7/8

You missed the Macedonian 7/8 :)

@@ackovski не може да ја удене 🤣

@@aleksandarmakedonski8282 ќе го научиме македонски, одма ќе го фати ритамот... :)))

Highlander?! McLeod lives! There could be only one!

maybe he's a pinball wizard

This needs more likes!!! 👍🏼

Subdivided...:you mean sudivisions...? In the high school halls,in the shopping malls?

Hey...yah...like all Native American music ever

awesome, he is the the clover kingdom king

I love it!

Best year ever

I had to triple check that this video wasn't 7-10 years old while watching it

😂😂😂

si

Omg, thank you! It finally makes sense. Great explanation.

Why I gave up piano once it got into all that. Did go to drums but played by ear……”yeah, good, sounds right, it’s ok.”

I just watched the Gene Krupa story. He did two awesome things: Rose to stardom as an ultra soloist and accompaniest then learned music 😊

I never knew drumming was this complicated. I have a new appreciation for drummers that can keep time. In the past I only focused on drum solos. 😁

thnx

I am genuinely curious, is this somewhat true?^^

@@gabrielfestini yes, you could technically count everything in 4/4. But then you have so many parameters going on, especially if you play with a band. So it is just easier to count it in a different or "right" time signature

A wise man said once - "Ey ohne Scheiß, ich hab das Gefühl die Kerzen ziehen die Wärme ausm Raum"

This is where we trade theory for true musicality.

That man never had to transcribe music.

I have lots actually. Different uses. :)

I recommend everyone listen to Uriah Heep, The Wizard

That's Dungeon Master territory.

@@Itsunclegabby I hope u arent saying what I think ur saying

He’s definitely sayings what you think he’s saying

This is obviously Radagast

This is obviously Radagast

This is obviously Radagast

This is obviously Radagast

in this world you are either a fun fella or a fun fella

The disrespect to professor flitwick

@@cai2727 True. Professor Flitwick be the reason for the ballroom dance music

Swish and flick

That bard magic you know

Music is a type of magic you know

What a deja vu. That is EXCATLY my story. Except for I’m also eating Doritos and getting crumbs all over by brand new Roland kit

​@@jimlahey3919I've been playing Drums on and off for 39 years mostly self taught with a lesson here and there and I actually got lucky on some of it but I was always a Led Zeppelin fan. Not so much a Tool fan. But all these different time signatures. WOW. It really opened up my mind. The 4/4 really is a regular ol time signature but it has so many uses. Bernard Purdy and John Bonham have always put me in some kind of trance. And Niel Peart 😊

all I ever think about when talking about odd signatures is tool 😭

or king gizzard !

@@salival. What about Rush?

Them too sometimes

Tool, the working class man's prog band.

Agree. This is a 70s time machine very cool demo/ info.

PS: I'm getting some weird comments in my inbox that are then being deleted. Note: I'm not saying he IS a prog drummer, as in his signature style...I'm saying he seems like someone who is INTO prog rock in my retro 70's movie I'm casting him in inside my brain.

You're casting this guy in a 70's retro movie in your head - I'm gonna have to nope on that, I've spoken with the people and this is something we need in full production

I was hoping for Genesis Apocalypse in 9/8 from Supper's Ready.

geek but yes

Was gonna leave this comment. Two triplets followed by a duplet is way easier to read in 8/8 imo.

@@MrButterInaCan yeah the way of writing them as mixed meters is like it was designed to look as confusing as possible

I totally agree!!!

You can play be ear. You're in good company (e.g., Lennon and McCartney).

Muhammad Avdol!

@@Rio_1111 YES! I am!

It feels good being your 1000th like... Oddly satisfying lol

One upperclassman helps. Many upperclassmen *help. Carry on.

I think you mean 5/4.

@@DJIncendration i think he means that there are so many jazz songs with odd time signatures that the normal (4/4) becomes odd

@@DJIncendration r/woooosh

Most jazz is in 4/4

He actually made a video on Masked Man’s Theme from Mother 3! It’s a good one kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hreRo6aDltHXc2Q.html

The song for the first masked man battle is in approximately 29/16. I’ve never gotten a 16 hit on it before

3+3+2 is extremely common in 4/4 music

No Quarter by Led Zeppelin and Times Like These by Foo Fighters are 8/8

8/8 also is used in agrupations of 3 - 3 - 2

And 5 6 7 8!

they don't count in 8/8: they count by packs of eight beats in quarters, never in eights (spent my whole life playing for dance classes), easier to manage

@@kailin98 nonsense ?

