I want a full movie about the dragon finding her lipstick.

What if it's actually blood O.O

thanks, this is the kind of stuff i go to the comments for :)

Fund my kickstarter to make this poignant, moving movie about the dragon finding her lipstick, which will obviously floor everyone at Sundance. They will cry, they will laugh, they will probably be sick from all of their very intense emotions, and then they will all want to meet me and I will say no thank you sir, I have a prior engagement watching Big Joel's new video (which will probably be about, uhhh, let's see....... how the Power Rangers are a metaphor for death of the ego or something).

I'd respect that.

I haven't seen Shrek since I was a kid, maybe I should watch them again

Indeed, it is.

Princess Bubblegum did nothing wrong You should.

Finally, someone also said it again.

Oh shit my favorite youtuber commenting on my other favorite youtubers videos

Leo Phoenix Underrated comment.

Wew lad. Dunno why this isn't pinned.

Like onions

*unpeeling*

@@genevieveowusu885 lmao only just noticed this 😂

Beautiful, isn't it?

Big Lover are you an Aussie?

Almost certainly NZ.

Big Lover I love him so much

Incredibly appropriate name

Big Lover, I am you from the future. I did the same thing.

Joel reminds me of what I like about Lindsay Ellis' work in that he doesn't discard old things just because they're old. I don't mean things that are old enough to be classics, I mean things that are just barely old enough to be considered worn out and no longer interesting. People are already bored of stuff like Twilight and Shrek even though the conversation around them was never anything but shallow.

That makes sense! Awesome viewpoint

Defenitly! even I noticed that at a young age

yeah, I've always said it's the franchises magnum opus for those reason you gave + much more.

Don’t click on the flag agreed!!!

I like shrek 2 however it kinda played on the original's story again, it was basically fiona getting a second chance to renew her relationship her shrek and if she still wanted to be an ogre or revert back to her human self.

shrek 2 is the best but shrek 4 is my favorite

When I first saw human characters in Shrek, I thought they were real actors at first. And then I understood that they are not, and the Uncanny Valley is still strong for me with these movies.

It looks a bit wonky, but you're right, it's fine, really. Something about the backgrounds having too much empty space, and the colour choice being off, I think.

it's... acceptable I really don't like handsome shrek tho

Oh yeah, Shrek 3D was a thing.

@@mellow_mallow I feel like it actually fits the themes of the movie that Human Shrek is far more unsettling and bizarre to look at than normal Ogre Shrek. It never bothered me as a kid because it makes innate sense that Human Shrek should feel wrong and uncomfortable, so I accepted it as part of the movie's emotional journey.

that sounds so much better than what Shrek the Third actually ended up being

Speaking of Shrek the Third I highly recommend that you look up the deleted scenes for it. Apparently it was originally going to be about Shrek and Artie looking for the Holy Grail so Artie could become king or something like that.

Who dosent?

Pleasantly surprised to see you in the comments

i know right, the whole parenthood aspect of shrek 3 is just....so underdeveloped and boring

Oh aye -- I'm a delivery boy.

I'm not a messenger boy...I'm a delivery boy

Krisha Actually I love all the movies, always surprised that people don't like Shrek 3

Movie four doesn't even mention Author for some reason?? Isn't he out there being king? Couldn't he have done something? And the princesses were fun in the movie but I wished that was developed more...

Which, if it had been intentional and perhaps not a kids movie, might be kinda cool? I mean the takeaways of the first movies are more thought provoking and all around better, but if you're into pessimism the overall narrative we end up with isn't entirely hollow.

@@partycitydumpster I do believe that the first two films were indeed less for Kids than what you are implying, but for sure it's true for the 3 and 4. But yes, they can be read in that way, assuming that there was a certain idea behind them which imo is "Society and Power aren't actually hostile and harmful to deviants by its own nature but they can be such". I mean in the 2nd film issues mostly come from people inside the system, not the system itself (what Lord Farquad represented). It's only natural if those people change (as the King did) the problems are reduced. And yeah, Shrek could have run away from that responsability but he felt that responsability to be correct. Simply refusing to search form the other heir meant to live society without a guide, It meant to betray the will of a man he came to love as a father in law.

yeah, but you know, ogres... they have layers...

