Creek Indians Massacre Over 500 at Fort Mims, Alabama, 1813: Brazenly Incompetent Leadership (ep. 2)

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10 ай бұрын

In this video we read from "The Creek War of 1813 and 1814," by Henry S. Halbert and Timothy S. Ball, published all the way back in 1895.
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@mikebryant614 9 ай бұрын

Most of you had never heard of this battle before, had you? And yet everyone knows about the little big horn . The facts are, the Creek killed more soldiers / civilians than the Sioux ever did ,yet history has forgotten the Creeks , and enshrined the Sioux .It is curious how history picks and chooses certain events ,and ignores others, often of a greater magnitude.

@corderomiles3769 8 ай бұрын

I agree.. plus the soldiers that was fighting on andrew jackson side were also related to the creek. There's stories about that.

@ronaldsellers3717 8 ай бұрын

I had ancestors on the inside of the fort & on the outside. Same as at Horseshoe Bend. Many people from Alabama & Oklahoma can say the same thing.

@corderomiles3769 8 ай бұрын

@@ronaldsellers3717 dont forget that alot of ppl from ga all the way to texas knows a little about alot

@mikebryant614 8 ай бұрын

@@ronaldsellers3717 Henscii -As did I ronald., it is a difficult and complex matter of history ! Wado !

@ChineseChicken1 7 ай бұрын

Learned about it watching the movie "The Alamo" with Billy Bob Thornton.

@wesleyestill7653 10 ай бұрын

Wait a minute, why aren’t Americans told this history? We are bombarded with the history of the “Trail of Tears.”

@STho205 10 ай бұрын

We were before the 90s. It's even in Disney's movie Davy Crockett. In the early 2000s it was still in Alabama History textbooks...I'm sure it still is. Most people today like their history without context...as if it all happened in a vacuum and there are villains and victims color or gender coded.

@drewf8619 10 ай бұрын

@@STho205 Also... Because the biggest evil in U.S. history... Is from white people... It would be like if Germans won WW2. Then wondered why a successful Jewish uprising, where hundreds of Germans were killed. Wasn't taught in their propaganda-filled classrooms.

@jimmason4659 10 ай бұрын

The torture and death of Colonel Crawford, a friend of George Washington, at the hands of the Shawnee bespeaks of incredible cruelty.

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

Why did you come here and kill us ?

@captmack007 9 ай бұрын

On the trail of tears the Indian took their African slaves with them. Faxt

@44thala49 9 ай бұрын

You mentioned two massacres that we are tied to. My 12th great grandfather who was one of the ship captains who brought people there, survived the Jamestown massacre, and my wife’s ancestors survived the Fort Mims massacre. We live about 20 minutes south of the Fort. There was a lot of British incitement that led up to the Mims massacre, like buying white scalps from the creeks for $5 each, etc. Anyway, great work!

@manuelsteele2651 7 ай бұрын

I am Apache. The Spaniards then Mexico had a scalp bounty system to kill off Apaches. Sometimes, Apache slaves were sent to Cuba far from their southwestern home since many often escaped. I have lived in the Florida Panhandle and noticed that most of the original tribes of the southeast are extinct along with their languages. But I often met ostensibly white southerners who had distant Creek ancestry.

@Quincy_Morris 5 ай бұрын

@@manuelsteele2651slavery was in the new world before the Spaniards arrived.

@manuelsteele2651 5 ай бұрын

@@Quincy_Morris I am familiar with the pattern of denial among whites. 1. Blame the Indians for slavery. 2. Blame the Indians for scalping. 3. Therefore, that somehow proves the Europeans never practiced slavery, scalping, or outright killed off tribes. My tribe did not practice slavery. To be fair, there are tribes that did. But it wasn’t to the scale of European slavery which was transcontinental with massive uprooting of families and communities. About a year ago I exchanged with a Spanish guy who denied Spain practiced slavery. The topic was Slater on the old Saved By The Bell. There was one episode where Jessie’s character felt guilty about her English ancestors who had owned slaves. I pointed out that in reality Slaters character owned far more in Colonial Spain. A Spanish guy immediately hit me with deep aggressive denial. I just reported him on YT. Meanwhile, some months later an ancestry episode came out on the actor who played Slater, Mario Lopez. It turned out they did own slaves in Zacatecas. I was right. There are multiple news articles about it. The Spanish guy in deep denial was wrong. But I am used to it. If this escalates to vitriol I will just report it to YT and abstain from internet flaming. Colonial Spain then Mexico imposed slavery. Mexico had a scalp bounty system to kill off Apaches. A Spanish caste system based on degree of Spanish blood quantum arose. When Mexico attacked the Alamo in 1836, the Lipan Apaches actually took the side of the Texans against Mexico because the Mexicans were hell bent on killing Apaches. Sam Houston had Apache scouts. Mexico and its slavery and genocide were well known to tribes of the southwest.

@2gpowell 10 ай бұрын

Excellent story, Thanks for telling it. One of many that are similar. How about the first school massacre/shooting perpetrated by Delawares in 1756 in Pa. Unfortunately, though factual history too many people refuse to go back that far in history to truly understand how it was because it does not fit a particular narrative.

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

So . You're telling me Deleware attacked a school of children ? " mass shooting " ? I never heard of this in any and all history related research I have done in my life ..fifty two years. I suppose you have some governor's journal as your source

@MatthewMcCay-gx9if 9 ай бұрын

Brutality on both sides.