@@frankfertier34 you can change the technical timing to adjust for that

You'll literally have to wait for 12 years

I can't wait that long. Gunna do something else.

Nearly a million already

@@generallygrateful1952 That's 378 million seconds. 60x60x24x365x12 = 378,432,000.

cant wait for this comment to be 12 years old

Hmmm

Old school death metal is extreme polka

I’ve said the same thing about certain thrash metal songs. Makes sense since thrash is punk rock combined with New wave of English metal.

As a big punk fan, and also love polka/irish/folk/Celtic music, yes it's a spot on observation

I tried telling my parents this in high school. they didn't go for it, but a small part of me thinks they appreciated my academic approach to justifying my punkness.

I agree. I’ve never played the drums a day in my life, and this dude might as well be speaking a foreign language, but I too kept watching because da wizard is entertaining. 🍻

Apex legend mirage

i wasn't and i'm 10.. mabye because i'm a drummer lol

thats literally the easiest fucking thing there

The last two rhythms have broken my mind. And I refer to physical pain, how can drummers dominate that beasts? e_e

to write prog you actually roll the dice and pick numbers. then just randomly switch it

Lmao

Prog was probably invented when a guys record player was skipping and he said "huh that sounds cool"

Gotta love prog

@@brenjmorris yea same

Haha

lmaoo

😊

ikr? His delivery was stellar. Most good advert/endorsement I see on youtube relies heavily on text or editting, but this guy was more convincing in his acting.

@@thecoreybrown why does haha translate to lol lol

was looking for this comment!

I was almost convinced but there was no cursing

@@palmeraniian good

Played guitar for 25 years. Mediocre drummer at best. I definitely can't wrap my head around what he's telling me. It just strikes me as, " just follow the drummer. "

they're for playing, reading, and understanding music. they don't make a huge difference when listening to music, tho. essentially just gives you a vague idea of how to count and play a piece. such as 3/4 taking a slower, more elegant tone compared to 2/2 being faster and more exciting. they also tell you when a downbeat is. they aren't the most essential when it comes to easier pieces, but they make such a big difference in more complex pieces with how much easier they make it to understand tl;dr: they're to make sharing music between people easier

idk if its what you wanted but if i ever want to find a time signature, i tap along to the beat and it comes naturally, thinking too hard about it makes it more difficult imo

@@justandardprocedure On your keyboard hit shift + < and slow it down.

@@cowboybob7093 thanks Cowboy Bob. The only one I understand is 3/4 time the Walt's

where drumming, instead of coding, has saved him from falling into crumbling self destructive & degenerate tendencies

@@koaladelespace It must be all that Monster

This Michael Reeves would make the kind of chaotic videos like 'I made my roommate's glasses break by drumming to the right frequency'

If in this universe Lily actually talk through her mouth instead of talking nasally, i'm in.

lol i was thinking exact same thing

Erica! You can't be here, this place is filled with children

What's this? A crossover episode??

I knew I wasn't the only one lmao

You're a legend

remember when the academy in charge of the grammys renamed the “urban contemporary” category to “progressive r&b”? yeah, this

Andre has been known to bust out in some wild theremin solos during practice sessions (but not really)

Outcast - Abysmal

They’re D-Beat OBVIOUSLY

Always has been

You know, it's crazy. Maybe it's because I was always musically inclined, but I always found myself counting beats, looking for the downbeat, which is how I unofficially learned meter. Lol

I appreciate this video trying to teach me, but I just can't hear it. I suck.

It's good stuff. When you really break it down it's just fractions. I always tried to explain time signatures to students as (how many)/(what kind). How many beats is the top number, what kind of beat is the bottom number. And just like fractions, the stuff that maths out the same can kinda be inter changeable depending on how you are feeling it. So 1/1, 2/2, 4/4, 3/4 and 6/8, etc.

@@Sophistry0001 very interesting

@@ElderCM You'll get it eventually. No rush... Drumming, much like life, is all about timing and pace.

Phils 70s genesis drumming is some of the best ever

Saw Genesis in 1984, they had two drummers. Phil Collins and the other drummer did a drum solo duel/duet that was the coldest shit I've ever seen live.

the song dance on a volcano by genesis has some odd stuff in it as well.