@@Hyperversum3 At the end of the second film, the system regulating deviance is changed to make entities once considered abnormalities, like Shrek and the King, normal citizens. As a consequence, the standards used to judge outsiders changes, resulting in a shift in how the general public chooses to identify deviants. Prince Charming happens to be an individual whose current set of character traits did not align with the new policy, resulting in his poor position in the third film. Because the new system benefits him, Shrek is obligated to preserve the new status quo even though, at the time, he didn't really know what it meant. From his immediate vantage point, he knew that the new system was beneficial to the well-being of him, his family, and his friends. That was all that mattered at the time, so he tried to maintain the system. It's in the fourth film that he understands the importance of his power in the current system. If the system ever changes, he could end up like Prince Charming, a man stripped of rank and privileges, forever chasing what he lost. However, unlike Charming, who had no experiences as a deviant, Shrek had led a prior existence on the fringe of society, so he didn't immediately realize what he gave up by dismantling the system he built. While the new system under Rumpelstiltskin supports some aspects of his original life, the associated risks and dangers are now alien to him, as he has become accustomed to using his societal position as a means to mitigate certain punishments (ie the "do the roar" scene). Therefore, he resigns himself to marital life, knowing that he is sacrificing freedom in exchange for stability.

Polar GrizBear I fucking love that I know exactly what you mean and just...appreciate you for your prequel memes

Limey Lassen but his actions also demonstrate the disastrous nature of the power he holds, and he chooses to take them back to the status quo of monarchy rather than finding a way to stop someone like Rumpelstiltskin from ever gaining that power again.

Limey Lassen That's why Shrek is a metaphor for bisexuality

but swamp life *is* natural and healthy for ogres. different things can be natural and healthy for different kinds of people

Limey, you just said the best comment about the most underrated Shrek movie. Thank you.

bumble At the time of the first movie, it was. However, after knowing what it means to have a family and be responsible for others, he was forced into a position where he could no longer truly tolerate solitude.

Holy shit, Turbo was Dream Works? I don't think a single fuck was given about that movie in the entire Kingdom of Denmark where I live

Why does no one like shrek 4?

@@ctons I like shrek 3 more, but also I haven't watched it in absolutely forever and just like it for the nostalgia of the movie and the ps2 game

You either die a rebellion or live long enough to see yourself become the status quo.

@@Lost_in-the_Woods it reminds me of this quote, "Those who try to fight/takedown the establishment later on become the establishment" or something like that

and who among us who could say otherwise

Will Shrek 5 next year be about the end of a man's life then?

Shrek will move to his universe's equivalent of Florida )Xanth jokes?) to retire with Fiona where there will be Disneyworld jokes since the franchise started as a middle finger to Disney. Their children, as teenagers, will have some adventures of their own, perhaps one of them will try to outdo the others to be the favorite child. He/she will think they have to do something dangerous to win their parents' love. The others will have to go on a quest to bring their sibling back. Of course this will involve the dronkeys too. They will make fun of newer Disney and Pixar movies along the way. Eventually the older sibling will learn that they don't have to do the thing, and that love of family is more important than the McGuffin they were after. It will end with a really heartwarming family moment interrupted at the end by a fart or some inappropriate comment. Then another dancing scene. Perhaps a coronation of the oldest sibling.

Shrek 5 - Despacito 2

its scary you wrote up a plot that actually sounds so generic it could be used

I would say Shrek 5's theme would be 'passing the torch' doesn't need to include death, but showing his kids growing up and becoming independent and Shrek letting them go to become individuals. ^u^

Yeah... The humor of the first one is the strongest by far because it comes from a place of the creator being the most venomously enraged. It turns out that it wasn't something he could recreate later for sequels.

anger and resentment make for the best comedy

The whole character of Farquaad was extremely inspired by Eisner and he has a pretty uncanny resemblance to him, so his entire character is pretty much Katzenburg giving the finger to him.

Michael Vessel adding on to that, ever notice how faarquad sounds a little like FUCKWAD

gum ball To further add on to that, Eisner was actually a really tall guy compared to Katzenburg and even said of him “I think I hate that little midget”, so making Farquaad really small was Katzenburg turning the tables on him.

Jacob Geller moment

holy hell crossover of the century???

I remember feeling pissed by the 3rd for more reasons than that the coup was stopped with a single speech check.

I was more pissed by the fourth - I struggle with the words, but it just... feels so contrived and nihilistic. Suddenly, Fionas parents are willing to give up their kingdom to save their daughter, Fiona herself is blissfully ignorant to Shrek's problems, as are his other "friends", and the whole going-back-in-time feels... empty (Puss-in-boots is fat now - ha.) EDIT: Basically, what Joel says in the review: "Once you're part of society, suck it all up and don't change anything - they're too stupid to change anyway."

