Unlearning Your Pain w/ Dr Howard Schubiner

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Жыл бұрын

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Today I speak with one of the world’s foremost experts on pain management Dr. Howard Schubiner ‪@hschubiner‬. Dr. Schubiner is the director of the Mind Body Medicine Center at Ascension Providence Hospital in Southfield, Michigan, and a Clinical Professor at the Michigan State University College of Human Medicine. He has authored three books: Unlearn Your Pain, Unlearn Your Anxiety and Depression, and Hidden From View.
Dr. Schubiner is also the co-creator of Emotion Awareness and Expression Therapy (EAET), an evidence-based, highly effective psychological treatment for chronic pain. He was part of the team that conducted the Boulder back pain study which demonstrated that 75% of the people with chronic back pain treated with Pain Reprocessing Therapy recovered fully and documented the changes in the brain that occurred with this treatment using function MRI scans.
This is a fascinating and really informative conversation on the nature of pain and how we can overcome the suffering it causes. I hope you enjoy listening.
LINKS:
Dr. Schubiner Website: UnlearnYourPain.com
Mind Body Connection Animated Video Series:
OvidDx
PPDassociation.org
TMSwiki.org
Sirpa.org
Curable App
FreedomFromChronicPain.com
Lin.Health
About:
Dr. Howard Schubiner is an internist and pediatrician, who attained the rank of full Professor at Wayne State University School of Medicine in 1999. He is an internist and the director of the Mind Body Medicine Center at Ascension Providence Hospital in Southfield, Michigan. Dr. Schubiner is a Clinical Professor at the Michigan State University College of Human Medicine and is a fellow in the American College of Physicians, and the American Academy of Pediatrics. He has authored more than 100 publications in scientific journals and books, and lectures regionally, nationally, and internationally and has consulted for the American Medical Association, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, and the National Institute on Mental Health. Dr. Schubiner is the author of three books: Unlearn Your Pain, Unlearn Your Anxiety and Depression, and Hidden From View, written with Allan Abbass, MD, a Professor of Psychiatry at Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
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@RobLewis3 7 ай бұрын

I'm praying for everyone with pain. There is hope. I'm also praying that I can live a full life regardless, forget my symptoms and do what I have to do.

@reg8297 Ай бұрын

Tried everything 12 years severe chronic pain lost my hair also from the constant trauma caused over chronic nerve pain tried vitamins therapy read dr sarnos book still same so fruatrating

@laurabehenna7950 Жыл бұрын

I discovered Dr. Schubiner and his work a month ago and have been doing what he says to do. My long covid symptoms have improved at least 50% in that time and I'm looking forward to a full recovery. I'm very grateful for his important work and to all those who spread the word about it.

@gitteolsen8358 Жыл бұрын

Hi Laura. Do you have any special video you have used or did you read the book(s)? I am trying to figure out how to start… (LC for 13months)

@krushdy Жыл бұрын

Great to hear this Laura! Dr. Schubiner is a rare breed of doctor who prioritises compassion above all else and still manages to be a world-leading researcher in pain management and brain-generated pain. we need more doctors cut from the same cloth!

@wordwordful Жыл бұрын

Long Covid is the same symptoms has Chronic Fatigue Syndrome that accompanies Fibromyalgia. That's what my Doctor said 30 years ago my brain was sending wrong messages to my body. Fibromyalgia is horrendous.

@littlelumber Жыл бұрын

@@gitteolsen8358 hi, I’ve found most of my resources on KZfaq. I’ll listen to stuff like this, I really like the Mindful Movement for meditation and “The Way Out” is a great book. I’m still working through this and have had a few small break-throughs, but continue to have pain.

@gitteolsen8358 Жыл бұрын

@@littlelumber Thx - me too :) I am a reading some pages everyday... hope to get to the good part soon ;)

@susanleigh9281 11 ай бұрын

This is so refreshing! I am open to the possibilities of being pain free again. Thank you so much!