Huh neat

And then you hear Phil Collins' work on Brand X

I honestly never thought of it as anything more than a standard time signature

@Bad_Script Yep , that is how I counted it . The first time I played it I had never heard it and was doing a walk in with a covers band at a wedding ... The bass player was also a drummer and conducted the ONE TWO when it came around then went back to singing ... All made sense after that

@@weehudyy That is correct, harkens back to the drama on tiktok if it was in 11 or 4/2 alternating. It's the 4/2 as someone who has seen it notated for pep band tunes

@@bakerfam1000 Used a lot in country music . Townes Van Zant's ' Pancho and Leftie ... Bob Dylan slips in the bar of two four every now and then ... Then there is the mid section weirdness of King Crimson's Starless ... 13/8 , but break it into two bars of 3/4 two of 2/4 and another of 3/4 ( 1-2-3 , 2-2-3 , 1-2 , 1-2 , 1-2-3 ) and away ya go .

Love you Eric !!

I personally have a sneaking suspicion that Big Time Rush is withholding the secret of 19/37 timing...

Sorry I would like, but it's at 69.

@@eric8764 not anymore

@@23Bandz_ You like watching civilisation burn 😭

FOR REEEALS lmao

I just watched it today and I feel the same way

Same here 🤣

That means you feel it. Neil peart didn’t count he felt it

However many times it's been explained to me, I've never understood time signatures. But Cobb does a great job anyway LOL

Same with me.. Same as playing guitar..I dont read actual music I just do it..

Very slow tempo only use sixteenth notes

Very fast tempo slow down time to make note last longer

mh, that's an interesting point. I ain't no expert on this, but this thought immediatly came to mind: could some drone music be counted on 1/1? cause if so there's plenty of great 1/1 tracks out there!

Technically you could do any song in 1/1 if your conductor is willing to give you enough downbeats lmao

You're right! 😆🤣

I'm a pianist too and the time signature applies to us as well, the real challenge is the off time signatures in jazz and progressive rock (:

I recommend Bartok to learn to count in different time signatures as a pianist.

You guys have pitch to worry about though and that's confusing to me still.

Still better than clef changes

@@gageharden1423 Nah, for pianists pitch isn't a concern. Press the key and you get a fixed pitch. For other instruments (or voice) getting pitch and intonation correct can be very tricky.

Take Five is pretty smooth

Polka never dies amirite

I love when punk gets fused into genres/styles you wouldn't normally find it. Flogging Molly (folk) and Gogol Bordello (gypsy/polka) are a couple bands that fit that spectrum that I enjoy a lot.

@@jery3385 my son is 8 and is a drummer in a local polka band. He plays bass and snare.

@@joshsimmons2663 damn, at such an early age? That's great!

@@jery3385 been playing since he was 5. Plays the piano, accordian, tuba and trumpet as well

Tubular bells is 15/8 (really it’s an 8/8 and a 7/8)

Aye Tool made it twice wassup

@@chelfyn That's actually a big misconception due to the confusion between the denominator and the beat. Firstly though, let me amend my comment as I meant to say that it was a combination of 14/8 (not 7/8) and 16/8, which if you combined would be 30/8, or rather simplified to 15/4. That's where the confusion comes in. The piano rhythm is quite fast so it wouldn't make sense for each quarter note value to be 2 notes each, making each note an 8th note. As a result, the first half of the riff is 14 8th notes and the second half is 16, hence why I said it alternates between them. If we called it 15/8, then that would mean every quarter note value had 4 notes and it would be slower than walking speed, especially for a riff at that speed. Faster notes generally should be attributed to a faster beat, and the denominator of the time signature should represent the beat value. It's like the 7/4 vs 7/8 argument. An example of 7/4 is Money by Pink Floyd because the quarter note is the recognised drum beat and translates when it switches to 4/4 in the guitar solo. An example of 7/8 is Tom Sawyer by Rush where the exact opposite happens. The main beat is a slower 4/4 but switches to 7/8 during the synth and guitar solo section, translating that quarter note feel where it feels like 4/4 but missing an 8th note. To sum it up, it's more accurate or at least simpler to say that Tubular Bells is a combination of 14/8 + 16/8, or at best 15/4 if you truly wanted to condense it all to one measure. 15/8 implies that it's much slower than it is. The speed is about the same as the 7/8 section in Tom Sawyer, and thus if considered 15/8, would make the beat the same pace as the verses of Tom Sawyer, which it definitely isn't.