@@fermintenava5911 Exactly. While the third felt like mawkish Disney-lite, the fourth feels like It's A Wonderful Life meets Nihilism.

Fermin Tenava Part of me agrees with that message, but that doesn’t mean I’m going stop trying due to the chance of change.

Bojack!

Hey, aren't you the horse from Horsin' Around?

Aren't you the horse from secretariat?

Aren't you the horse from The Bojack Horseman Show?

to be fair i'm in shrek the musical so at least every night isn't about it

Cecona oh....oh my gosh

Oh dear me.

Oh fuck nuggets

Lol had the same reaction

Yeah, I personally felt that Joel missed the target on this one too? His sociopolitical breakdown of the series was very interesting, but I felt the theme of Shrek4 was more about growing up & accepting your responsibilities as well as your privileges, and thinking critically about how your choices may affect other people? Plus valuing what you have & what you collectively create with others, rather than always chasing shallow self-indulgent pleasures of the "grass is always greener" variety. Clearly that's not what everybody takes away from it, though...?

I feel like it could have helped if the movie had a little more time to explore what Shrek's issue was with his present life. Does he feel restricted and like he has to be a perfect moral image like the conflict in Shrek 2? Is he not used to being accepted and finds the socialization overwhelming? Or is he, as you said, just questioning things and romanticizing the past?

@@larsatticus6807 From the "Do the roar" scene, I would guess maybe it's meant to be a mixture of all three? 🤔 Nicely put! 👍

@@larsatticus6807 I interpret it as a loss of identity. Some parents describe feeling like they've lost themselves. In becoming "Mom" or "Dad," they are no longer Jane or Joe. While he doesn't necessarily resent being a parent, Shrek, instead of feeling like Shrek, feels stuck as "husband," "Dad," and so on. In one line, he talks about being a "real ogre" again. Whatever challenges being an ogre brought, Shrek still took pride in being one - it was an intrinsic part of his identity, and one he feels he's lost. For me, the fourth film is definitely a midlife crisis story.

@@larsatticus6807 all of them we had a montage of him slowly becoming more sad

Foucault was a huge influence on this video!

Yeah I inmediately thought about Foucault when he talked about powerand how the king didn't really have it, he only act through it as long as he was acceptable.

whot

I had to scroll too far for this dot dot dot

569… nice

It's interesting that you bring that up, because it was sorta a deleted part of this paper. for some reason, I wanted to avoid talking about the metatextual qualities of Shrek, and when I started trying to write about this idea, it became impossible haha.

That makes sense to me! I think that was a good call, while I find performativity fascinating I don't think the dynamics of power are discussed as often or as well as you do in this video. It gave it a more unique approach. I was just telling my friend how much I appreciated that you thoroughly avoided the well-trodden ground of "Shrek was a critique of commercialism and then became the ultimate expression of it."

"Shrek was a critique of commercialism and then became the ultimate expression of it." Makes me think of that Simpsons analysis. The Simpsons was a parody/critique of the family sitcom genre, and it became a bland generic sitcom itself as time went on...

"Well actually, that would be a _giant._ Now ogres, oh they're much worse. They'll make a suit out of your freshly peeled skin! Squeeze the jelly from your eyes - actually, it's quite good on toast."

S H He says a big mean stupid ogre. He is an ogre but he's not a *monster* because of it.

OMG, it's you! 💚

i actually like shrek unironically and the songs for the most part...i am not in it for the memes or comedy..i like the story....is that weird?

im sad to say I haven't seen it

Big Joel You really should! It explores the Shrekiverse outside of what's happening in the main series and adds more background to the minor characters.

Oh dear god the memories are flooding back As a child, I had an *unhealthy* obsession with Puss in Boots. Leaving the movie theater, I tap danced around the tile floor of the mall like he did in the film. Later I got the Xbox Kinect game for it, and every play session, slowly but surely, I'd grab an extra article of clothing from my mom's closet. I put on a little sombrero. A few days later I found a pair of boots. Next thing you know I'm wielding a kebab skewer and waving it everywhere. (the kinect only used motion controls) Not to mention watching the movie nearly EVERY NIGHT. I discovered my destiny, and it had been fulfilled. 𝙄 𝙖𝙢 𝙥𝙪𝙨𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙗𝙤𝙤𝙩𝙨 Luckily this madness stopped after two weeks. But those were... quite the two weeks.