@warriorgooseseller 7 ай бұрын

It’s legit. It can take some time. It’s not a race.

@privateperson5769 Жыл бұрын

This guy Dr Schubiner is GOLD and A - mazing !! TY for the interview, Thank G*d for Dr's like him and that he is sharing SO much online - how humble and generous of him. My Dr's reaction to 2O years of chronic pain is to let me suffer. They do not offer me drugs, except Paracetamol; and NSAID's, which I can no longer take. They just do not know how to help you. It is understandable - but to be just left to suffer - it is awful. And some of the reax from Specialists was degrading and just a terrible experience. I AM GOING TO DO THS STUFF HE TALKS ABOUT . I have always said, after 2O years of chronic illness - the only person who is going to be able to heal this is - ME. I don't know how - maybe now I have the keys from this Dr - but if I can't do it, no Dr can do anything for me.

@backtobeingmethod Жыл бұрын

exactly what you said.. doctors do not know, because they are not taught how to, and its the system that is broken. Doctors like Dr. Schubiner are a ray of light and I hope more medical professionals can start adopting this empathetic way of empowering patients. Sending you lots of strength and thank you for sharing so courageously.

@jojamieson3153 Жыл бұрын

Agree Jacqueline. I was in the same boat. When you stop looking to others to heal you, and realize we can do ourselves, it's empowering. All we needed was someone (be it God) to show us the way and shine the mindbody light! 🙌👍💝

@arthurfonzarelli9828 11 ай бұрын

Maybe you don't need drugs that's why he doesn't want to offer them to you. If you follow this program here then drugs won't do nothingb other than get you addicted

@galacticwarrior4089 9 ай бұрын

Knowledge will heal you . Just be strong in flare ups and stick to the plan. Were all gonna make it

@sharonlujan9497 9 ай бұрын

I have to tell you dr. Shubiner, I finally got totally free of my pain an moved into a new apt. this only goes to show you all your theories are correct. Im no longer living on that busy street an walking to the busstop every morning!! I am safe resting and only go out when I actually need to

@reg8297 Ай бұрын

Was it chronic nerve pain wat u do

@sharonlujan9497 9 ай бұрын

My pain is here from the loss of a loved one

@Valeriefo 4 ай бұрын

Me too 😢

@peachesmcgee4795 2 ай бұрын

Same but it's massively lowered now due to all the work I've even doing. Wishing you all the best.

@iamtiredofthisshit Ай бұрын

Hope you're getting better. Sending love

@nargisbbyounis 11 ай бұрын

I have been struggling with back problems for over 4 years, someone suggested my pain maybe neuroplastic. I completely dismissed it and would not entertain it. Something changed about 3 weeks ago I started reading and watching videos about pyschosomatic pain. Knowing that there was nothing structurally wrong with me (had mri, X-ray) I decided to give the techniques a go and I’ve dramatically changed in my pain levels I actually can’t believe it. In the back of my mind I sometimes still go back to thinking there is something wrong and I still feel pain. But the pain intensity and my fear levels have changed so much.

@nargisbbyounis 10 ай бұрын

@jak9955 verbal messages could be ‘there’s nothing structurally wrong with me’, ‘this pain is just temporary’, ‘my brain has learnt this pain,I’ll be fine’, my brain is misinterpreting the signals’ …

@joanw9091 10 ай бұрын

@jak9955 follow Pain Free You. Great videos to teach the concepts.

@SellyNue 10 ай бұрын

@jak9955Following.

@pattyboucetta1897 6 ай бұрын

What did you do exactly?

@markhayman-martinez1007 6 ай бұрын

It's a huge and important point that "The pain is real".. because with the current atmosphere of medication-averse young MDs, a patient gets hyper aware that their doctor thinks that they are "drug seeking" when they even MENTION that there could be an emotional aspect. You've GOT to start with "The pain is real".