Another 15/8 one I believe is the intro and outro of I Think I Lost My Headache by Queens of the Stone Age

I personally think that feeling very whacky time signatures is much easier when you split them up, especially when the down beat falls in specfic places in between the larger time signature. For example, the main riff in Lateralus by Tool not only is written, but also is better felt as 9/8, 8/8, 7/8. This was actually how the riff was meant to be written and felt, since Adam Jones said the song was going to be called 9-8-7 and he realised that 987 was a fibonaccian number - hence why there are multiple references to the fibonacci sequence in the song. It may be easier to write out on paper as a combination of the smaller time signatures, but I think that reading and particularly feeling these types of songs makes more sense to write them as changing time signatures. However this does also depend on where the downbeat falls. Another example you've given is 7empest (sorry to use Tool again I do listen to other bands I swear lol), and here you would have a hard time counting all the way to 21 before starting a new bar. I would count this as 10/8 (some would say 5/4) and 11/8 changing, since it is obvious where the downbeat falls. (7empest can also be counted as 3 sets of 7/8 is you're a nutter) Hope this makes sense :)

How did you accent the 23? I’m guessing 6,6,6,5

@@reactions4u438 Actually, there were no accents, as there usually are in odd meter. The first bar of the piece was in 4/4, and then the transition happens right after. It's just alternating patterns of 4 and 3 all throughout. That simple. And if you're curious, it's the Ganondorf theme from Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

@@johnnytheyoungmaestro that’s interesting… I’ll check it out

@@reactions4u438 Yeah, it's quite interesting, seeing as how the accents of odd meter usually determine your pattern of conducting. But I self-taught myself that 23/16 time signature, although it could be way different for other pieces with the same thing. It just depends, really, if there are any accents to look out for.

23/16!? Huh?!

I was just browsing & wasn’t even really gonna watch this video, but that intro totally sold me!

what is this, a crossover episode?

@@dissonantdreams same

I've titled a work presentation in that format before :D

Fr it had me thinking I was watching bojack horseman for a split second

Almost 40 but still don't understand the difference between to and too 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@kevin_nagle give it a rest man

@@kevin_nagle Where is your comma? Your punctuation? You're better than this Kevin! Lol!

@@chrismahermusic5142 it's all just bustin balls with us 40 year olds 😆

@@chrismahermusic5142 take me to xhurch I'll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies I'll tell u my sins and you can sharpen your knife offer me that deathless death oh good God let me give you my life Pls critique my voice I have start 2 sing and I think I m singing quite well I post my sing to this comment pls give honest rate thank u

yes it is, it's also Jeff Porcaro's Rosanna (Toto) shuffle

@@majeutycah Porcaro has a vid where he says he took both the purdie shuffle and fool in the rain and came up with the Rosanna groove.

For some reason I thought he was gonna modulate

Tool

There's a good Spotify playlist with songs that feature the Purdie Shuffle, and there are a few not on there like King Gizzard's Beginner's Luck or Ben Jones' remix of Latch...

best comment ever

One would say, he’s always in time

xD

A wizard is never rushing, nor is he dragging. He in precisely the time he means to.

no wonder drummers are always late for practice

The similar construction of punk and polka songs explains how they can be melted so perfectly for bands like flogging molly and pixies. In fact there are a lot of Irish bands like that and it's all quite fascinating...they start out respectable enough and then you get a little booze in them (another common thread of both genres) and the shift takes place. I will leave it for each person to decide which is which 🍀😂💚😂💚😂🍀

Ah yes... but the beads and the aged secret Zildjian alloy make it all the better . 😏

I suspect Hendrix would sound like Hendrix on any guitar....the music comes from the musician.

@@johnbemery7922 lol, well yes to an extent, maybe. But the tone of the instrument also makes a huge difference. Think Pantera, or Van Halen. They have very distinct guitar tone, and in fact EVH is kinda famous for that tone, which is why the 5150 and Peavy 6505 are so iconic in rock and, particularly, metal. Same can be true in drums: low quality cymbals or drum shells can put off harsh, unpleasant, and annoying frequencies (like the Zildjian ZBT cymbals do, in my opinion). But of course great musicians and audio engineers may be able to work around or mitigate such shortcomings. But I'm rambling at this point.