I just thought it was OK. It felt sort of similar to lots of children's cartoons. I felt like Shrek is for teens and adults but PiB was definitely just for kids. None of that "suck it Disney" humor.

I went to a screening where they accidentally played paranormal activity instead of puss and they gave us free tickets to make up for all the kids being traumatized, so I'd say I like it.

It's super weird because at the end of Shrek 2 they fix all their problems forever but then it's like "Well, yeah, you fixed everything. Make another film." and the writers are sort-of like "Oh, okay.... I guess we're just going to get things off-track just to get back to the status quo now." and then they were forced to stick with the same thing for the final one purely because that's what this world is and they can't really escape what was the best possible ending.

Right? And they made a lot of spin offs, like the Puss and Boots movie+show, and other random holiday specials for Shrek as a whole, so I don't think the possibility of Dreamworks making another Shrek film is that unlikely. Plus, Pixar's been doing it a whole lot with the sequels and new parts, maybe Dreamworks will follow.

shrek 5 is coming in 2019 lol

wait seriously edit: oh my lord that's an actual thing how did i not know about that

I hope in Shrek 5 Shrek leads a revolt against the power structure of Deviancy.

why?

Because Quasimodo was a hunchback

oh ok. thought you also included beast and aladdin for a sec XD

Beast also got stabbed in the back by Gaston

true dat

Yeah i think the movie is about how Shrek passed so much time without insecurities and not being an outcast, that he took all he gained for granted. Shrek was nostalgic about a time that was objetively worse for him, but that was so long ago he forgot how unhappy he was despite all the fun times. I think the movie is about someone who, after some time in commodity, takes for granted what he was and wishes to go back to the "good ol' days" and is confronted with the fact that he was never happy then.

@@matti.8465 I honestly think Shrek Forever After is on the same high bar as the first two.

yeah shrek 4 is my favorite shrek movie and second-favorite dreamworks movie

The problem however, is that I don't think Shrek 4 really goes for that. Firstly, Shrek 2 was already all about how Shrek was willing to sacrifice his own freedom, pleasure and even appearance for Fiona's sake. So if we accept this is what Shrek 4 is doing then all Shrek 4 does is essentially make Shrek walk backwards so it can make him walk forward again. And it doesn't even go all the way to where it was since it ends with Shrek and Fiona both being subservient to society. With this ending, what's the guarantee it won't happen again in like 10 years when Shrek misses being free again? Secondly, Shrek's main motivation in 4 is to get things back to normal because his old life was good and this life isn't and that he'd die in 24 hours. Not out of sacrifice for his family or to give them the best life. I feel if you wanted to explore that theme of Shrek being responsible in Shrek 4, a better set up would have been that Rumplestilskin actually lets Shrek go and there is no time limit. Like, Rumplestilskin tells him "I have no conflict with you, just other Ogres, don't get in my way and I won't kill you". So now that Shrek has his freedom again, he goes for it because he believes he can make life right for his friends who don't know him anymore. This would be a better story, but it would still basically be a repeat of Shrek 1's final act.

@@FraserSouris I think you still kind of missed a lot of Shrek's main character arc in Forever After. _At first,_ Shrek's goal is to get his life back on track with his remaining day, but it's made clear that this endeavor is still one of selfishness-every time he tries to make Fiona fall in love with him again with the intent of reversing his own mistake, he is unsuccessful because he still hasn't considered the state of things in the present. It's why their kiss on the bridge doesn't work. Shrek, at the beginning of the movie, wants his old life back, but it is his inability to see the "right now" *at all* that keeps him from truly appreciating the ones he loves both before and after the contract. Once he realizes this, he straight up gives up on retrieving his happily ever after, rather opting to save the captured ogres and fight for Fiona's cause even when given a chance to maybe cheat his way out of his predicament. This is even further reiterated when he straight-up tells Fiona while dying that she'll find happiness and a family without him, even in this new world. Because of this, once he finds himself back at the party, he can truly enjoy his life and the people in it unimpeded by the same selfish notions as before. Yes, Shrek 2 (still the better movie lol) makes Shrek willing to give up his previous life to make Fiona happy. But this movie _does_ add to that, even if not perfectly-it sees Shrek learn to ditch the concept of a "previous life" altogether, which has worked to his detriment over the course of the series. To this end, this would have been less impactful (or even impossible) without the explicit time limit. Shrek 1 and 2 both give Shrek free-rein over his involvement-at any point, he can walk away, and this works for both of their main messages. In Forever After, though, if he could simply just say "fuck it" and go away at any time as you suggest, that previously-mentioned flaw probably wouldn't be addressed. He'd just be able to sit back and take things slow knowing he'd eventually just go "back to normal" anyways, which stems from his harmful outlook on the past.