@ThePettyCelebrity 10 ай бұрын

I get everything the good doctor said, but the years of misdiagnosis to millions and millions who died and of ruined lives...This is the reprocessing point where my thought pivots...I am thankful I'm still alive...Anyways, I am glad this conversation is getting to more and more people.

@SellyNue 10 ай бұрын

I feel conflicted: on one hand, i have structural pain, if i would sign consents, I have surgeons who would move forward with no less than 6 surgeries. Its comforting knowing that my brain isn't "creating the pain". On the other hand, it seems that it would be easier if my pain was "just" TMS. Even when i take the assessment, I don't score a "TMS score".

@MulberryWombat 8 ай бұрын

I started using this approach as a massage therapist with my clients and am already seeing huge progress in chronic pain cases across the board. Thanks so much for bringing this information to light.

@SellyNue 7 ай бұрын

Do you mind if I ask how you implement this approach as a massage therapist?

@MulberryWombat 7 ай бұрын

@@SellyNueby just talking about peoples pain with them, getting to know their stories, validating them and showing them this new lens to interpret their chronic pain through

@reg8297 Ай бұрын

@@MulberryWombatcan tell u it dont matter how u interprer it i habe chronic debilatating nerve pain 12 years now i can barely function ive tried reading dr sarnoz book therapy for years everhthing i.got injured in my last job tryin to save old man from a fall i was abused my hole life also have emotional pain nothing works ive tried everything even exercise walk when i get more debilatated

@auriatonaco7801 Жыл бұрын

Great interview. Thank you so much ♡

@TSis76 Ай бұрын

Thank you for this

@ProfAhmadSetteen Жыл бұрын

Excellent

@Helena-nu3cr Жыл бұрын

An example of say bulging or herniated discs causing pain, & some people with these diagnoses not experiencing pain, surely it would depend on whether the bulge/ herniation is pressing on nerves or not ?? If the bulge was pressing against a nerve then that is real pain yes?

@theirishgirl6809 8 ай бұрын

My problem! My mind can't STOP MY PAIN! COPE WITH PAIN? MAYBE!!!

@lucrativeleadershipconvers5149 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely, pain from injury is real and healing is necessary. It's when the pain paves neural pathways that expect it, it become part of predictive processing cognitive structure. It's unconscious. Look up Active Inference for more explaination.

@jimholland248 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Karim...great interview with Dr Schubiner, heard Howard talk many times, but it's always great to hear again!! Very comprehensive / helpful discussion.

@Tinyteacher1111 2 ай бұрын

Lyme, bacterial infections, viruses, rheumatoid factors, Ankylosing spondylitis, bulging discs, mold toxicity, chronic strep, autoimmune diseases, etc. are all contributing to my 69 year-old body. I ache so bad, I feel useless now.

@tmbarry 4 ай бұрын

Every option should be available to people in pain.

@pattyboucetta1897 6 ай бұрын

Doc, if our TMS is self punishment due to parental guilt how do we teach the brain there’s no danger?

@theusconstitution1776 Жыл бұрын

Coming up on 13 years seven surgeries a whole pile of different procedures many different medication‘s over the years lost everything my career my friends my confidence everything but my wife now because I have a series of MRIs showing the problems in the lower spine at all these doctors now that I’ve had a few surgeries nobody will touch me they all look at it and say well pain medication is your only answer when they tell me it’s gonna get worse and I believe it is can my brain do all of that?

@backtobeingmethod Жыл бұрын

Hope & optimism can carry us through even the darkest of times, I chose not to rely on pain medications and it wasn't an easy journey but I am so grateful that I made that choice. When our mind gives up, our body gives up. Sending you strength in your journey, keep going theres hope!

@peggymeyers1508 Жыл бұрын

Yes, your brain can cause all these symptoms, follow painfreeyou utube, it follows up on this. Life changing!

