл бұрын

@@jacquireking1154 thanks for the heads up that’s all the endorsement I need cheers 👍

@kajetanpilarski3866 Жыл бұрын

I used Glynn Johns many times with my drums, I have pretty small room. It sounds way better then regular stereo spaced pair in most cases

@ravenstudios347 Жыл бұрын

@@kajetanpilarski3866 exactly my experience more body fuller sounding - just that a well known producer commented about GJ not working in small rooms when my mate assisted on tracking the Cures drummer 😂

@area51pictures 11 ай бұрын

Student: “Do you measure the distance of the microphones?” Glyn Johns: “No. It’s bullshit.”

@jenriquegc5386 Жыл бұрын

"I prefer simplicity, especially with drums, because the more mics, the more complex it gets". And then he does a (3 mic) Glyn Johns... with NINE mics!

@gogo-bi9qh 4 ай бұрын

Ha - exactly!

@bcdrummer1962 Жыл бұрын

Are those 414’s in the standard cardioid setting, or a wider or narrower setting? My XLII’s have 6 different combinations from Omni on down….thanks!

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

Cardioid and narrower

@bcdrummer1962 Жыл бұрын

@@jacquireking1154 Thanks for the quick response!

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

@@bcdrummer1962 👊

@valik-stu Жыл бұрын

> I like less mics > kit mic, harmonica mic, sub behind, distant mono room interesting setup anyway)

@DamonZenDrummer Жыл бұрын

@JAQCUIRE KING can you speak to phasing with 9 drum mics….@universal audio…AMAZING VIDEO thank you

@thingybob54 Жыл бұрын

The Glyn Johns technique with the mics measured our carefully gives you a very strong foundation. Then you flip the polarity of the other mics back and forth to make sure they’re all working together properly, experiment with placement if one doesn’t seem to be sitting well, and then balance the levels in the way that feels the best to you. You’ll hear phase relationships differently depending on which mics you have featured more, and… if something really doesn’t work, hit that mute button!

@DamonZenDrummer Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@zuhstudio Жыл бұрын

Stereo mic is two mic in one. so it's ten mic overall ))

@UniversalAudio Жыл бұрын

💪🏻

@audiomaximo Жыл бұрын

Awesome

@ThePaulwarner 7 ай бұрын

“I’m also not miking the hihat..” Cut to the drummer sloshing the crap out of the hihat loud as possible

@anthemmakersmusic Жыл бұрын

Yes Fairchild is so dirty lol

@fabianrr Жыл бұрын

👌

@danymalsound 11 ай бұрын

Not a piece of actual analogue gear in sight. Rock on! 🤘🏻

@MCB-ls6nw Жыл бұрын

Nice rosey cheek beard

@cheschestofootlocker Жыл бұрын

Mic on the kick?

@jacquireking1154 Жыл бұрын

D112 I think is what we used

@iambridge1 Жыл бұрын

Just a few mics lol…..

@Lmbsniper 4 ай бұрын

This sounded complicated and expensive, SEE YA

@DanielClaytonFarnsworth Жыл бұрын

Man all that so that the snare could sound like it’s covered in towels.

@p0llenp0ny Жыл бұрын

Oh shit he we go again with that 8th grade riff.

@jimhardiman3836 Жыл бұрын

Almost every successful rock song from the last 30 years

@thagoatee Жыл бұрын

cymbals are taped sounds extreme dry

@PeeDeeJay Жыл бұрын

Wut?

@brownhooque 5 ай бұрын

Pt 2, find a bass player.

@xXValomatXx Жыл бұрын

I don't like the sound. It's to diffuse for my taste. Especially sn sounds really weird kinda washy and phasey with too much ambience to it. I'm missing some punch because i think the drummer is really accurate and good hitting...

@TheProducerTutor Жыл бұрын

I wish this mike setup was being demonstrated on a kit with a more open sound. Coated heads covered in tape with no resonance doesn’t really give the best impression of the OHs in particular. All sounds really choked. Shame!

@BeauStephenson Жыл бұрын

I mean, this is the sound he was going for and he nailed it. But if he was going for what you had in mind, it'd be really cool, too.

@TheProducerTutor Жыл бұрын

@@BeauStephenson yup, nailed his sound. But doesn’t really demonstrate the benefits of that mic config. On a totally dead kit you can get away with a lot.

@ledhed927 Жыл бұрын

@@TheProducerTutor Sometimes the kit needs to be a bit dead so it can rock 🤘

@TheProducerTutor Жыл бұрын

@@ledhed927 I don’t disagree with that at all. What I’m saying is a dead kit doesn’t allow this mic configuration to shine.

@blueflagmusic Жыл бұрын

Go listen to The Slider..T-Rex. Maybe Tony Visconti got it wrong as well? I checked your channel,you should stick to drum triggers and basic fockery you excel at.

@kylekatarn6056 Жыл бұрын

Sorry thats to much HocusPocus….

@simonsays9368 10 ай бұрын

Sort Of, Kind Of? the verbiage is not assuring

@user-gh9iw1of2y 7 ай бұрын

I don't like how these drums sound. I feel like you don't know how to tune them. No hate, just my opinion. And I'm not questioning your sound engineering skills; it's just about the tuning.

@JB-zg1ub 10 ай бұрын

Used to be a fan of this guy until he started posting conspiracy bullshit online.

@TempoDrift1480 Жыл бұрын

All I can say is that I can't wait for the trash crash/man bun phase to go away already. Every drum video I watch is a big fat twat knot playing $379 K's that sound like stock Pearl cymbals, thinking he's doing something "a little bit different".