I always interpreted that it's simply a story about communication. If Shrek just asked "Can I have a 'Me Time' weekend sometimes? I love you guys but I kinda need some time for myself, just a couple days!" he would be much less overwhelmed. Many good people commit the mistake of not speaking up about their own needs and it just ends up creating an embittered outlook. I will always assume that Shrek will communicate more after what he has gone through, none of this sociopolitical stuff.

There's maybe a SLIGHT way that makes sense, but it would have required making it clear that Shrek's journey to the castle clears some kind of obstacle that would be impossible for Charming

Cecona No because by the time Charming *actually* came she got bored of waiting and saved herself.

Geo Globe okay but yet in the fourth movie the king and queen did not do the deal with rumple because Shrek saved Fiona so they were trying to save her before Charming even made an attempt to save Fiona. As though he and the second movie never happened

I'm just wondering where are Fairy God Mother and Prince Charming in the alternate world where Shrek doesn't save Fiona. Did they go somewhere else? Were they still killed? The movie totally pretends that factor doesn't exist.

+TheRealPentigan How about, I dunno, a colossal, fire-breathing dragon? :P

I remember more about Shrek the Thirds DVD extras than the actual film.

Oh wait

Somebodies already done it and marxism is trash.

First two movies: Shrek represents the unending nature of the class struggle as even as he gains power and status he is still ostracized by the state's power structures. 3 and 4: Shrek is a bougie bitch and gets the wall

It's not even a hard jump, the proletariat is seduced by the small favors and becomes a petite burgoise that forgets the needs of his class, sympathizing with the rich in their policies.

Vladimir Lenin thats some misogynist revisionism fam. while shrek represents the uneducated backwoods semi-lumpen agricultural laborer, fionna represents the urban working class, because she has the ability to transform into the privelaged class, "the red bourgoisie" after the establishment of the dotp but instead she acts as a revolutionary agent by sticking to her principles and continuing to transform society through revolutionary mass organization while maintaining the class character of the state as authentically proletarian ie. seeking to destroy class rather than position revolutionary urban workers as new technocrats. shrek is also thoroughly anti deng xiao ping

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icantthinkofaname, that's your opinion. You see to me All the Shrek Movies are all great. And Shrek Forever After is such an amazing movie just like the rest and especially an amazing emotional ending!!! Yeah I know that my opinion may not matter to you, but that's just what I think. All I know is that I can't wait for the 5th Shrek Movie coming out in 2019 or 2020.

I actually loved Shrek Forever After. It was a big contrast to the first three movies and I loved the dark route it turned. It also taught the lesson of contentment which I think is portrayed well in the movie, and how making rash decisions can affect your life. Not the best Shrek film, but definitely not the worst.

Shrek>shrek2>shrek4>shrek3>shrek spinoffs

I think there's an argument to be made that the fourth movie is more about cultural identity than the other two. Shrek, finally established and welcomed as part of a cohesive culture, is dissatisfied with his life because he doesn't see himself reflected in it. He feels like an ogre playing at being human- an assimilationist- as opposed to a welcomed outsider. Over the course of his movie, he gains an understanding of his culture as an ogre that he never had before. By the end of the movie, he has a new understanding of and appreciation for his own unique culture that he can pass on to his children. He goes from having to give up his identity as an ogre in order to reproduce human culture to having a renewed sense of identity. He's content because now he can bring something to the table, so to speak- his children can learn about ogre society *and* human society, instead of defaulting to a human set of norms and expectations, and true cultural exchange can take place. Its the same sort of difference between things like "being one of the guys" or "one of the good ones" and being recognized as your own, different individual. Shrek is accepted as (functionally) human, but he doesn't want to be a human, he wants to be an ogre and accepted as such. The whole movie is him acknowledging this and learning what that means and finding fulfillment in his identity.

@@jonigazeboize_ziri6737 shrek 2 is the best movie

Justin Y. Oh look you’re here. Not surprising though, I bet you have 10 computers.

Hi Justin

Do I see you everywhere?

LoL your not even irritating anymore, I genuinely enjoy your comments. Do you watch all these videos, or do you just comment?

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OMG what a nice detail

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