@MatthewMcCay-gx9if 9 ай бұрын

Provocation of native Americans constantly equalled death for many on both sides and ended in tribes removed in The Trail of Tears in the 1830's.Not exactly justice for the native Americans.

@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244 9 ай бұрын

Incomplete history always gives the impression the narrator wishes. The fact is that the Creek War was only possible because the British armed the Creeks and Seminoles (and others) with a million small arms and ammunition for the purpose of raiding American settlers on the frontier from Florida to the Canadian border as a native auxiliary force. This massacre was only part of the War of 1812. it doesn't matter if the fort commander was arrogant or not. The Creeks were going to attack regardless and the Americans knew it. Andrew Jackson was set to the task of fighting the Creeks and other tribes at this time. This is why and how he came to believe that no tribes could be left near our most vulnerable border regions and moved inland as he did as President. This is how the report and analysis of history is done, not to isolate and use as a modern Woke morality tale.

@redhen2123 9 ай бұрын

@@MatthewMcCay-gx9if "Brutality on both sides." Show us an instance of Europeans roasting and eating Indian children.

@deadhorse1391 10 ай бұрын

What a fascinating story, simply amazing that the occupants would not have secured the Fort better. The gate couldnt be shut even! The Creek War was one of vicious fighting. Davy Crockett in November 1813, witnessed and took part in a “retributive” attack on the Red Stick town of Tallushatchee.He told about shooting the Indians down like dogs and burning them alive in their cabins and how their melting fat ran down into the potatoes in the fruit cellars which the hungry men then ate! The phrase” if the Creek don’t rise” is often today associated with flooding waters but in reality it meant if the Creek Indians don’t rise up

@sjb3460 5 ай бұрын

Amazing, I always thought it was about creeks flooding over their banks and drowning people.

@missburr1228 4 ай бұрын

So sad, I wonder why we never have creek or choctaw history months. They were here first.

@sjb3460 4 ай бұрын

@@missburr1228 The aboriginal inhabitants don't matter.

@jackiemack8653 4 ай бұрын

@@missburr1228Petroglyphs in Nevada tend to tell a different story.

@jamesdeen3011 10 ай бұрын

Excellent story. I think it's great how you are bringing a part of our history back so that a new generation can learn of our history with out being politicized with political correctness.

@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244 9 ай бұрын

You are being deceived. Incomplete history always gives the impression the narrator wishes. The fact is that the Creek War was only possible because the British armed the Creeks and Seminoles (and others) with a million small arms and ammunition for the purpose of raiding American settlers on the frontier from Florida to the Canadian border as a native auxiliary force. This massacre was only part of the War of 1812. it doesn't matter if the fort commander was arrogant or not. The Creeks were going to attack regardless and the Americans knew it. Andrew Jackson was set to the task of fighting the Creeks and other tribes at this time. This is why and how he came to believe that no tribes could be left near our most vulnerable border regions and moved inland as he did as President. This is how the report and analysis of history is done, not to isolate and use as a modern Woke morality tale.

@jamesdeen3011 9 ай бұрын

@@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244 I'm not as delusional as you may think. Of course in any story or subject matter written the details can and do get left out. I'm fully aware this war did not begin nor end with this battle. The British did supply the Creek Indians with weapons, they were willing participants as they perceived the white man as taking their land {Manifest Destiny} my point merely was to say that some of our historians want to change history to make it fit what ever narrative they perceive. History should be just that {history} good or bad. The narrator was literally reading from a book. The other point I made was to thank him for sharing the story as it and many others aren't being taught in our schools and as a 61 year old student I find this disheartening. From your comment I can discern that you also share in this passion for history. Thank you for your response.

@samuelprice2461 9 ай бұрын

It’s astounding how blissfully ignorant the command of the fort was. How could Beasley be so stupid? As remote as they were and all the way back in 1813, when the woodland tribes still had strength.

@brianhawk1854 4 ай бұрын

Witchcraft

@bhartley868 10 ай бұрын

David Crockett, signed up after this massacre a second time, after the War of 1812. The third time he enlisted was for the Alamo...

@regina3743 4 ай бұрын

I read in one of my dad’s Alabama history books, that the gates had been open for so long, dirt was packed up against the bottoms of them, making them extremely difficult to close. Such was the complacency of the officers in charge and in fact, of the inhabitants. They were lulled into a false sense of peace and safety.

@richardfolkman 9 ай бұрын

I am a born Texan. I appreciate and respect our history; but, in the same way it has many sad stories to tell. This story is sad. To me, the settlers of Texas that fought at the Alamo were all killed and their bodies burned in disgrace. They died protecting their cause. These settlers at Fort Mims were slaughtered because one man was pathetic to secure his post. Such hurt, even to this day, to know this story. God gives everyone a chance to make things right. This story proves when we choose to mess around and be selfish and irresponsible, it can prove to be so terrible for all involved. So sad. It's 2023 and this story can help us live better lives if we are open to learn from it.

@jcsinca3387 9 ай бұрын

Apparently, God sided with the Natives in this case and also with the Mexicans at the Alamo. In both cases Americans people stole the lands of the native people and the natives fought back and slaughtered the Americans. What this story really shows is that when you torture, murder and rob native people on their own land, eventually they will slaughter YOU. And in both cases, all of the poor "victims" had no problem inflicting atrocities on the natives FIRST. These facts I just stated are not a "a particular narrative", they are simply the truth. You reap what you sow.