Speaking of Hendrix. By stringing his guitar upside down, he had some modifications issues affecting intonation. To make up for it he detuned every string a semitone. Plus he played EXTREMELY "loose" aka expressive or trance like. All 3 of these things are as unconventional as it gets!!! & yet he sounded incredible. So his strings were backwards. They were also out of proper tune, & he played way too loose which caused him to make lots of mistakes, but this genius & master of a guitar player made it all incredibly unnoticeable.

But didn't Jimi play a right handed guitar just flipped around to lefty,so the strings where just the same if you flipped them to right so no restringing!

Fice

Also Mission Impossible

Or the Gorillaz song 5/4.

Or Radiohead - 15 Step

OK so apparently I've heard Take Five, but just never knew it as "Take Five". It was always just kind of there. I still think the most famous 5/4 tune that EVERYBODY knows (but probably doesn't know is 5/4) is the original TV theme to *Mission: Impossible.* Am I nuts?

Nice

Right. Save urself the trouble. Playing an instrument is like being in a relationship. One relationship alone is hard enough to maintain. So for any novices out there heed my wise advice, & choose one or the other. If I had known how much time both relationships involve when I was younger I woulda chosen only the guitar. Choose wisely my friends:D

We’re not being critical; we’re just observing that this content feels like it’s from a different era of KZfaq.

@@NoTraceOfSense Fact.

#KevinCrabbDrums

@@NoTraceOfSense and its a good vibe

@@charlablevins474 and Kevin Paradis too. He's another incredible drummer.

Lmao ain't that the truth and it's what made watch this because I'm one of those "guitarists".

I gave up 3 minutes in lol

what every guitarrist should understand if he is in a band

Guilty as charged, didn’t use a metronome but people so far didn’t mention anything about my timing in my KZfaq music vids

@@citrus7115 No, Money is in 7/4, not 7/8.

Definitely

Or Blackened by Metallica

21/8

Money is compound meter. 7/4 or 7/8 are simple meter. In this case, the bottom number just changes the way you write it, it sounds the same. Compound you divide each beat by 3 (like triplets). Simple meter, by 2: 4/4 = 1e 2e 3e 4e 4/4 compound is 12/8 (the way you get it is multiplying the top number by 3 and the bottom by 2, 4x3=12 and 4x2=8, then you get the 12/8. Imagine blues, they are usually 12/8, meaning you count four, but each beat is divided by 3, so 1ee 2ee 3ee 4ee (Tears For Fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World is 12/8) 6/8 is compound of 2/4, meaning you count 2 dividing each beat by 3, 1ee 2ee (Beatles - Oh! Darling is 6/8). It's different from 6/4, which is simple meter and you count 6 dividing by 2: 1e 2e 3e 4e 5e 6e (Soundgarden - Fell On Black Days is 6/4). So, a 7/4 (or 7/8, 7/16, whatever), is simple and you divide by 2, 1e 2e 3e 4e 5e 6e 7e (Seal - Dreaming In Metaphors is 7/4 - you find its music sheet in 7/8 because its the best way to write it, but it's not compound) Money is like a blues, but a 7 time blues, so you get that division by 3 of each beat. remember the formula, 7x3=21 and 4x2=8, so the compound version of 7/4 is 21/8. 1ee 2ee 3ee 4ee 5ee 6ee 7ee During the solo part it's 12/8 (4/4 compound).

Lars: hold my drum sticks, I'm out.

this whole thread is legendary

@@zxa402 kek

@@zxa402 so true! 😂

Porcupine Tree: Hold our pi/78

lol

Yer a drummer Harry!

Subdivisions; Classic!

I like this video. He's not detached, and subdivided, in the mass-production zone.

Cursed knowledge

Ska lives

He doesn't quite hit the D-beat.

What is this? A crossover episode?!

*ERICA!*

It's disappointing i had to scroll so far down to find this comment, but glad i did! Doggy doggy what now

@@FernandoWhitehorn I thought exactly the same, my Peanurino brother

WhatTimeIsItdotcom

Literally

SAME HERE. I've had this recommended like 20 times a day. I finally am watching it right now. Lol.

Lol same

His "Hey ya" singing in a wizard hat magic lured me in as well. I resisted for like a week, but here I am. With no regrets.

@@jojoversus1100 same

KZfaqs been listening to us rehearse and they're like "PLEASE watch this video, for the love of god"