@aymanreal Жыл бұрын

23:31: That's it, if you get nothing out of this interview, that would be it

@mkh2799 3 ай бұрын

🙏

@pattyboucetta1897 6 ай бұрын

How to handle the symptom imperative?

@MK7of7of7of7 10 ай бұрын

I don't know, and I don't know an effing thing anymore. Lower, mid, upper back pain and both hands. Not much of my body not affected and it has been since I was a teenager from accidents that happened before puberty. Surgery? Doctors won't touch me, too dangerous. A good thing probably but now they are taking away medication because the government has determined how much is ok for my type of pain. Makes my trigger finger itchy, only so much I'm going to experience.

@robinelliott5561 10 ай бұрын

Dr. - could this apply to Protracted Acute Withdrawal Syndrome - something that happens to people who have tapered off prescribed benzodiazapines??

@sweetmountainbaby 10 ай бұрын

Hi I’m 6 years in brutal pain due to a forced cold turkey off 16 years on ativan I was given in the ER for ONE PANIC ATTACK! Was prescribed 4x a day . Shame on the Drs that do this and on me for trusting them ! Never again as I research everything now ,however it’s too late 😔 My pain leaves me unable to sit ,stand or lay down without excruciating pain! I’m trying this approach now as test after test comes back normal . I do have a neck injury and some low back issues but nothing that ever needed and surgery. This will be the miracle I’m looking for 🦋 The best to everyone and to the protracted damage to many people suffer at the hands of Drs . Thank goodness for Drs like Dr Schubiner 💜

@nicolelee6591 9 ай бұрын

Oh I’ve never heard of this but I am currently tapering off of Benzos after 15 years

@aWOKEn1445 11 ай бұрын

👍👍👍❤

@ladymuck2 Жыл бұрын

What about nervous exhaustion and fatigue

@krushdy Жыл бұрын

Hi Angelica, I’d suggest looking into some evidence based 8 week mindfulness programmes like MBSR and MBCT. Can also look into the stress reaction cycle and it’s impacts. Beyond that, diet (particularly vitamin and mineral deficiency) and getting some regular mindful movement going may be helpful. The irony is that our cells produce more mitochondria when we move, and they are the fuel/energy for life. It’s counter intuitive but often the best thing to do when feeing fatigued is to do some light exercise, even if it’s anabolic (gentle movement only). I wish you well.

@shiuchuanli Жыл бұрын

Is there a email address for questions to be sent to Dr Schubiner

@backtobeingmethod Жыл бұрын

This is his website! unlearnyourpain.com/

@pattyboucetta1897 6 ай бұрын

I recall that no doctor who worked with Sarno ever referred anyone to him! Docs don’t want to hear this.

@HUGEFLYINGWHALE 11 ай бұрын

I find it a bit paradoxical how the sarno guys completely reject conventional treatments (which makes sense as they do not work) but rely religiously on conventional diagnostics. I believe if all tests are ok it doesnt mean youre physically fine, it just means we dont have good enough tests yet. Also, an old relative of mine with terminal cancer had a huge symptom relief on a vacation so thats not really a clue to psychosomatic pain. I think any chronic pain from any illness is dynamic and responds to mood and life events. Also, the main stressor in the patient's life is the pain/symptoms itself - in my own life its the only stressor. So again, a bit paradoxical. A chronic pain patient by definition can't not be in stress.

@jojamieson3153 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this interview. So informative and encouraging. Dr Howard you are a saint! Mind Body therapy literally saved me life.🫶✨️

@tinyshepherdess7710 2 ай бұрын

Dr. Schubiner touched on racism causing chronic pain. What about misogyny/sexism/patriarchy??? That alone could explain why women suffer more often from chronic symptoms.

@theirishgirl6809 8 ай бұрын

No disrespect but so far not impressed. Possibly because I have a lot of physical ailments from connective tissue disorder bone on bone in my back and other places in my body.. wonderful for those that it does help but it's not going to help everyone and I feel like I'm not one. Good luck to all that it does help I'm happy for you.