@jmills5420 8 ай бұрын

@@jcsinca3387So by your belief system, God and karma gave Europeans all the land and enabled the decimation and subjugation of the natives? Moral people are always a minority so most humans reaped what they savagely sewed. To pretend that somehow whites were only allowed to conquer and subjugate peoples on European land and that Natives in N.America were allowed to do the same to other Natives is completely absurd. It's just opportunism of modern politics, and it's a giant display of pathetic weakness, unlike the strength that all of our ancestors showed.

@claytonevans9734 8 ай бұрын

Educate yourself on the complete history on these subjects, humans have treated each other horribly since the beginning of time. Race, or place on earth are of no consequence, all humans behavior will be considered in God's garden.

@Sparky-xk4vo 8 ай бұрын

I only feel sorry for the women, children, and slaves who were killed there.@@jcsinca3387

@Quincy_Morris 5 ай бұрын

Despite massacres, enslavement and predations, America ultimately triumphed, and now we get to live in an America far more safe and free.

@stevenmiller2427 9 ай бұрын

Outstanding! Thanks, for this and all your presentations.

@CrimsonRoseDancer 6 ай бұрын

William Weatherford was my husband’s 7x great-grandfather. If you’d like another book on the Native peoples of the Gulf Coast check out “They Say The Wind Is Red.” It’s focus is on the Choctaw. My husband was surprised to find it features several of his ancestors as he has both Creek and Choctaw ancestry.

@Garfield.Farkle 9 ай бұрын

Very good. I have read elsewhere that Willian Weatherford, aka Lamochattee “Red Eagle,” and Hopnicafutsahia, “Straight Talker” or “Truth Teller,” did not want to participate in the war, but when the Red Sticks held sway and they decided to go to war, that Weatherford believed himself to be their best leader and agreed. Multiple references say the day of the massacre, Weatherford told his half brother that he tried to stop it and said so on other occasions He was a big guy and 1/4 Creek and had flaming red hair.

@Khatoon170 10 ай бұрын

Last and most important part of my research massacre of fort Mims over 75000 creek Indians destroyed fort Mims, American settlers , USA allied creeks and enslaved African Americans had sought refuge in stockade . Creek warriors who carried out attack were members of red sticks factions named for red wooden war cubs they carried. Casualties included women and children about 250 .today fort Mims is maintained by Alabama historical commission. Added to national register of historical places in 1972 . Fort Mims massacre is cited in Margaret Mitchell epic novel gone with wind . I love to read and share which I learned with others. Good luck to you your dearest ones .

@sjb3460 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info, I never knew the origin of the "Red Sticks". I have read GWTW several times and I never noticed a reference to the Ft. Mims Massacre.

@xx44057 9 ай бұрын

As stated in previous comments, St. Clair’s Defeat, or Battle of the Wabash in 1791 had a greater loss of life inflicted by the Native confederation and is the greatest loss of life caused by warriors.

@imout671 10 ай бұрын

Before 911 this was probably the largest massacre on US soil and i imagine a lot of folks had this slaughter in mind when they sent all the tribes to Oklahoma...They still have reenactments in August you can die twice on Saturday and once on Sunday. One of my favorite reenactments. Hot as hades in August in south Alabama. We all party at the river afterwards just to swim and cool off.

@bradmason4706 10 ай бұрын

what about the Alamo or Little Big Horn ok, not as bloody

@imout671 10 ай бұрын

@bradmason4706 the battle of the Alamo was probably 200 -+ and little big horn is usually recorded as 260 whites/36 Indians. I'd not count either of those as a "massacre" as they were two armies facing off in battle. Whereas Mims was a surprise attack with mostly civilians and women and children no chance for quarter given. Mims and wounded knee are in a seperate class of about a half dozen mass murders. One in involved the mass murder of 200 Christian Indians in the north east. Can't recall the name but it's famous in history.

@bradmason4706 10 ай бұрын

@@imout671 They were dancing in the Fort. Beasley even after being warned didn't feel the need to close the gate. They had already spread from new england south . They must have tried enforcing upon the Creek they inferior.

@imout671 10 ай бұрын

@bradmason4706 you said it man.

@josmotherman591 9 ай бұрын

You are doing great work. Keep it up.

@rudolfyakich6653 9 ай бұрын

I have been interested in history of the War of 1812. This telling was interesting and in depth. I appreciate your efforts.

@TheGuitarReb 5 ай бұрын

My ancestors were in this War. Down here they call the Scots/Irish racist Rednecks but my best buddy was full blood Cherokee. The Creeks & Seminoles not so much.

@WhispersFromTheDark 10 ай бұрын

I love this story. I had to try to listen to it a couple of times, and realized that I was missing quite a bit of the story...so I went into the controls and slowed the video down 1 notch and was then able to hear the whole story. If you're drinking coffee before reading these stories, you might want to consider something else...you talk so fast it's sometimes hard to understand what all you're saying. And what you are saying IS WORTHY and very important in my opinion.

@duchessstudioband7896 3 ай бұрын

I found your channel when looking for information on the Massacre at Lake Shetlak here in Minnesota. I'll tell you what I do like about it. You don't candy coat it, you tell it like it was, through the eyes of the people who lived it. Indians did terrible things, but so did the army, and the US government, and corrupt Indian agents. History should always be told as it happened. I appreciate accurate history, that makes me live it in my head. (UnlikezJada Pinketts trying to make a Greek queen black in her Cleopatra film, which was labeled as a documentary). Every history has to be seen as the story of it's people, both good and bad.

@normangerring4645 10 ай бұрын

How many died in St. Clair's Defeat?(the Battle of Wabash River) Of the 52 officers engaged, 39 were killed and 7 wounded; around 88% of all officers had become casualties. The American casualty rate among the soldiers was 97 percent, including 632 of 920 killed (69%) and 264 wounded. Nearly all of the 200 camp followers were slaughtered, for a total of 832 Americans killed.

@suckadoesstuff7095 9 ай бұрын

I've been to the battle sight and I live close enough to it to go every for the reenactment so I'm glad to see it gettin some attention

@conemadam Ай бұрын

Extraordinary to learn of this battle and the Creeks. Thank you.

@OneCharmedLife 10 ай бұрын

Amazing story. Thanks so much for the telling.

@jerryleejohnsonjr1377 10 ай бұрын

Great job Mr Worthy!

@tomroberts9794 4 ай бұрын

Great documentary, important history. Thank you.

@vdoniel 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for your narration of this American history book.

@user-mi4cg6dw3r 5 ай бұрын

I wondered if you might mention the following person who is my son's some-greats uncle. "Her older brother was Napochi Hadjo (also known as Tommy Bartlett) who took part in the assault on Fort Mims and was an implacable enemy of US expansion into Creek lands." It must have been horrible and I had not associated this with the War of 1812. Thanks.

@shizlittlebam 6 ай бұрын

Never heard of this attack before today. Thanks

@godschildyes 10 ай бұрын

My God! I'm in a pool of tears after listening to this! I've never heard of this massacre as far as I can remember. What a shame! It 100% could have been avoided! Pai s me so to think of how we human beings can be so destructive! I don't understand why we have been given the power to take life. I simply do not understand... Thank you so much for sharing.

@bradmason4706 10 ай бұрын

god blessed us with free will and different cultures. all sustained by carnal pleasure.

@dougmoore5252 10 ай бұрын

It’s little mystery why the descendants of these people eventually forced the Indians west. What is appropriately termed “the trail of tears”.

@bc2578 10 ай бұрын

They were lucky to be able to have a trail of tears, where their black slaves carried their stuff for them.....can you imagine if Atilla, Ghengis or Shaka had (somehow) discovered America before us? That would have been a real holocaust/extinction event......no free college and casino billions for anybody.......

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

They were already forcing them west. It was always the forcing of us west.. You think this just happened out of the blue for no reason ?

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

@@bc2578. B.S. ..What if squatters with thier students never showed up taking from us ? Maybe no forty acres and mules talk would be between criminals on our homes..or the teacher and student wouldn't be mutually after all that is ours..that would be interesting..at least your own science will always keep you informed of truth

@Khatoon170 10 ай бұрын

How are you doing sir thank you for your wonderful cultural documentary channel. We appreciate your great efforts as foreigners subscribers as overseas students want to increase our cultural level improve our English as well. First of all I looked up up for definition of creek tribes they are native Americans known as creek originally lived in huge territory in what are now Georgia and Alabama. Creek were confederacy group, separated tribes . Called of all tribes creek because they lived along rivers and creeks. They speak muscogee language. Most famous creek indian chief Menawa. Creek war ( 1813- 14) was part of larger war of 1812 fought between faction of creek tribes and USA forces end defeated of creek nation and paved way fort division of Mississippi territory into states of Mississippi and Alabama. Ended creek war of treaty Fort Jackson, Andrew Jackson serves as sole representative of USA . Upon defeat of creek 23 , 000, 000 acres of Alabama and part of southern Georgia. They were forcibly removed to indian territory now Oklahoma with Cherokee, Choctaw , Seminole , Chickasah , they constituted five civiled tribes .

@sjb3460 5 ай бұрын

Don't forget that gold was discovered and most of the gold and silver deposits were in Creek and Cherokee lands.

@shamoy1000 10 ай бұрын

I'm only going to be watching videos on Rumble from now on. Thanks . It's been fun.

@unworthyhistory 10 ай бұрын

Just joined. It's currently syncing with this channel.

@thefockn3831 10 ай бұрын

Thank God there are men out there like yourself and take the time to create things like this it's important for people to hear this side of the story so they don't run around thinking that they're such terrible people who just hurt others. I pray greater gifts than I can offer come upon you to help you in your efforts in these most important toils. I tried to write that in 1800 speech lol

@dean7118 5 ай бұрын

We learned this in 5th grade alabama history and the battle of mobile bay ,when my kids was studing history we took them to the reenactment of fort Mims it was so hot that Sunday afternoon was glad to get back to my air-conditioned car

@anonymousf454 9 ай бұрын

I know I sound like some other group of people, but this needs to br taught to our children😂😂😂

@mackcastleberry140 10 ай бұрын

Best channel on KZfaq

@justin6354 28 күн бұрын

FT.Mims is just up the road from me Here in Stockton Alabama we have so much unknown history !

@brandon7482 9 ай бұрын

27:24 Nashoba county is named after the Choctaw word for Wolf, Nashoba

@sandymackay4017 9 ай бұрын

Very worthy history. Stuff I didn't know about.

@cowboykelly6590 7 ай бұрын

Unworthy History is Worthy. 🤠🖖♨️

@bobsmoot2392 10 ай бұрын

Well done.

@johnjohnon8767 10 ай бұрын

Heard a story of reenactors hearing the sounds of carnage at ft mims.

@dawnemile7499 9 ай бұрын

What systems in the Fort made each person react differently ?

@sjb3460 5 ай бұрын

I wonder why so many movies have been made about Indian massacres in the Western States. Here in Alabama, there were lots of battles and massacres. DeSoto fought a major battle in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. The Chief was so tall that when he was on one of the Spaniards horses, his feet touched the ground.

@dirtywhiteboy4963 10 ай бұрын

THE THINGS THAT HUMANS CAN DO TO EACH OTHER IS SICKENING . THANKS FOR THE STORY AND ALL THE OTHERS!

@austinstratman1809 10 ай бұрын

Those weren't human beings, they were savage animals, not unlike the comanches here in Texas!

@sandidavis820 9 ай бұрын

@@austinstratman1809I also live in Texas so I know the history, but the settlers also were cruel. The settlers were invaders, just like the illegals that are invading our state and country now. If the day comes and we take up arms against the invaders, will we be called savages by future generations??? I may be an old lady, but I will defend my family to the bitter end, as I am sure you will too.

@rt3box6tx74 9 ай бұрын

@sandidavis820 "...but the settlers were also cruel". Please give us 3 substantiated accounts of "settlers" being cruel.

@sandidavis820 9 ай бұрын

@@rt3box6tx74 one word Custer, that covers a lot of ground.

@rt3box6tx74 9 ай бұрын

@sandidavis820 Not even close to equivalency. First and foremost Custer was no "settler". Very few settlers had means or organization to retaliate against cruelty by savages who often tortured and slaughtered entire families. There was no one left to seek revenge. Furthermore retaliatory acts by US military against savages only occurred after several barbaric attacks on individual homesteads took place within a short period, in a limited geograpgic area. The majority of attacks went unanswered due to the military forts being sparsely spaced across the frontier. Tribes had been exterminating and enslaving their rival tribes for centuries. Settlers risked their lives for a new beginning in a vast unpopulated land. Settlers might live in the wilderness for several yrs before being discovered by nomadic tribes whose instinct was their elimination. It was a misjudgement on their part due to savage culture. They could have ignored individual settlers and things could have turned out differently. Now Europeans are forever obligated to submit to the aggressors who lost the war? No, I won't ever apologize for the survival of my forebears who were always on the western frontiers from their initial steps on American soil in the 1640s. They were clever enough to survive that uncivilized period and thrive to this day. Who am I to cast aspersions upon their decisions. Many of the women of my family raised children alone after their spouse died at the hands of nefarious traders, speculators and wheeler-dealers.

@dawnemile7499 9 ай бұрын

What happened to “The Noble Savage”? Did Rousseau know about this massacre?

@theflamingone8729 9 ай бұрын

I don't think Rousseau actually knew anything about indigenous people anywhere.

@marknewton6984 9 ай бұрын

Rousseau was ignorant.

@Quincy_Morris 5 ай бұрын

The myth of the “Nobel Savage” started in the late 1800s after the last Indian nation was conquered. Once Americans no longer had to fear the predations of the Indians they were able to fester an unjustified lionization of their culture.

@alan30189 4 ай бұрын

Beasley was an incompetent ass, that’s for sure.

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

How about that ?

@corderomiles3769 8 ай бұрын

There was a private soldier name private Ambrose Miles.. who im sure was part indian/ creek.

@jimpowell9205 9 ай бұрын

Only briefly, did you mention that the Indians were given guns by the British. One can but wonder, if this attack would have even taken place, had those arms not been available to the Indians? Mindful, of the French and Indian war, only a generation before, why would the British be so foolish?

@espressoaddict69 5 ай бұрын

CRT ?

@user-qt4ee4nb1h 5 ай бұрын

The Good Lord willing, and the Creek dont rise.

@TmCT1mco21 10 ай бұрын

Mvskoke victory native pride

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

After attacks on the people..over and over..what do you think would happen?

@Quincy_Morris 5 ай бұрын

Exactly. After centuries of Indian raids like this it’s hard to see how America could do anything other than conquer the Indians. But conquering a nation and then giving them land so their nation could continue is quite the merciful act given the risk and history of murder, slavery, rape and theft.

@creaturecaldwell9858 5 ай бұрын

@Quincy_Morris . Yeah..the tribes were raided,murdered,raped. All that

@creaturecaldwell9858 5 ай бұрын

@Quincy_Morris . Giving them land ? You mean those barren wastelands out in the middle if nowhere?

@creaturecaldwell9858 5 ай бұрын

@Quincy_Morris . What land are you referring to.. Oklahoma? Didn't the Sooners take it after it was " given " to the tribes there ?

@creaturecaldwell9858 3 ай бұрын

Centuries of Indian raids.. Yeah, sure..don't you mean centuries of squatters attacking tribes after tribe ? Sounds familiar, don't it ?

@andreweden9405 10 ай бұрын

I'm actually not surprised at all that the little dog left the members of the Creek tribe. American Indians were notoriously mean and calloused towards their animals! Dogs, for example, were almost never thought of as "pets" the way we regard them. The Indians would make those dogs flippin WORK! They had to carry packs on their backs, pull sledges/travois, you name it. And if the poor animal became too sick, injured, or old to work as hard as they used to, the Indians would simply beat it harder, eventually just working them to death. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me one bit that that dog ran away with a different type of people!😃😂

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

You're in a nice fantasy

@Quincy_Morris 5 ай бұрын

@@creaturecaldwell9858which claim is false?

@mikebryant614 4 ай бұрын

Well, you are in for a shock in that little bubble world of yours, because the fact is that lily white europeans dragged some 8 million horses into battle to be blown to bits by artillery or machine guns in WW1 ., and another 3 to 5 million in WW2.So yeah , that sort of makes an " indian beating a dog with a stick" look pretty tame in comparison.

@pamelamehl5668 4 ай бұрын

@@mikebryant614moral equivalence arguments can go on and on: what about the horses killed by Genghis Khan and sons? Why stop there? What about Scipio’s total destruction of anything alive in resistant Carthage? Oh! How about the animals and people destroyed in the Fall of Babylonia!!!???

@lisalee3067 4 ай бұрын

Wow what a life.

@HarupertBeagleton-dz5gw 10 ай бұрын

The dog wanted away from the Indians asap too. Saw his way out and took it.

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

We made friends with the dogs that were used to track us..then they protected us from any military or militias..we didn't teach them ..or have them chase the invaders..they just protected naturally

@Thomas-uv3tk Ай бұрын

I have finally found out who J Frank Dalton, the real Jesse Woodson James, was. He was the son of Thomas James, the survivor.

@user-lb3nw1pg9o 6 ай бұрын

Was watching a vid on the sand Creek massacre, although very tragic, they went way overboard looking for sympathy and I noticed they had their comments off , they don't want to know the truth I guess...

@James-ke5sy 10 ай бұрын

I wonder if the creeks ever learn the great heritage of their nation when they massacred defenseless women and children. Well one good thing came of it as there was a follow-up known as the Battle of Horseshoe Bend where a little justice was dealt to these brazen evil thugs. Thank you Andrew Jackson, you're my hero.

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

You probably wonder about much.

@James-ke5sy 10 ай бұрын

You probably like to go soak your head.

@dominicd7610 9 ай бұрын

Do you not think the Creeks women and children hadn’t been being murdered by the invaders?

@James-ke5sy 9 ай бұрын

Do you not think your question is full of innuendo and stupidity?

@123Goldhunter11 9 ай бұрын

Homo sapiens have been slaughtering each other for thousands of years. Pull up some of the Mongol invasions. It's amazing what men can do in a mob. Even now we are funding and arming serious Nazis in Ukraine. Half the US supports it.

@johnwingate8799 3 ай бұрын

There were other massacres in1700s with less people involved.

@bethparker1500 9 ай бұрын

Amazing how many mixed people were there, could the males vote?

@jameswells554 8 ай бұрын

Ahhh 9th Grade Alabama History.

@raybenoit5238 10 ай бұрын

What was the reason for the massacre ? And was their revenge of the massacre ?

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

You know why

@raybenoit5238 10 ай бұрын

@@creaturecaldwell9858 if I knew , why would I ask ?

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

@raybenoit5238 . You have two basic ways ..either because they were just simply savage mindless killers..or they decided to do what had been done to them by the ones in question..which one would you think makes more common sense than the other? What would you do if others showed up where you live and told you to leave then shoot at you after you've told them that you ain't leaving your home ?

@raybenoit5238 10 ай бұрын

@@creaturecaldwell9858 I was hoping to not receive a Shallow answer from a shallow mind .

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

@raybenoit5238 . Are you saying you don't know this story ? Research the Creek Indian wars and put two and two together..better yet..Research any war against any tribe and you will get the same answer. By the way..there is no one reason for what any did..they were screwed in the head from invaders who made it law to take from them..take the land..take thier lives..after so long it would seem that maybe the better thing to do besides telling them no and being forced or attacked ..would be to take the fight to them..I don't know all of the why..my relatives are close the the Creek..we ran away and when eminent domain followed we fought more..ran more..and hid more until only few of us were left as well as manifest destiny rolled it's way past us into other wars with other tribes..and the civil..go research

@TRHARTAmericanArtist 10 ай бұрын

This is why I will never celebrate indigenous people day. I will celebrate Columbus Day for the man who was responsible for bringing my ancestors out of certain poverty and death. The indigenous people were not welcoming. They were intent on killing my ancestors. When I learned more about history, I threw away all of the BS taught in school about the "noble savages". They were cruel, sadistic and were not conservators of the environment, but mostly hunter/gatherers intent on taking from those tribes who were peaceful and eking out an existence through cultivation. It is the Europeans, mostly Germans, who were responsible for bringing their knowledge of farming that gave this country the wealth we now enjoy.

@mcmd2009 10 ай бұрын

I will always celebrate Columbus Day also!

@TRHARTAmericanArtist 10 ай бұрын

Thank you!@@mcmd2009

@smartacus88 10 ай бұрын

The real truth.

@theflamingone8729 9 ай бұрын

"...mostly Germans...." Have you read Thomas Sowell's "Race and Culture", "Conquest and Culture", " Migrations and Culture" books?

@TRHARTAmericanArtist 9 ай бұрын

@@theflamingone8729 I taught Science. The Germans were integral in developing the agricultural system that we are privileged to enjoy. I like Sowell though.

@wprandall2452 5 ай бұрын

We came over here to live peacefully. Then we found out what the Indians really were.

@gregorymerritt2528 4 ай бұрын

Lol you were stealing their land

@wprandall2452 4 ай бұрын

God owns the land. Do you really think a bunch of ignorant savages who could not progress one bit should have kept the land?

@pamelamehl5668 4 ай бұрын

@@gregorymerritt2528Like the Comanches stole Apache land and brutally genocided any other tribe???

@gregorymerritt2528 4 ай бұрын

@@pamelamehl5668 that's why there were indian wars

@pamelamehl5668 4 ай бұрын

@@gregorymerritt2528 sorry but your non sequitor response does not address your original misstatement which my comment was addressing. Your deflection is lame.

@afellowamericanafellowamer5317 4 ай бұрын

This was a horrible event, but maybe the indians had a crystal ball and saw 2024 America, in which case it's understandable why the Indians would do this

@MikeAnderson2858 10 ай бұрын

If you didn't keep money in the bank them the criminal wouldn't rob it. Therefore, the criminal is blameless

@dawnemile7499 9 ай бұрын

Weren’t those chem trails in the sky that I see in one of the videos?

@user-wi9rf1zx5b 10 ай бұрын

the massacre is what the americans did to the indians

@James-ke5sy 10 ай бұрын

Go to you know where.

@tincup3773 9 ай бұрын

The creek indians have a casino in Bethlehem PA called Wind Creek.

@justin6354 28 күн бұрын

Porch Creek here in Alabama have a casino by the same name. Atmore Alabama to be exact. They have a rez here too. Good people for sure

@smartacus88 10 ай бұрын

Karma is a real and universal law. Remember that when you consider the current state of "Native Americans"

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

Don't tou mean " states "? Cause..we have what the boat people brought with them..the good and the bad..ugly..we are mentally ill like the rest

@hurdygurdyman1905 9 ай бұрын

If so, then maybe their current state is a result of actions like this.

@BillyBob-wq9fl 4 ай бұрын

They had chemtrails back then? Dang..

@john-wu2zb 9 ай бұрын

The delivery is painful

@telemachus7732 9 ай бұрын

Lahaina massacre comes close or passes those numbers.

@sjb3460 5 ай бұрын

NEVER FORGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE BLUE WALL OF SILENCE PROTECTS THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN BLUE!!!! Nobody yet can tell who was in charge that day. Who gave the orders to block the escape route?

@fortunatusnine2012 10 ай бұрын

🤔👍👍

@jerryreed9446 9 ай бұрын

Many right out massacres onto the settlers unprovoked .

@lylelookingbill6606 4 ай бұрын

Unprovoked? Really? The Natives were fighting a war for their very survival. You do not win wars by making friends, you win wars by destroying your enemies will to wage war. in order to win the war you must reduce yourself to a level of depravity worse than that of your enemy. you must kill more of them then they do of you, you must rape more of their women than they do of yours. you must burn more of their homes than they can of yours. the Europeans were stealing the natives lands, they were destroying the natives way of life, they were killing the natives by the thousands. Under the rule of King George the colonists were kept east of the "Indian Line" is it any wonder that the eastern woodlands tribes fought for King George during the revolutionary war, and that the Mvskoke (Creeks) fought for him in the war of 1812? The USA exists as an act of fraud against the Natives, 368 treaties made between the natives and the usa, all 368 were broken by the government. 4&1/2 million Natives in North America when Europeans first appeared on the shores of Turtle Island, less than a quarter of a million left in1901. Manifest destiny? The proper terms would be, genocide and cultural eradication.

@righteousbyfaithinChrist 9 ай бұрын

Well, considering what many settlers did to the Creek? Why is it anyone should take pride in that...

@fakefriendocrat9324 9 ай бұрын

Wow too bad! Europe must have been awful.

@slappy8941 9 ай бұрын

It's almost like our ancestors had a good idea of what they were doing.

@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244 9 ай бұрын

@Brad-fm2uo 9 ай бұрын

There's good reason why they were called saveges

@sicsempertyrannis4104 10 ай бұрын

God willing the “Creeks don’t Rise”😅

@george5590 5 ай бұрын

so, the British gave the Indians guns.

@lylelookingbill6606 4 ай бұрын

Yes we were fighting on the side of King George. As to the ''Atrocities" committed by the Mvskoke (Creeks) The Creeks were fighting a war for their very survival. You do not win wars by making friends, you win wars by destroying your enemies will to wage war. in order to win the war you must reduce yourself to a level of depravity worse than that of your enemy. you must kill more of them then they do of you, you must rape more of their women than they do of yours. you must burn more of their homes than they can of yours. the Europeans were stealing the natives lands, they were destroying the natives way of life, they were killing the natives by the thousands. Under the rule of King George the colonists were kept east of the "Indian Line" is it any wonder that the eastern woodlands tribes fought for King George during the revolutionary war, and that the Mvskoke (Creeks) fought for him in the war of 1812? The USA exists as an act of fraud against the Natives, 368 treaties made between the natives and the usa, all 368 were broken by the government. 4&1/2 million Natives in North America when Europeans first appeared on the shores of Turtle Island, less than a quarter of a million left in1901. Manifest destiny? The proper terms would be, genocide and cultural eradication.

@OttoCharles49 9 ай бұрын

Muscogees like to complain about removal to Oklahoma. They aren’t quite as kind and gentle as they claim.

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

I suppose all the attacks on Creek homes by Voluteers and militias made an example.

@robertbertagna1672 10 ай бұрын

the history channel has lost it,s main purpose to to bad.

@steventhorson4487 4 ай бұрын

We will defend our white families!!

@creaturecaldwell9858 3 ай бұрын

Who would have thought that? I figured there would be no defending of family..not white or any other..

@fredziffel3443 9 ай бұрын

"According to Wikipedia" ? Seriously? No wonder it's titled as "unworthy history". You had me for 33 minutes, only to discredit all. No thanks.

@lylelookingbill6606 6 ай бұрын

It is apparent that you are of European descent, because in your 'story telling' you never once state that these poor white settlers were/had encroached upon lands that were clearly "Indian Land." They were not settlers they were trespassers. The whites were never victims of Indians, the Indians were the victims of white incursion. Your bias is typical of most "White History."

@noah2633 6 ай бұрын

Atrocities were committed by both sides. It's an insult to the Red Indians to reduce them to "poor victims!"

@lylelookingbill6606 6 ай бұрын

@@noah2633 .. creeks or Muskogee as we refer to ourselves were pushed out of Alabama and Georgia by white colonizers. Forced to walk 3500 miles to the West to what is now Eastern Oklahoma, we were told that this land would be ours for time and all eternity. Yet this was just another lie told to us by the white government. If you are living in America and you are not of indigenous decent, you are a trasspasser and a thief.

@ittybittykittymama7582 5 ай бұрын

As the daughter of long time white Alabama inhabitants, as well as also carrying the blood of Creek, Choctaw, Cherokee and Seminole people in my body, I knew of Ft. Mims from both perspectives. I have always found it very difficult to choose sides, as both are right and both are often horribly in error.

@lylelookingbill6606 4 ай бұрын

@@ittybittykittymama7582 I don't find it difficult at all. The Natives were fighting a war for their very survival. You do not win wars by making friends, you win wars by destroying your enemies will to wage war. in order to win the war you must reduce yourself to a level of depravity worse than that of your enemy. you must kill more of them then they do of you, you must rape more of their women than they do of yours. you must burn more of their homes than they can of yours. the Europeans were stealing the natives lands, they were destroying the natives way of life, they were killing the natives by the thousands. Under the rule of King George the colonists were kept east of the "Indian Line" is it any wonder that the eastern woodlands tribes fought for King George during the revolutionary war, and that the Mvskoke (Creeks) fought for him in the war of 1812? The USA exists as an act of fraud against the Natives, 368 treaties made between the natives and the usa, all 368 were broken by the government. 4&1/2 million Natives in North America when Europeans first appeared on the shores of Turtle Island, less than a quarter of a million left in1901. Manifest destiny? The proper terms would be, genocide and cultural eradication.

@lylelookingbill6606 4 ай бұрын

@@ittybittykittymama7582 As the child and grand child of Mvskoke Red Sticks, as well as the child and grand child of a first generation European Immigrants (both my mother and grandmother were the first of their family to be born in the USA) I have no difficulty choosing sides. The red stick blood runs strong in my veins. The Creeks were at war, a war for their very lives as well as their way of life. You win wars by destroying your enemies will to wage war, you win by killing more of them than they can of you, you win by being more cruel, more destructive, & yes more atrocious than your enemies. You must be meaner than the evil that you face; you must kill them, you must rape their women, you must enslave their children, You must make them fear your very existence. This was a war, and in war terrible thing happen. The european invaders were the initial provocateur's in this war. How then can the Natives be vilified for waging unrestrained warfare against their enemies? 368 treaties were entered into by the US and Native Tribal Nations, How many of them were broken by the government? All of them, most before the ink was even dry on the paper. It is estimated that there were just over 5 &1/2 million indigenous people living in what would be the U.S. in 1607 at the establishment of Jamestown Va. and only 258,000 left alive in the year 1901. You might say it was "Manifest Destiny" I say it was Murder, I say it was Gynecide, I say it was Cultural Eradication. Anyone living in the US that is not of Native Blood lives on stolen land and the blood of thousands of Natives cries out for vengeance.

@leegundlach391 4 ай бұрын

My mother's grandmother would tell her these lessons such saddness.indians had black white Asians as slaves.😢

@yankypapa4560 5 ай бұрын

I am Creek.Muskgokee. I have another version.im only 4 people (ancestors) from that Creek Victory.

@Quincy_Morris 5 ай бұрын

Don’t feel bad. You aren’t responsible for the actions of your ancestors. Only your own. And if stories like this irk you then just imagine how “white” people feel when all they learn about in school are the atrocities of their ancestors. History is primarily there to teach us, not to make people feel guilty for things they didn’t do.

@NoahBodze 10 ай бұрын

I bet this is what living in South Africa for the Boer or living in the Steppe was like. Just a constant barrage of savages who know nothing about civilization.

@imout671 10 ай бұрын

You also have to see what a civil war this was. All cultures lived in the area for a generation and intermarriage was plentiful. So you had runaway slaves mixed with natives and Europeans who took native wives and intertibal divisions and fights. There were probably a lot of mini family wars and fights and heart break

@SSHitMan 10 ай бұрын

The eastern woodland tribes were not nomads though, they lived in villages and farmed so not quite the same.

@creaturecaldwell9858 10 ай бұрын

Another with it's " they were savages.. no civilization " performance..what else tou got sir ?

@jcsinca3387 9 ай бұрын

Apparently, God sided with the Natives in this case and also with the Mexicans at the Alamo. In both cases Americans people stole the lands of the native people and the natives fought back and slaughtered the Americans. What this story really shows is that when you torture, murder and rob native people on and of their own land, eventually they will slaughter YOU. And in both cases, all of the poor American "victims" had no problem inflicting atrocities and genocide on the natives FIRST. Yeah, they will never admit that fact though. These facts I just stated are not a "a particular narrative", they are simply the truth. You reap what you sow.

@richardstephens5570 6 ай бұрын

"You reap what you sow". Apparently, God didn't side with the natives and the Mexicans because they lost in the end. Or did God change sides?